Ibogaine List Archives - 2005-10

From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Alka Selter Gold
Date: October 31, 2005 at 7:54:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Went looking for it at Wal-Mart last night and could not find it. Went to
the Alka-Seltzer website and it says:

” If you have a sensitive stomach, you may want to try Alka- Seltzer Gold.”

I’ll try Walgreens next 🙂

Brenda

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] TINKERBELL SENDS MASSIVE HUGS
Date: October 31, 2005 at 7:22:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Was wondering about her. Glad she’s doing well. Can’t wait to hear from her again! I’m off to have some trick or treating fun. Hope you all have a great night!

On 10/31/05 3:22 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Hi all!!!
Well, got sick of not hearing from the Tinkerbell, and was worried so I luckily had her dad’s aol name and got a phone number… soooo just had an excellent chat with her and she is DOING GREAT! Just at war with her dad so she doesn’t go to use the computer there lol oh well.
Yeh so she’s working really hard and doing great, still clean n all dat.
She is hoping to be back online NEXT WEEK so yehhhhhhhhhh will be so cool to have our little TINKERBELL from HELL back with us!!!!!
She sends big massive hugs and kisses and is sending loads of light and love to you all :o) And misses ya’s all, for some strange reason….. lol

Luff lite n lafta
Kirky xxxx

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] TINKERBELL SENDS MASSIVE HUGS
Date: October 31, 2005 at 6:22:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Luff lite n lafta
Kirky xxxx

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 31, 2005 at 5:04:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I often wonder what the pot would look like if I planted and tried to grow the seeds I’ve found over the years in some pretty decent pot, and in some not so decent too. I’ve been thinking that perhaps, if I were to take extra time and loving care with the plants as though they were my children, which basically they would be were I not too paranoid to actually grow any plants here at home and don’t travel too well so don’t have anywhere outside of my home where I grow either (in case you’re listening feds- I don’t grow pot, anywhere), would I be able to actually grow decent herb? Or would it automatically sprout as generally yucky herb?
Just curious- I’m not planning on growing herb any time in the near or even fairly far future, at least at this point in time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested

God I love the South. I wonder if the cops have any good clones that will “disappear” from the evidence room, we sure can’t get any good seeds anymore. Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] •Happy Halloween!!!•
Date: October 31, 2005 at 12:54:04 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey guys,

Just wanted to wish everyone a safe & happy Halloween! Hope you all have fun! I love Halloween! I can’t wait to get into my costume and go out. If I get any great pictures I’ll share them here later. If any of you are getting dressed up and going out, then I hope to see you guys too!

Beatrice

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] The Gabon Connection to CIA leak
Date: October 31, 2005 at 12:02:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Why did I just notice that the Valerie Plame leak scandal involves a former ambassador to Gabon???

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 31, 2005 at 12:02:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirky rushes out to work so she can buy P’s book…………..
Lol
GOOD shit mate!!!
K

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 4:45 a.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine

(This is being dropped into the DrugWar.com list mainly because one- it’s
about drugs, so it’s on topic regardless of having not been previously
discussed on DrugWar.com’s email list, and two, because of the second half
of my note here.)

Personally, I found that simple over the counter, chewable orange-flavored
Dramamine was best of anything I tried for my five different occassions to
keep myself from puking from motion sickness.
But that might not be best for someone else, only throwing it out there so
you know there are other options too.
😉
BTW, I got the first copy of my new book on Friday (which I think I’ve
already mentioned) and have to once again note how ecstatic I am at how
fancy dancy it turned out looking, how chock full of really cool articles,
from the ultra-loopy to the ultra-academic, most everyone controversial in
some way or another (and DrugWar.com’s subscribers Sharon Secor and Robert
Merkin both have articles in this anthology I’m happy to say, both of the
articles only making the book that much better, more complete, by their
inclusion.)

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine

Dr. Tom,

Would you happen to be in the Bay Area?

brenda

On 10/30/05 8:21 PM, “tomo7@starband.net” <tomo7@starband.net> wrote:

Re: Homeopathics vs. nausea:

For easing the nausea and queasy stomach side of your Ibogaine travel,
homeopathic Nux Vomica is great at a 12C or 30C, dosing as needed with
intervals of an hour or two. Another great one for anti-nausea and
vomiting is Ipecacuana 6C or 12C. For people working through a lot of
fear and dread before or during “travel”, consider low dose Arsenicum
Album at 12C or 30C.

These homeopathic remedies are very effective and yet safe tools to help
with those problems. They seem to work well with some people and little
or not at all for others. Humans are wierd, and everywhere else in the
galaxy, we know it.

Also, the ginger capsules don’t need to have added sugar to really help
with settling the stomach before and during “liftoff”. A straight
capsule of powdered Jamaican Ginger is wonderful for the jittery stomach
during phase one. Many of us are touchy with sugar effects anyway, so
adding that variable to the oncoming kalidoscope isn’t always so
helpful.

Dr. Tom

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 31, 2005 at 10:44:58 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

(This is being dropped into the DrugWar.com list mainly because one- it’s about drugs, so it’s on topic regardless of having not been previously discussed on DrugWar.com’s email list, and two, because of the second half of my note here.)

Personally, I found that simple over the counter, chewable orange-flavored Dramamine was best of anything I tried for my five different occassions to keep myself from puking from motion sickness.
But that might not be best for someone else, only throwing it out there so you know there are other options too.
😉
BTW, I got the first copy of my new book on Friday (which I think I’ve already mentioned) and have to once again note how ecstatic I am at how fancy dancy it turned out looking, how chock full of really cool articles, from the ultra-loopy to the ultra-academic, most everyone controversial in some way or another (and DrugWar.com’s subscribers Sharon Secor and Robert Merkin both have articles in this anthology I’m happy to say, both of the articles only making the book that much better, more complete, by their inclusion.)

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine

Dr. Tom,

Would you happen to be in the Bay Area?

brenda

On 10/30/05 8:21 PM, “tomo7@starband.net” <tomo7@starband.net> wrote:

Re: Homeopathics vs. nausea:

Dr. Tom

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] the addiction
Date: October 31, 2005 at 10:30:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, what makes it hard to watch?

Mark

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] the addiction
Date: October 30, 2005 at 10:52:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

“We gain our habit trying to escape our existance, until our habit becomes our existance,” or words to this effect.
I’m watching “The Addiction.” What a brilliant freakin’ movie, but hard to watch when out of drugs.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 31, 2005 at 10:21:15 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr. Tom,

Would you happen to be in the Bay Area?

brenda

On 10/30/05 8:21 PM, “tomo7@starband.net” <tomo7@starband.net> wrote:

Re: Homeopathics vs. nausea:

Dr. Tom

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] the addiction
Date: October 31, 2005 at 9:27:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/closetohome/html/show5.html

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/closetohome/html/movie2.html

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

“We gain our habit trying to escape our existance,
until our habit becomes our existance,” or words to
this effect.
I’m watching “The Addiction.” What a brilliant
freakin’ movie, but hard to watch when out of drugs.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

Best regards,
Carol

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From: <tomo7@starband.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 30, 2005 at 11:21:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>, <beatriceblue@cox.net>, <HSLotsof@aol.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Re: Homeopathics vs. nausea:

Dr. Tom

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] the addiction
Date: October 30, 2005 at 10:52:35 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My Experiences
Date: October 30, 2005 at 10:50:39 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would love to hear.
Not sure if I said lately that I kicked a 263mg/day methadone addiction with Iboga/ine couple of years ago. I have been blessed to be at the right place at the right time at a very crossroads type moment in my life. I was fine and ok with being on methadone the rest of my life. I was productive, great realationship etc. I still fully support methadone treatment as an option, but getting the prescribed medication if arrested is the problem. Got popped with a poss Under 2 oz. charge for ONE joint. That is what started this great big distraction that is called kicking 263mg. I can honestly say Iboga/ine helps allot. But it wasn’t untill a year that I started physically not feeling that cold-burn (although subtle still there, I am happy to say that is completely gone now i.e. I don’t feel the opiate sickness anymore ’cause my recepters have finally adapted back to normal levels. Iboga/ine’s biggest advantage is it seems to readjust perspective, and etc…

I do know what you mean as not wanting to taint others experience and I hope I haven’t done that with writing the above stuff. Because I’m not the shining textbook example of how all this recovery stuff is suppossed to be.

It’s a process.

Look forward to reading any insite anyone can share.

cheers,
Jason

Hey guys,

Quite a few people have asked me about my experiences. So I thought Id finally write it all out and post it, if you guys want me too. They are really a long story. The first person who asked me asked about my first experience in particular. I started to write it out for her, but then felt like it wasnt really what she needed. Hearing all the craziness and failure surrounding my first experience, because I dont really consider my first time my first time. When/If I write about it youll understand what I mean. Didnt really want to effect others by telling my full experiences, thought Id rather just give highlights, advice and pointers so as not to interfere with something that is a personal journey. If some of you would really like to know, tell me and Ill post about it here. Then I guess you can make the choice to either read it or not. But it will definitely take me a few days to write it all out. Crazy, amazing stories each time. Anything anyone wants to know specifically?

Love ya all…
Beatrice

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] My Experiences
Date: October 30, 2005 at 10:18:42 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey guys,

Quite a few people have asked me about my experiences. So I thought I’d finally write it all out and post it, if you guys want me too. They are really a long story. The first person who asked me asked about my first experience in particular. I started to write it out for her, but then felt like it wasn’t really what she needed. Hearing all the craziness and failure surrounding my first experience, because I don’t really consider my first time my first time. When/If I write about it you’ll understand what I mean. Didn’t really want to effect others by telling my full experiences, thought I’d rather just give highlights, advice and pointers so as not to interfere with something that is a personal journey. If some of you would really like to know, tell me and I’ll post about it here. Then I guess you can make the choice to either read it or not. But it will definitely take me a few days to write it all out. Crazy, amazing stories each time. Anything anyone wants to know specifically?

Love ya all…
Beatrice

From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [DrugWar] US: On Docket: Religious Freedom vs. Drug Laws
Date: October 30, 2005 at 9:44:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Richard Lake <rlake@mapinc.org> wrote:
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:20:28 -0500
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, DPFT-L@listserv.tamu.edu
From: Richard Lake <rlake@mapinc.org>
Subject: [DrugWar] US: On Docket: Religious Freedom vs. Drug Laws

Newshawk: JimmyG
Pubdate: Mon, 31 Oct 2005
Source: Christian Science Monitor (US)
Copyright: 2005 The Christian Science Publishing Society
Contact: http://www.csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/encryptmail.pl?ID=CFF0C5E4
Website: http://www.csmonitor.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/83
Author: Warren Richey, The Christian Science Monitor
Related: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/04-1084.html
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topics/hoasca

ON DOCKET: RELIGIOUS FREEDOM VS. DRUG LAWS

The Supreme Court Takes Up a Case Involving a New Mexico Sect That
Could Be Important for Other Minority Religions.

WASHINGTON – In a case with potential important significance for
minority religious groups in America, the US Supreme Court this week
takes up a clash between the nation’s drug laws and a statute
protecting religious liberty.

At issue in the case set for oral argument Tuesday is the scope of
the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). The law requires
the federal government to justify any measure that substantially
burdens a person’s ability to practice his or her religion.

But what happens when a religious ceremony requires consumption of a
drug outlawed under the Controlled Substances Act? That is the
essence of the dispute in a case called (UDV).

Although the case involves the use of drugs, how the high court
resolves the matter could have an impact on a wide array of religious
groups in the United States that depend on a robust defense of
religious liberty to practice their faith free of government
interference. If the nation’s drug laws are found to trump religious
protections, other laws might also be applied in ways that
substantially erode religious freedom, legal analysts say.

On the other hand, if religion may be invoked to easily bypass the
nation’s criminal laws, that could greatly complicate and undermine
federal law-enforcement efforts, analysts say.

The case involves a religious sect of 130 members based in New
Mexico. The group, adherents of the Brazil-based religion UDV,
believes the use of sacramental tea in its ceremonies helps them
connect with God. Consumption of the tea is the central ritual act of
their faith. Some analysts liken it to the consecration of wine at a
Roman Catholic mass or serving unleavened bread at a Passover Seder.

The problem is that the tea, made from two sacred plants found in the
Amazon region of Brazil, contains a hallucinogenic substance banned in the US.

When US narcotics agents discovered this, they confiscated the
group’s supply of the sacramental tea as an illegal drug and barred
them from importing any more from Brazil. The group sued, claiming
the government was infringing on their religious rights by blocking a
fundamental aspect of their religious worship and threatening to
prosecute them should they continue to use the sacramental tea.

A federal judge and federal appeals court agreed with the group and
issued a preliminary injunction against the government. The court
ordered the government to accommodate the UDV members by allowing
them a religious exemption from the drug laws. The courts ruled that
such actions were necessary under RFRA.

Government’s Case

In appealing to the Supreme Court, the Bush administration argues
that the government has a compelling interest in the uniform
enforcement of the nation’s drug laws.

Congress determined that a categorical ban on this hallucinogenic
substance was required to help protect the health and safety of
Americans, including the followers of UDV, from detrimental effects,
government lawyers say. “Religious motivation does not change the
science,” writes Solicitor General Paul Clement in his brief to the court.

The government also argues that a categorical ban is needed to
prevent diversion of the drug into America’s illicit recreational
drug market. And it is necessary to comply with international
treaties banning all trafficking in narcotics and psychotropic substances.

Lawyers for the religious group counter that Congress passed RFRA
after it passed the Controlled Substances Act and that since RFRA
applies to all federal law, it requires the government to make
religious accommodations even from criminal drug laws when individual
accommodations are deemed appropriate after a careful case-by-case review.

For example, Congress has created an exemption for the religious use
of peyote by native Americans, they say.

“The government’s successful accommodation of the sacramental use of
peyote, also a [banned] Schedule I substance, belies its claim that
such substances require a categorical ban, even for religious use,”
Nancy Hollander, an Albuquerque lawyer representing the UDV, writes
in her brief.

Ms. Hollander accuses the government of playing fast and loose with
the facts in claiming there are adverse health effects to the group’s
use of sacramental tea. She says the only study of sacramental tea
use “found no significant health concerns.”

On the potential for diversion for recreational drug use, she says
use of the tea is tightly controlled during ceremonies, and
consumption of the tea outside such ceremonies is considered
sacrilegious. Hollander adds that there hasn’t been a US conviction
for attempting to traffic the hallucinogenic substance contained in
the tea in 27 years.

She says the government’s argument concerning international treaties
is also flawed. The treaty doesn’t apply to sacramental tea, she
says, and other treaties signed by the US require signatory
governments to respect and accommodate religious practices.

Other Groups Weighing In

Although the New Mexico sect has only 130 members, the case has
attracted the attention of a large cross section of religious groups
expressing concern about the case. They include the Baptist Joint
Committee, the National Association of Evangelicals, Agudath Israel
of America, the Minaret of Freedom Institute, the Sikh Coalition, and
The First Church of Christ, Scientist, in Boston, which publishes
this newspaper.

In an appendix to a friend-of-the-court brief supporting the UDV, the
Christian Science Church said in part: “Although The First Church of
Christ, Scientist, supports the legal arguments made in this brief,
neither the church nor the theology of Christian Science supports the
use of drugs or any other material substances as an aid or pathway to
spirituality or a greater understanding of God.”

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unevolved
Date: October 30, 2005 at 8:06:25 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow! I also follow her and her teachings, but no one ever knows whom I’m speaking of. I’m so sad I will not be able to see her and contribute this year!

On 10/30/05 2:03 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi ron…

Hope you are having a good weekend. I am stressing about a project that I have long been procrastinating on, and now this week the push comes to shove. I feel almost ready to commit “career suicide” by dropping out of an upcoming national conference, and that is not a fun feeling.

Anyway, I wish you all the best in your healing process. I have really gotten a lot out of Julie Ross’ books on nutraceutical supplements for detox.

We are also looking forward to the upcoming U.S. visit of our teacher, Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, aka “Ammachi” the so-called Hugging Saint, who will be in the SF Bay area from Nov 17-22 and the Detroit over the weekend after Thanksgiving. In the summer tour most of the programs are free, in the fall they are almost half retreats which cost a few hundred bucks or so. And I know you are near neither place. But I thiought I would put the info out there as we can all use the blessings of Saints at certain points in our god-given lives. The Indian website is amritapuri.org <http://amritapuri.org> and the U.S. one is ammachi.org <http://ammachi.org> . See “tours,” or also click on local satsangs to see if there are any devotees near where you live.

Blessings and love,

Rachel

On 10/30/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
PLEASE, NO APOLOGIES, I HAVE A PLETHORA OF CHARACTER DEFECTS THAT I WILL NOT DEFEND AS THEY ARE BASELESS AND IRRATIONAL, I WORK DILIGENTLY ON MAKING THEM GO AWAY, ALBEIT IT NEVER SHOWS. SELF PITY, CENTEREDNESS’ , TWISTED EGO, ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS. YOUR CRITIQUE IS WELL TAKEN AND TRUE….WAIT, SMACKS OF TRANSACTIONAL ANALYSIS’S,
I’M OK, YOU’RE NOT AND SO ON. I’M TRYING. ONE SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE PERSON MAKE. PLEASE BRING IT ON AS I NEED IT. THANKS, KOKO
NOR DOES IT MAKE A WHOLE PERSON WHO WAS 56 YRS. IN THE MAKING WHOLE. i TRY W/ MY PALTRY RESOURCES, BETTER THAN SOME, LESS THAN OTHERS, LOST MY FEELINGS SECOND TIME I DID TIME, BUT THAT’S A DEAD HORSE NOW, MUST MOVE FORWARD. PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL ME, I HAVE TO GET BETTER OR I WILL DIE. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN. RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi <mailto:freedomroot@gmail.com>
To: rwd3@cox.net ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] unevolved

Dear Ron,

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. Nor for that message to go to the wholelist like that. But since it did, I’ll send my apology wholesale as well.

Love,

Rachel

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 7:53:55 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

BTW, what a horrible day for a New Yorker to have a birthday. Wow. Happy late birthday anyway.

On 10/30/05 4:40 PM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Seen them a few times before, but the best was last year out in the middle of a desert for a 2 day open air festival called Coachella. Gang Of Four, NIN (first show again in years), New Order, Prodigy, Bravery, Mercury Rev, Weezer, Coldplay, Amp Fiddler, and about 100 other bands played, but the pinnacle for me was of course Bauhaus. It was late at night, very dark and windy in the middle of nowhere. Peter Murphy opened the show being lowered from the stage’s lighting upside down, very Vampire-like, and stayed hung there like that, singing Bela Lugosi’s Dead upside down for the whole song. Then they did all sorts of early stuff which a lot of the people in the crowd either weren’t as familiar with or were too young for (with me singing along showing my age). I filmed the whole show, it was really great. Even performed a Tones on Tail song. Can’t wait to see them again Tuesday! Have fun on the 11th Preston!

On 10/30/05 2:17 PM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> no Sept. 11 is my birthday- I said it was a “late” birthday present- I got
> the tickets handed me on Sept. 11 for my birthday, but we can’t use them
> until Nov. 11 ’cause that’s when Bauhaus is playing.
> ;-))
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
>
>
>> Your birthday is the 11th of november???
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 4:59 p.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
>> Earth
>>
>> Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
>> seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back
>> on
>> Sept. 11 for the show.
>> We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
>> third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
>> show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
>> That was quite a night.
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: Beatrice Blue
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
>> Earth
>>
>>
>> I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
>> week!!! Very excited!
>>
>> On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I’d like to see them too! I’d also like to see the Survival
>> Research
>> Laboratories. Has anyone heard of them? Know anything about them, know
>> if
>> they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting
>> years!
>>
>> On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the
>> lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we
>> can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots.
>> Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.
>> Randy
>>
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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 7:40:29 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 10/30/05 2:17 PM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kill Me
Date: October 30, 2005 at 6:08:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boy, I can identify with what you just wrote. Time doesn’t heal all wounds. This is even hard to type but…..there are a few occasions that were and still are really painful to me and sometimes they start playing in my head like a movie and it overwhelms me TOTALLY! I have to literally out loud say STOP!! Sometimes that won’t even stop ‘the movie’ from playing in my head. Don’t know if that makes sense to anybody else but I think my using was to drown out all that pain and bullshit that was my doing. I can handle bullshit that other people caused but the shit that was my fault still hurts. I hurt my children so bad. I am so fuckin lucky that we have good relationships now. I know I fucked them up in the head a little though.

Randy, I am so happy for your year clean. I bet it does feel good!! I know I really appreciated the encouragement you gave me right after your Ibo session. I was just too scared to give it a go. I will sometime though.

Good to see your post. You always add substance to the list.
Callie

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] b-days
Date: October 30, 2005 at 5:33:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhh got ya!! Oh. Not a nice reminder huh? My daughter is 11/11 if anyone
is into the numbers thing…. at 12:12 am. I was born 12/12. not at 12:12
am lol. More like dawn. Take that mother!!! Hehheh
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 31 October 2005 11:17 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

no Sept. 11 is my birthday- I said it was a “late” birthday present- I got
the tickets handed me on Sept. 11 for my birthday, but we can’t use them
until Nov. 11 ’cause that’s when Bauhaus is playing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Your birthday is the 11th of november???

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 4:59 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
Earth

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back
on
Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
week!!! Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too! I’d also like to see the Survival
Research
Laboratories. Has anyone heard of them? Know anything about them, know
if
they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting
years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the
lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we
can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots.
Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.
Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 5:17:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

no Sept. 11 is my birthday- I said it was a “late” birthday present- I got the tickets handed me on Sept. 11 for my birthday, but we can’t use them until Nov. 11 ’cause that’s when Bauhaus is playing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Your birthday is the 11th of november???

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back on
Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
week!!! Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too! I’d also like to see the Survival Research
Laboratories. Has anyone heard of them? Know anything about them, know if
they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting
years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 5:15:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I meant, seeing Bauhaus again, not 8-Bit again.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back on Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming week!!! Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too! I’d also like to see the Survival Research Laboratories. Has anyone heard of them? Know anything about them, know if they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things. Randy

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unevolved
Date: October 30, 2005 at 5:03:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi ron…

Anyway, I wish you all the best in your healing process. I have really gotten a lot out of Julie Ross’ books on nutraceutical supplements for detox.

We are also looking forward to the upcoming U.S. visit of our teacher, Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, aka “Ammachi” the so-called Hugging Saint, who will be in the SF Bay area from Nov 17-22 and the Detroit over the weekend after Thanksgiving. In the summer tour most of the programs are free, in the fall they are almost half retreats which cost a few hundred bucks or so. And I know you are near neither place. But I thiought I would put the info out there as we can all use the blessings of Saints at certain points in our god-given lives. The Indian website is amritapuri.org and the U.S. one is ammachi.org. See “tours,” or also click on local satsangs to see if there are any devotees near where you live.

Blessings and love,

Rachel

On 10/30/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
PLEASE, NO APOLOGIES, I HAVE A PLETHORA OF CHARACTER DEFECTS THAT I WILL NOT DEFEND AS THEY ARE BASELESS AND IRRATIONAL, I WORK DILIGENTLY ON MAKING THEM GO AWAY, ALBEIT IT NEVER SHOWS. SELF PITY, CENTEREDNESS’ , TWISTED EGO, ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS. YOUR CRITIQUE IS WELL TAKEN AND TRUE….WAIT, SMACKS OF TRANSACTIONAL ANALYSIS’S,
I’M OK, YOU’RE NOT AND SO ON. I’M TRYING. ONE SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE PERSON MAKE. PLEASE BRING IT ON AS I NEED IT. THANKS, KOKO
NOR DOES IT MAKE A WHOLE PERSON WHO WAS 56 YRS. IN THE MAKING WHOLE. i TRY W/ MY PALTRY RESOURCES, BETTER THAN SOME, LESS THAN OTHERS, LOST MY FEELINGS SECOND TIME I DID TIME, BUT THAT’S A DEAD HORSE NOW, MUST MOVE FORWARD. PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL ME, I HAVE TO GET BETTER OR I WILL DIE. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN. RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: rwd3@cox.net ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] unevolved

Dear Ron,

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. Nor for that message to go to the wholelist like that. But since it did, I’ll send my apology wholesale as well.

Love,

Rachel

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unevolved
Date: October 30, 2005 at 3:34:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PLEASE, NO APOLOGIES, I HAVE A PLETHORA OF CHARACTER DEFECTS THAT I WILL NOT DEFEND AS THEY ARE BASELESS AND IRRATIONAL, I WORK DILIGENTLY ON MAKING THEM GO AWAY, ALBEIT IT NEVER SHOWS. SELF PITY, CENTEREDNESS’ , TWISTED EGO, ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS. YOUR CRITIQUE IS WELL TAKEN AND TRUE….WAIT, SMACKS OF TRANSACTIONAL ANALYSIS’S,
I’M OK, YOU’RE NOT AND SO ON. I’M TRYING. ONE SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE PERSON MAKE. PLEASE BRING IT ON AS I NEED IT. THANKS, KOKO
NOR DOES IT MAKE A WHOLE PERSON WHO WAS 56 YRS. IN THE MAKING WHOLE. i TRY W/ MY PALTRY RESOURCES, BETTER THAN SOME, LESS THAN OTHERS, LOST MY FEELINGS SECOND TIME I DID TIME, BUT THAT’S A DEAD HORSE NOW, MUST MOVE FORWARD. PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL ME, I HAVE TO GET BETTER OR I WILL DIE. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN. RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: rwd3@cox.net ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] unevolved

Dear Ron,

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. Nor for that message to go to the wholelist like that. But since it did, I’ll send my apology wholesale as well.

Love,

Rachel

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My own update!
Date: October 30, 2005 at 3:03:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nice to hear from you although we’ve never been introduced. i remember some of your posts, ron….be well—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] My own update!

Hello everyone!

I haven’t been around for a few months as I’ve been skint and couldn’t afford my internet connection. I was shocked to hear about Sean-I hope he’s at peace wherever he is.

This year’s been hard-bit of an emotional rollercoaster for me but ain’t it always?! I hope you’re all good. I’m ‘clean’!!! [Recoil in shock!!!] Did my rattle over 4 days on Methadone-25ml,20ml,15ml and 10ml. It was hell. That was 16 weeks ago. I have dabbled since a couple of times (the first I forgot how much your tolerance drops n had to be brought round 3 times-everyone beware!) I still think about it n when I’m down its what I think of but hell, no-ones perfect! Preferring my acid n K at moment. I’m on Naltrexone though I have to admit haven’t taken it for a while.

Went travelling round Czech a few weeks ago. Went to CzechTek which is a Tekno festival kinda thing. Several rigs, all legal but ‘they’ sent the riot police in anyway-1000s in shiny new G8 summit gear, tear gas, water cannons, guns, disorientation grenades, even a fucking tank! Against a bunch of hippies. They killed 2 people-ran one over while he slept in his tent and kicked the shit out of another. Madness! Had couple of big demos in Prague. It was great though. Now I just want my license and van and run away!

Oh and I’ve got a puppy-he’s so much fun though he’s destroyed he contents of my flat and is making my other dog’s life a misery!

I’ve put on about a stone since getting off the gear and I really hate that. I do have an amazing social life now though-that was the first thing I discovered. If I sat around bored I just couldn’t stay away from the gear so I went out constantly.

Anyway, I hope everyone’s ok and taking care,

Loads of love Hannah x

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night
Date: October 30, 2005 at 2:25:18 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PRESTON:AT YOUR CONVENIENCE, PLEASE SEND THIS WANNA BE CHARMER A LIST OF YOUR PUBLICATIONS IN PRINT SO I can score and claim credit at next cocktail party for writing them under a pseudonym. Yeah and monkees will fly out my ass before that will happen but it’s a looooooongshot. Thanks, wanna read ’em anyway. Can handle going over the saddle horn but have learned to smile while it’s going down. .. All off list so everyone can’t confirm what they already know about me i.e. how shallow I am.. This is the Bible Belt so it may fly. muchas gracias mi hermano. ron, with thanks. if not up to it , no apology neccesary. you are good for the whole and i appreciate it as i am certain othersdo as well. ron.
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night

Jack Cole, one of the founders of LEAP, submitted an article to my first book, Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, explaining why he and so many other law enforcement officers are against the entire idea of a war on some drugs and users. He came to the book release party, which was interesting, having this former sheriff hanging out where I was most definitely doing a lot of pot smoking and shroom eating.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night

Heard this story hyped a bit on the run-ups to The Situation Room on msnbc, but it got buried by the emerging Cheney scandal and the passing of Civil Rights activisit, Rosa Parks. Don’t know anything about LEAP, but I like that he confesses at the end (Preston!) that “the drug war has failed.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813660/

CARLSON: Welcome back.
While violent crime may be at historic lows in America, the number of arrests for drug abuse violations has more than quadrupled since 1970. Last year, more than a million and a half drug-related arrests were made.
My next guest has a solution: Make drugs legal. And not just pot and cocaine; he wants to legalize meth and heroin, as well.
Norm Stamper is the former police chief in Seattle. He’s written a book about his 34 years on the force, called “Breaking Rank: Top Cop’s Expose of the Dark Side of American Policing.”
He joins us now live from New York.
Mr. Stamper, thanks a lot for coming on.
NORM STAMPER, AUTHOR, “BREAKING RANK”: Thank you. Thank you very much.
CARLSON: Now, here’s the part I don’t get. I am completely for and have been for a long time decriminalizing most drugs, because then you still have legal leverage over people who go over the line, who can’t control themselves right, who abuse drugs, and that isn’t good for society, as you know.
What’s the argument for legalizing drugs?
STAMPER: Well, when you consider that this is a war, declared back during the Nixon administration, that has been prosecuted by seven successive presidents, and those statistics of the type that you just cited continue to roll in predictably year after year after year, I think we need to conclude that the war on drugs has not been successful.
CARLSON: No, it’s not working. But why legalization? Why is that the answer?
STAMPER: That’s, I think, the important question. Legalization would have the effect of regulating drug trafficking. It would take drug trafficking out of the hands of the black market.
It would impose standards. It would—the reason kids, for example, are able to score drugs so easily is because dealers don’t card them.
CARLSON: Right.
STAMPER: If we were to regulate all drugs, take it off the black market, we would then see government licensees who don’t want to lose their licenses, insisting that people be 21 years of age to purchase drugs.
CARLSON: Well, wait a second. I mean, you were a cop for more than 30 years. You know, kids have no problem getting alcohol or getting cigarettes.
STAMPER: They have a…
CARLSON: Isn’t that the problem? I mean, there would be more drugs if they were legal. That’s pretty common sense. I’ve heard libertarians argue the opposite, but that’s garbage, and you know it. There would be more drugs.
STAMPER: No, I’m going to side with the libertarians on that.
CARLSON: How does that work? Once they’re legal, and anyone can get them, there will be fewer drugs?
STAMPER: Twenty years old and up…
CARLSON: Right.
STAMPER: … those individuals can get drugs under the plan that I would propose. The problem today is that kids know that they can score tobacco, they can score a six pack of beer much more—it’s much more difficult to purchase tobacco and alcohol than it is to purchase half a lit of marijuana.
CARLSON: Yes, maybe. Yes, maybe pot. But, I mean, still, the arrival kid, certainly the average middle class kid, literally the average kid in America, is not exposed to heroin. He’s just not. It’s just not everywhere.
I mean, there are pockets of heroin used in the Pacific Northwest and other parts of the country, but the average person doesn’t come across heroin very often. He comes across beer, because it’s in every convenience store.
So you would all of a sudden have heroin in every neighborhood. How could that be good?
STAMPER: I’m not sure that we would have heroin in every neighborhood. What I do know is that taking the drugs off the black market would give government an opportunity to control them and to exercise responsibility over those licensees so that, if there are any fractions, they can be dealt with effectively and aggressively.
CARLSON: But then you have a scenario—I mean, I think you’re partly right. But then you also have a scenario with a moral cost. You have government profiting from the addictions of its citizens. And that’s an ugly place to be, isn’t it?
STAMPER: Well, an even uglier place to be, it seems to me, is to have drug traffickers monopolizing all the funds that are associated with this illicit commodity. The commodity’s not going to go away. It never has. It never will.
So if we want to begin to make sense of the drug scene and government’s response to drugs, it seems to me logical that we would impose these standards and enforce them rigorously.
CARLSON: You’ve gotten—the most controversial line, I thought, in the op-ed that you wrote summarizing your position on this, you used the phrase “responsible drug use.” Few people have the brass, frankly, to come out and say that. I completely agree with you.
There can be responsible drug use. Not everyone becomes a dope fiend after using dope. But there are some drugs like heroin where there aren’t really recreational users of heroin, or not so many. I mean, it’s physically addictive after a while.
So what’s the justification for that, heroin?
STAMPER: Well, so is alcohol to an alcoholic.
CARLSON: Not to that extent.
STAMPER: Alcohol, certainly, causes more problems than all other drugs combined.
CARLSON: Right. But a person who has—who drinks beer on 10 successive nights is not likely to become an alcoholic. The person who shoots heroin 10 successive days will be addicted to heroin.
STAMPER: Well, I don’t think somebody who drinks a lot of beer 10 successive nights has probably got drinking problem.
I belong to an organization called LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. And a growing number of police officers have come to the realization that they’re just shoving against the tide, that this drug war has failed.
If we want to make our communities healthier, if we want to make them safer, and, indeed, if we want to make sure that our children are shielded from drugs, it’s far better to have those drugs peddled, if you will, by government licensed agents as opposed to traffickers on the streets.
CARLSON: All right, Norm Stamper, former chief of police of the city of Seattle. Thanks for joining us tonight.
STAMPER: Thank you.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kill Me
Date: October 30, 2005 at 2:18:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I used to say “kill me” all the time. I know now that I meant it. It was always a joke when I said it but, looking back I know that subconsciously I really meant for somebody to put me outta my misery. It’s been over a year since I did my treatment and I haven’t had this much time clean in a whole lotta years. Time doesn’t heal ALL wounds just some of them. I was just reminded what an asshole I was to my ex wife by my son and I am as hurt right now as I have been since I quit drinking all that cheap ass vodka years ago. That’s what all those dull ass needles and the cheapest vodka I could find was all about. I was punishing myself. Sometimes I still feel like I need to suffer some more. It doesn’t matter how much I try and help people with their pain when it comes to dealing with my own. God knows that I have tried to help, I just haven’t tried to help myself enough. I’m dumping my feelings here because I can’t get to my therapist and besides, I asked Patrick if it was allergist to do that here and he laughed and said, ” There are no rules for the list just try and not be an asshole.” Well, nobody’s perfect. Sometimes I am, sometimes I’m not. Anyway, I’m on my way back to KY to restart my life once again. I have a good job and my ducks are all in a row. I can’t believe that chaos hasn’t ensued in my plans yet. Maybe this time I will succeed in being a normal human being. NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, that aint me. Fuck it, I’ll make noise about Ibogaine, work hard, and do what comes natural for me. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fuckin’ HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, help, I’m a bull dozer operator. “I’m a flea bit painted monkey, all my friends are junkies. That’s not really true.” Yes it is. Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 30, 2005 at 1:16:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

with my track record, none necessry, but thanks for the kind thoughts, i’m dosing
1/2 w/’bad. i hope it lasts to stay afloat for session. providers are GREAT. koko. kind thoughts to all. and thanks for tolerance. P.S. this stuff, either IBO or previous lifestyle left me in shambles, I’m 56 and whew, 3 weeks recovery for this wuss. i d/n factor that in and it was a recipe for failure. Hey, got a great idea, follow doc’s advice next time. Off list me if interested for the gore. Defer for the wise ones and i’ll leave the tude at the door next time. RON , AGAIN

1 i’m in harm’s way
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!

Phew. I would like to apologize to everybody…I probably don’t need to
but getting ready for my journey and then facing a breakup with Scott is a
bit overwhelming. I’m aware that I can focus on joshing around with my
co-workers and serving our customers in and totally awesome way – I do
have to acknowledge what is happening – My heart is breaking.

I had a revolutionary thought today. When he picks me up from work I’m
going to tell him that I will never put him through any more shit ever,
ever again. Wether we stay together or not. He got upset because after I
tried to cold turkey and had an anxiety attack when he saw me drink again
he basically said – oh god, it’s starting again. i think i better leave.

and that breaks my heart. not that he would leave but that i put him
through hell. noone deserves that.

but let’s focus on the positive! my time off got approved! i was going
to call in sick if for some reason it didn’t but I HAVE 3 VACATION DAYS!
then 2 holidays. and 2 weekend days the weekend before and the weekend
after. woo hoo!

brenda 🙂

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 12:04:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Your birthday is the 11th of november???

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back on
Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
week!!! Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too! I’d also like to see the Survival Research
Laboratories. Has anyone heard of them? Know anything about them, know if
they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting
years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 30, 2005 at 12:01:10 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Funny, we do the same thing. Except it’s on the refrigerator. With a list in the center that has all their names, descriptions, likes/dislikes, and habits on it. Plus vet & emergency info of course. We travel a lot, so it’s posted there for the same reason.

On 10/29/05 8:54 PM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

I’ll “find” photos of them all, including Tigo, and post them tomorrow- V has all their photos on the kitchen cupboards for when we have others over to feed them on the rare occasions we’re outta town for the night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–

From: Beatrice Blue <mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net>

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Do you have a picture of Tigo-boo??? It’s funny, Preston, but I was in NYC for awhile last year, and was really homesick for my cats. A certain mutual Greek friend told me about you and your cats, but I ended up at Dana’s for my cat fix. I also almost met you again while our mutual friend was here in San Diego visiting me again this past March. Guess you were supposed to be out here, but weren’t. Gosh, I don’t remember now. Some reason.

On 10/29/05 9:53 AM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> Re: [Ibogaine] post a picI was so distracted by your smile I didn’t even
> notice the humoungeous cat(s) in the photo, particularly the calico,
> “Patch,” apparently a gargantuan cat, bigger even than our own Tigo-boo, who
> weighs in at nearly 20 pounds (one of our 9 cat friends currently sharing
> our home)/
> Thanks for posting such delightful photos.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Beatrice Blue
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
>
>
> LOL The calico is named Patch, but we call her Kitty Cow or Chubby
> Checkers. She’s HUGE! The white one was a stray that we named Papa (he
> came with 4 tiny, baby kittens that he was protecting, we found homes for 2
> of the babies). He had his whole jaw/face broken, so couldn’t close his
> mouth or one eye completely. His name was actually Pachunqui, which may be
> spelt wrong, but is Spanish slang for crooked face. Became shortened to
> just Papa. He was just a REALLY big framed cat. We lost him not that long
> ago to cancer. They are the biggest of the lot. For comparison, I’m 5′ 2″
> (on a good day) and 120 lbs. I, like a lot of you, have a ton of cats. My
> husband and I care for abused and abandoned cats, and work with the Feral
> Cat Coalition and the Shelters. Patch was battered as a kitten. We have 18
> cats (ok guys, I heard the collective gasp). They are all part of the
> family and loved dearly.
>
> On 10/28/05 8:31 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
> And OMG.. how big are those cats????????????? Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a
> special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
> K
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
>
> My turn??? This is me!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
> I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was
> a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on
> her….I am a grandma!
> Callie
>
>
>
> Here is Callie!
>
>
> Charlie and Callie a few years ago!
>
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:59:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back on Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming week!!! Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too! I’d also like to see the Survival Research Laboratories. Has anyone heard of them? Know anything about them, know if they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things. Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:54:53 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

Do you have a picture of Tigo-boo??? It’s funny, Preston, but I was in NYC for awhile last year, and was really homesick for my cats. A certain mutual Greek friend told me about you and your cats, but I ended up at Dana’s for my cat fix. I also almost met you again while our mutual friend was here in San Diego visiting me again this past March. Guess you were supposed to be out here, but weren’t. Gosh, I don’t remember now. Some reason.

On 10/29/05 9:53 AM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Feeling positive?
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:30:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks, Rachel, for the Mac tip. Haven’t checked it all out yet, but I will.
Also, if the Gold works for you, let me know please, Brenda. Then I can pass on the advice to the friend I mentioned before.
-Beatrice

On 10/29/05 8:19 PM, “shakti@photon.net” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Rachel. I got back onto my Abraham-Hicks list where we talk about
> “moving up the emotional scale” and little ways we can find better feeling
> thoughts until we attrtact more and more and then we are feeling better.
>
> Physically, I feel a lot better but still in some pain and having tremors
> way inside. But, I worked an 11 hour day today! I’ve got 45 min to go.
> It has been a great way to get out of the “sick house” and get back into a
> healthy routine.
>
> My BF asked me to remind him that he needs to stop and get some Tylenol on
> the way home – maybe I’ll pick up some Gold 🙂 If I find it when we stop
> I’ll let you know how it did.
>
> kisses,
>
> brenda
>
>
>
>> Brenda…
>> I was thinking of you the other day when I was reading my favorite
>> nutraceutical book by Julie Ross. In her “detox box” she suggested that
>> folks coming off alcohol especially might want to try to de-acidify their
>> bodies by taking some Alka-Seltzer Gold. I dunno why the “gold” brand —
>> maybe to remind you how special and unique and precious you are?
>> NP (now playing) in my brain, Godspell… the ending bit of that
>> song…”day by day by day by day by day…”
>> Take it Cheesey! – rachel
>> p.s. I had to watch the stream on Jeff’s pc – there were instructions on
>> downloading some kind of plug-ins or something for Mac, but I think people
>> who didn’t have like OS 10.3 or higher were screwed.
>>
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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Feeling positive?
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:19:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks, Rachel. I got back onto my Abraham-Hicks list where we talk about
“moving up the emotional scale” and little ways we can find better feeling
thoughts until we attrtact more and more and then we are feeling better.

Physically, I feel a lot better but still in some pain and having tremors
way inside. But, I worked an 11 hour day today! I’ve got 45 min to go.
It has been a great way to get out of the “sick house” and get back into a
healthy routine.

My BF asked me to remind him that he needs to stop and get some Tylenol on
the way home – maybe I’ll pick up some Gold 🙂 If I find it when we stop
I’ll let you know how it did.

kisses,

brenda

Brenda…
I was thinking of you the other day when I was reading my favorite
nutraceutical book by Julie Ross. In her “detox box” she suggested that
folks coming off alcohol especially might want to try to de-acidify their
bodies by taking some Alka-Seltzer Gold. I dunno why the “gold” brand —
maybe to remind you how special and unique and precious you are?
NP (now playing) in my brain, Godspell… the ending bit of that
song…”day by day by day by day by day…”
Take it Cheesey! – rachel
p.s. I had to watch the stream on Jeff’s pc – there were instructions on
downloading some kind of plug-ins or something for Mac, but I think people
who didn’t have like OS 10.3 or higher were screwed.

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Feeling positive?
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:14:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda…

I was thinking of you the other day when I was reading my favorite nutraceutical book by Julie Ross. In her “detox box” she suggested that folks coming off alcohol especially might want to try to de-acidify their bodies by taking some Alka-Seltzer Gold. I dunno why the “gold” brand — maybe to remind you how special and unique and precious you are?

NP (now playing) in my brain, Godspell… the ending bit of that song…”day by day by day by day by day…”

Take it Cheesey! – rachel

p.s. I had to watch the stream on Jeff’s pc – there were instructions on downloading some kind of plug-ins or something for Mac, but I think people who didn’t have like OS 10.3 or higher were screwed.

From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Feeling positive?
Date: October 29, 2005 at 7:22:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

I guess hopeful would be a better word. Trying to focus on everything
working out, my time off work working out, my plane ticket, which I got
and everything else despite a couple of drawbacks that have occured.

But, I would drink over that sort of thing before and now I am saying –
everything’s gonna be all right! I hope. I hope everything works out in
the logistical way my reality is telling me it needs to or I won’t get
there.

OK – everything will work out! And, I guess you could say I’ve found a
weird relationship with this upcoming journey like “a higher power” would
be my looking forward to going to my session. Hopefully, I’ll feel that
way about myself soon. I think it’s OK for right now.

brenda

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:56:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehheh yup just like walking into a doggie doodoo.

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]  Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:55 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

LMMFAO!!! Thanks! I step right into that one, didn’t I? Looks like I will have to dust that ol’ PC off then.   On 10/29/05 2:49 PM, “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net> wrote:
Get a PC?

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:45 PM To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth  Any suggestions for us Mac users then? :-(   On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote: Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.    http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html  Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out. (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!) They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa. (?!)   Enjoy!   On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:  awww.. i’m jealous! i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more than i can spend on a concert right now… ehe    /]=———————————————————————=[\  [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%]  \]=———————————————————————=[/
From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:55:14 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMMFAO!!! Thanks! I step right into that one, didn’t I? Looks like I will have to dust that ol’ PC off then.

On 10/29/05 2:49 PM, “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net> wrote:

Get a PC?

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:54:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You know this is why I LOVE this place! Everybody is just soooo damn helpful!!!!! It’s soooo heart warming to see :o)

From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz]  Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:51 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

ROFLMAO
From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:matt@itsupport.net]  Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:50 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Get a PC?
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:45 PM To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Any suggestions for us Mac users then? :-(   On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.    http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html  Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out. (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!) They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa. (?!)   Enjoy!   On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:
awww.. i’m jealous! i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more than i can spend on a concert right now… ehe    /]=———————————————————————=[\  [%] Ibogaine List Commands: http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/IbogaineList.html [%]  \]=———————————————————————=[/

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:50:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:50:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes. Get rid of the Mac.
heehee
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]  Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:45 a.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:49:53 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:45:17 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Any suggestions for us Mac users then? 🙁

On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:

Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.

http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out. (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!) They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa. (?!)

Enjoy!

On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

awww.. i’m jealous! i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now… ehe

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:36:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.

http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Enjoy!

On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

awww.. i’m jealous! i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now… ehe

From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:47:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Beatrice Blue wrote:
I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming week!!! Very excited!

awww.. i’m jealous! i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more than i can spend on a concert right now… ehe

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:45:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming week!!! Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too! I’d also like to see the Survival Research Laboratories. Has anyone heard of them? Know anything about them, know if they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things. Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:40:50 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, I’d like to see them too! I’d also like to see the Survival Research Laboratories. Has anyone heard of them? Know anything about them, know if they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things. Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:04:38 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Why, thank you very much! LOL

On 10/29/05 9:50 AM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Holy mackeral Beatrice, if I weren’t in a steady relationship, I’d be wracking my brains on how and where and when we could actually meet face to face to discusses dysfunctionality and such.
What a knock out you look in this photos. You are a real beatiful example of what we can be as people if we just allow it/us to be.
Or something like that- what I’m saying is you’re a hottie, in the stricktest of platonic terms of course.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —–

From: Beatrice Blue <mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net>

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:05 PM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
My turn??? This is me!!!!

On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie

Here is Callie!

Charlie and Callie a few years ago!
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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:00:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 10/29/05 9:53 AM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:46:47 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know THAT Greek dude! Tell him I said to slow down for you and I love him! He wanted to know what that stuff was too, tell him for me ok, Randy?

On 10/29/05 6:02 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

Beatrice, thank you for the link. I will look into this stuff for my future Ibo session to quit smoking. Now if I could only find this Greek dude I know and get him to slow down long enough to treat me, (outta the states of course), I will let you know how it worked for me. Randy

From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:27:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ahhaha. one of my roommates played a show with 8-Bit here in b-more. =)

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/entertainment/content.php?bid=792&aid=24
by Preston Peet (Posted at Hightimes.com Oct. 27, 2005)
“Does anyone have a joint?” called out Le-Frost, the one “female” robot of the gangster rap robot foursome, 8-Bit, to the crowded room at CBGB’s gallery downstairs back in July, 2005. This gave my girlfriend, DJ Ness, the excuse to approach them on more than a “gosh golly, I’m such a gushing fan” basis and proceed to light them up with some of the best Strawberry Cough marijuana New York City has to offer. I myself earned a call out from the stage by the rappers one night later at the club Lit in Manhattan’s East Village, for having also smoked out the band, throwing a bit of Afghan hashish into the mix. This group’s members either smoke as much herb as they can, or they support those members who smoke as much herb as they can.
Two months later, more than a thousand bands converged on NYC, Sept. 14-17, for the CMJ Music Marathon (College Media Journal), mainly up and coming bands that are trying to draw attention, make a lot of noise, and get themselves signed. The band that I was most looking forward to seeing and hearing was 8-Bit, performing self-described “old school Nintendo rap.” This band is dangerous, assaulting the senses with graphic lyrics and extremely original beats and mixes, over which the four rap their robot hearts out while simultaneous putting every drug and drink into their bodies as possible.
Their official CMJ appearance was performed at Cake Shop in Manhattan’s Lower East Side, on September 16, filling the room with enthusiastic fans and several record label representatives, among them Epitaph and Geffen Records. Their second, unofficial CMJ gig was booked by DJ Ness at the Slipper Room, for the following night, at 2AM. With slightly goofy but fun choreography, the robots took the stage, periodically making their way into the crowd, rapping lyrics to songs like “Suck Ma Dick,” “Eatin’ Cat,” “I-Deez,” and “Jerry Juice,” among many others, turning the oddest, most mundane topics into instant classics of rap. Spacey-K, Anti-Log, Le-Frost and Robo-T, agreed to an in-depth interview but it turned into me chasing the various members around trying to get answers from extremely fucked up robots now wearing their people suits. They claim that they landed on our planet back in 2002 after their own planet, the Digital Planet, was destroyed in the “Analog Wars,” when Analog took over, and now they make their temporary home in Highland Park, California, the “taco-truck capital of the world.” Le-Frost does their choreography, Spacey-K and Robo-T create the beats, and the raps and rhymes are a collaborative effort.
Among recent accomplishments, 8-Bit recently remixed Beck’s “Hell Yes,” which became an iTune’s Number One download for a short while in early 2005. “The song we did for Beck is ‘Ghettochip Malfunction/Hell Yes’ and it’s going to be the next release for his album,” Anti-Log tells me. “They are shooting the video right now and it will be on MTV, MTV2, and Fuse. It will also be on like every radio station on the planet. In a month, every person who reads this article will know the song but not necessarily know that we did it.” (This is because 8-Bit did not obtain a contract before recording their remix, a remix specifically requested by Beck, and in turn will not get credited for their work on the song.) The rappers were also nominated in the 2005 LA Weekly Music Awards as “Best Hip Hop/Rap Artist” too. Despite these triumphs, the band tells me “we are the same robots we’ve always been and we always will be no matter how famous we eventually become.” They tell me they have no trouble handling “all the groupies,” mainly dealing with them “while we create our music,” which must add something special to the recording sessions. Putting out their music through their own label, Ninjastar Records (ninjastarrecords.com), they’re almost always on the road, claiming they never actually practice, “as we’re always on stage somewhere playing, so we really don’t have to practice, because we are literally always playing.”
Preferring their natural form as robots then to when they must don their people suits, no matter what form they’re taking, the band tells me they are “always” working on a new record, the next one to be titled “Chrome.” And they tell me they “really are as inebriated as we appear,” although Anti-Log did have to ask me what “inebriated” meant, slurring a bit from both alcohol and the invited beating he took from a fan with a beer bottle handed to the fan by Anti-Log himself during the show. “Drugs and blowjobs” are their main focus, after their music of course, and this band can fucking party. Claiming that they are the only rapping gangster robots, they warn me to alert my readers that if they ever see or hear other robots, particularly rapping robots, to be aware that these are only posers, that 8-Bit are the only genuine article, and I’m willing to buy that. Not normally a major rap fan, I’m seriously taken with this band, both with their music and their attitude towards life on this planet. They mix hard-driving, relentlessly powerful beats and rhythms with hilarious lyrics that rip on the absurd and ridiculous around us in modern society.
They tell me that in their opinion, “prohibition of alcohol didn’t work. It created violence and corruption at a staggering scale. Marijuana prohibition doesn’t work either. Just hang out with damn near anyone and they will happily produce a bag. Criminalizing a
harmless drug while backing and marketing pharmaceuticals that harm people more than help them is an oxymoronical joke. The 8-bit robots don’t subscribe to the drug policy of the US because it’s illogical. Robots don’t understand and reject illogical information.”
I myself am an old hand at doing drugs and staying out all night, but even I, a professional, had to really work hard to keep up with these young robots. Since DJ Ness had booked the Slipper Room show, we delighted in taking 8-Bit about the town afterwards, first to our own home, then to another apartment where we could all drink, snort drugs, smoke weed and watch the sun rise from the most beautiful patio imaginable.
After their CMJ adventures, 8-Bit intends to return to take on NYC as soon as possible.
PS: They’ll need a place to stay.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sudden Adult Death syndrome(any similarities to ibogaine deaths?)
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:14:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There has been a few cases where healthy people have just dropped dead
for no apparent reason. I don’t know if you recall the football
player for Cameroon who just dropped dead on the pitch a few years
ago. It’s might be caused by an abnormality in the heart which
appears under physical or emotional stress.

http://www.bhf.org.uk/questions/index.asp?secondlevel=1182&thirdlevel=1421

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:53:17 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Re: [Ibogaine] post a picI was so distracted by your smile I didn’t even notice the humoungeous cat(s) in the photo, particularly the calico, “Patch,” apparently a gargantuan cat, bigger even than our own Tigo-boo, who weighs in at nearly 20 pounds (one of our 9 cat friends currently sharing our home)/
Thanks for posting such delightful photos.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

LOL The calico is named Patch, but we call her Kitty Cow or Chubby Checkers. She’s HUGE! The white one was a stray that we named Papa (he came with 4 tiny, baby kittens that he was protecting, we found homes for 2 of the babies). He had his whole jaw/face broken, so couldn’t close his mouth or one eye completely. His name was actually Pachunqui, which may be spelt wrong, but is Spanish slang for crooked face. Became shortened to just Papa. He was just a REALLY big framed cat. We lost him not that long ago to cancer. They are the biggest of the lot. For comparison, I’m 5′ 2″ (on a good day) and 120 lbs. I, like a lot of you, have a ton of cats. My husband and I care for abused and abandoned cats, and work with the Feral Cat Coalition and the Shelters. Patch was battered as a kitten. We have 18 cats (ok guys, I heard the collective gasp). They are all part of the family and loved dearly.

On 10/28/05 8:31 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

And OMG.. how big are those cats????????????? Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
K

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn??? This is me!!!!

On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie

Here is Callie!

Charlie and Callie a few years ago!

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:50:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Oct. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn??? This is me!!!!

On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie

Here is Callie!

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:02:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/29/2005 4:48:40 AM Central Daylight Time, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:
Isn’t that 3 billion????

duh! yes! Sorry, I can be such a dumb ass at times!

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 29, 2005 at 10:36:09 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi ALL ,I know some providers use powdered ginger in capsules, another that is easily accessible,love shell

Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:
Howard,

Thanks. Had you heard of this before??? All I know is it worked! Id used the benedryl and other options before, but Im quite susceptible to vomiting when I take hallucinogenic. During another, previous session with Ibogaine, my therapist came to where I was doing it, to talk with my provider and see what it was all about while I was under. She came in and saw me while I was having a particularly long, violent vomiting period. She says she felt sorry for me and I remember her stroking my head, saying very motherly, soft things to me. I also remember thinking to myself, Its really ok. I could care less if Im throwing up. But I couldnt express that to her at the time. Later I told her that while that was happening, I was so into my trip that the vomiting really was no big deal at all for me. MUCH different than my experiences with any other substance thats given me that side effect. But, not vomiting at all the last time was nice. Nice for me to not have to deal with it while under, and nice for my provider to not have to clean it up, of course. I highly recommend the Boiron. They sit under your tongue and have a slight sweet taste to them.

Beatrice

On 10/28/05 7:48 PM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Beatrice,

Boiron is a French company producing homeopathic medications. I found an interesting page on nux vomica. I always find the historical pages of interest.

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/strychnos-nux.html

Howard

In a message dated 10/28/05 10:07:02 PM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard. Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess. Im trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military. I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness. When I heard that I thought it was worth a try. The brand name is Boiron (was told its French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica. If you cannot find it in a organic store around you Id be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

If youd like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers. Just dont have time to sit here and do it this second. I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session. Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you dont need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because its so empty. And soooo tiny! Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal! Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

Yahoo! FareChase – Search multiple travel sites in one click.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 29, 2005 at 9:02:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 29, 2005 at 8:20:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

God I love the South. I wonder if the cops have any good clones that will “disappear” from the evidence room, we sure can’t get any good seeds anymore. Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: [DrugWar] Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 8:10:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: drugwar@mindvox.com

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things. Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:48:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Isn’t that 3 billion????

On 10/28/05 10:24 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

This happened Monday here in Nashville. Cops said that Electric Company tipped them off because 2 bedroom home had $500.00 or more electric bill each month for two years.

The plants were beautiful! The house looked like the house I have dreamed of having for years!! He evidently had different rooms for different aged plants. Had plants hanging in kitchen to dry.

Neighbors said they NEVER seen anyone coming or going from home but plants were well taken care of by hydroponic watering system and grow lights on timers.

They recently passed a new law here that you have to pay taxes on illegal drugs you have when you are busted. They are estimating he will pay 3,000,000,000.00

(yes million!!) in taxes!! Poor guy!

Callie

Owner of house arrested on numerous drug charges

Police found 526 marijuana plants and about 5 pounds of marijuana at a house on Cathy Jo Circle in south Nashville yesterday morning, according to court records.

Also found at the house was a set of digital scales, boxes of plastic bags, grow lights, timers, power sources, a surveillance camera and a box of chemicals, according to police warrants. The house contained a felony amount of drugs, according to the warrants.

The house is owned by Jeremy Paul Motz, 30, although he did not live there, and the house contained only drugs — no signs that someone lived there, according to the warrants. Motz faces a number of charges, including manufacturing a controlled substance and possession with intent to sell.

Police also searched Motz’s residence on Aster Drive, about a mile away from the other house. Inside, they found a set of digital scales, three glass pipes, a glass bong and a plate with white residue, according to warrants. Police also said they found a small bag of marijuana.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:24:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This happened Monday here in Nashville. Cops said that Electric Company tipped them off because 2 bedroom home had $500.00 or more electric bill each month for two years.
The plants were beautiful! The house looked like the house I have dreamed of having for years!! He evidently had different rooms for different aged plants. Had plants hanging in kitchen to dry.
Neighbors said they NEVER seen anyone coming or going from home but plants were well taken care of by hydroponic watering system and grow lights on timers.
They recently passed a new law here that you have to pay taxes on illegal drugs you have when you are busted. They are estimating he will pay 3,000,000,000.00
(yes million!!) in taxes!! Poor guy!
Callie

Owner of house arrested on numerous drug charges
Police found 526 marijuana plants and about 5 pounds of marijuana at a house on Cathy Jo Circle in south Nashville yesterday morning, according to court records.
Also found at the house was a set of digital scales, boxes of plastic bags, grow lights, timers, power sources, a surveillance camera and a box of chemicals, according to police warrants. The house contained a felony amount of drugs, according to the warrants.
The house is owned by Jeremy Paul Motz, 30, although he did not live there, and the house contained only drugs — no signs that someone lived there, according to the warrants. Motz faces a number of charges, including manufacturing a controlled substance and possession with intent to sell.
Police also searched Motz’s residence on Aster Drive, about a mile away from the other house. Inside, they found a set of digital scales, three glass pipes, a glass bong and a plate with white residue, according to warrants. Police also said they found a small bag of marijuana.

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:39:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t think I’m clinically depressed anymore. It was just my first day
off the alcohol. I’ve still got the tremors but the Doc gave me some Ativan
so they are better. I think after a good night’s sleep I’ll feel better.

brenda

On 10/28/05 5:08 AM, “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
wrote:

Also sceletium is a very good fast acting herb for depression. I
found it along with l-tyrosine to be one of the faster acting natural
mood lifters.

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hi Brenda,

I don’t think l-glutamine would be particularly effective for depression.
If you want to use amino acids for depression, try 5-htp (100mg 3 times a
day) and l-tyrosine (1 gram 3 times a day) in combination. Take a good B
vitamin with them (with 50mg B3 and B6), and a multimineral. l-glutamine with
that lot won’t hurt.
Take the lot 3 times a day, an hour before a meal.

Good St Jonn’s wort is also very good. Get the tincture it is absorbed better
and faster. Usual dosage is 2mg 3 times a day.
Sam-e is another good one, but is a bit expensive. Some people have
apparently started using it instead of the 5-htp/l-tyrosine combination, as
it does the job of both.
Oh, and l-theanine is a great alternative to l-glutamine.

As I mentioned in another post, I have found Damiana tea helpful for mild
depression also.

But if you are clinically depressed, I hope you’re getting some help. I have
not been reading all the posts, so have not read what you previously wrote
about your situation..

take care and good luck!
Boris

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:37:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yehhh see? It just took the right questions etc to get me to do what I did….and for what happened.. man it has been an extremely weird couple of days!@!!! Gremlins n ghosts in the computer! Tried re signing up with four email addresses!! Lol I was locked out!!!
And the worst thing… hearing that damn message was still in here!! Hahahahaha!!
Oh boy
Glad it’s over!!
Geez
Trust me to break something round here.. such a clutz LOL
Kirk
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 5:34 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

THANK YOU, PATRICK & KIRSTY!!!! Now I’m glad I brought it up again! I haven’t had any bounce backs at all! AND you’re back! SOOOO nice!   On 10/28/05 5:45 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Please direct all thanks, flowers, chocolates, medals etc to our beloved Patrick. :o)

From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:43 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????  YIPPEE!!! YOU FIXED IT!!! YAAAYYYY!!!  Don Patton wrote:  Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE??? ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!  Kirk wrote:  AM I BACK???????????????????????????

From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going  Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.  brenda
From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:33:56 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THANK YOU, PATRICK & KIRSTY!!!! Now I’m glad I brought it up again! I haven’t had any bounce backs at all! AND you’re back! SOOOO nice!

On 10/28/05 5:45 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Please direct all thanks, flowers, chocolates, medals etc to our beloved Patrick.
:o)

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:15:16 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Looking at some of their products containing the Nux Vomica. I see they have a liquid version with eye dropper also. That might be even better. I used one of the unit dosages. You turned the top of the tube and it automatically distributes 4 tiny granules, which was one dose. Popped them under the tongue and voila!

On 10/28/05 7:48 PM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Beatrice,

Boiron is a French company producing homeopathic medications. I found an interesting page on nux vomica. I always find the historical pages of interest.

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/strychnos-nux.html

Howard

In a message dated 10/28/05 10:07:02 PM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard. Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess. I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military. I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness. When I heard that I thought it was worth a try. The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica. If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

If you’d like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers. Just don’t have time to sit here and do it this second. I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session. Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you don’t need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because it’s so empty. And soooo tiny! Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal! Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:59:23 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PS – Kirsty, you do look like the Mona Lisa. Beautiful!

On 10/28/05 8:30 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Aww cool, I came back just in time!
Wicked girl! You got it going on!! Lol
Nice to see ya!
(Wishing now she had cut a photo out of a glossy mag geez lol)
Kirsty :o)

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic  My turn??? This is me!!!!        On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote: I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma! Callie        Here is Callie!      Charlie and Callie a few years ago!

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:52:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL The calico is named Patch, but we call her Kitty Cow or Chubby Checkers. She’s HUGE! The white one was a stray that we named Papa (he came with 4 tiny, baby kittens that he was protecting, we found homes for 2 of the babies). He had his whole jaw/face broken, so couldn’t close his mouth or one eye completely. His name was actually Pachunqui, which may be spelt wrong, but is Spanish slang for crooked face. Became shortened to just Papa. He was just a REALLY big framed cat. We lost him not that long ago to cancer. They are the biggest of the lot. For comparison, I’m 5’ 2” (on a good day) and 120 lbs. I, like a lot of you, have a ton of cats. My husband and I care for abused and abandoned cats, and work with the Feral Cat Coalition and the Shelters. Patch was battered as a kitten. We have 18 cats (ok guys, I heard the collective gasp). They are all part of the family and loved dearly.

On 10/28/05 8:31 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

And OMG.. how big are those cats????????????? Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
K

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:39:21 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard,

Thanks. Had you heard of this before??? All I know is it worked! I’d used the benedryl and other options before, but I’m quite susceptible to vomiting when I take hallucinogenic. During another, previous session with Ibogaine, my therapist came to where I was doing it, to talk with my provider and see what it was all about while I was under. She came in and saw me while I was having a particularly long, violent vomiting period. She says she felt sorry for me and I remember her stroking my head, saying very motherly, soft things to me. I also remember thinking to myself, ‘It’s really ok. I could care less if I’m throwing up.’ But I couldn’t express that to her at the time. Later I told her that while that was happening, I was so into my ‘trip’ that the vomiting really was no big deal at all for me. MUCH different than my experiences with any other substance that’s given me that side effect. But, not vomiting at all the last time was nice. Nice for me to not have to deal with it while under, and nice for my provider to not have to clean it up, of course. I highly recommend the Boiron. They sit under your tongue and have a slight sweet taste to them.

Beatrice

On 10/28/05 7:48 PM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Beatrice,

Boiron is a French company producing homeopathic medications. I found an interesting page on nux vomica. I always find the historical pages of interest.

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/strychnos-nux.html

Howard

In a message dated 10/28/05 10:07:02 PM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard. Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess. I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military. I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness. When I heard that I thought it was worth a try. The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica. If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Don’t OPEN HELLO EMAIL VIRUS (I gots the “Howard” award, I’m honored)
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:35:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yahoo! FareChase – Search multiple travel sites in one click.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:31:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And OMG.. how big are those cats????????????? Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
K
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn??? This is me!!!!        On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma! Callie        Here is Callie!      Charlie and Callie a few years ago!

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:30:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Aww cool, I came back just in time!
Wicked girl! You got it going on!! Lol
Nice to see ya!
(Wishing now she had cut a photo out of a glossy mag geez lol)
Kirsty :o)
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:05:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My turn??? This is me!!!!

On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie

Here is Callie!

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 28, 2005 at 10:48:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Beatrice,

Boiron is a French company producing homeopathic medications. I found an interesting page on nux vomica. I always find the historical pages of interest.

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/strychnos-nux.html

Howard

In a message dated 10/28/05 10:07:02 PM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard. Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess. I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military. I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness. When I heard that I thought it was worth a try. The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica. If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:33:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OOhhhhhh it’s so good to see someone!!
It’s bin sah damn lonely out here in cyber waste land … sniff
Mindvox wouldn’t let me back in…….
Patrick unlocked the door for me
And we think the error message is gone…..
It’s great to be back!!!!
:o)
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:28 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

I see ya girl, c’mon come out and play some more…………
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.  brenda –

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:41:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Boingy boingy gone at this end…
Patrick took the springs out.
Sweet!!
K
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:41 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE??? ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!  Kirk wrote:
AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:45:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please direct all thanks, flowers, chocolates, medals etc to our beloved Patrick.
:o)
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:43 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

YIPPEE!!! YOU FIXED IT!!! YAAAYYYY!!!  Don Patton wrote:
Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE??? ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!  Kirk wrote:
AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.  brenda –
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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 28, 2005 at 10:06:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard. Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess. I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military. I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness. When I heard that I thought it was worth a try. The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica. If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Brother
Date: October 28, 2005 at 9:44:43 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you Randy, this is more appreciated today than I care to admit, and I even got the first copy of my new book today (which looks great) but still haven’t been able to cash the freakin’ check (the rest of the advance) ’cause of the way they issued it, and damn it there’s ALWAYS something or other to complain about aint there.
Seriously Randy, I really needed this note just now, so thanks. Good timing.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Brother

In a message dated 10/27/2005 3:51:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au writes:
Plus, just in myself, I’m way sick and tired of pain and addiction, and
don’t know what to do. I’ve heard all the advice people can possibly give,
I can’t turn to anyone else but me now, and I’ve already done that too- so
I’m left with this totally desperate feeling of “depression” and “how long
can I really take this shit” and “how long can I maintain” and “I could
not take another bout of ‘ending'” if it ever came to that. And I have a
new book coming out in a week or less- how can I be feeling so down?

Peace and love,
Preston
Just know that there are people who really care about you and will help any way we can figure to help dude. Your talent, force of will, and intellect will get you where you wanna go. I know for me I have felt the same way a lot, even so called clean it aint always easy to stay focused and upbeat all the time. I have fallen off the wagon and got back up so many times now that I have scabs all over my body. Your still talking about making your life better dude, that’s the key. Never say die. I love you brutha Randy

From: morning_wood263@yahoo.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hello
Date: October 28, 2005 at 9:42:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 28, 2005 at 9:38:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/entertainment/content.php?bid=792&aid=24

by Preston Peet (Posted at Hightimes.com Oct. 27, 2005)

“Does anyone have a joint?” called out Le-Frost, the one “female” robot of the gangster rap robot foursome, 8-Bit, to the crowded room at CBGB’s gallery downstairs back in July, 2005. This gave my girlfriend, DJ Ness, the excuse to approach them on more than a “gosh golly, I’m such a gushing fan” basis and proceed to light them up with some of the best Strawberry Cough marijuana New York City has to offer. I myself earned a call out from the stage by the rappers one night later at the club Lit in Manhattan’s East Village, for having also smoked out the band, throwing a bit of Afghan hashish into the mix. This group’s members either smoke as much herb as they can, or they support those members who smoke as much herb as they can.

Two months later, more than a thousand bands converged on NYC, Sept. 14-17, for the CMJ Music Marathon (College Media Journal), mainly up and coming bands that are trying to draw attention, make a lot of noise, and get themselves signed. The band that I was most looking forward to seeing and hearing was 8-Bit, performing self-described “old school Nintendo rap.” This band is dangerous, assaulting the senses with graphic lyrics and extremely original beats and mixes, over which the four rap their robot hearts out while simultaneous putting every drug and drink into their bodies as possible.

Their official CMJ appearance was performed at Cake Shop in Manhattan’s Lower East Side, on September 16, filling the room with enthusiastic fans and several record label representatives, among them Epitaph and Geffen Records. Their second, unofficial CMJ gig was booked by DJ Ness at the Slipper Room, for the following night, at 2AM. With slightly goofy but fun choreography, the robots took the stage, periodically making their way into the crowd, rapping lyrics to songs like “Suck Ma Dick,” “Eatin’ Cat,” “I-Deez,” and “Jerry Juice,” among many others, turning the oddest, most mundane topics into instant classics of rap. Spacey-K, Anti-Log, Le-Frost and Robo-T, agreed to an in-depth interview but it turned into me chasing the various members around trying to get answers from extremely fucked up robots now wearing their people suits. They claim that they landed on our planet back in 2002 after their own planet, the Digital Planet, was destroyed in the “Analog Wars,” when Analog took over, and now they make their temporary home in Highland Park, California, the “taco-truck capital of the world.” Le-Frost does their choreography, Spacey-K and Robo-T create the beats, and the raps and rhymes are a collaborative effort.

Among recent accomplishments, 8-Bit recently remixed Beck’s “Hell Yes,” which became an iTune’s Number One download for a short while in early 2005. “The song we did for Beck is ‘Ghettochip Malfunction/Hell Yes’ and it’s going to be the next release for his album,” Anti-Log tells me. “They are shooting the video right now and it will be on MTV, MTV2, and Fuse. It will also be on like every radio station on the planet. In a month, every person who reads this article will know the song but not necessarily know that we did it.” (This is because 8-Bit did not obtain a contract before recording their remix, a remix specifically requested by Beck, and in turn will not get credited for their work on the song.) The rappers were also nominated in the 2005 LA Weekly Music Awards as “Best Hip Hop/Rap Artist” too. Despite these triumphs, the band tells me “we are the same robots we’ve always been and we always will be no matter how famous we eventually become.” They tell me they have no trouble handling “all the groupies,” mainly dealing with them “while we create our music,” which must add something special to the recording sessions. Putting out their music through their own label, Ninjastar Records (ninjastarrecords.com), they’re almost always on the road, claiming they never actually practice, “as we’re always on stage somewhere playing, so we really don’t have to practice, because we are literally always playing.”

Preferring their natural form as robots then to when they must don their people suits, no matter what form they’re taking, the band tells me they are “always” working on a new record, the next one to be titled “Chrome.” And they tell me they “really are as inebriated as we appear,” although Anti-Log did have to ask me what “inebriated” meant, slurring a bit from both alcohol and the invited beating he took from a fan with a beer bottle handed to the fan by Anti-Log himself during the show. “Drugs and blowjobs” are their main focus, after their music of course, and this band can fucking party. Claiming that they are the only rapping gangster robots, they warn me to alert my readers that if they ever see or hear other robots, particularly rapping robots, to be aware that these are only posers, that 8-Bit are the only genuine article, and I’m willing to buy that. Not normally a major rap fan, I’m seriously taken with this band, both with their music and their attitude towards life on this planet. They mix hard-driving, relentlessly powerful beats and rhythms with hilarious lyrics that rip on the absurd and ridiculous around us in modern society.

They tell me that in their opinion, “prohibition of alcohol didn’t work. It created violence and corruption at a staggering scale. Marijuana prohibition doesn’t work either. Just hang out with damn near anyone and they will happily produce a bag. Criminalizing a
harmless drug while backing and marketing pharmaceuticals that harm people more than help them is an oxymoronical joke. The 8-bit robots don’t subscribe to the drug policy of the US because it’s illogical. Robots don’t understand and reject illogical information.”

I myself am an old hand at doing drugs and staying out all night, but even I, a professional, had to really work hard to keep up with these young robots. Since DJ Ness had booked the Slipper Room show, we delighted in taking 8-Bit about the town afterwards, first to our own home, then to another apartment where we could all drink, snort drugs, smoke weed and watch the sun rise from the most beautiful patio imaginable.

After their CMJ adventures, 8-Bit intends to return to take on NYC as soon as possible.

PS: They’ll need a place to stay.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:42:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

YIPPEE!!! YOU FIXED IT!!! YAAAYYYY!!!

Don Patton wrote:
Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE??? ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!

Kirk wrote:
AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:40:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE??? ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:28:19 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, Im leaving in about 3 weeks.  brenda –

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] tESt
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:15:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OH NOOO PATRICK YOU’VE GONE DOTTY

—–Original Message—–
From: Patrick K. Kroupa [mailto:digital@wiretap.com]
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:14 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] tESt

doT -> .

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:11:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net]  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m. To: ibogaine@mindvox.com Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.  brenda –

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going
Date: October 28, 2005 at 7:59:38 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
—

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 7:52:04 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you , Randy.

On 10/28/05 4:42 PM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

Brenda, for what it is worth I had been told that orange juice with a little
Karo syrup helps with the shakes when I detoxed alcohol. I don’t know how much
it actually helped but I did get through it when I used it. Good luck on your
path towards treatment. Randy

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 7:51:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Beatrice,

I understand what you are saying…there is no time like the present no matter how crazy things got this time. I finally got that. It helps that I have insurance now…I haven’t in 2 years and the county programs are lame. I went to therapy intake and got to meet my new MD. She’s so cool! I told her what I am getting ready to do and she said, “well. A lot of things are controversial. Just because it’s not FDA approved doesn’t mean it won’t help you. I fully support you doing whatever you think you need to do to get better.” 🙂 Oh, and she gave me a script for 35 Ativan. She said I want you have enough to comfortable before you leave so you don’t feel like you have to go back to it if you have having symptoms.

I’m not offended I’m grateful. Both of my brothers are really upset with me. My BF is one of those feeling proud of me. I tell you, the love strategy I think works better. I am doing everything in my power, counseling, working with an MD and going to treatment.

I’m pretty beat. Gotta buy my plane ticket now. 🙂

brenda

On 10/28/05 11:39 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

> Brenda,
>
> Really great to it! Good for you! I hope I don’t offend by saying I’m
> proud of you, but I am. You’re facing a lot of different stresses right
> now, but seem to know what you want and need and are focusing on it. My
> only advice is keep with it. Don’t focus on everything being thrown at you.
> Stay focused on yourself and getting better. For some reason, every time I
> went to do this, my entire life went crazy around me. I mean much, much
> crazier than anything normal. Throwing so much extra stress on the
> situation that I used it as an excuse to go back. You see, I saw it as a
> sign it was not the time to do this, instead of what I now think it really
> is, the lifestyle trying to keep you. I realized it would never get easier,
> never be a better time. Once I realized that and that everything will still
> be there to deal with after I focus on myself, I did it. I’ve always been a
> caretaker, so it was very difficult for me to focus on only myself and my
> needs. You’re a step ahead.
>
> May I ask how long until your session? I have a very good, close friend who
> is also getting ready to do this for her alcohol addiction. I know very
> little about it concerning that particular treatment. I’ve been told you
> must go through the shakes beforehand, is this true? If so, you (and my
> friend) have a lot of courage and determination. I truly applaud you for
> it. I remember when I was still using, I quit cold turkey once, and then
> went back shortly after. After that I had no courage to ever go through
> that again. To know what’s coming was hard for me.
>
> Anyway, my prayers, chants, energy, everything is with you. Try to keep a
> positive, focused attitude, and do this! We’re all here for you!
> Beatrice
>
> PS – All you want that you listed before will click into place when you’re
> better and able to focus on other things again.
>
> On 10/27/05 10:49 PM, “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
>

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 7:42:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda, for what it is worth I had been told that orange juice with a little Karo syrup helps with the shakes when I detoxed alcohol. I don’t know how much it actually helped but I did get through it when I used it. Good luck on your path towards treatment. Randy

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 6:37:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I guess I missed the info last year.
I think it is very exciting as there is no drug that has ever been effective for cocaine cravings. This drug may turn out to be not effective either.
Maybe the folks that were in the discussion last year had never experienced themselves or observed anyone else who is hopelessly addicted to crack or cocaine.
I find the apathy regarding cocaine addiction disturbing. Personally, I feel cocaine could be the downfall of the USA. Not cocaine and other drugs, just cocaine alone.
I would like to see the USA to put more emphasis on studies and trials to help addiction. I really think they should/could start with Ibogaine. Might as well forget about it with W in office. He couldn’t care less about addicts!! Hell, he couldn’t care less about anything except oil and getting revenge on Sadaam Hussein! I really hope our next President has balls enough to attack the drug problem head on and to take on the drug companies and their ever increasing prices, etc.
But back to the point of post….Hell yes, I am excited! I really hope and pray that this is a beginning to the end of cocaine addicts having nothing to turn to for help with cravings.
Callie

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 5:11:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vector,
Welll, it dosen’t seem as if anybody is excited,
except Callie who may not have known about such a
possible alternative to “craving” control.

Perhaps its just that lack of enthusiasm, sense of
dispair or overall depression goes with addiction.

Sorry I missed the conversation last year. It was my
intent to see if there was any positive feedback or
whether anyone has had any success with the Subject
title. Apparently, from Boris reply it has worked for
someone. Even if its just one more person on the road
to recover, functioning, it is still one less less
person sitting in the hell of limbo. Don’t know about
you, but I would consider that special.

Best regards,

— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

Could I ask why anyone is getting excited by this
right now? This same
conversation went across here last year and the
feeling was that nobody
cared, another anti-seizure drug like neurontin
which can be
re-patented to do nothing too special.

.:vector:.

— CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:

Vigabratin

_http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html_

(http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html)

This is so exciting! Of course the USA is so
cautious it will not be

available for some time probably.
Callie

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ron to schoomly…
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:59:59 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you and family ok bro? ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II) ron to sch…

Hang in there Ron. You will eventually make it. call me if you need my help

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Brother
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:37:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/27/2005 3:51:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au writes:
Plus, just in myself, I’m way sick and tired of pain and addiction, and
> don’t know what to do. I’ve heard all the advice people can possibly give,
> I can’t turn to anyone else but me now, and I’ve already done that too- so
> I’m left with this totally desperate feeling of “depression” and “how long
> can I really take this shit” and “how long can I maintain” and “I could
> not take another bout of ‘ending'” if it ever came to that. And I have a
> new book coming out in a week or less- how can I be feeling so down?
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
Just know that there are people who really care about you and will help any way we can figure to help dude. Your talent, force of will, and intellect will get you where you wanna go. I know for me I have felt the same way a lot, even so called clean it aint always easy to stay focused and upbeat all the time. I have fallen off the wagon and got back up so many times now that I have scabs all over my body. Your still talking about making your life better dude, that’s the key. Never say die. I love you brutha Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 2:39:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda,

Really great to it! Good for you! I hope I don’t offend by saying I’m proud of you, but I am. You’re facing a lot of different stresses right now, but seem to know what you want and need and are focusing on it. My only advice is keep with it. Don’t focus on everything being thrown at you. Stay focused on yourself and getting better. For some reason, every time I went to do this, my entire life went crazy around me. I mean much, much crazier than anything normal. Throwing so much extra stress on the situation that I used it as an excuse to go back. You see, I saw it as a sign it was not the time to do this, instead of what I now think it really is, the lifestyle trying to keep you. I realized it would never get easier, never be a better time. Once I realized that and that everything will still be there to deal with after I focus on myself, I did it. I’ve always been a caretaker, so it was very difficult for me to focus on only myself and my needs. You’re a step ahead.

May I ask how long until your session? I have a very good, close friend who is also getting ready to do this for her alcohol addiction. I know very little about it concerning that particular treatment. I’ve been told you must go through the shakes beforehand, is this true? If so, you (and my friend) have a lot of courage and determination. I truly applaud you for it. I remember when I was still using, I quit cold turkey once, and then went back shortly after. After that I had no courage to ever go through that again. To know what’s coming was hard for me.

Anyway, my prayers, chants, energy, everything is with you. Try to keep a positive, focused attitude, and do this! We’re all here for you!
Beatrice

PS – All you want that you listed before will click into place when you’re better and able to focus on other things again.

On 10/27/05 10:49 PM, “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:

Hi,

Phew. It was hard but I got through the worst of it and I think I will be able to sleep soon. Maybe by midnight. I spent a lot of time reading different things about why it’s not a good idea for me to try to taper off and have a beer for the shakes. It has not worked for me in the past and I just don’t have enough support – it’s just not an option for me.

I also am able to feel less upset – I had some warm milk with honey in it and I was surprised to find that it worked well in helping me feel better.

I know I’m going to have a great life, I am going to love sobriety and I am going to learn new ways to cope and there are a lot of people who are going to help me because I simply cannot do this alone right now.

I’m looking forward to my journey and I’ll have a lot of support until then.

Thanks for listening again.

Brenda

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [OT] Exxon: $10 billion in profit, $100 billion in revenue last quarter
Date: October 28, 2005 at 2:36:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Exxon: $10 billion in profit, $100 billion in revenue last quarter.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002588325_oilearns28.html

“More than a billion dollars a day, $45 million an hour, almost $340
for every living American that’s what Exxon Mobil reported in
third-quarter revenue Thursday. The financial results drew outrage from
politicians and consumer advocates”

.:vector:.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:52:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Could I ask why anyone is getting excited by this right now? This same
conversation went across here last year and the feeling was that nobody
cared, another anti-seizure drug like neurontin which can be
re-patented to do nothing too special.

.:vector:.

— CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:

Vigabratin
_http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html_
(http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html)
This is so exciting! Of course the USA is so cautious it will not be

available for some time probably.
Callie

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:53:09 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am taking an eduacated guess that Sabrilex is an extended release and Sabril is not but like I said that is a guess. Of course since they are made by different companies Sabilex may just be a similar name to Sabril the company has used to make it ‘easier’ for consumers.
Medline says the brand name in Cacada is Sabril. The generic would be Vigabratin
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html
This is so exciting! Of course the USA is so cautious it will not be available for some time probably.
Callie

From: Mason Shipley <maseshipley@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:29:25 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I posted my own message that was not so different from yours when I
arrived here, I don’t post much and skip a lot of the messages but
there is usually something here that is worth reading or helps me out
in some way.

I have to agree with you about some of the people here, it’s
complicated further because most of the new age types who post here
constantly either weren’t addicts in the first place or are still
addicts and keep giving advice they don’t seem to take themselves. In
the long run its not all that different from the 12 step meetings most
of those here dis or don’t take part in. ‘Take what you find useful
and leave the rest’.

I’m still here so obviously I find many things useful, not always for
the reasons the person who posted intended.

There are a lot of recovery resources on the Mindvox site,
unfortunately they too cover the range of whackos (what can anybody
tell me does Jonathan Ott ranting have to do with recovery or
ibogaine? He’s a friend of your’s and you do deranged interviews
together, that’s nice Patrick but really, name one thing Jonathan Ott
has to do with recovery? He hasn’t spent a day in his life sober,
other then being a psychedelics guru, his contribution to recovery is
nothing).

The Keeping Clean section is also filling up with the whacko material
or anybody with a PhD that will spend their time writing up long anti
12 step rants like Peter Cohen and Stanton Peele who make a career out
of trashing anything that has something to do with addiction
treatment, but other then this list what I myself find useful here is

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/KeepingClean/KeepingClean.html

Patrick’s series made me very angry the first time I read it, it
lashes out against the 12 steps and rehab, then I re read it when so
many here credited it with keeping them sober after ibogaine and
almost a year later, reading it I’m left with lingering resentment
against the 12 step bashing, but more of a understanding considering
the second to last piece in the addiction 4 parter is written with the
psychedelic artist who works the steps.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/HeroinTimes.html

Whatever else it might be, it’s real, honest and has a lot of useful info.

I too don’t have that much interest in the rants of those who have
never been addicts, everything else here isn’t all that different from
any group or any meeting you’ll attend, 12 step based or not.

The site has also made me laugh on more then one occasion when things
are at their darkest and that’s one hell of a gift. Thanks for that.

Asking people here to act differently is about as useful as asking
people at NA to act differently and it’s classic addict behavior,
wanting the world to change itself for our benefit.

Take what you find useful and leave the rest.

-Mase

On 10/23/05, Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m a little late and coming into the middle of all this so please
bear with me. I don’t know what to make of this place but it looks
like a weird combination of hippy-dippy new age dreck, hardcore
junkies and I don’t know what else.

Who is who? I could honestly give 2 shits about transpersonal
blathering and new age mumbo jumbo by people who have never been
addicted. I’m much more with Callie. Morning Wood, Ron, I’m interested
in what ibogaine does for detox, what then, how does anyone here stay
clean, do any of you who were junkies and stayed clean really do it
through this new age crap? I don’t want to hear the rebirthing
transpersonal nurturing granola sheet, sorry got my fill in the 60’s.
Is there any non blathering after ibogaine treatment or system or
whatnot that works for anyone?

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is a
detox protocol.

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:23:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey Luke,

I’ve just got some sceletium to try, have never tried it before.

How much would you recommend for a dose?

Its powdered, meant for snorting, I think? How did you have it?

Also, I have a hunch that people that are into alcohol would find more anti-anxiety effects from 5-htp. People who are into ampthetamines and the like, would benefit more from tyrosine. But a combination of both is better – boosting serotonin only will
eventually drive down dopamine, and boosting dopamine only will eventually drive down serotonin.

Boris

—- Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
Also sceletium is a very good fast acting herb for depression. I
found it along with l-tyrosine to be one of the faster acting natural
mood lifters.

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hi Brenda,

I don’t think l-glutamine would be particularly effective for depression.
If you want to use amino acids for depression, try 5-htp (100mg 3 times a day) and l-tyrosine (1 gram 3 times a day) in combination. Take a good B vitamin with them (with 50mg B3 and B6), and a multimineral. l-glutamine with that lot won’t hurt.
Take the lot 3 times a day, an hour before a meal.

Good St Jonn’s wort is also very good. Get the tincture it is absorbed better and faster. Usual dosage is 2mg 3 times a day.
Sam-e is another good one, but is a bit expensive. Some people have apparently started using it instead of the 5-htp/l-tyrosine combination, as it does the job of both.
Oh, and l-theanine is a great alternative to l-glutamine.

As I mentioned in another post, I have found Damiana tea helpful for mild depression also.

But if you are clinically depressed, I hope you’re getting some help. I have not been reading all the posts, so have not read what you previously wrote about your situation..

take care and good luck!
Boris

—- brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
On 10/28/05 12:26 AM, “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

l-glutamine

Phew. You just reminded me I have some from last time I tried to quit. I
just took some. Honestly, I don¹t remember if it helped last time. I hope
it does this time because I do feel clinically depressed but not suicidal.
I¹m going to start back up on my vitamins tomorrow.

brenda

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:08:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Also sceletium is a very good fast acting herb for depression. I
found it along with l-tyrosine to be one of the faster acting natural
mood lifters.

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hi Brenda,

I don’t think l-glutamine would be particularly effective for depression.
If you want to use amino acids for depression, try 5-htp (100mg 3 times a day) and l-tyrosine (1 gram 3 times a day) in combination. Take a good B vitamin with them (with 50mg B3 and B6), and a multimineral. l-glutamine with that lot won’t hurt.
Take the lot 3 times a day, an hour before a meal.

Good St Jonn’s wort is also very good. Get the tincture it is absorbed better and faster. Usual dosage is 2mg 3 times a day.
Sam-e is another good one, but is a bit expensive. Some people have apparently started using it instead of the 5-htp/l-tyrosine combination, as it does the job of both.
Oh, and l-theanine is a great alternative to l-glutamine.

As I mentioned in another post, I have found Damiana tea helpful for mild depression also.

But if you are clinically depressed, I hope you’re getting some help. I have not been reading all the posts, so have not read what you previously wrote about your situation..

take care and good luck!
Boris

—- brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
On 10/28/05 12:26 AM, “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

l-glutamine

brenda

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 5:12:01 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Brenda,

I don’t think l-glutamine would be particularly effective for depression.
If you want to use amino acids for depression, try 5-htp (100mg 3 times a day) and l-tyrosine (1 gram 3 times a day) in combination. Take a good B vitamin with them (with 50mg B3 and B6), and a multimineral. l-glutamine with that lot won’t hurt.
Take the lot 3 times a day, an hour before a meal.

Good St Jonn’s wort is also very good. Get the tincture it is absorbed better and faster. Usual dosage is 2mg 3 times a day.
Sam-e is another good one, but is a bit expensive. Some people have apparently started using it instead of the 5-htp/l-tyrosine combination, as it does the job of both.
Oh, and l-theanine is a great alternative to l-glutamine.

As I mentioned in another post, I have found Damiana tea helpful for mild depression also.

But if you are clinically depressed, I hope you’re getting some help. I have not been reading all the posts, so have not read what you previously wrote about your situation..

take care and good luck!
Boris

—- brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
On 10/28/05 12:26 AM, “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

l-glutamine

brenda

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 5:04:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ashwanganda’s effects are quite subtle. Have not tried mulungu.
I find Kava is not bad for relaxation.
I also like Damiana for the mild blues. Two cups of strong fresh damiana tea is quite nice.

Boris

—- Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh yeah! There’s another less known south american herb called
mulungu that is supposed to act on GABA. It’s supposed to aid
relaxing nerves. Here’s a link.

http://www.rain-tree.com/mulungu.htm

The indian herb Ashwaganda also has some effect on GABA. I found that
helpfull and it’s also an aphrodisiac 🙂

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

Sure, don’t waste your money, it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.

GABA is one of the neurotransmitters in your brain responsible for mood control. It is the main inhibitory neurotransmitter, which means it is responsible for “calming” effects. Boosting brain GABA seems to be the main craving control mechanism currently being explored. Benzodiazapines (Valium, Xanax etc) work by slowing down the rate at which the GABA the brain makes is broken down. The epilepsy medications like Vigabatrin work in similar fashion (I think by inhibitting production of of the enzyme that breaks down the GABA), I think. GHB and 14B readily cross the blood-brain barrier and get converted straght into GABA. This is why they are misused as a “date rape drug”. A very steep dose response curve means if you have a little too much or mix with another depressant (like alcohol) you’ll fall asleep, possibly go into a coma or worse. You have to be extremely careful with drugs that directly substitute GABA in the brain. There are many medical uses for these also by the way, so they CAN be used safely.
The precursor to brain GABA is the amino acid l-glutamine. It is one of the amino acids in “End your addiction now”. I don’t know if taking l-glutamine alone would help cravings. I would imagine that it would. 1-3 grams, 3 times a day are the dosages in the book. It is very safe to take. Your body will discard what it cannot use. But it is used elsewhere in the body besides the brain, which is maybe why the GABA you can buy in a health food store may be useful for other purposes. But none of that stuff will get in your brain.
L-glutamine is also useful for anyone coming off a benzo addiction. The reason that benzo and alcohol withdrawal are so dangerous is because the level GABA in your brain drop when you’re addicted to these substances, and your brain relies on them. Take away the benzos or alcohol, brain has not got enough GABA, you get very anxious, go into fits etc. Epilepsy is a condition where the brain GABA is low and that is the cause of the fits.

a bit of a ramble, I am in a rush.. hope that helps
cheers
Boris

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

Years of research on the brain’s message delivery
system is paying off for patients with epilepsy.
Scientists discovered that abnormal levels of
chemicals such as GABA unbalance the system and may
cause a seizure. Now they are developing new
treatments that promote harmony in the message
delivery system and efficiently ward off seizures.

When a chemical thunderstorm churns in the
brain, messages normally delivered with precision from
one cell to the next gush out of control. This flood
of nerve cell chatter may trigger parts of your body
to contract rapidly, your mouth to salivate, a feeling
of “deja vu” and even a total blackout — a seizure.
For years scientists have been analyzing the
brain’s message delivery system in order to find ways
to control seizures. People who experience repeated
seizures suffer from epilepsy. This ailment is one of
the most prevalent neurological disorders, afflicting
approximately one percent of Americans — about 2.5
million people. Seizures can occur in healthy
children, adults and the elderly as well as those with
other disorders such as a brain injury.
Traditional medications are not successful for
all patients and carry numerous side effects. Now
after a 15-year drought, several new epilepsy drugs
are close to approval in the United States. Many of
these recent developments stem from the discovery of
the chemical GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid) in 1950.

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

Nerve cells, or neurons, communicate by
releasing neurotransmitters. These chemical messengers
flow onto other neurons that act as receivers. The
neurotransmitter attaches to a slot on the neuron, or
receptor site. Once attached different
neurotransmitters either trigger “go” signals that
allow the message to be passed on to other cells or
produce “stop” signals that prevent the message from
being forwarded. GABA is the most common
message-altering neurotransmitter in the brain.
The brain has to keep tight control of this
message delivery system to avoid communication chaos.
A single receiving neuron has thousands of receptor
sites and receives many different messages and
passwords at once. Each neuron adds up the incoming
signals and determines whether or not to pass the
information along to other cells. Enzymes help out by
patrolling the brain and eliminating excess
message-halting GABA to ensure a balance in
communication.
Sometimes, however, the system crashes. Normally
each neuron affects only a limited number of other
cells. If a sufficient amount of GABA is lacking,
however, the system goes out of whack, and tens of
thousands of neurons send messages rapidly, intensely
and simultaneously, resulting in a seizure. The
enzymes that normally work to keep GABA at a
satisfactory level may, under some abnormal
conditions, actually trigger the message onslaught by
keeping the levels of GABA too low.
Scientists have applied their knowledge of the
brain’s message delivery system to develop new drugs.
These new treatments prevent epileptic seizures by
keeping the message delivery system in balance. One
drug, vigabatrin, currently is available in Europe and
being evaluated in the United States. The medication
has a chemical structure similar to GABA, making it
attractive to GABA-eliminating enzymes. Vigabatrin
binds to the duped enzymes, knocking them out of
commission. This ensures that GABA stays at a level
that will keep the message delivery system working
properly.
Scientists hope to further decipher the message
delivery system in the brain and create additional
targets for therapies that will improve treatment and
induce fewer side effects.
Research on the basic mechanisms of how neurons
communicate through chemical messages also may bolster
the search for new treatments that target other
neurological disorders.

A seizure occurs when the message delivery system
becomes unbalanced. Under normal circumstances, the
neurotransmitter GABA does its part to make sure the
system stays in synch by triggering signals in the
form of charged particles (A). It causes a large
concentration of negatively charged chloride particles
(Cl-) to enter the receiving neuron. This tells the
neuron to not pass on the message. When there is not
enough GABA a person can have a seizure because
receiving neurons can be flooded with signals that say
“pass on this message.” The “go” messages are
triggered by a different type of neurotransmitter that
promotes message transfer (B). the charged signals
they set off are positive. This time, more positively
charged sodium particles (Na+) enter the neuron, which
tells the receiving neuron to pass on the message.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 4:51:27 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh yeah! There’s another less known south american herb called
mulungu that is supposed to act on GABA. It’s supposed to aid
relaxing nerves. Here’s a link.

http://www.rain-tree.com/mulungu.htm

The indian herb Ashwaganda also has some effect on GABA. I found that
helpfull and it’s also an aphrodisiac 🙂

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

Sure, don’t waste your money, it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.

a bit of a ramble, I am in a rush.. hope that helps
cheers
Boris

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.
The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them.
-Al Einstein.

__________________________________
Yahoo! Mail – PC Magazine Editors’ Choice 2005
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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 4:43:13 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was taking a GABA supplement recently and it definitely did have an
effect. I’m not sure if it crosses the into the brain in some people
or if it’s GABA receptors in the body but I could definitely feel some
effect.

There’s memory drug called picamilon which is a vitimin connected with
GABA I think. It gets GABA into the brain and increases cerebral
blood circulation. One of it’s uses is for recovering alcoholics as
it’s supposed to have similar effects as valium but also a memory
enhancer. It’s supposed to cause relaxing effects or stimulating
effects depending on dose.

Luke

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

Sure, don’t waste your money, it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.

a bit of a ramble, I am in a rush.. hope that helps
cheers
Boris

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.
The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them.
-Al Einstein.

__________________________________
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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:41:25 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 10/28/05 12:26 AM, “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> l-glutamine

Phew. You just reminded me I have some from last time I tried to quit. I just took some. Honestly, I don’t remember if it helped last time. I hope it does this time because I do feel clinically depressed but not suicidal. I’m going to start back up on my vitamins tomorrow.

brenda

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:31:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

between the two..they appear to be different Mfgs
using different names for the same compound.

We’ve been getting Sabrilex, as it is cheaper.. They
are the same drug, I can’t say for sure if there is
a difference. It has been the case with some drugs
the the generic brand was inferior to a brand name,
from anecdotal evidence, don’t know if that is
true..
I doubt there would be a difference though.

Boris

Yes, granted. But of the two, do you know which is the
Brand and which is the Generic. Price does not always
reflect the difference, especially if the vendors are
from two different countries.
Do you know.

I believe Sabril was the one used in the study in Mexico. But I think they are actually both brand names. Sabrilex that Mandy is taking is by Aventis. Sabril is Yamanouchi.

Boris

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:26:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

Sure, don’t waste your money, it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.

a bit of a ramble, I am in a rush.. hope that helps
cheers
Boris

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.
The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them.
-Al Einstein.

__________________________________
Yahoo! Mail – PC Magazine Editors’ Choice 2005
http://mail.yahoo.com

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] If you want to laugh right now
Date: October 28, 2005 at 2:38:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Go to this page: http://www.scorpioncity.com/depression.html

Scroll down till you get to the depression jokes. It really has helped me feel better.

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 28, 2005 at 2:35:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jon
I agree completely. Once an addiction is curtailed or
overcome, repeat customers are far between if they
stay clean, and the rate of new addictions would
hopefully, from our perspective anyway, be fewer. A
dwindling market so to speak. Most drug
addictions/treatments are NOT covered by Health
Insurance.

For all these reasons and the ones we both posted, not
to mention the more nefarious and insidious ones (the
parasites that make a living and profit off of drug
addiction (what would a prison guard do otherwise for
a living, what would the DEA do with all those
agents….put them to work in homeland security and
FEMA?), there is little interest for big Pharma
regarding users of of “illegal” drugs. Which is a
hyprocricy, a joke, imvho considering people hooked on
Valium, Oxytocin, and the other designer, more in
vogue, socially acceptable stuff.

— jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

As far as the pharmaceutical companies are
concerned, the problem is
that there’s far too LITTLE money to be made in
addiction. first of all,
there are just a lot less people out there with
chemical dependency
problems than there are, for instance, people who
have depression,
impotence, male pattern baldness, etc. second, drug
companies like drugs
that people have to take for the rest of their lives
(eg, prozac). once
you’ve kicked, they can’t make any more money off
you. third, people who
are drug dependent have one of the highest mortality
rates of any
clinical population. there’s absolutely no money in
a dead patient.

so yeah, all the stuff you said about money to be
made by the courts,
lawyers, cops, etc is definately a major reason
drugs are still illegal,
despite a great deal of evidence that things would
be a lot better if
they weren’t. but it’s the opposite problem with
drug treatment.
developing a medication to treat drug dependency
usually seems like a
poor investment to most drug company shareholders.

yay for the intersection of science and capitalism.

jon

ps. patrick! i will give you my left kidney if you
get the mail server
working again! =)

Boris,

Thank you for the reply and good information. And
thanks for the links, I’m just starting on my
quest
and they will be helpful. Especially, it seems,
the
book.

I’m getting really tired of the status quo
pandering
from the Medical establishement in this country
sing
songing that there is nothing to help with
addiction
cravings other than the usual 12 step programs,
psychotherapy, behavior modification, etc. It
stands
to reason that they would not consider these drugs
being made available in this country…..there is
just
TOO much money to be made from addiction. Courts,
prisons, law enforcement agencies all have a huge
stake in not dowsizing the economic bloodlines
they
help perpetuate with their “War on Drugs”. Me
thinks
the war they are really waging is not allowing for
consideration, drugs that might possibly work.

How in the hell can anyone, without some sort of
chemical intervention modify their behavior to any
workable degree by intent or willpower alone when
brain chemistry is so fundamentally altered by the
effects of drugs.

Ibogaine is so hopeful, yes, but in reality,
treatment
is not easily affordable to most users or their
families as other financial resources. The
standard
$5,000 to $20,000 is most certainly beyond our
financial means at this moment as it is to I
presume
many others on this list.

It seems that the “craving” is the most difficult
part
of recovery. And if a person can get at least a
running start, then other behavior modification
programs have a chance of succeeding.

I watch my son morph from Dr. Jykle to Mr. Hyde
when
the “cravings” come upon him. He gets like a
freaking
werewolf. Its a very sad thing to witness and I
can
only imagine what it must feel like.

Anyway, thank you and I will be contacting you off
list if its OK with you.

Warm regards,

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:

Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking
it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come
up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”). She was ok for 2
months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided
to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later.
That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how
much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because
she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and
eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not
help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle
fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin,
speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use
has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has
helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of
other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends
in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get
Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase
Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors
would
prescribe it.
I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I
think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers

=== message truncated ===

Best regards,
Carol

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 1:49:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

I also am able to feel less upset – I had some warm milk with honey in it and I was surprised to find that it worked well in helping me feel better.

I’m looking forward to my journey and I’ll have a lot of support until then.

Thanks for listening again.

Brenda

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] positive affirmation
Date: October 28, 2005 at 1:36:32 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks. I loved that!

—
…What you are is G-d’s gift to you. What you become is your gift to G-d…

On 10/27/05 8:11 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

speaker started off his seminar

by holding up a $20.00 bill. In the room of 200, he asked,

“Who would like this $20 bill?”

Hands started going up.

He said, “I am going to give this $20 to one of you

but first, let me do this.

He proceeded to crumple up the $20 dollar bill.

He then asked, “Who still wants it?”

Still the hands were up in the air.

Well, he replied, “What if I do this?”

And he dropped it on the ground

and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe.

He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty.

“Now, who still wants it?”

Still the hands went into the air.

My friends, we have all learned a very valuable lesson.

No matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it

because it did not decrease in value.

It was still worth $20.

Many times in our lives,

we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt

by the decisions we make and

the circumstances that come our way.

We feel as though we are worthless.

But no matter what has happened or

what will happen, you will never lose your value.

Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased,

you are still priceless to those who DO LOVE you.

The worth of our lives comes not in what we do or who we

know,

but by WHO WE ARE.

You are special- Don’t EVER forget it.”

From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 28, 2005 at 1:16:56 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As far as the pharmaceutical companies are concerned, the problem is that there’s far too LITTLE money to be made in addiction. first of all, there are just a lot less people out there with chemical dependency problems than there are, for instance, people who have depression, impotence, male pattern baldness, etc. second, drug companies like drugs that people have to take for the rest of their lives (eg, prozac). once you’ve kicked, they can’t make any more money off you. third, people who are drug dependent have one of the highest mortality rates of any clinical population. there’s absolutely no money in a dead patient.

so yeah, all the stuff you said about money to be made by the courts, lawyers, cops, etc is definately a major reason drugs are still illegal, despite a great deal of evidence that things would be a lot better if they weren’t. but it’s the opposite problem with drug treatment. developing a medication to treat drug dependency usually seems like a poor investment to most drug company shareholders.

yay for the intersection of science and capitalism.

jon

ps. patrick! i will give you my left kidney if you get the mail server working again! =)

Boris,
Thank you for the reply and good information. And
thanks for the links, I’m just starting on my quest
and they will be helpful. Especially, it seems, the
book.
I’m getting really tired of the status quo pandering
from the Medical establishement in this country sing
songing that there is nothing to help with addiction
cravings other than the usual 12 step programs,
psychotherapy, behavior modification, etc. It stands
to reason that they would not consider these drugs
being made available in this country…..there is just
TOO much money to be made from addiction. Courts,
prisons, law enforcement agencies all have a huge
stake in not dowsizing the economic bloodlines they
help perpetuate with their “War on Drugs”. Me thinks
the war they are really waging is not allowing for
consideration, drugs that might possibly work. How in the hell can anyone, without some sort of
chemical intervention modify their behavior to any
workable degree by intent or willpower alone when
brain chemistry is so fundamentally altered by the
effects of drugs. Ibogaine is so hopeful, yes, but in reality, treatment
is not easily affordable to most users or their
families as other financial resources. The standard
$5,000 to $20,000 is most certainly beyond our
financial means at this moment as it is to I presume
many others on this list. It seems that the “craving” is the most difficult part
of recovery. And if a person can get at least a
running start, then other behavior modification
programs have a chance of succeeding. I watch my son morph from Dr. Jykle to Mr. Hyde when
the “cravings” come upon him. He gets like a freaking
werewolf. Its a very sad thing to witness and I can
only imagine what it must feel like. Anyway, thank you and I will be contacting you off
list if its OK with you. Warm regards, — Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”). She was ok for 2 months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later. That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin, speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would
prescribe it. I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris
— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”). She was ok for 2 months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later. That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin, speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would
prescribe it. I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris

—- Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/05/anti.addiction.drug/
Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
cocaine
As of now, the only treatment for cocaine addicts

counseling August 5, 1998
Web posted at: 10:17 a.m. EDT (1417 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) — An epilepsy drug is showing

promise

as a possible treatment for cocaine addiction,
researchers say.

A decade-long study of the experimental epilepsy

drug

Vigabatrin has shown it to be a powerful tool for
fighting cocaine addition in both baboons and

rats.

Now researchers are hopeful the drug will prove

useful

in fighting addictions in humans as well.

“People addicted to cocaine have a very high

relapse

rate, and we haven’t (had) anything by way of
medication to help them,” explained Dr. Rodney

Burback

of Suburban Hospital in Rockville, Maryland.

Vigabatrin works at combating addiction by

preventing

the “high” and other effects of cocaine in much

the

same way it prevents an epileptic seizure — it

alters

the way brain cells communicate with each other.

As part of their study, researchers gave cocaine

rats until they became addicted and continuously
pushed a bar in their cages to get more and more
cocaine. Once Vigabatrin was administered,

researchers

say the rats stopped self-administering the

cocaine.

Unlike other pharmaceutical treatments for drug
addiction, Vigabatrin itself is not addictive.

“It’s not a drug that produces withdrawal. It’s

not a

drug that produces tolerance. In other words, we

don’t

need to give more of it over time to get the same
effect,” explained Dr. Stephen Dewey a

neuroanatomist

at Brookhaven National Laboratory, who led the
research team.
rat
Vigabatrin was successful in helping lab rats get

over

cocaine addiction
Vigabatrin works by increasing levels of a
neurotransmitter in the brain called GABA. High

GABA

levels lead to low levels of another

neurotransmitter

called dopamine, the brain’s “feel good” chemical

that

is at the heart of drug addiction. By lowering
dopamine levels in the brain, cravings for cocaine

can

be stopped.

Researchers studied the brain scans of baboons

before

and after they had taken cocaine. The primates

that

had been given a dose of Vigabatrin before their
cocaine dose showed normal levels of dopamine in

the

brain, compared with those that had not been given

the

epilepsy drug.

Researchers also gave rats cocaine repeatedly over
several days and monitored their tendency to go to

place where they had obtained cocaine before. With
Vigabatrin, the rodents did not stay in the place
associated with cocaine but moved around their

cage.

Dewey said the finding was important for people

who

are addicted to cocaine and other drugs because

their

cravings are often sparked by factors such as

seeing

similar-looking substances or a person with whom

they

might have shared drugs.

“Because cocaine addiction is part biochemistry

and

part behavior, these results confirm that it is
possible to attack it on both fronts,” said

Charles

Ashby, a St. John’s University researcher who

worked

on the behavioral part of the study.

This doesn’t mean, however, that Vigabatrin will

have

the same affect on people. Many anti-addiction

drugs

that have succeeded in animals have failed in

human

trials. There may also be side effect. Vigabatrin

has

caused a small number of people to have vision
problems.

In the fall, researchers at Brookhaven National
Laboratory and New York University plan to start a
90-day clinical trial to test the drug’s

effectiveness

on volunteer human cocaine addicts.

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:48:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hi Boris,
Info Per the website. In your post you state 50mg.
Did
you mean 500mg?

my mistake, I meant 500mg!

Thank you. 🙂

between the two..they appear to be different Mfgs
using different names for the same compound.

Boris

Best regards,
Carol

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:42:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

1-(2-(((diphenylmethylene)amino)oxy)ethyl)-1,2,5,6-tetrahydro-3-pyridinecarboxylic
acid hydrochloride (NNC-711), a GABA uptake
inhibitor,
dose and time dependently diminished increases in
extracellular dopamine following acute cocaine
challenge. Furthermore, we demonstrated that
cyclized
analogue of vigabatrin, a competitive reversible
GABA-transaminase inhibitor, is a more potent
inhibitor of cocaine-induced dopamine increase than
vigabatrin. Our data suggest that in addition to
irreversible inhibition of GABA transaminase,
inhibition of GABA uptake represent another
potentially effective, indirect strategy for the
treatment of cocaine abuse.

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:42:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Boris,
Info Per the website. In your post you state 50mg. Did
you mean 500mg?

my mistake, I meant 500mg!

Apparently, they only offer 500 mg
tablets and 50mg compress. They also offer SABRILEX
#22,23) and SABRIL (#24). From your research and
experience, which appears good, is there a difference
between the two..they appear to be different Mfgs
using different names for the same compound.

We’ve been getting Sabrilex, as it is cheaper.. They are the same drug, I can’t say for sure if there is a difference. It has been the case with some drugs the the generic brand was inferior to a brand name, from anecdotal evidence, don’t know if that is true..
I doubt there would be a difference though.

Boris

22. Sabrilex 500 mg 50 compress $ 80.47
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Aventis, ES)

23. Sabrilex 500 mg 100 Tablets $ 133.55
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Aventis, ES)

24. Sabril 500mg 100 Tablets $ 149.04 Add To Cart
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Yamanouchi, NL)

Best regards,
Carol

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:23:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You will need 5 boxes of 100 x 50mg tablets to do
the usage course in that study done in Mexico. Read
the study documentation for dosage. Its about 2mg
twice daily for about 5-6 weeks, with 1-2 weeks
either side to build up and taper down. About 160
euros per box, if I remember correctly ($200
australian).

Hi Boris,
Info Per the website. In your post you state 50mg. Did
you mean 500mg? Apparently, they only offer 500 mg
tablets and 50mg compress. They also offer SABRILEX
#22,23) and SABRIL (#24). From your research and
experience, which appears good, is there a difference
between the two..they appear to be different Mfgs
using different names for the same compound.

22. Sabrilex 500 mg 50 compress $ 80.47
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Aventis, ES)

23. Sabrilex 500 mg 100 Tablets $ 133.55
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Aventis, ES)

24. Sabril 500mg 100 Tablets $ 149.04 Add To Cart
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Yamanouchi, NL)

Best regards,
Carol

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:57:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You can order it on the internet without a prescription. More expensive, but what can you do.

Here:
www.goldpharma.com

I’ve ordered from there, no problem, arrived within 2-3 weeks.
I’ve also ordered from another place, can’t remember the address, have it at home, email me if there are problems with the one above. Shipped from Europe. Spain, I think. The other was from somewhere in the Pacific, Fiji or something.

They give you a prescription, you just filll out a questionnaire. They reckon they have a doctor review your answers and approve your prescription. Whatever.

You will need 5 boxes of 100 x 50mg tablets to do the usage course in that study done in Mexico. Read the study documentation for dosage. Its about 2mg twice daily for about 5-6 weeks, with 1-2 weeks either side to build up and taper down. About 160 euros per box, if I remember correctly ($200 australian).
Its in the epilepsy section.

its not abusable. It works similarly to benzodiazapines, slower acting, more suble, slightly different mechanism, but both slow down the breakdown of brain GABA.
Most common side effect of sleepiness. Some people get some headaches.
(BTW ghb/14b, as I mentioned earlier, get converted straght into GABA in the brain, hence the effectiveness for cravings – knocks the dopamine/adrenalin levels right down fast. Not 100% effective, but still very effective.)

good luck!
Boris

—- CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:

Very interesting!
I have a good friend who is a crack addict. He goes on binges about every
two or three weeks. He has nothing left materially or emotionally. It is very
sad.
He states he has accepted the fact that he will always smoke crack as it is
the most pleasurable thing he has ever experienced. He even acknowledges the
losses he has suffered but will still look you dead in the eye and say he
knows but he will never quit.
He says the cravings are totally consuming.
He says he can’t deny the cravings once they start.
I would be interested to see how he would do in a study like this. I think
he would try it.

Thanks saffire for posting that! More hope in the future!
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:23:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Very interesting!
I have a good friend who is a crack addict. He goes on binges about every two or three weeks. He has nothing left materially or emotionally. It is very sad.
He states he has accepted the fact that he will always smoke crack as it is the most pleasurable thing he has ever experienced. He even acknowledges the losses he has suffered but will still look you dead in the eye and say he knows but he will never quit.
He says the cravings are totally consuming.
He says he can’t deny the cravings once they start.
I would be interested to see how he would do in a study like this. I think he would try it.

Thanks saffire for posting that! More hope in the future!
Callie

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] positive affirmation
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:19:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This posting is lovely. Thank you!

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] positive affirmation
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:11:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

speaker started off his seminar

by holding up a $20.00 bill. In the room of 200, he asked,

“Who would like this $20 bill?”

Hands started going up.

He said, “I am going to give this $20 to one of you

but first, let me do this.

He proceeded to crumple up the $20 dollar bill.

He then asked, “Who still wants it?”

Still the hands were up in the air.

Well, he replied, “What if I do this?”

And he dropped it on the ground

and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe.

He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty.

“Now, who still wants it?”

Still the hands went into the air.

My friends, we have all learned a very valuable lesson.

No matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it

because it did not decrease in value.

It was still worth $20.

Many times in our lives,

we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt

by the decisions we make and

the circumstances that come our way.

We feel as though we are worthless.

But no matter what has happened or

what will happen, you will never lose your value.

Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased,

you are still priceless to those who DO LOVE you.

The worth of our lives comes not in what we do or who we

know,

but by WHO WE ARE.

You are special- Don’t EVER forget it.”

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] positive affirmation
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:11:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

speaker started off his seminar

by holding up a $20.00 bill. In the room of 200, he asked,

“Who would like this $20 bill?”

Hands started going up.

He said, “I am going to give this $20 to one of you

but first, let me do this.

He proceeded to crumple up the $20 dollar bill.

He then asked, “Who still wants it?”

Still the hands were up in the air.

Well, he replied, “What if I do this?”

And he dropped it on the ground

and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe.

He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty.

“Now, who still wants it?”

Still the hands went into the air.

My friends, we have all learned a very valuable lesson.

No matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it

because it did not decrease in value.

It was still worth $20.

Many times in our lives,

we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt

by the decisions we make and

the circumstances that come our way.

We feel as though we are worthless.

But no matter what has happened or

what will happen, you will never lose your value.

Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased,

you are still priceless to those who DO LOVE you.

The worth of our lives comes not in what we do or who we

know,

but by WHO WE ARE.

You are special- Don’t EVER forget it.”

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanksx2 for both laughs Callie
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:07:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/27/2005 4:07:48 AM Central Daylight Time, my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk writes:
LOL I missed that one. Thanks Jasen.

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Callie,

What are you talking about,..Bea is a woman not a bloke…….

Hey,..that joke you sent cracked me up,..thanks

with love, Jasen

Subject: [Ibogaine] Bea.

Can you enlarge your front to size 12 or 14? I can hardly see yours it is so small!
Tanks in advance!
Callie

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated: www.my-eboga.com/network.html.

LMAO!!! I read your post earlier Jasen and could not figure out what you were talking about. Now I see my spelling error!
I just kill myself sometime!
Callie

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings
Date: October 27, 2005 at 10:44:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Girlfriend you can do it.

The rest I say is very opinionated and something I would say to a close friend, so forgive the generalities of the following.

I would suggest you stop battling with using or not. Turn your back on the option of using. disengage from that damn chattering monkey. The more you argue with it the more it can wear you down. Monkeys are very convincing and you have to shut them out. You have made your decision on the course of treatment you are going to pursue and I support you 100%.

Keep your focus on what you want to achieve and white knuckle it if you have to, you can get to the other side of this thing. I did. I had an 8 year IV methamphetamine habit to beat.

I think we all hurt when as we approach divorcing the substance we lean on to get through life.

Pain is a part of life. You can suffer it for now. I know you can. What awaits you after your addiction is worth the pain.

Love,

Mark

I thought I was gonna get through this with no cravings. The fucking monkey
started doing this realy weird thing to me and I had a visualization of
going to the liqiour store and picking up ONE 24 oz bud light. JUST ONE I
can do it.

I’m not going to do it. I refuse to be controlled.

So, I went to the Mindvox website and laughed my ass off at the pictures
page. Then I started crying. I’m done crying now.

Thanks, BTW, for creating that website and this list. I’m feeling a little
confused and can’t quite grasp who created the website, it probably says it
right on the page in really big letters. Whoever you are, I love you. I
hope that’s OK.

Will she do it? I’m on the edge people. I feel like shit. It’s starting
to hurt.

Oh well, it won’t last forever. I’m not going to flip out, lose my mind or
anything like that.

Maybe I should read the Power of Now again. That sounds like a good idea.
Maybe spirit beings will come and save me.

Thanks for listening.

brenda

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cravings
Date: October 27, 2005 at 10:28:08 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m not going to do it. I refuse to be controlled.

So, I went to the Mindvox website and laughed my ass off at the pictures
page. Then I started crying. I’m done crying now.

Will she do it? I’m on the edge people. I feel like shit. It’s starting
to hurt.

Oh well, it won’t last forever. I’m not going to flip out, lose my mind or
anything like that.

Maybe I should read the Power of Now again. That sounds like a good idea.
Maybe spirit beings will come and save me.

Thanks for listening.

brenda

—
Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 27, 2005 at 10:03:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boris,

Thank you for the reply and good information. And
thanks for the links, I’m just starting on my quest
and they will be helpful. Especially, it seems, the
book.

I’m getting really tired of the status quo pandering
from the Medical establishement in this country sing
songing that there is nothing to help with addiction
cravings other than the usual 12 step programs,
psychotherapy, behavior modification, etc. It stands
to reason that they would not consider these drugs
being made available in this country…..there is just
TOO much money to be made from addiction. Courts,
prisons, law enforcement agencies all have a huge
stake in not dowsizing the economic bloodlines they
help perpetuate with their “War on Drugs”. Me thinks
the war they are really waging is not allowing for
consideration, drugs that might possibly work.

Ibogaine is so hopeful, yes, but in reality, treatment
is not easily affordable to most users or their
families as other financial resources. The standard
$5,000 to $20,000 is most certainly beyond our
financial means at this moment as it is to I presume
many others on this list.

It seems that the “craving” is the most difficult part
of recovery. And if a person can get at least a
running start, then other behavior modification
programs have a chance of succeeding.

I watch my son morph from Dr. Jykle to Mr. Hyde when
the “cravings” come upon him. He gets like a freaking
werewolf. Its a very sad thing to witness and I can
only imagine what it must feel like.

Anyway, thank you and I will be contacting you off
list if its OK with you.

Warm regards,

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”). She was ok for 2 months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later.
That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin,
speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would
prescribe it.
I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”). She was ok for 2 months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later.
That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin,
speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would
prescribe it.
I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris

—- Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/05/anti.addiction.drug/
Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
cocaine
As of now, the only treatment for cocaine addicts
is
counseling
August 5, 1998
Web posted at: 10:17 a.m. EDT (1417 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) — An epilepsy drug is showing
promise
as a possible treatment for cocaine addiction,
researchers say.

A decade-long study of the experimental epilepsy
drug
Vigabatrin has shown it to be a powerful tool for
fighting cocaine addition in both baboons and
rats.
Now researchers are hopeful the drug will prove
useful
in fighting addictions in humans as well.

“People addicted to cocaine have a very high
relapse
rate, and we haven’t (had) anything by way of
medication to help them,” explained Dr. Rodney
Burback
of Suburban Hospital in Rockville, Maryland.

Vigabatrin works at combating addiction by
preventing
the “high” and other effects of cocaine in much
the
same way it prevents an epileptic seizure — it
alters
the way brain cells communicate with each other.

As part of their study, researchers gave cocaine
to
rats until they became addicted and continuously
pushed a bar in their cages to get more and more
cocaine. Once Vigabatrin was administered,
researchers
say the rats stopped self-administering the
cocaine.

Unlike other pharmaceutical treatments for drug
addiction, Vigabatrin itself is not addictive.

“It’s not a drug that produces withdrawal. It’s
not a
drug that produces tolerance. In other words, we
don’t
need to give more of it over time to get the same
effect,” explained Dr. Stephen Dewey a
neuroanatomist
at Brookhaven National Laboratory, who led the
research team.
rat
Vigabatrin was successful in helping lab rats get
over
cocaine addiction

Vigabatrin works by increasing levels of a
neurotransmitter in the brain called GABA. High
GABA
levels lead to low levels of another
neurotransmitter
called dopamine, the brain’s “feel good” chemical
that
is at the heart of drug addiction. By lowering
dopamine levels in the brain, cravings for cocaine
can
be stopped.

Researchers studied the brain scans of baboons
before
and after they had taken cocaine. The primates
that
had been given a dose of Vigabatrin before their
cocaine dose showed normal levels of dopamine in
the
brain, compared with those that had not been given
the
epilepsy drug.

Researchers also gave rats cocaine repeatedly over
several days and monitored their tendency to go to
a
place where they had obtained cocaine before. With
Vigabatrin, the rodents did not stay in the place
associated with cocaine but moved around their
cage.

Dewey said the finding was important for people
who
are addicted to cocaine and other drugs because
their
cravings are often sparked by factors such as
seeing
similar-looking substances or a person with whom
they
might have shared drugs.

“Because cocaine addiction is part biochemistry
and
part behavior, these results confirm that it is
possible to attack it on both fronts,” said
Charles
Ashby, a St. John’s University researcher who
worked
on the behavioral part of the study.

This doesn’t mean, however, that Vigabatrin will
have
the same affect on people. Many anti-addiction
drugs
that have succeeded in animals have failed in
human
trials. There may also be side effect. Vigabatrin
has
caused a small number of people to have vision
problems.

In the fall, researchers at Brookhaven National
Laboratory and New York University plan to start a
90-day clinical trial to test the drug’s
effectiveness
on volunteer human cocaine addicts.

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Best regards,
Carol

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Earth to Patrick
Date: October 27, 2005 at 9:18:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jessssss?

Anybody out there from south Florida?

.:vector:.

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 27, 2005 at 9:09:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin (Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up, but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once cravings started they did not go away until she used, which was about once a month. I think the first breakthrough came when she started taking amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book “end your addiction now”). She was ok for 2 months, longer than ever before, than strong cravings were triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to tell all about how much fun he was having using morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks later.
That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she was already improving before that. She’s also made other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating better and not seeing old using friends.. but she made these changes earlier too and that did not help much when the cravings came. One other thing that helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2 months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation. ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin, speed or cocaine) there was not the associated imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the experience of the needle, which made it easier for her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has grown over time and she has distanced herself from everything associated with that part of her life over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped. But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes, determination and support from family and friends in the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would prescribe it.
I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris

NEW YORK (CNN) — An epilepsy drug is showing promise
as a possible treatment for cocaine addiction,
researchers say.

A decade-long study of the experimental epilepsy drug
Vigabatrin has shown it to be a powerful tool for
fighting cocaine addition in both baboons and rats.
Now researchers are hopeful the drug will prove useful
in fighting addictions in humans as well.

“People addicted to cocaine have a very high relapse
rate, and we haven’t (had) anything by way of
medication to help them,” explained Dr. Rodney Burback
of Suburban Hospital in Rockville, Maryland.

Vigabatrin works at combating addiction by preventing
the “high” and other effects of cocaine in much the
same way it prevents an epileptic seizure — it alters
the way brain cells communicate with each other.

As part of their study, researchers gave cocaine to
rats until they became addicted and continuously
pushed a bar in their cages to get more and more
cocaine. Once Vigabatrin was administered, researchers
say the rats stopped self-administering the cocaine.

Unlike other pharmaceutical treatments for drug
addiction, Vigabatrin itself is not addictive.

“It’s not a drug that produces withdrawal. It’s not a
drug that produces tolerance. In other words, we don’t
need to give more of it over time to get the same
effect,” explained Dr. Stephen Dewey a neuroanatomist
at Brookhaven National Laboratory, who led the
research team.
rat
Vigabatrin was successful in helping lab rats get over
cocaine addiction

Vigabatrin works by increasing levels of a
neurotransmitter in the brain called GABA. High GABA
levels lead to low levels of another neurotransmitter
called dopamine, the brain’s “feel good” chemical that
is at the heart of drug addiction. By lowering
dopamine levels in the brain, cravings for cocaine can
be stopped.

Researchers studied the brain scans of baboons before
and after they had taken cocaine. The primates that
had been given a dose of Vigabatrin before their
cocaine dose showed normal levels of dopamine in the
brain, compared with those that had not been given the
epilepsy drug.

Researchers also gave rats cocaine repeatedly over
several days and monitored their tendency to go to a
place where they had obtained cocaine before. With
Vigabatrin, the rodents did not stay in the place
associated with cocaine but moved around their cage.

Dewey said the finding was important for people who
are addicted to cocaine and other drugs because their
cravings are often sparked by factors such as seeing
similar-looking substances or a person with whom they
might have shared drugs.

“Because cocaine addiction is part biochemistry and
part behavior, these results confirm that it is
possible to attack it on both fronts,” said Charles
Ashby, a St. John’s University researcher who worked
on the behavioral part of the study.

This doesn’t mean, however, that Vigabatrin will have
the same affect on people. Many anti-addiction drugs
that have succeeded in animals have failed in human
trials. There may also be side effect. Vigabatrin has
caused a small number of people to have vision
problems.

In the fall, researchers at Brookhaven National
Laboratory and New York University plan to start a
90-day clinical trial to test the drug’s effectiveness
on volunteer human cocaine addicts.

Vigabatrin is already being used in Europe and Canada
to treat epilepsy, but it is not yet available in the
United States.

Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen and Reuters
contributed to

— Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote:

Gamma-Aminobutyric acid mimetic drugs differentially
inhibit the dopaminergic response to cocaine
by
Gerasimov MR, Schiffer WK, Brodie JD,
Lennon IC, Taylor SJ, Dewey SL
Chemistry Department,
Brookhaven National Laboratory,
Upton, NY, USA
Eur J Pharmacol 2000 Apr 28; 395(2):129-135

ABSTRACT

Best regards,
Carol

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Plans
Date: October 27, 2005 at 8:16:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I made an appointment with a therapy clinic and they are going to intake me
tomorrow. The guy that I talked to was so nice and understanding. I feel
so grateful. I laid it out on the line what kind of treatment I am about to
endeavor with no details about with who, where. He said no problem. I told
him that I have had all kinds of spiritual experiences and have communicated
with spirit beings. He said no problem.

I’m taking one more day off work to feel better. I’ve decided I’m ready to
not drink anymore.

I also called our employee assistance program and they are supporting as
well as I detox and get ready to go to treatment. I’m not giving them any
information about what kind of treatment I will be doing.

I do have some more good news. I went to an Orin and Daben meditation
seminar in Ashland, Oregon in August. I got the tapes of the recording the
seminar in the mail yesterday.

A lot of good things are happening. I am going to get through this. I’m
hoping that after I detox some of my spirit friends come back. I miss them.

brenda

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Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Unreal
Date: October 27, 2005 at 5:56:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am trying to refocus. I went to court yesterday and I am getting my license back. The judge was very nice.

When I got home, our phone/dsl was dead. Everyone that uses SBC, Stanford University, everywhere around here has no phone or internet. I found an unprotected network that I am now wirelessly connected to, must be some neighbor. I was very ill this morning and picked up the cell phone to find a doctor and the service was dead. Last night, my boyfriend talked to my AA sponsor and told her to butt out. Then he made me lay down and drink alcohol to shut me up because he did not want to bring me to the hospital.

He was much nicer this AM. I’ve realized that he does not truly love me because he hates himself. That made me kind of scared. He took care of the cell phone bill and I have cell again, his credit card expired and got a new one and did not notify the cell phone company. He took care of it. I called in sick and I am going to see doctor to have care until I leave for my treatment.

I’m not whining. I’m just laying out what I’ve been through in the past day so I can figure out where to go from here. He took the day off to play golf. I’m now afraid of him. I have to take care of myself until I leave. I have to walk on eggshells, I have to be careful. He’s another perpetrator and he controls everything. If I stay here, he sits, drinks and watches TV or read. Every day. Or, he goes to play golf once a week. But, he won’t do anything healthy with me. So, this is what I want:

I want to feel safe
I want to get better
I want to go to work every day
I want to spend more time out in nature
I want a car again
I want to stay sober
I want healthy relationships
I want a doctor

OK. I’m laughing now. Celine Dione singing AC/DC. Oh my lord. I’m really scared. OK, I’m finding a doctor now. I’ll check back.

brenda

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Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 27, 2005 at 5:53:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/05/anti.addiction.drug/
Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
cocaine
As of now, the only treatment for cocaine addicts is
counseling
August 5, 1998
Web posted at: 10:17 a.m. EDT (1417 GMT)