Ibogaine List Archives – 2005-10

From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Alka Selter Gold
Date: October 31, 2005 at 7:54:06 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Went looking for it at Wal-Mart last night and could not find it.  Went to
the Alka-Seltzer website and it says:

” If you have a sensitive stomach, you may want to try Alka- Seltzer Gold.”

I’ll try Walgreens next 🙂

Brenda

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] TINKERBELL SENDS MASSIVE HUGS
Date: October 31, 2005 at 7:22:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Was wondering about her.  Glad she’s doing well.  Can’t wait to hear from her again!  I’m off to have some trick or treating fun.  Hope you all have a great night!

On 10/31/05 3:22 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Hi all!!!
Well, got sick of not hearing from the Tinkerbell, and was worried so I luckily had her dad’s aol name and got a phone number… soooo just had an excellent chat with her and she is DOING GREAT! Just at war with her dad so she doesn’t go to use the computer there lol oh well.
Yeh so she’s working really hard and doing great, still clean n all dat.
She is hoping to be back online NEXT WEEK so yehhhhhhhhhh will be so cool to have our little TINKERBELL from HELL back with us!!!!!
She sends big massive hugs and kisses and is sending loads of light and love to you all :o) And misses ya’s all, for some strange reason….. lol

Luff lite n lafta
Kirky xxxx

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] TINKERBELL SENDS MASSIVE HUGS
Date: October 31, 2005 at 6:22:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all!!!
Well, got sick of not hearing from the Tinkerbell, and was worried so I luckily had her dad’s aol name and got a phone number… soooo just had an excellent chat with her and she is DOING GREAT! Just at war with her dad so she doesn’t go to use the computer there lol oh well.
Yeh so she’s working really hard and doing great, still clean n all dat.
She is hoping to be back online NEXT WEEK so yehhhhhhhhhh will be so cool to have our little TINKERBELL from HELL back with us!!!!!
She sends big massive hugs and kisses and is sending loads of light and love to you all :o) And misses ya’s all, for some strange reason….. lol

Luff lite n lafta
Kirky xxxx

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 31, 2005 at 5:04:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I often wonder what the pot would look like if I planted and tried to grow the seeds I’ve found over the years in some pretty decent pot, and in some not so decent too. I’ve been thinking that perhaps, if I were to take extra time and loving care with the plants as though they were my children, which basically they would be were I not too paranoid to actually grow any plants here at home and don’t travel too well so don’t have anywhere outside of my home where I grow either (in case you’re listening feds- I don’t grow pot, anywhere), would I be able to actually grow decent herb? Or would it automatically sprout as generally yucky herb?
Just curious- I’m not planning on growing herb any time in the near or even fairly far future, at least at this point in time.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested

God I love the South. I wonder if the cops have any good clones that will “disappear” from the evidence room, we sure can’t get any good seeds anymore.               Randy

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] •Happy Halloween!!!•
Date: October 31, 2005 at 12:54:04 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey guys,

Just wanted to wish everyone a safe & happy Halloween!  Hope you all have fun!  I love Halloween!  I can’t wait to get into my costume and go out.  If I get any great pictures I’ll share them here later.  If any of you are getting dressed up and going out, then I hope to see you guys too!

Beatrice

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] The Gabon Connection to CIA leak
Date: October 31, 2005 at 12:02:50 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Why did I just notice that the Valerie Plame leak scandal involves a former ambassador to Gabon???

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 31, 2005 at 12:02:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Kirky rushes out to work so she can buy P’s book…………..
Lol
GOOD shit mate!!!
K

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 November 2005 4:45 a.m.
To: drugwar@mindvox.com; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine

(This is being dropped into the DrugWar.com list mainly because one- it’s
about drugs, so it’s on topic regardless of having not been previously
discussed on DrugWar.com’s email list, and two, because of the second half
of my note here.)

Personally, I found that simple over the counter, chewable orange-flavored
Dramamine was best of anything I tried for my five different occassions to
keep myself from puking from motion sickness.
But that might not be best for someone else, only throwing it out there so
you know there are other options too.
😉
BTW, I got the first copy of my new book on Friday (which I think I’ve
already mentioned) and have to once again note how ecstatic I am at how
fancy dancy it turned out looking, how chock full of really cool articles,
from the ultra-loopy to the ultra-academic, most everyone controversial in
some way or another (and DrugWar.com’s subscribers Sharon Secor and Robert
Merkin both have articles in this anthology I’m happy to say, both of the
articles only making the book that much better, more complete, by their
inclusion.)

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine

Dr. Tom,

Would you happen to be in the Bay Area?

brenda

On 10/30/05 8:21 PM, “tomo7@starband.net” <tomo7@starband.net> wrote:

Re: Homeopathics  vs. nausea:

For easing the nausea and queasy stomach side of your Ibogaine travel,
homeopathic Nux Vomica is great at a 12C or 30C, dosing as needed with
intervals of an hour or two.  Another great one for anti-nausea and
vomiting is Ipecacuana 6C or 12C.  For people working through a lot of
fear and dread before or during “travel”, consider low dose Arsenicum
Album at 12C or 30C.

These homeopathic remedies are very effective and yet safe tools to help
with those problems. They seem to work well with some people and little
or not at all for others.  Humans are wierd, and everywhere else in the
galaxy, we know it.

Also, the ginger capsules don’t need to have added sugar to really help
with settling the stomach before and during “liftoff”. A straight
capsule of powdered Jamaican Ginger is wonderful for the jittery stomach
during phase one.  Many of us are touchy with sugar effects anyway, so
adding that variable to the oncoming kalidoscope isn’t always so
helpful.

Dr. Tom

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 31, 2005 at 10:44:58 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

(This is being dropped into the DrugWar.com list mainly because one- it’s about drugs, so it’s on topic regardless of having not been previously discussed on DrugWar.com’s email list, and two, because of the second half of my note here.)

Personally, I found that simple over the counter, chewable orange-flavored Dramamine was best of anything I tried for my five different occassions to keep myself from puking from motion sickness.
But that might not be best for someone else, only throwing it out there so you know there are other options too.
😉
BTW, I got the first copy of my new book on Friday (which I think I’ve already mentioned) and have to once again note how ecstatic I am at how fancy dancy it turned out looking, how chock full of really cool articles, from the ultra-loopy to the ultra-academic, most everyone controversial in some way or another (and DrugWar.com’s subscribers Sharon Secor and Robert Merkin both have articles in this anthology I’m happy to say, both of the articles only making the book that much better, more complete, by their inclusion.)

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History”
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine

Dr. Tom,

Would you happen to be in the Bay Area?

brenda

On 10/30/05 8:21 PM, “tomo7@starband.net” <tomo7@starband.net> wrote:

Re: Homeopathics  vs. nausea:

For easing the nausea and queasy stomach side of your Ibogaine travel,
homeopathic Nux Vomica is great at a 12C or 30C, dosing as needed with
intervals of an hour or two.  Another great one for anti-nausea and
vomiting is Ipecacuana 6C or 12C.  For people working through a lot of
fear and dread before or during “travel”, consider low dose Arsenicum
Album at 12C or 30C.

These homeopathic remedies are very effective and yet safe tools to help
with those problems. They seem to work well with some people and little
or not at all for others.  Humans are wierd, and everywhere else in the
galaxy, we know it.

Also, the ginger capsules don’t need to have added sugar to really help
with settling the stomach before and during “liftoff”. A straight
capsule of powdered Jamaican Ginger is wonderful for the jittery stomach
during phase one.  Many of us are touchy with sugar effects anyway, so
adding that variable to the oncoming kalidoscope isn’t always so
helpful.

Dr. Tom

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From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] the addiction
Date: October 31, 2005 at 10:30:01 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston, what makes it hard to watch?

Mark

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] the addiction
Date: October 30, 2005 at 10:52:36 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>

“We gain our habit trying to escape our existance, until our habit becomes our existance,” or words to this effect.
I’m watching “The Addiction.” What a brilliant freakin’ movie, but hard to watch when out of drugs.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 31, 2005 at 10:21:15 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dr. Tom,

Would you happen to be in the Bay Area?

brenda

On 10/30/05 8:21 PM, “tomo7@starband.net” <tomo7@starband.net> wrote:

Re: Homeopathics  vs. nausea:

For easing the nausea and queasy stomach side of your Ibogaine travel,
homeopathic Nux Vomica is great at a 12C or 30C, dosing as needed with
intervals of an hour or two.  Another great one for anti-nausea and
vomiting is Ipecacuana 6C or 12C.  For people working through a lot of
fear and dread before or during “travel”, consider low dose Arsenicum
Album at 12C or 30C.

These homeopathic remedies are very effective and yet safe tools to help
with those problems. They seem to work well with some people and little
or not at all for others.  Humans are wierd, and everywhere else in the
galaxy, we know it.

Also, the ginger capsules don’t need to have added sugar to really help
with settling the stomach before and during “liftoff”. A straight
capsule of powdered Jamaican Ginger is wonderful for the jittery stomach
during phase one.  Many of us are touchy with sugar effects anyway, so
adding that variable to the oncoming kalidoscope isn’t always so
helpful.

Dr. Tom

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] the addiction
Date: October 31, 2005 at 9:27:03 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/closetohome/html/show5.html

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/closetohome/html/movie2.html

— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

“We gain our habit trying to escape our existance,
until our habit becomes our existance,” or words to
this effect.
I’m watching “The Addiction.” What a brilliant
freakin’ movie, but hard to watch when out of drugs.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for
enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation
Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to
Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and
Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.
The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them.
-Al Einstein.

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From: <tomo7@starband.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 30, 2005 at 11:21:15 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>, <beatriceblue@cox.net>, <HSLotsof@aol.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Re: Homeopathics  vs. nausea:

For easing the nausea and queasy stomach side of your Ibogaine travel,
homeopathic Nux Vomica is great at a 12C or 30C, dosing as needed with
intervals of an hour or two.  Another great one for anti-nausea and
vomiting is Ipecacuana 6C or 12C.  For people working through a lot of
fear and dread before or during “travel”, consider low dose Arsenicum
Album at 12C or 30C.

These homeopathic remedies are very effective and yet safe tools to help
with those problems. They seem to work well with some people and little
or not at all for others.  Humans are wierd, and everywhere else in the
galaxy, we know it.

Also, the ginger capsules don’t need to have added sugar to really help
with settling the stomach before and during “liftoff”. A straight
capsule of powdered Jamaican Ginger is wonderful for the jittery stomach
during phase one.  Many of us are touchy with sugar effects anyway, so
adding that variable to the oncoming kalidoscope isn’t always so
helpful.

Dr. Tom

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] the addiction
Date: October 30, 2005 at 10:52:35 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“We gain our habit trying to escape our existance, until our habit becomes our existance,” or words to this effect.
I’m watching “The Addiction.” What a brilliant freakin’ movie, but hard to watch when out of drugs.
😉

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My Experiences
Date: October 30, 2005 at 10:50:39 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I would love to hear.
Not sure if I said lately that I kicked a 263mg/day methadone addiction with Iboga/ine couple of years ago.  I have been blessed to be at the right place at the right time at a very crossroads type moment in my life.  I was fine and ok with being on methadone the rest of my life.  I was productive, great realationship etc.  I still fully support methadone treatment as an option, but getting the prescribed medication if arrested is the problem.  Got popped with a poss Under 2 oz. charge for ONE joint.  That is what started this great big distraction that is called kicking 263mg.  I can honestly say Iboga/ine helps allot.  But it wasn’t untill a year that I started physically not feeling that cold-burn (although subtle still there, I am happy to say that is completely gone now i.e. I don’t feel the opiate sickness anymore ’cause my recepters have finally adapted back to normal levels.   Iboga/ine’s biggest advantage is it seems to readjust perspective, and etc…

I do know what you mean as not wanting to taint others experience and I hope I haven’t done that with writing the above stuff.  Because I’m not the shining textbook example of how all this recovery stuff is suppossed to be.

It’s a process.

Look forward to reading any insite anyone can share.

cheers,
Jason

Hey guys,

Quite a few people have asked me about my experiences.  So I thought I’d finally write it all out and post it, if you guys want me too.  They are really a long story.  The first person who asked me asked about my first experience in particular.  I started to write it out for her, but then felt like it wasn’t really what she needed.  Hearing all the craziness and failure surrounding my first experience, because I don’t really consider my first time my first time.  When/If I write about it you’ll understand what I mean.  Didn’t really want to effect others by telling my full experiences, thought I’d rather just give highlights, advice and pointers so as not to interfere with something that is a personal journey.  If some of you would really like to know, tell me and I’ll post about it here.  Then I guess you can make the choice to either read it or not.  But it will definitely take me a few days to write it all out.  Crazy, amazing stories each time.  Anything anyone wants to know specifically?

Love ya all…
Beatrice

Yahoo! FareChase – Search multiple travel sites in one click.

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] My Experiences
Date: October 30, 2005 at 10:18:42 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey guys,

Quite a few people have asked me about my experiences.  So I thought I’d finally write it all out and post it, if you guys want me too.  They are really a long story.  The first person who asked me asked about my first experience in particular.  I started to write it out for her, but then felt like it wasn’t really what she needed.  Hearing all the craziness and failure surrounding my first experience, because I don’t really consider my first time my first time.  When/If I write about it you’ll understand what I mean.  Didn’t really want to effect others by telling my full experiences, thought I’d rather just give highlights, advice and pointers so as not to interfere with something that is a personal journey.  If some of you would really like to know, tell me and I’ll post about it here.  Then I guess you can make the choice to either read it or not.  But it will definitely take me a few days to write it all out.  Crazy, amazing stories each time.  Anything anyone wants to know specifically?

Love ya all…
Beatrice

From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: [DrugWar] US: On Docket: Religious Freedom vs. Drug Laws
Date: October 30, 2005 at 9:44:43 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Richard Lake <rlake@mapinc.org> wrote:
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:20:28 -0500
To: drugwar@mindvox.com, DPFT-L@listserv.tamu.edu
From: Richard Lake <rlake@mapinc.org>
Subject: [DrugWar] US: On Docket: Religious Freedom vs. Drug Laws

Newshawk: JimmyG
Pubdate: Mon, 31 Oct 2005
Source: Christian Science Monitor (US)
Copyright: 2005 The Christian Science Publishing Society
Contact: http://www.csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/encryptmail.pl?ID=CFF0C5E4
Website: http://www.csmonitor.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/83
Author: Warren Richey, The Christian Science Monitor
Related: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/04-1084.html
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/topics/hoasca

ON DOCKET: RELIGIOUS FREEDOM VS. DRUG LAWS

The Supreme Court Takes Up a Case Involving a New Mexico Sect That
Could Be Important for Other Minority Religions.

WASHINGTON – In a case with potential important significance for
minority religious groups in America, the US Supreme Court this week
takes up a clash between the nation’s drug laws and a statute
protecting religious liberty.

At issue in the case set for oral argument Tuesday is the scope of
the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). The law requires
the federal government to justify any measure that substantially
burdens a person’s ability to practice his or her religion.

But what happens when a religious ceremony requires consumption of a
drug outlawed under the Controlled Substances Act? That is the
essence of the dispute in a case called (UDV).

Although the case involves the use of drugs, how the high court
resolves the matter could have an impact on a wide array of religious
groups in the United States that depend on a robust defense of
religious liberty to practice their faith free of government
interference. If the nation’s drug laws are found to trump religious
protections, other laws might also be applied in ways that
substantially erode religious freedom, legal analysts say.

On the other hand, if religion may be invoked to easily bypass the
nation’s criminal laws, that could greatly complicate and undermine
federal law-enforcement efforts, analysts say.

The case involves a religious sect of 130 members based in New
Mexico. The group, adherents of the Brazil-based religion UDV,
believes the use of sacramental tea in its ceremonies helps them
connect with God. Consumption of the tea is the central ritual act of
their faith. Some analysts liken it to the consecration of wine at a
Roman Catholic mass or serving unleavened bread at a Passover Seder.

The problem is that the tea, made from two sacred plants found in the
Amazon region of Brazil, contains a hallucinogenic substance banned in the US.

When US narcotics agents discovered this, they confiscated the
group’s supply of the sacramental tea as an illegal drug and barred
them from importing any more from Brazil. The group sued, claiming
the government was infringing on their religious rights by blocking a
fundamental aspect of their religious worship and threatening to
prosecute them should they continue to use the sacramental tea.

A federal judge and federal appeals court agreed with the group and
issued a preliminary injunction against the government. The court
ordered the government to accommodate the UDV members by allowing
them a religious exemption from the drug laws. The courts ruled that
such actions were necessary under RFRA.

Government’s Case

In appealing to the Supreme Court, the Bush administration argues
that the government has a compelling interest in the uniform
enforcement of the nation’s drug laws.

Congress determined that a categorical ban on this hallucinogenic
substance was required to help protect the health and safety of
Americans, including the followers of UDV, from detrimental effects,
government lawyers say. “Religious motivation does not change the
science,” writes Solicitor General Paul Clement in his brief to the court.

The government also argues that a categorical ban is needed to
prevent diversion of the drug into America’s illicit recreational
drug market. And it is necessary to comply with international
treaties banning all trafficking in narcotics and psychotropic substances.

Lawyers for the religious group counter that Congress passed RFRA
after it passed the Controlled Substances Act and that since RFRA
applies to all federal law, it requires the government to make
religious accommodations even from criminal drug laws when individual
accommodations are deemed appropriate after a careful case-by-case review.

For example, Congress has created an exemption for the religious use
of peyote by native Americans, they say.

“The government’s successful accommodation of the sacramental use of
peyote, also a [banned] Schedule I substance, belies its claim that
such substances require a categorical ban, even for religious use,”
Nancy Hollander, an Albuquerque lawyer representing the UDV, writes
in her brief.

Ms. Hollander accuses the government of playing fast and loose with
the facts in claiming there are adverse health effects to the group’s
use of sacramental tea. She says the only study of sacramental tea
use “found no significant health concerns.”

On the potential for diversion for recreational drug use, she says
use of the tea is tightly controlled during ceremonies, and
consumption of the tea outside such ceremonies is considered
sacrilegious. Hollander adds that there hasn’t been a US conviction
for attempting to traffic the hallucinogenic substance contained in
the tea in 27 years.

She says the government’s argument concerning international treaties
is also flawed. The treaty doesn’t apply to sacramental tea, she
says, and other treaties signed by the US require signatory
governments to respect and accommodate religious practices.

Other Groups Weighing In

Although the New Mexico sect has only 130 members, the case has
attracted the attention of a large cross section of religious groups
expressing concern about the case. They include the Baptist Joint
Committee, the National Association of Evangelicals, Agudath Israel
of America, the Minaret of Freedom Institute, the Sikh Coalition, and
The First Church of Christ, Scientist, in Boston, which publishes
this newspaper.

In an appendix to a friend-of-the-court brief supporting the UDV, the
Christian Science Church said in part: “Although The First Church of
Christ, Scientist, supports the legal arguments made in this brief,
neither the church nor the theology of Christian Science supports the
use of drugs or any other material substances as an aid or pathway to
spirituality or a greater understanding of God.”

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unevolved
Date: October 30, 2005 at 8:06:25 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow!  I also follow her and her teachings, but no one ever knows whom I’m speaking of.  I’m so sad I will not be able to see her and contribute this year!

On 10/30/05 2:03 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi ron…

Hope you are having a good weekend.  I am stressing about a project that I have long been procrastinating on, and now this week the push comes to shove.  I feel almost ready to commit “career suicide” by dropping out of an upcoming national conference, and that is not a fun feeling.

Anyway, I wish you all the best in your healing process.  I have really gotten a lot out of Julie Ross’ books on nutraceutical supplements for detox.

We are also looking forward to the upcoming U.S. visit of our teacher, Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, aka “Ammachi” the so-called Hugging Saint, who will be in the SF Bay area from Nov 17-22 and the Detroit over the weekend after Thanksgiving.  In the summer tour most of the programs are free, in the fall they are almost half retreats which cost a few hundred bucks or so.  And I know you are near neither place.  But I thiought I would put the info out there as we can all use the blessings of Saints at certain points in our god-given lives.  The Indian website is amritapuri.org <http://amritapuri.org>  and the U.S. one is ammachi.org <http://ammachi.org> .  See “tours,” or also click on local satsangs to see if there are any devotees near where you live.

Blessings and love,

Rachel

On 10/30/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
PLEASE, NO APOLOGIES, I HAVE A PLETHORA OF CHARACTER DEFECTS THAT I WILL NOT DEFEND AS THEY ARE BASELESS AND IRRATIONAL,  I WORK DILIGENTLY ON MAKING THEM GO AWAY, ALBEIT IT NEVER SHOWS. SELF PITY, CENTEREDNESS’ , TWISTED EGO, ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS. YOUR CRITIQUE IS WELL TAKEN AND TRUE….WAIT, SMACKS OF TRANSACTIONAL ANALYSIS’S,
I’M OK, YOU’RE NOT AND SO ON. I’M TRYING. ONE SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE PERSON MAKE.  PLEASE BRING IT ON AS I NEED IT. THANKS, KOKO
NOR DOES IT MAKE A WHOLE PERSON WHO WAS 56 YRS. IN THE MAKING WHOLE.  i TRY W/ MY PALTRY RESOURCES, BETTER THAN SOME, LESS THAN OTHERS,  LOST MY FEELINGS SECOND TIME I DID TIME, BUT THAT’S A DEAD HORSE NOW, MUST MOVE FORWARD.  PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL ME, I HAVE TO GET BETTER OR I WILL DIE. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN. RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi  <mailto:freedomroot@gmail.com>
To: rwd3@cox.net ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] unevolved

Dear Ron,

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.  Nor for that message to go to the wholelist like that.  But since it did, I’ll send my apology wholesale as well.

Love,

Rachel

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 7:53:55 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

BTW, what a horrible day for a New Yorker to have a birthday.  Wow.  Happy late birthday anyway.

On 10/30/05 4:40 PM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Seen them a few times before, but the best was last year out in the middle of a desert for a 2 day open air festival called Coachella.  Gang Of Four, NIN (first show again in years), New Order, Prodigy, Bravery, Mercury Rev, Weezer, Coldplay, Amp Fiddler, and about 100 other bands played, but the pinnacle for me was of course Bauhaus.  It was late at night, very dark and windy in the middle of nowhere.  Peter Murphy opened the show being lowered from the stage’s lighting upside down, very Vampire-like, and stayed hung there like that, singing Bela Lugosi’s Dead upside down for the whole song.  Then they did all sorts of early stuff which a lot of the people in the crowd either weren’t as familiar with or were too young for (with me singing along showing my age).  I filmed the whole show, it was really great.  Even performed a Tones on Tail song.  Can’t wait to see them again Tuesday!  Have fun on the 11th Preston!

On 10/30/05 2:17 PM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> no Sept. 11 is my birthday- I said it was a “late” birthday present- I got
> the tickets handed me on Sept. 11 for my birthday, but we can’t use them
> until Nov. 11 ’cause that’s when Bauhaus is playing.
> ;-))
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
>
>
>> Your birthday is the 11th of november???
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 4:59 p.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
>> Earth
>>
>> Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
>> seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back
>> on
>> Sept. 11 for the show.
>>    We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
>> third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
>> show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
>>    That was quite a night.
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: Beatrice Blue
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
>> Earth
>>
>>
>> I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
>> week!!!  Very excited!
>>
>> On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival
>> Research
>> Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know
>> if
>> they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live???  Been waiting
>> years!
>>
>> On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the
>> lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we
>> can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots.
>> Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.
>> Randy
>>
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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 7:40:29 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Seen them a few times before, but the best was last year out in the middle of a desert for a 2 day open air festival called Coachella.  Gang Of Four, NIN (first show again in years), New Order, Prodigy, Bravery, Mercury Rev, Weezer, Coldplay, Amp Fiddler, and about 100 other bands played, but the pinnacle for me was of course Bauhaus.  It was late at night, very dark and windy in the middle of nowhere.  Peter Murphy opened the show being lowered from the stage’s lighting upside down, very Vampire-like, and stayed hung there like that, singing Bela Lugosi’s Dead upside down for the whole song.  Then they did all sorts of early stuff which a lot of the people in the crowd either weren’t as familiar with or were too young for (with me singing along showing my age).  I filmed the whole show, it was really great.  Even performed a Tones on Tail song.  Can’t wait to see them again Tuesday!  Have fun on the 11th Preston!

On 10/30/05 2:17 PM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> no Sept. 11 is my birthday- I said it was a “late” birthday present- I got
> the tickets handed me on Sept. 11 for my birthday, but we can’t use them
> until Nov. 11 ’cause that’s when Bauhaus is playing.
> ;-))
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston Peet
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
>
>
>> Your birthday is the 11th of november???
>>
>> —–Original Message—–
>> From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 4:59 p.m.
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
>> Earth
>>
>> Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
>> seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back
>> on
>> Sept. 11 for the show.
>>    We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
>> third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
>> show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
>>    That was quite a night.
>>
>>
>> Peace and love,
>> Preston
>>
>>
>> —– Original Message —–
>> From: Beatrice Blue
>> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
>> Earth
>>
>>
>> I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
>> week!!!  Very excited!
>>
>> On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival
>> Research
>> Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know
>> if
>> they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live???  Been waiting
>> years!
>>
>> On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the
>> lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we
>> can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots.
>> Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.
>> Randy
>>
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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kill Me
Date: October 30, 2005 at 6:08:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boy, I can identify with what you just wrote. Time doesn’t heal all wounds. This is even hard to type but…..there are a few occasions that were and still are really painful to me and sometimes they start playing in my head like a movie and it overwhelms me TOTALLY! I have to literally out loud say STOP!! Sometimes that won’t even stop ‘the movie’ from playing in my head. Don’t know if that makes sense to anybody else but I think my using was to drown out all that pain and bullshit that was my doing. I can handle bullshit that other people caused but the shit that was my fault still hurts. I hurt my children so bad. I am so fuckin lucky that we have good relationships now. I know I fucked them up in the head a little though.

Randy, I am so happy for your year clean. I bet it does feel good!! I know I really appreciated the encouragement you gave me right after your Ibo session. I was just too scared to give it a go. I will sometime though.

Good to see your post. You always add substance to the list.
Callie

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] b-days
Date: October 30, 2005 at 5:33:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohhh got ya!!  Oh.  Not a nice reminder huh? My daughter is 11/11 if anyone
is into the numbers thing…. at 12:12 am.  I was born 12/12.  not at 12:12
am lol. More like dawn.  Take that mother!!! Hehheh
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, 31 October 2005 11:17 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

no Sept. 11 is my birthday- I said it was a “late” birthday present- I got
the tickets handed me on Sept. 11 for my birthday, but we can’t use them
until Nov. 11 ’cause that’s when Bauhaus is playing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Your birthday is the 11th of november???

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 4:59 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
Earth

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back
on
Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet
Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
week!!!  Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival
Research
Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know
if
they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live???  Been waiting
years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com>
wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the
lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we
can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots.
Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.
Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 5:17:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

no Sept. 11 is my birthday- I said it was a “late” birthday present- I got the tickets handed me on Sept. 11 for my birthday, but we can’t use them until Nov. 11 ’cause that’s when Bauhaus is playing.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Your birthday is the 11th of november???

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 4:59 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back on
Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
week!!!  Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival Research
Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know if
they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live???  Been waiting
years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the
lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we
can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots.
Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.
Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 5:15:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I meant, seeing Bauhaus again, not 8-Bit again.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back on Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming week!!!  Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival Research Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know if they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live??? Been waiting years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things. Randy

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unevolved
Date: October 30, 2005 at 5:03:56 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi ron…

Hope you are having a good weekend.  I am stressing about a project that I have long been procrastinating on, and now this week the push comes to shove.  I feel almost ready to commit “career suicide” by dropping out of an upcoming national conference, and that is not a fun feeling.

Anyway, I wish you all the best in your healing process.  I have really gotten a lot out of Julie Ross’ books on nutraceutical supplements for detox.

We are also looking forward to the upcoming U.S. visit of our teacher, Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, aka “Ammachi” the so-called Hugging Saint, who will be in the SF Bay area from Nov 17-22 and the Detroit over the weekend after Thanksgiving.  In the summer tour most of the programs are free, in the fall they are almost half retreats which cost a few hundred bucks or so.  And I know you are near neither place.  But I thiought I would put the info out there as we can all use the blessings of Saints at certain points in our god-given lives.  The Indian website is amritapuri.org and the U.S. one is ammachi.org.  See “tours,” or also click on local satsangs to see if there are any devotees near where you live.

Blessings and love,

Rachel

On 10/30/05, Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
PLEASE, NO APOLOGIES, I HAVE A PLETHORA OF CHARACTER DEFECTS THAT I WILL NOT DEFEND AS THEY ARE BASELESS AND IRRATIONAL,  I WORK DILIGENTLY ON MAKING THEM GO AWAY, ALBEIT IT NEVER SHOWS. SELF PITY, CENTEREDNESS’ , TWISTED EGO, ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS. YOUR CRITIQUE IS WELL TAKEN AND TRUE….WAIT, SMACKS OF TRANSACTIONAL ANALYSIS’S,
I’M OK, YOU’RE NOT AND SO ON. I’M TRYING. ONE SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE PERSON MAKE.  PLEASE BRING IT ON AS I NEED IT. THANKS, KOKO
NOR DOES IT MAKE A WHOLE PERSON WHO WAS 56 YRS. IN THE MAKING WHOLE.  i TRY W/ MY PALTRY RESOURCES, BETTER THAN SOME, LESS THAN OTHERS,  LOST MY FEELINGS SECOND TIME I DID TIME, BUT THAT’S A DEAD HORSE NOW, MUST MOVE FORWARD.  PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL ME, I HAVE TO GET BETTER OR I WILL DIE. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN. RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: rwd3@cox.net ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] unevolved

Dear Ron,

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.  Nor for that message to go to the wholelist like that.  But since it did, I’ll send my apology wholesale as well.

Love,

Rachel

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unevolved
Date: October 30, 2005 at 3:34:33 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PLEASE, NO APOLOGIES, I HAVE A PLETHORA OF CHARACTER DEFECTS THAT I WILL NOT DEFEND AS THEY ARE BASELESS AND IRRATIONAL,  I WORK DILIGENTLY ON MAKING THEM GO AWAY, ALBEIT IT NEVER SHOWS. SELF PITY, CENTEREDNESS’ , TWISTED EGO, ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS. YOUR CRITIQUE IS WELL TAKEN AND TRUE….WAIT, SMACKS OF TRANSACTIONAL ANALYSIS’S,
I’M OK, YOU’RE NOT AND SO ON. I’M TRYING. ONE SESSION DOES NOT A WHOLE PERSON MAKE.  PLEASE BRING IT ON AS I NEED IT. THANKS, KOKO
NOR DOES IT MAKE A WHOLE PERSON WHO WAS 56 YRS. IN THE MAKING WHOLE.  i TRY W/ MY PALTRY RESOURCES, BETTER THAN SOME, LESS THAN OTHERS,  LOST MY FEELINGS SECOND TIME I DID TIME, BUT THAT’S A DEAD HORSE NOW, MUST MOVE FORWARD.  PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CALL ME, I HAVE TO GET BETTER OR I WILL DIE. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN. RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: rwd3@cox.net ; ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:43 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] unevolved

Dear Ron,

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.  Nor for that message to go to the wholelist like that.  But since it did, I’ll send my apology wholesale as well.

Love,

Rachel

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] My own update!
Date: October 30, 2005 at 3:03:17 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nice to hear from you although we’ve never been introduced. i remember some of your posts, ron….be well—– Original Message —–
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] My own update!

Hello everyone!

I haven’t been around for a few months as I’ve been skint and couldn’t afford my internet connection.  I was shocked to hear about Sean-I hope he’s at peace wherever he is.

This year’s been hard-bit of an emotional rollercoaster for me but ain’t it always?!  I hope you’re all good.  I’m ‘clean’!!!  [Recoil in shock!!!]  Did my rattle over 4 days on Methadone-25ml,20ml,15ml and 10ml.  It was hell.  That was 16 weeks ago.  I have dabbled since a couple of times (the first I forgot how much your tolerance drops n had to be brought round 3 times-everyone beware!)  I still think about it n when I’m down its what I think of but hell, no-ones perfect!  Preferring my acid n K at moment.  I’m on Naltrexone though I have to admit  haven’t taken it for a while.

Went travelling round Czech a few weeks ago.  Went to CzechTek which is a Tekno festival kinda thing.  Several rigs, all legal but ‘they’ sent the riot police in anyway-1000s in shiny new G8 summit gear, tear gas, water cannons, guns, disorientation grenades, even a fucking tank!  Against a bunch of hippies.  They killed 2 people-ran one over while he slept in his tent and kicked the shit out of another.  Madness!  Had couple of big demos in Prague.  It was great though.  Now I just want my license and van and run away!

Oh and I’ve got a puppy-he’s so much fun though he’s destroyed he contents of my flat and is making my other dog’s life a misery!

I’ve put on about a stone since getting off the gear and I really hate that. I do have an amazing social life now though-that was the first thing I discovered.  If I sat around bored I just couldn’t stay away from the gear so I went out constantly.

Anyway, I hope everyone’s ok and taking care,

Loads of love Hannah x

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night
Date: October 30, 2005 at 2:25:18 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PRESTON:AT YOUR CONVENIENCE, PLEASE SEND THIS WANNA BE CHARMER A LIST OF YOUR PUBLICATIONS IN PRINT   SO I can score and claim credit at next cocktail party for writing them under a pseudonym. Yeah and monkees will fly out my ass before that will happen but it’s a looooooongshot.  Thanks, wanna read ’em anyway. Can handle going over the saddle horn but have learned to smile while it’s going down. .. All off list so everyone can’t confirm what they already know about me i.e.  how shallow I am.. This is the Bible Belt so it may fly. muchas gracias mi hermano. ron, with thanks. if not up to it , no apology neccesary. you are good for the whole and i appreciate it as i am certain othersdo as well.  ron.
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night

Jack Cole, one of the founders of LEAP, submitted an article to my first book, Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, explaining why he and so many other law enforcement officers are against the entire idea of a war on some drugs and users. He came to the book release party, which was interesting, having this former sheriff hanging out where I was most definitely doing a lot of pot smoking and shroom eating.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night

Heard this story hyped a bit on the run-ups to The Situation Room on msnbc, but it got buried by the emerging Cheney scandal and the passing of Civil Rights activisit, Rosa Parks.  Don’t know anything about LEAP, but I like that he confesses at the end (Preston!) that “the drug war has failed.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813660/

CARLSON:  Welcome back.
While violent crime may be at historic lows in America, the number of arrests for drug abuse violations has more than quadrupled since 1970. Last year, more than a million and a half drug-related arrests were made.
My next guest has a solution:  Make drugs legal.  And not just pot and cocaine; he wants to legalize meth and heroin, as well.
Norm Stamper is the former police chief in Seattle.  He’s written a book about his 34 years on the force, called “Breaking Rank:  Top Cop’s Expose of the Dark Side of American Policing.”
He joins us now live from New York.
Mr. Stamper, thanks a lot for coming on.
NORM STAMPER, AUTHOR, “BREAKING RANK”:  Thank you.  Thank you very much.
CARLSON:  Now, here’s the part I don’t get.  I am completely for and have been for a long time decriminalizing most drugs, because then you still have legal leverage over people who go over the line, who can’t control themselves right, who abuse drugs, and that isn’t good for society, as you know.
What’s the argument for legalizing drugs?
STAMPER:  Well, when you consider that this is a war, declared back during the Nixon administration, that has been prosecuted by seven successive presidents, and those statistics of the type that you just cited continue to roll in predictably year after year after year, I think we need to conclude that the war on drugs has not been successful.
CARLSON:  No, it’s not working.  But why legalization?  Why is that the answer?
STAMPER:  That’s, I think, the important question.  Legalization would have the effect of regulating drug trafficking.  It would take drug trafficking out of the hands of the black market.
It would impose standards.  It would—the reason kids, for example, are able to score drugs so easily is because dealers don’t card them.
CARLSON:  Right.
STAMPER:  If we were to regulate all drugs, take it off the black market, we would then see government licensees who don’t want to lose their licenses, insisting that people be 21 years of age to purchase drugs.
CARLSON:  Well, wait a second.  I mean, you were a cop for more than 30 years.  You know, kids have no problem getting alcohol or getting cigarettes.
STAMPER:  They have a…
CARLSON:  Isn’t that the problem?  I mean, there would be more drugs if they were legal.  That’s pretty common sense.  I’ve heard libertarians argue the opposite, but that’s garbage, and you know it.  There would be more drugs.
STAMPER:  No, I’m going to side with the libertarians on that.
CARLSON:  How does that work?  Once they’re legal, and anyone can get them, there will be fewer drugs?
STAMPER:  Twenty years old and up…
CARLSON:  Right.
STAMPER:  … those individuals can get drugs under the plan that I would propose.  The problem today is that kids know that they can score tobacco, they can score a six pack of beer much more—it’s much more difficult to purchase tobacco and alcohol than it is to purchase half a lit of marijuana.
CARLSON:  Yes, maybe.  Yes, maybe pot.  But, I mean, still, the arrival kid, certainly the average middle class kid, literally the average kid in America, is not exposed to heroin.  He’s just not.  It’s just not everywhere.
I mean, there are pockets of heroin used in the Pacific Northwest and other parts of the country, but the average person doesn’t come across heroin very often.  He comes across beer, because it’s in every convenience store.
So you would all of a sudden have heroin in every neighborhood.  How could that be good?
STAMPER:  I’m not sure that we would have heroin in every neighborhood. What I do know is that taking the drugs off the black market would give government an opportunity to control them and to exercise responsibility over those licensees so that, if there are any fractions, they can be dealt with effectively and aggressively.
CARLSON:  But then you have a scenario—I mean, I think you’re partly right. But then you also have a scenario with a moral cost.  You have government profiting from the addictions of its citizens.  And that’s an ugly place to be, isn’t it?
STAMPER:  Well, an even uglier place to be, it seems to me, is to have drug traffickers monopolizing all the funds that are associated with this illicit commodity.  The commodity’s not going to go away.  It never has. It never will.
So if we want to begin to make sense of the drug scene and government’s response to drugs, it seems to me logical that we would impose these standards and enforce them rigorously.
CARLSON:  You’ve gotten—the most controversial line, I thought, in the op-ed that you wrote summarizing your position on this, you used the phrase “responsible drug use.”  Few people have the brass, frankly, to come out and say that.  I completely agree with you.
There can be responsible drug use.  Not everyone becomes a dope fiend after using dope.  But there are some drugs like heroin where there aren’t really recreational users of heroin, or not so many.  I mean, it’s physically addictive after a while.
So what’s the justification for that, heroin?
STAMPER:  Well, so is alcohol to an alcoholic.
CARLSON:  Not to that extent.
STAMPER:  Alcohol, certainly, causes more problems than all other drugs combined.
CARLSON:  Right.  But a person who has—who drinks beer on 10 successive nights is not likely to become an alcoholic.  The person who shoots heroin 10 successive days will be addicted to heroin.
STAMPER:  Well, I don’t think somebody who drinks a lot of beer 10 successive nights has probably got drinking problem.
I belong to an organization called LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.  And a growing number of police officers have come to the realization that they’re just shoving against the tide, that this drug war has failed.
If we want to make our communities healthier, if we want to make them safer, and, indeed, if we want to make sure that our children are shielded from drugs, it’s far better to have those drugs peddled, if you will, by government licensed agents as opposed to traffickers on the streets.
CARLSON:  All right, Norm Stamper, former chief of police of the city of Seattle.  Thanks for joining us tonight.
STAMPER:  Thank you.

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From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Kill Me
Date: October 30, 2005 at 2:18:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I used to say “kill me” all the time. I know now that I meant it. It was always a joke when I said it but, looking back I know that subconsciously I really meant for somebody to put me outta my misery. It’s been over a year since I did my treatment and I haven’t had this much time clean in a whole lotta years. Time doesn’t heal ALL wounds just some of them. I was just reminded what an asshole I was to my ex wife by my son and I am as hurt right now as I have been since I quit drinking all that cheap ass vodka years ago. That’s what all those dull ass needles and the cheapest vodka I could find was all about. I was punishing myself. Sometimes I still feel like I need to suffer some more. It doesn’t matter how much I try and help people with their pain when it comes to dealing with my own. God knows that I have tried to help, I just haven’t tried to help myself enough. I’m dumping my feelings here because I can’t get to my therapist and besides, I asked Patrick if it was allergist to do that here and he laughed and said, ” There are no rules for the list just try and not be an asshole.” Well, nobody’s perfect. Sometimes I am, sometimes I’m not. Anyway, I’m on my way back to KY to restart my life once again. I have a good job and my ducks are all in a row. I can’t believe that chaos hasn’t ensued in my plans yet. Maybe this time I will succeed in being a normal human being. NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, that aint me. Fuck it, I’ll make noise about Ibogaine, work hard, and do what comes natural for me. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fuckin’ HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, help, I’m a bull dozer operator.     “I’m a flea bit painted monkey, all my friends are junkies. That’s not really true.”                Yes it is.                       Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 30, 2005 at 1:16:56 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

with my track record,  none necessry, but thanks for the kind thoughts, i’m dosing
1/2 w/’bad. i hope it lasts to stay afloat  for session.  providers are GREAT.  koko. kind thoughts to all. and thanks for tolerance. P.S.  this stuff,  either IBO or previous lifestyle left me in shambles, I’m 56 and whew, 3 weeks recovery for this wuss. i d/n factor that in and it was a recipe for failure.  Hey, got a great idea, follow doc’s advice next time. Off list me if interested for the gore. Defer for the wise ones and i’ll leave the tude at the door next time.    RON , AGAIN

1 i’m in harm’s way
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:07 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!

Phew.  I would like to apologize to everybody…I probably don’t need to
but getting ready for my journey and then facing a breakup with Scott is a
bit overwhelming.  I’m aware that I can focus on joshing around with my
co-workers and serving our customers in and totally awesome way – I do
have to acknowledge what is happening – My heart is breaking.

I had a revolutionary thought today.  When he picks me up from work I’m
going to tell him that I will never put him through any more shit ever,
ever again.  Wether we stay together or not.  He got upset because after I
tried to cold turkey and had an anxiety attack when he saw me drink again
he basically said – oh god, it’s starting again.  i think i better leave.

and that breaks my heart.  not that he would leave but that i put him
through hell.  noone deserves that.

but let’s focus on the positive!  my time off got approved!  i was going
to call in sick if for some reason it didn’t but I HAVE 3 VACATION DAYS!
then 2 holidays.  and 2 weekend days the weekend before and the weekend
after.  woo hoo!

brenda 🙂

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 30, 2005 at 12:04:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Your birthday is the 11th of november???

—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 4:59 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m
seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back on
Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a
third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the
show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming
week!!!  Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival Research
Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know if
they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live???  Been waiting
years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the
lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we
can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots.
Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.
Randy

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 30, 2005 at 12:01:10 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Funny, we do the same thing.  Except it’s on the refrigerator.  With a list in the center that has all their names, descriptions, likes/dislikes, and habits on it.  Plus vet & emergency info of course.  We travel a lot, so it’s posted there for the same reason.

On 10/29/05 8:54 PM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

I’ll “find” photos of them all, including Tigo, and post them tomorrow- V has all their photos on the kitchen cupboards for when we have others over to feed them on the rare occasions we’re outta town for the night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —–

From:  Beatrice  Blue <mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net>

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:00  PM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Do you have a  picture of Tigo-boo???  It’s funny, Preston, but I was in NYC for awhile  last year, and was really homesick for my cats.  A certain mutual Greek  friend told me about you and your cats, but I ended up at Dana’s for my cat  fix.  I also almost met you again while our mutual friend was here in San  Diego visiting me again this past March.  Guess you were supposed to be  out here, but weren’t.  Gosh, I don’t remember now.  Some  reason.

On 10/29/05 9:53 AM, “Preston Peet”  <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> Re:  [Ibogaine] post a picI was so distracted by your smile I didn’t even
>  notice the humoungeous cat(s) in the photo, particularly the calico,
>  “Patch,” apparently a gargantuan cat, bigger even than our own Tigo-boo, who
> weighs in at nearly 20 pounds (one of our 9 cat friends currently  sharing
> our home)/
>   Thanks for posting such  delightful photos.
>
>
> Peace and love,
>  Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for  enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard  Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under  the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground-  The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing  Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times  mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New  York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
>  From: Beatrice Blue
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Friday,  October 28, 2005 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
>
>
> LOL  The calico is named Patch, but we call her Kitty  Cow or Chubby
> Checkers.  She’s HUGE!  The white one was a  stray that we named Papa (he
> came with 4 tiny, baby kittens that he  was protecting, we found homes for 2
> of the babies).  He had his  whole jaw/face broken, so couldn’t close his
> mouth or one eye  completely.  His name was actually Pachunqui, which may be
> spelt  wrong, but is Spanish slang for crooked face.  Became shortened to
> just Papa.  He was just a REALLY big framed cat.  We lost  him not that long
> ago to cancer.  They are the biggest of the  lot.  For comparison, I’m 5′ 2″
> (on a good day) and 120 lbs.   I, like a lot of you, have a ton of cats.  My
> husband and  I care for abused and abandoned cats, and work with the Feral
> Cat  Coalition and the Shelters.  Patch was battered as a kitten.  We  have 18
> cats (ok guys, I heard the collective gasp).  They are  all part of the
> family and loved dearly.
>
> On 10/28/05  8:31 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
>  And OMG.. how big are those cats?????????????  Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a
> special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
> K
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
>  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
> To:  ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
>
> My turn???  This is me!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/22/05 5:23 PM,  “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
> I do like  to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was
> a  while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on
>  her….I am a grandma!
> Callie
>
>
>
> Here  is  Callie!
>
>
> Charlie and Callie a  few  years ago!
>
>
>
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:59:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet EarthI’m seeing them on the 11th, a late birthday present- V gave me tickets back on Sept. 11 for the show.
We got to see them on their last tour ON my birthday, when they added a third date which just happened to be on my birthday and I heard about the show and added date while seeing Siouxie with Budji and John Cale.
That was quite a night.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming week!!!  Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival Research Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know if they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live???  Been waiting years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things. Randy

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:54:53 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ll “find” photos of them all, including Tigo, and post them tomorrow- V has all their photos on the kitchen cupboards for when we have others over to feed them on the rare occasions we’re outta town for the night.

Peace and love,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

Do you have a picture of Tigo-boo???  It’s funny, Preston, but I was in NYC for awhile last year, and was really homesick for my cats.  A certain mutual Greek friend told me about you and your cats, but I ended up at Dana’s for my cat fix.  I also almost met you again while our mutual friend was here in San Diego visiting me again this past March.  Guess you were supposed to be out here, but weren’t.  Gosh, I don’t remember now.  Some reason.

On 10/29/05 9:53 AM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> Re: [Ibogaine] post a picI was so distracted by your smile I didn’t even
> notice the humoungeous cat(s) in the photo, particularly the calico,
> “Patch,” apparently a gargantuan cat, bigger even than our own Tigo-boo, who
> weighs in at nearly 20 pounds (one of our 9 cat friends currently sharing
> our home)/
>   Thanks for posting such delightful photos.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Beatrice Blue
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
>
>
> LOL  The calico is named Patch, but we call her Kitty Cow or Chubby
> Checkers.  She’s HUGE!  The white one was a stray that we named Papa (he
> came with 4 tiny, baby kittens that he was protecting, we found homes for 2
> of the babies).  He had his whole jaw/face broken, so couldn’t close his
> mouth or one eye completely.  His name was actually Pachunqui, which may be
> spelt wrong, but is Spanish slang for crooked face.  Became shortened to
> just Papa.  He was just a REALLY big framed cat.  We lost him not that long
> ago to cancer.  They are the biggest of the lot.  For comparison, I’m 5′ 2″
> (on a good day) and 120 lbs.  I, like a lot of you, have a ton of cats.  My
> husband and I care for abused and abandoned cats, and work with the Feral
> Cat Coalition and the Shelters.  Patch was battered as a kitten.  We have 18
> cats (ok guys, I heard the collective gasp).  They are all part of the
> family and loved dearly.
>
> On 10/28/05 8:31 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
> And OMG.. how big are those cats?????????????  Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a
> special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
> K
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
>
> My turn???  This is me!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
> I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was
> a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on
> her….I am a grandma!
> Callie
>
>
>
> Here is  Callie!
>
>
> Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Feeling positive?
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:30:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks, Rachel, for the Mac tip.  Haven’t checked it all out yet, but I will.
Also, if the Gold works for you, let me know please, Brenda.  Then I can pass on the advice to the friend I mentioned before.
-Beatrice

On 10/29/05 8:19 PM, “shakti@photon.net” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Rachel.  I got back onto my Abraham-Hicks list where we talk about
> “moving up the emotional scale” and little ways we can find better feeling
> thoughts until we attrtact more and more and then we are feeling better.
>
> Physically, I feel a lot better but still in some pain and having tremors
> way inside.  But, I worked an 11 hour day today!  I’ve got 45 min to go.
> It has been a great way to get out of the “sick house” and get back into a
> healthy routine.
>
> My BF asked me to remind him that he needs to stop and get some Tylenol on
> the way home – maybe I’ll pick up some Gold 🙂  If I find it when we stop
> I’ll let you know how it did.
>
> kisses,
>
> brenda
>
>
>
>> Brenda…
>>  I was thinking of you the other day when I was reading my favorite
>> nutraceutical book by Julie Ross. In her “detox box” she suggested that
>> folks coming off alcohol especially might want to try to de-acidify their
>> bodies by taking some Alka-Seltzer Gold. I dunno why the “gold” brand —
>> maybe to remind you how special and unique and precious you are?
>>  NP (now playing) in my brain, Godspell… the ending bit of that
>> song…”day by day by day by day by day…”
>>  Take it Cheesey! – rachel
>>  p.s. I had to watch the stream on Jeff’s pc – there were instructions on
>> downloading some kind of plug-ins or something for Mac, but I think people
>> who didn’t have like OS 10.3 or higher were screwed.
>>
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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Feeling positive?
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:19:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks, Rachel.  I got back onto my Abraham-Hicks list where we talk about
“moving up the emotional scale” and little ways we can find better feeling
thoughts until we attrtact more and more and then we are feeling better.

Physically, I feel a lot better but still in some pain and having tremors
way inside.  But, I worked an 11 hour day today!  I’ve got 45 min to go.
It has been a great way to get out of the “sick house” and get back into a
healthy routine.

My BF asked me to remind him that he needs to stop and get some Tylenol on
the way home – maybe I’ll pick up some Gold 🙂  If I find it when we stop
I’ll let you know how it did.

kisses,

brenda

Brenda…
I was thinking of you the other day when I was reading my favorite
nutraceutical book by Julie Ross. In her “detox box” she suggested that
folks coming off alcohol especially might want to try to de-acidify their
bodies by taking some Alka-Seltzer Gold. I dunno why the “gold” brand —
maybe to remind you how special and unique and precious you are?
NP (now playing) in my brain, Godspell… the ending bit of that
song…”day by day by day by day by day…”
Take it Cheesey! – rachel
p.s. I had to watch the stream on Jeff’s pc – there were instructions on
downloading some kind of plug-ins or something for Mac, but I think people
who didn’t have like OS 10.3 or higher were screwed.

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Feeling positive?
Date: October 29, 2005 at 11:14:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda…

I was thinking of you the other day when I was reading my favorite nutraceutical book by Julie Ross.  In her “detox box” she suggested that folks coming off alcohol especially might want to try to de-acidify their bodies by taking some Alka-Seltzer Gold.  I dunno why the “gold” brand — maybe to remind you how special and unique and precious you are?

NP (now playing)  in my brain, Godspell… the ending bit of that song…”day by day by day by day by day…”

Take it Cheesey!  – rachel

p.s. I had to watch the stream on Jeff’s pc – there were instructions on downloading some kind of plug-ins or something for Mac, but I think people who didn’t have like OS 10.3 or higher were screwed.

From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Feeling positive?
Date: October 29, 2005 at 7:22:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

I guess hopeful would be a better word.  Trying to focus on everything
working   out, my time off work working out, my plane ticket, which I got
and everything else despite a couple of drawbacks that have occured.

But, I would drink over that sort of thing before and now I am saying –
everything’s gonna be all right!  I hope.  I hope everything works out in
the logistical way my reality is telling me it needs to or I won’t get
there.

OK – everything will work out!  And, I guess you could say I’ve found a
weird relationship with this upcoming journey like “a higher power” would
be my looking forward to going to my session.  Hopefully, I’ll feel that
way about myself soon.  I think it’s OK  for right now.

brenda

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:56:38 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hehheh yup just like walking into a doggie doodoo.

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:55 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

LMMFAO!!!  Thanks!  I step right into that one, didn’t I?  Looks like I will have to dust that ol’ PC off then.


On 10/29/05 2:49 PM, “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net> wrote:
Get a PC?

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:45 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Any suggestions for us Mac users then?  :-(


On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.  

 http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out.  (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!)  They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa.  (?!)  

Enjoy!


On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe


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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:55:14 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMMFAO!!!  Thanks!  I step right into that one, didn’t I?  Looks like I will have to dust that ol’ PC off then.

On 10/29/05 2:49 PM, “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net> wrote:

Get a PC?

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:45 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Any suggestions for us Mac users then?  :-(


On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.  

 http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out.  (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!)  They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa.  (?!)  

Enjoy!


On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe


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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:54:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You know this is why I LOVE this place! Everybody is just soooo damn helpful!!!!!  It’s soooo heart warming to see :o)

From: Kirk [mailto:captkirk@clear.net.nz] 
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:51 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

ROFLMAO
From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:matt@itsupport.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:50 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Get a PC?
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:45 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Any suggestions for us Mac users then?  :-(


On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.  

 http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out.  (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!)  They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa.  (?!)  

Enjoy!


On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:
awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe


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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:50:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ROFLMAO
From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:matt@itsupport.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:50 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Get a PC?
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:45 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Any suggestions for us Mac users then?  :-(


On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.  

 http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out.  (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!)  They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa.  (?!)  

Enjoy!


On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:
awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe


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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:50:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes. Get rid of the Mac.
heehee
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2005 10:45 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth

Any suggestions for us Mac users then?  :-(


On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.  

 http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out.  (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!)  They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa.  (?!)  

Enjoy!


On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:
awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe


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From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:49:53 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Get a PC?
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:45 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading PlanetEarth

Any suggestions for us Mac users then?  :-(


On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:
Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.  

 http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out.  (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!)  They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa.  (?!)  

Enjoy!


On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:
awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe


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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:45:17 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Any suggestions for us Mac users then?  🙁

On 10/29/05 2:36 PM, “Eye of the Bhogi” <freedomroot@gmail.com> wrote:

Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.

http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out.  (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!)  They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa.  (?!)

Enjoy!

On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 5:36:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Speaking of concerts, SBC-Yahoo is streaming the Vegoose music festival at Sam Boyd Arena (UNLV) for free.

http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/sbc/mainstage/mainstage.html

Our favorite post-grateful dead band, the String Cheese Incident, will be playing at 2:45 p.m. Pacific time for about an hour and a half if y’all wanna check it out.  (The video doesn’t seem to work to well on Macs, Howard and other appley compadres!)  They’ll be going on hiatus for six months while the mandolin/fiddle virtuoso … goes to Africa.  (?!)

Enjoy!

On 10/29/05, jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more
than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:47:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Beatrice Blue wrote:
I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming week!!!  Very excited!

awww.. i’m jealous!  i’d love to see em, but fifty bux is a bit more than i can spend on a concert right now…  ehe

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:45:44 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know this is off topic, but at least I do get to see Bauhaus this coming week!!!  Very excited!

On 10/29/05 11:40 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival Research Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know if they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live???  Been waiting years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.                     Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:40:50 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, I’d like to see them too!  I’d also like to see the Survival Research Laboratories.  Has anyone heard of them?  Know anything about them, know if they even still perform, or WHERE I can see them live???  Been waiting years!

On 10/29/05 5:10 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.                     Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:04:38 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Why, thank you very much!  LOL

On 10/29/05 9:50 AM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

Holy mackeral Beatrice, if I weren’t in a steady relationship, I’d be wracking my brains on how and where and when we could actually meet face to face to discusses dysfunctionality and such.
What a knock out you look in this photos. You are a real beatiful example of what we can be as people if we just allow it/us to be.
Or something like that- what I’m saying is you’re a hottie, in the stricktest of platonic terms of course.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Oct. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–

From:  Beatrice  Blue <mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net>

To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:05  PM

Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
My turn???  This is  me!!!!

On  10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com>  wrote:

I do like to know  who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back!  While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a  grandma!
Callie

Here is   Callie!

Charlie and Callie a  few years  ago!
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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 2:00:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do you have a picture of Tigo-boo???  It’s funny, Preston, but I was in NYC for awhile last year, and was really homesick for my cats.  A certain mutual Greek friend told me about you and your cats, but I ended up at Dana’s for my cat fix.  I also almost met you again while our mutual friend was here in San Diego visiting me again this past March.  Guess you were supposed to be out here, but weren’t.  Gosh, I don’t remember now.  Some reason.

On 10/29/05 9:53 AM, “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> Re: [Ibogaine] post a picI was so distracted by your smile I didn’t even
> notice the humoungeous cat(s) in the photo, particularly the calico,
> “Patch,” apparently a gargantuan cat, bigger even than our own Tigo-boo, who
> weighs in at nearly 20 pounds (one of our 9 cat friends currently sharing
> our home)/
>   Thanks for posting such delightful photos.
>
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
>
> “Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
> mistaken for madness”
> Richard Davenport-Hines
>
> ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
> Editor http://www.drugwar.com
> Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
> Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
> Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
> Cont. High Times mag/.com
> Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
> Columnist New York Waste
> Etc.
>
> —– Original Message —–
> From: Beatrice Blue
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
>
>
> LOL  The calico is named Patch, but we call her Kitty Cow or Chubby
> Checkers.  She’s HUGE!  The white one was a stray that we named Papa (he
> came with 4 tiny, baby kittens that he was protecting, we found homes for 2
> of the babies).  He had his whole jaw/face broken, so couldn’t close his
> mouth or one eye completely.  His name was actually Pachunqui, which may be
> spelt wrong, but is Spanish slang for crooked face.  Became shortened to
> just Papa.  He was just a REALLY big framed cat.  We lost him not that long
> ago to cancer.  They are the biggest of the lot.  For comparison, I’m 5′ 2″
> (on a good day) and 120 lbs.  I, like a lot of you, have a ton of cats.  My
> husband and I care for abused and abandoned cats, and work with the Feral
> Cat Coalition and the Shelters.  Patch was battered as a kitten.  We have 18
> cats (ok guys, I heard the collective gasp).  They are all part of the
> family and loved dearly.
>
> On 10/28/05 8:31 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>
>
> And OMG.. how big are those cats?????????????  Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a
> special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
> K
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
> To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
>
> My turn???  This is me!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
> I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was
> a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on
> her….I am a grandma!
> Callie
>
>
>
> Here is  Callie!
>
>
> Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!
>
>
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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:46:47 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I know THAT Greek dude!  Tell him I said to slow down for you and I love him!  He wanted to know what that stuff was too, tell him for me ok, Randy?

On 10/29/05 6:02 AM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

Beatrice, thank you for the link. I will look into this stuff for my future Ibo session to quit smoking. Now if I could only find this Greek dude I know and get him to slow down long enough to treat me, (outta the states of course), I will let you know how it worked for me.   Randy

From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:27:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

ahhaha. one of my roommates played a show with 8-Bit here in b-more. =)

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/entertainment/content.php?bid=792&aid=24
by Preston Peet (Posted at Hightimes.com Oct. 27, 2005)
“Does anyone have a joint?” called out Le-Frost, the one “female” robot of the gangster rap robot foursome, 8-Bit, to the crowded room at CBGB’s gallery downstairs back in July, 2005. This gave my girlfriend, DJ Ness, the excuse to approach them on more than a “gosh golly, I’m such a gushing fan” basis and proceed to light them up with some of the best Strawberry Cough marijuana New York City has to offer. I myself earned a call out from the stage by the rappers one night later at the club Lit in Manhattan’s East Village, for having also smoked out the band, throwing a bit of Afghan hashish into the mix. This group’s members either smoke as much herb as they can, or they support those members who smoke as much herb as they can.
Two months later, more than a thousand bands converged on NYC, Sept. 14-17, for the CMJ Music Marathon (College Media Journal), mainly up and coming bands that are trying to draw attention, make a lot of noise, and get themselves signed. The band that I was most looking forward to seeing and hearing was 8-Bit, performing self-described “old school Nintendo rap.” This band is dangerous, assaulting the senses with graphic lyrics and extremely original beats and mixes, over which the four rap their robot hearts out while simultaneous putting every drug and drink into their bodies as possible.
Their official CMJ appearance was performed at Cake Shop in Manhattan’s Lower East Side, on September 16, filling the room with enthusiastic fans and several record label representatives, among them Epitaph and Geffen Records. Their second, unofficial CMJ gig was booked by DJ Ness at the Slipper Room, for the following night, at 2AM. With slightly goofy but fun choreography, the robots took the stage, periodically making their way into the crowd, rapping lyrics to songs like “Suck Ma Dick,” “Eatin’ Cat,” “I-Deez,” and “Jerry Juice,” among many others, turning the oddest, most mundane topics into instant classics of rap. Spacey-K, Anti-Log, Le-Frost and Robo-T, agreed to an in-depth interview but it turned into me chasing the various members around trying to get answers from extremely fucked up robots now wearing their people suits. They claim that they landed on our planet back in 2002 after their own planet, the Digital Planet, was destroyed in the “Analog Wars,” when Analog took over, and now they make their temporary home in Highland Park, California, the “taco-truck capital of the world.” Le-Frost does their choreography, Spacey-K and Robo-T create the beats, and the raps and rhymes are a collaborative effort.
Among recent accomplishments, 8-Bit recently remixed Beck’s “Hell Yes,” which became an iTune’s Number One download for a short while in early 2005. “The song we did for Beck is ‘Ghettochip Malfunction/Hell Yes’ and it’s going to be the next release for his album,” Anti-Log tells me. “They are shooting the video right now and it will be on MTV, MTV2, and Fuse. It will also be on like every radio station on the planet. In a month, every person who reads this article will know the song but not necessarily know that we did it.” (This is because 8-Bit did not obtain a contract before recording their remix, a remix specifically requested by Beck, and in turn will not get credited for their work on the song.) The rappers were also nominated in the 2005 LA Weekly Music Awards as “Best Hip Hop/Rap Artist” too. Despite these triumphs, the band tells me “we are the same robots we’ve always been and we always will be no matter how famous we eventually become.” They tell me they have no trouble handling “all the groupies,” mainly dealing with them “while we create our music,” which must add something special to the recording sessions. Putting out their music through their own label, Ninjastar Records (ninjastarrecords.com), they’re almost always on the road, claiming they never actually practice, “as we’re always on stage somewhere playing, so we really don’t have to practice, because we are literally always playing.”
Preferring their natural form as robots then to when they must don their people suits, no matter what form they’re taking, the band tells me they are “always” working on a new record, the next one to be titled “Chrome.” And they tell me they “really are as inebriated as we appear,” although Anti-Log did have to ask me what “inebriated” meant, slurring a bit from both alcohol and the invited beating he took from a fan with a beer bottle handed to the fan by Anti-Log himself during the show. “Drugs and blowjobs” are their main focus, after their music of course, and this band can fucking party. Claiming that they are the only rapping gangster robots, they warn me to alert my readers that if they ever see or hear other robots, particularly rapping robots, to be aware that these are only posers, that 8-Bit are the only genuine article, and I’m willing to buy that. Not normally a major rap fan, I’m seriously taken with this band, both with their music and their attitude towards life on this planet. They mix hard-driving, relentlessly powerful beats and rhythms with hilarious lyrics that rip on the absurd and ridiculous around us in modern society.
They tell me that in their opinion, “prohibition of alcohol didn’t work. It created violence and corruption at a staggering scale. Marijuana prohibition doesn’t work either. Just hang out with damn near anyone and they will happily produce a bag. Criminalizing a
harmless drug while backing and marketing pharmaceuticals that harm people more than help them is an oxymoronical joke. The 8-bit robots don’t subscribe to the drug policy of the US because it’s illogical. Robots don’t understand and reject illogical information.”
I myself am an old hand at doing drugs and staying out all night, but even I, a professional, had to really work hard to keep up with these young robots. Since DJ Ness had booked the Slipper Room show, we delighted in taking 8-Bit about the town afterwards, first to our own home, then to another apartment where we could all drink, snort drugs, smoke weed and watch the sun rise from the most beautiful patio imaginable.
After their CMJ adventures, 8-Bit intends to return to take on NYC as soon as possible.
PS: They’ll need a place to stay.
Peace and love,
Preston Peet
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Sudden Adult Death syndrome(any similarities to ibogaine deaths?)
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:14:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There has been a few cases where healthy people have just dropped dead
for no apparent reason.  I don’t know if you recall the football
player for Cameroon who just dropped dead on the pitch a few years
ago.  It’s might be caused by an abnormality in the heart which
appears under physical or emotional stress.

http://www.bhf.org.uk/questions/index.asp?secondlevel=1182&thirdlevel=1421

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:53:17 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Re: [Ibogaine] post a picI was so distracted by your smile I didn’t even notice the humoungeous cat(s) in the photo, particularly the calico, “Patch,” apparently a gargantuan cat, bigger even than our own Tigo-boo, who weighs in at nearly 20 pounds (one of our 9 cat friends currently sharing our home)/
Thanks for posting such delightful photos.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

LOL  The calico is named Patch, but we call her Kitty Cow or Chubby Checkers.  She’s HUGE!  The white one was a stray that we named Papa (he came with 4 tiny, baby kittens that he was protecting, we found homes for 2 of the babies).  He had his whole jaw/face broken, so couldn’t close his mouth or one eye completely.  His name was actually Pachunqui, which may be spelt wrong, but is Spanish slang for crooked face.  Became shortened to just Papa.  He was just a REALLY big framed cat.  We lost him not that long ago to cancer.  They are the biggest of the lot.  For comparison, I’m 5′ 2″ (on a good day) and 120 lbs.  I, like a lot of you, have a ton of cats.  My husband and I care for abused and abandoned cats, and work with the Feral Cat Coalition and the Shelters.  Patch was battered as a kitten.  We have 18 cats (ok guys, I heard the collective gasp).  They are all part of the family and loved dearly.

On 10/28/05 8:31 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

And OMG.. how big are those cats?????????????  Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
K

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn???  This is me!!!!

On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie

Here is  Callie!

Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:50:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Holy mackeral Beatrice, if I weren’t in a steady relationship, I’d be wracking my brains on how and where and when we could actually meet face to face to discusses dysfunctionality and such.
What a knock out you look in this photos. You are a real beatiful example of what we can be as people if we just allow it/us to be.
Or something like that- what I’m saying is you’re a hottie, in the stricktest of platonic terms of course.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Oct. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.
—– Original Message —–
From: Beatrice Blue
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn???  This is me!!!!

On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie

Here is  Callie!

Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!
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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:02:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/29/2005 4:48:40 AM Central Daylight Time, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:
Isn’t that 3 billion????

duh! yes! Sorry, I can be such a dumb ass at times!

From: shelley krupa <skrupa20022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 29, 2005 at 10:36:09 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi ALL ,I know some providers use powdered ginger in capsules, another that is easily accessible,love shell

Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:
Howard,

Thanks.  Had you heard of this before???  All I know is it worked!  I’d used the benedryl and other options before, but I’m quite susceptible to vomiting when I take hallucinogenic.  During another, previous session with Ibogaine, my therapist came to where I was doing it, to talk with my provider and see what it was all about while I was under.  She came in and saw me while I was having a particularly long, violent vomiting period.  She says she felt sorry for me and I remember her stroking my head, saying very motherly, soft things to me.  I also remember thinking to myself, ‘It’s really ok.  I could care less if I’m throwing up.’  But I couldn’t express that to her at the time.  Later I told her that while that was happening, I was so into my ‘trip’ that the vomiting really was no big deal at all for me.  MUCH different than my experiences with any other substance that’s given me that side effect.  But, not vomiting at all the last time was nice.  Nice for me to not have to deal with it while under, and nice for my provider to not have to clean it up, of course.  I highly recommend the Boiron.  They sit under your tongue and have a slight sweet taste to them.

Beatrice

On 10/28/05 7:48 PM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Beatrice,

Boiron is a French company producing homeopathic medications.   I found an interesting page on nux vomica.   I always find the historical pages of interest.

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/strychnos-nux.html

Howard

In a message dated 10/28/05 10:07:02 PM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard.  Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess.  I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military.  I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness.  When I heard that I thought it was worth a try.  The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica.  If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

If you’d like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers.  Just don’t have time to sit here and do it this second.  I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session.  Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you don’t need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because it’s so empty.  And soooo tiny!  Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal!  Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

Yahoo! FareChase – Search multiple travel sites in one click.

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 29, 2005 at 9:02:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Beatrice, thank you for the link. I will look into this stuff for my future Ibo session to quit smoking. Now if I could only find this Greek dude I know and get him to slow down long enough to treat me, (outta the states of course), I will let you know how it worked for me.   Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 29, 2005 at 8:20:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

God I love the South. I wonder if the cops have any good clones that will “disappear” from the evidence room, we sure can’t get any good seeds anymore.               Randy

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: [DrugWar] Re: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 29, 2005 at 8:10:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: drugwar@mindvox.com

SEEEEEEEEEEEEE you have all the fun while us mortals have to watch all the lizards in the world make decisions about what to take, smoke, eat, who we can fuck, and where we can lay our heads down. I wanna see these robots. Anybody who works for Beck has got to be on top of things.                     Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:48:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Isn’t that 3 billion????

On 10/28/05 10:24 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

This happened Monday here in Nashville. Cops said that Electric Company tipped them off because 2 bedroom home had $500.00 or more electric bill each month for two years.

The plants were beautiful! The house looked like the house I have dreamed of having for years!! He evidently had different rooms for different aged plants. Had plants hanging in kitchen to dry.

Neighbors said they NEVER seen anyone coming or going from home but plants were well taken care of by hydroponic watering system and grow lights on timers.

They recently passed a new law here that you have to pay taxes on illegal drugs you have when you are busted. They are estimating he will pay 3,000,000,000.00

(yes million!!) in taxes!! Poor guy!

Callie

 

Owner of house arrested on numerous drug charges

Police found 526 marijuana plants and about 5 pounds of marijuana at a house on Cathy Jo Circle in south Nashville yesterday morning, according to court records.

Also found at the house was a set of digital scales, boxes of plastic bags, grow lights, timers, power sources, a surveillance camera and a box of chemicals, according to police warrants. The house contained a felony amount of drugs, according to the warrants.

The house is owned by Jeremy Paul Motz, 30, although he did not live there, and the house contained only drugs — no signs that someone lived there, according to the warrants. Motz faces a number of charges, including manufacturing a controlled substance and possession with intent to sell.

Police also searched Motz’s residence on Aster Drive, about a mile away from the other house. Inside, they found a set of digital scales, three glass pipes, a glass bong and a plate with white residue, according to warrants. Police also said they found a small bag of marijuana.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] HUGE marijuana house found and owner arrested
Date: October 29, 2005 at 1:24:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This happened Monday here in Nashville. Cops said that Electric Company tipped them off because 2 bedroom home had $500.00 or more electric bill each month for two years.
The plants were beautiful! The house looked like the house I have dreamed of having for years!! He evidently had different rooms for different aged plants. Had plants hanging in kitchen to dry.
Neighbors said they NEVER seen anyone coming or going from home but plants were well taken care of by hydroponic watering system and grow lights on timers.
They recently passed a new law here that you have to pay taxes on illegal drugs you have when you are busted. They are estimating he will pay 3,000,000,000.00
(yes million!!) in taxes!! Poor guy!
Callie

Owner of house arrested on numerous drug charges
Police found 526 marijuana plants and about 5 pounds of marijuana at a house on Cathy Jo Circle in south Nashville yesterday morning, according to court records.
Also found at the house was a set of digital scales, boxes of plastic bags, grow lights, timers, power sources, a surveillance camera and a box of chemicals, according to police warrants. The house contained a felony amount of drugs, according to the warrants.
The house is owned by Jeremy Paul Motz, 30, although he did not live there, and the house contained only drugs — no signs that someone lived there, according to the warrants. Motz faces a number of charges, including manufacturing a controlled substance and possession with intent to sell.
Police also searched Motz’s residence on Aster Drive, about a mile away from the other house. Inside, they found a set of digital scales, three glass pipes, a glass bong and a plate with white residue, according to warrants. Police also said they found a small bag of marijuana.

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:39:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t think I’m clinically depressed anymore.  It was just my first day
off the alcohol.  I’ve still got the tremors but the Doc gave me some Ativan
so they are better.  I think after a good night’s sleep I’ll feel better.

brenda

On 10/28/05 5:08 AM, “Luke Christoffersen” <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
wrote:

Also sceletium is a very good fast acting herb for depression.  I
found it along with l-tyrosine to be one of the faster acting natural
mood lifters.

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hi Brenda,

I don’t think l-glutamine would be particularly effective for depression.
If you want to use amino acids for depression, try 5-htp (100mg 3 times a
day) and l-tyrosine (1 gram 3 times a day) in combination. Take a good B
vitamin with them (with 50mg B3 and B6), and a multimineral. l-glutamine with
that lot won’t hurt.
Take the lot 3 times a day, an hour before a meal.

Good St Jonn’s wort is also very good. Get the tincture it is absorbed better
and faster. Usual dosage is 2mg 3 times a day.
Sam-e is another good one, but is a bit expensive. Some people have
apparently started using it instead of the 5-htp/l-tyrosine combination, as
it does the job of both.
Oh, and l-theanine is a great alternative to l-glutamine.

As I mentioned in another post, I have found Damiana tea helpful for mild
depression also.

But if you are clinically depressed, I hope you’re getting some help. I have
not been reading all the posts, so have not read what you previously wrote
about your situation..

take care and good luck!
Boris


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:37:58 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yehhh see?  It just took the right questions etc to get me to do what I did….and for what happened.. man it has been an extremely weird couple of days!@!!!  Gremlins n ghosts in the computer!  Tried re signing up with four email addresses!! Lol I was locked out!!!
And the worst thing… hearing that damn message was still in here!! Hahahahaha!!
Oh boy
Glad it’s over!!
Geez
Trust me to break something round here.. such a clutz LOL
Kirk
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 5:34 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

THANK YOU, PATRICK & KIRSTY!!!!  Now I’m glad I brought it up again!  I haven’t had any bounce backs at all!  AND you’re back!  SOOOO  nice!


On 10/28/05 5:45 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:
Please direct all thanks, flowers, chocolates, medals etc to our beloved Patrick.
:o)

From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:43 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

YIPPEE!!!  YOU FIXED IT!!!  YAAAYYYY!!!

Don Patton wrote: 
Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE???      ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!

Kirk wrote: 
AM I BACK???????????????????????????

From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:33:56 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THANK YOU, PATRICK & KIRSTY!!!!  Now I’m glad I brought it up again!  I haven’t had any bounce backs at all!  AND you’re back!  SOOOO  nice!

On 10/28/05 5:45 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Please direct all thanks, flowers, chocolates, medals etc to our beloved Patrick.
:o)

From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:43 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

YIPPEE!!!  YOU FIXED IT!!!  YAAAYYYY!!!

Don Patton wrote: 
Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE???      ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!

Kirk wrote: 
AM I BACK???????????????????????????

From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 29, 2005 at 12:15:16 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Looking at some of their products containing the Nux Vomica.  I see they have a liquid version with eye dropper also.  That might be even better.  I used one of the unit dosages.  You turned the top of the tube and it automatically distributes 4 tiny granules, which was one dose.  Popped them under the tongue and voila!

On 10/28/05 7:48 PM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Beatrice,

Boiron is a French company producing homeopathic medications.   I found an interesting page on nux vomica.   I always find the historical pages of interest.

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/strychnos-nux.html

Howard

In a message dated 10/28/05 10:07:02 PM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard.  Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess.  I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military.  I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness.  When I heard that I thought it was worth a try.  The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica.  If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

If you’d like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers.  Just don’t have time to sit here and do it this second.  I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session.  Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you don’t need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because it’s so empty.  And soooo tiny!  Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal!  Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:59:23 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PS – Kirsty, you do look like the Mona Lisa.  Beautiful!

On 10/28/05 8:30 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

Aww cool, I came back just in time!
Wicked girl! You got it going on!! Lol
Nice to see ya!
(Wishing now she had cut a photo out of a glossy mag geez lol)
Kirsty :o)

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn???  This is me!!!!







On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie
  
    
   
  Here is  Callie!
    
   
  Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:52:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL  The calico is named Patch, but we call her Kitty Cow or Chubby Checkers.  She’s HUGE!  The white one was a stray that we named Papa (he came with 4 tiny, baby kittens that he was protecting, we found homes for 2 of the babies).  He had his whole jaw/face broken, so couldn’t close his mouth or one eye completely.  His name was actually Pachunqui, which may be spelt wrong, but is Spanish slang for crooked face.  Became shortened to just Papa.  He was just a REALLY big framed cat.  We lost him not that long ago to cancer.  They are the biggest of the lot.  For comparison, I’m 5’ 2” (on a good day) and 120 lbs.  I, like a lot of you, have a ton of cats.  My husband and I care for abused and abandoned cats, and work with the Feral Cat Coalition and the Shelters.  Patch was battered as a kitten.  We have 18 cats (ok guys, I heard the collective gasp).  They are all part of the family and loved dearly.

On 10/28/05 8:31 PM, “Kirk” <captkirk@clear.net.nz> wrote:

And OMG.. how big are those cats?????????????  Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
K

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn???  This is me!!!!







On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie
  
    
   
  Here is  Callie!
    
   
  Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:39:21 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard,

Thanks.  Had you heard of this before???  All I know is it worked!  I’d used the benedryl and other options before, but I’m quite susceptible to vomiting when I take hallucinogenic.  During another, previous session with Ibogaine, my therapist came to where I was doing it, to talk with my provider and see what it was all about while I was under.  She came in and saw me while I was having a particularly long, violent vomiting period.  She says she felt sorry for me and I remember her stroking my head, saying very motherly, soft things to me.  I also remember thinking to myself, ‘It’s really ok.  I could care less if I’m throwing up.’  But I couldn’t express that to her at the time.  Later I told her that while that was happening, I was so into my ‘trip’ that the vomiting really was no big deal at all for me.  MUCH different than my experiences with any other substance that’s given me that side effect.  But, not vomiting at all the last time was nice.  Nice for me to not have to deal with it while under, and nice for my provider to not have to clean it up, of course.  I highly recommend the Boiron.  They sit under your tongue and have a slight sweet taste to them.

Beatrice

On 10/28/05 7:48 PM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Beatrice,

Boiron is a French company producing homeopathic medications.   I found an interesting page on nux vomica.   I always find the historical pages of interest.

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/strychnos-nux.html

Howard

In a message dated 10/28/05 10:07:02 PM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard.  Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess.  I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military.  I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness.  When I heard that I thought it was worth a try.  The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica.  If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

If you’d like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers.  Just don’t have time to sit here and do it this second.  I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session.  Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you don’t need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because it’s so empty.  And soooo tiny!  Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal!  Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Don’t OPEN HELLO EMAIL VIRUS (I gots the “Howard” award, I’m honored)
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:35:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

.

Yahoo! FareChase – Search multiple travel sites in one click.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:31:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

And OMG.. how big are those cats?????????????  Jayyyysuz!!!! Are they a special breed or do they need Jenny Craig asap???
K
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn???  This is me!!!!







On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie
  
    
   
  Here is  Callie!
    
   
  Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:30:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Aww cool, I came back just in time!
Wicked girl! You got it going on!! Lol
Nice to see ya!
(Wishing now she had cut a photo out of a glossy mag geez lol)
Kirsty :o)
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 4:05 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

My turn???  This is me!!!!







On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:
I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie
  
    
   
  Here is  Callie!
    
   
  Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:05:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

My turn???  This is me!!!!

On 10/22/05 5:23 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

I do like to know who I am reading about! We did this once before but it was a while back! While I do not look as good as Brenda, I have one up on her….I am a grandma!
Callie

Here is  Callie!

Charlie and Callie a  few years ago!
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 28, 2005 at 10:48:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Beatrice,

Boiron is a French company producing homeopathic medications.  I found an interesting page on nux vomica.  I always find the historical pages of interest.

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/strychnos-nux.html

Howard

In a message dated 10/28/05 10:07:02 PM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard.  Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess.  I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military.  I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness.  When I heard that I thought it was worth a try.  The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica.  If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

If you’d like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers.  Just don’t have time to sit here and do it this second.  I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session.  Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you don’t need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because it’s so empty.  And soooo tiny!  Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal!  Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:33:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OOhhhhhh it’s so good to see someone!!
It’s bin sah damn lonely out here in cyber waste land … sniff
Mindvox wouldn’t let me back in…….
Patrick unlocked the door for me
And we think the error message is gone…..
It’s great to be back!!!!
:o)
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:28 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

I see ya girl, c’mon come out and play some more…………
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:41:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Boingy boingy gone at this end…
Patrick took the springs out.
Sweet!!
K
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:41 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE???      ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!

Kirk wrote:
AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:45:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Please direct all thanks, flowers, chocolates, medals etc to our beloved Patrick.
:o)
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:43 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

YIPPEE!!!  YOU FIXED IT!!!   YAAAYYYY!!!

Don Patton wrote:
Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE???      ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!

Kirk wrote:
AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 28, 2005 at 10:06:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry it took awhile to get back to you, Howard.  Had to try and find this tiny tube in all my mess.  I’m trying to get ready for a move, so things are in boxes.

Anyway, the medicine I was speaking of is actually used here successfully in San Diego by a number of our pilots in the military.  I guess those jets can cause a lot of motion sickness.  When I heard that I thought it was worth a try.  The brand name is Boiron (was told it’s French, but not sure), herbal medicine contained is Nuxvomica.  If you cannot find it in a organic store around you I’d be happy to send you some.

It worked very well for me.

On 10/27/05 6:25 AM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

If you’d like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers.  Just don’t have time to sit here and do it this second.  I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session.  Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you don’t need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because it’s so empty.  And soooo tiny!  Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal!  Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Brother
Date: October 28, 2005 at 9:44:43 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you Randy, this is more appreciated today than I care to admit, and I even got the first copy of my new book today (which looks great) but still haven’t been able to cash the freakin’ check (the rest of the advance) ’cause of the way they issued it, and damn it there’s ALWAYS something or other to complain about aint there.
Seriously Randy, I really needed this note just now, so thanks. Good timing.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Brother

In a message dated 10/27/2005 3:51:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au writes:
Plus, just in myself, I’m way sick and tired of pain and addiction, and
don’t know what to do. I’ve heard all the advice people can possibly give,
I can’t turn to anyone else but me now, and I’ve already done that too- so
I’m left with this totally desperate feeling of “depression” and “how long
can I really take this shit” and “how long can I maintain” and “I could
not take another bout of ‘ending'” if it ever came to that. And I have a
new book coming out in a week or less- how can I be feeling so down?

Peace and love,
Preston
Just know that there are people who really care about you and will help any way we can figure to help dude. Your talent, force of will, and intellect will get you where you wanna go. I know for me I have felt the same way a lot, even so called clean it aint always easy to stay focused and upbeat all the time. I have fallen off the wagon and got back up so many times now that I have scabs all over my body. Your still talking about making your life better dude, that’s the key. Never say die. I love you brutha        Randy

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From: morning_wood263@yahoo.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Hello
Date: October 28, 2005 at 9:42:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] 8-BIT- Rapping Gangster Robots Invading Planet Earth
Date: October 28, 2005 at 9:38:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.hightimes.com/ht/entertainment/content.php?bid=792&aid=24

by Preston Peet (Posted at Hightimes.com Oct. 27, 2005)

“Does anyone have a joint?” called out Le-Frost, the one “female” robot of the gangster rap robot foursome, 8-Bit, to the crowded room at CBGB’s gallery downstairs back in July, 2005. This gave my girlfriend, DJ Ness, the excuse to approach them on more than a “gosh golly, I’m such a gushing fan” basis and proceed to light them up with some of the best Strawberry Cough marijuana New York City has to offer. I myself earned a call out from the stage by the rappers one night later at the club Lit in Manhattan’s East Village, for having also smoked out the band, throwing a bit of Afghan hashish into the mix. This group’s members either smoke as much herb as they can, or they support those members who smoke as much herb as they can.

Two months later, more than a thousand bands converged on NYC, Sept. 14-17, for the CMJ Music Marathon (College Media Journal), mainly up and coming bands that are trying to draw attention, make a lot of noise, and get themselves signed. The band that I was most looking forward to seeing and hearing was 8-Bit, performing self-described “old school Nintendo rap.” This band is dangerous, assaulting the senses with graphic lyrics and extremely original beats and mixes, over which the four rap their robot hearts out while simultaneous putting every drug and drink into their bodies as possible.

Their official CMJ appearance was performed at Cake Shop in Manhattan’s Lower East Side, on September 16, filling the room with enthusiastic fans and several record label representatives, among them Epitaph and Geffen Records. Their second, unofficial CMJ gig was booked by DJ Ness at the Slipper Room, for the following night, at 2AM. With slightly goofy but fun choreography, the robots took the stage, periodically making their way into the crowd, rapping lyrics to songs like “Suck Ma Dick,” “Eatin’ Cat,” “I-Deez,” and “Jerry Juice,” among many others, turning the oddest, most mundane topics into instant classics of rap. Spacey-K, Anti-Log, Le-Frost and Robo-T, agreed to an in-depth interview but it turned into me chasing the various members around trying to get answers from extremely fucked up robots now wearing their people suits. They claim that they landed on our planet back in 2002 after their own planet, the Digital Planet, was destroyed in the “Analog Wars,” when Analog took over, and now they make their temporary home in Highland Park, California, the “taco-truck capital of the world.” Le-Frost does their choreography, Spacey-K and Robo-T create the beats, and the raps and rhymes are a collaborative effort.

Among recent accomplishments, 8-Bit recently remixed Beck’s “Hell Yes,” which became an iTune’s Number One download for a short while in early 2005. “The song we did for Beck is ‘Ghettochip Malfunction/Hell Yes’ and it’s going to be the next release for his album,” Anti-Log tells me. “They are shooting the video right now and it will be on MTV, MTV2, and Fuse. It will also be on like every radio station on the planet. In a month, every person who reads this article will know the song but not necessarily know that we did it.” (This is because 8-Bit did not obtain a contract before recording their remix, a remix specifically requested by Beck, and in turn will not get credited for their work on the song.) The rappers were also nominated in the 2005 LA Weekly Music Awards as “Best Hip Hop/Rap Artist” too. Despite these triumphs, the band tells me “we are the same robots we’ve always been and we always will be no matter how famous we eventually become.” They tell me they have no trouble handling “all the groupies,” mainly dealing with them “while we create our music,” which must add something special to the recording sessions. Putting out their music through their own label, Ninjastar Records (ninjastarrecords.com), they’re almost always on the road, claiming they never actually practice, “as we’re always on stage somewhere playing, so we really don’t have to practice, because we are literally always playing.”

Preferring their natural form as robots then to when they must don their people suits, no matter what form they’re taking, the band tells me they are “always” working on a new record, the next one to be titled “Chrome.” And they tell me they “really are as inebriated as we appear,” although Anti-Log did have to ask me what “inebriated” meant, slurring a bit from both alcohol and the invited beating he took from a fan with a beer bottle handed to the fan by Anti-Log himself during the show. “Drugs and blowjobs” are their main focus, after their music of course, and this band can fucking party. Claiming that they are the only rapping gangster robots, they warn me to alert my readers that if they ever see or hear other robots, particularly rapping robots, to be aware that these are only posers, that 8-Bit are the only genuine article, and I’m willing to buy that. Not normally a major rap fan, I’m seriously taken with this band, both with their music and their attitude towards life on this planet. They mix hard-driving, relentlessly powerful beats and rhythms with hilarious lyrics that rip on the absurd and ridiculous around us in modern society.

They tell me that in their opinion, “prohibition of alcohol didn’t work. It created violence and corruption at a staggering scale. Marijuana prohibition doesn’t work either. Just hang out with damn near anyone and they will happily produce a bag. Criminalizing a
harmless drug while backing and marketing pharmaceuticals that harm people more than help them is an oxymoronical joke. The 8-bit robots don’t subscribe to the drug policy of the US because it’s illogical. Robots don’t understand and reject illogical information.”

I myself am an old hand at doing drugs and staying out all night, but even I, a professional, had to really work hard to keep up with these young robots. Since DJ Ness had booked the Slipper Room show, we delighted in taking 8-Bit about the town afterwards, first to our own home, then to another apartment where we could all drink, snort drugs, smoke weed and watch the sun rise from the most beautiful patio imaginable.

After their CMJ adventures, 8-Bit intends to return to take on NYC as soon as possible.

PS: They’ll need a place to stay.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:42:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

YIPPEE!!!  YOU FIXED IT!!!   YAAAYYYY!!!

Don Patton wrote:
Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE???      ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!

Kirk wrote:
AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:40:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, but do you still BOUNCE???      ahhh.. HERE GOES!!!!!

Kirk wrote:
AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:28:19 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I see ya girl, c’mon come out and play some more…………
—– Original Message —–
From: Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:11 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????

AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] tESt
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:15:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OH NOOO PATRICK YOU’VE GONE DOTTY

—–Original Message—–
From: Patrick K. Kroupa [mailto:digital@wiretap.com]
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:14 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] tESt

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From: Kirk <captkirk@clear.net.nz>
Subject: [Ibogaine] CAN ANYONE SEE ME???????
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:11:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

AM I BACK???????????????????????????
From: brenda brewer [mailto:shakti@photon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2005 1:00 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda
–

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] When I’m going
Date: October 28, 2005 at 7:59:38 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh yeah, I’m leaving in about 3 weeks.

brenda

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 7:52:04 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you , Randy.

On 10/28/05 4:42 PM, “BiscuitBoy714@aol.com” <BiscuitBoy714@aol.com> wrote:

Brenda, for what it is worth I had been told that orange juice with a little
Karo syrup helps with the shakes when I detoxed alcohol. I don’t know how much
it actually helped but I did get through it when I used it. Good luck on your
path towards treatment.          Randy


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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 7:51:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Beatrice,

I understand what you are saying…there is no time like the present no matter how crazy things got this time.  I finally got that.  It helps that I have insurance now…I haven’t in 2 years and the county programs are lame.  I went to therapy intake and got to meet my new MD.  She’s so cool!  I told her what I am getting ready to do and she said, “well.  A lot of things are controversial.  Just because it’s not FDA approved doesn’t mean it won’t help you.  I fully support you doing whatever you think you need to do to get better.”  🙂  Oh, and she gave me a script for 35 Ativan.  She said I want you  have enough to comfortable before you leave so you don’t feel like you have to go back to it if you have having symptoms.

I’m not offended I’m grateful.  Both of my brothers are really upset with me.  My BF is one of those feeling proud of me.  I tell you, the love strategy I think works better.  I am doing everything in my power, counseling, working with an MD and going to treatment.

I’m pretty beat.  Gotta buy my plane ticket now. 🙂

brenda

On 10/28/05 11:39 AM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

> Brenda,
>
> Really great to it!  Good for you!  I hope I don’t offend by saying I’m
> proud of you, but I am.  You’re facing a lot of different stresses right
> now, but seem to know what you want and need and are focusing on it.  My
> only advice is keep with it.  Don’t focus on everything being thrown at you.
> Stay focused on yourself and getting better.  For some reason, every time I
> went to do this, my entire life went crazy around me.  I mean much, much
> crazier than anything normal.  Throwing so much extra stress on the
> situation that I used it as an excuse to go back.  You see, I saw it as a
> sign it was not the time to do this, instead of what I now think it really
> is, the lifestyle trying to keep you.  I realized it would never get easier,
> never be a better time.  Once I realized that and that everything will still
> be there to deal with after I focus on myself, I did it.  I’ve always been a
> caretaker, so it was very difficult for me to focus on only myself and my
> needs.  You’re a step ahead.
>
> May I ask how long until your session?  I have a very good, close friend who
> is also getting ready to do this for her alcohol addiction.  I know very
> little about it concerning that particular treatment.  I’ve been told you
> must go through the shakes beforehand, is this true?  If so, you (and my
> friend) have a lot of courage and determination.  I truly applaud you for
> it.  I remember when I was still using, I quit cold turkey once, and then
> went back shortly after.  After that I had no courage to ever go through
> that again.  To know what’s coming was hard for me.
>
> Anyway, my prayers, chants, energy, everything is with you.  Try to keep a
> positive, focused attitude, and do this!  We’re all here for you!
> Beatrice
>
> PS – All you want that you listed before will click into place when you’re
> better and able to focus on other things again.
>
> On 10/27/05 10:49 PM, “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
>

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 7:42:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda, for what it is worth I had been told that orange juice with a little Karo syrup helps with the shakes when I detoxed alcohol. I don’t know how much it actually helped but I did get through it when I used it. Good luck on your path towards treatment.          Randy

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 6:37:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I guess I missed the info last year.
I think it is very exciting as there is no drug that has ever been effective for cocaine cravings. This drug may turn out to be not effective either.
Maybe the folks that were in the discussion last year had never experienced themselves or observed anyone else who is hopelessly addicted to crack or cocaine.
I find the apathy regarding cocaine addiction disturbing. Personally, I feel cocaine could be the downfall of the USA. Not cocaine and other drugs, just cocaine alone.
I would like to see the USA to put more emphasis on studies and trials to help addiction. I really think they should/could start with Ibogaine. Might as well forget about it with W in office. He couldn’t care less about addicts!! Hell, he couldn’t care less about anything except oil and getting revenge on Sadaam Hussein! I really hope our next President has balls enough to attack the drug problem head on and to take on the drug companies and their ever increasing prices, etc.
But back to the point of post….Hell yes, I am excited! I really hope and pray that this is a beginning to the end of cocaine addicts having nothing to turn to for help with cravings.
Callie

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 5:11:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Vector,
Welll, it dosen’t seem as if anybody is excited,
except Callie who may not have known about such a
possible alternative to “craving” control.

Perhaps its just that lack of enthusiasm, sense of
dispair or overall depression goes with addiction.

Sorry I missed the conversation last year.  It was my
intent to see if there was any positive feedback or
whether anyone has had any success with the Subject
title.  Apparently, from Boris reply it has worked for
someone.  Even if its just one more person on the road
to recover, functioning,  it is still one less  less
person sitting in the hell of limbo.  Don’t know about
you, but I would consider that special.

Best regards,

— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:

Could I ask why anyone is getting excited by this
right now? This same
conversation went across here last year and the
feeling was that nobody
cared, another anti-seizure drug like neurontin
which can be
re-patented to do nothing too special.

.:vector:.

— CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:

I am taking an eduacated guess that Sabrilex is an
extended release
and
Sabril is not but like I said that is a guess. Of
course since they
are made by
different companies Sabilex may just be a similar
name to Sabril the
company
has  used to make it ‘easier’ for consumers.
Medline says the brand name in Cacada is Sabril.
The generic would be

Vigabratin

_http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html_

(http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html)

This is so exciting! Of course the USA is so
cautious it will not be

available for some time probably.
Callie

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] ron to schoomly…
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:59:59 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you and family ok bro? ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] dancing bwiti kills my self (ibo & nightlife pt II) ron to sch…

Hang in there Ron. You will eventually make it. call me if you need my help

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Brother
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:37:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/27/2005 3:51:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au writes:
Plus, just in myself, I’m way sick and tired of pain and addiction, and
> don’t know what to do. I’ve heard all the advice people can possibly give,
> I can’t turn to anyone else but me now, and I’ve already done that too- so
> I’m left with this totally desperate feeling of “depression” and “how long
> can I really take this shit” and “how long can I maintain” and “I could
> not take another bout of ‘ending'” if it ever came to that. And I have a
> new book coming out in a week or less- how can I be feeling so down?
>
> Peace and love,
> Preston
Just know that there are people who really care about you and will help any way we can figure to help dude. Your talent, force of will, and intellect will get you where you wanna go. I know for me I have felt the same way a lot, even so called clean it aint always easy to stay focused and upbeat all the time. I have fallen off the wagon and got back up so many times now that I have scabs all over my body. Your still talking about making your life better dude, that’s the key. Never say die. I love you brutha        Randy

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 2:39:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda,

Really great to it!  Good for you!  I hope I don’t offend by saying I’m proud of you, but I am.  You’re facing a lot of different stresses right now, but seem to know what you want and need and are focusing on it.  My only advice is keep with it.  Don’t focus on everything being thrown at you.  Stay focused on yourself and getting better.  For some reason, every time I went to do this, my entire life went crazy around me.  I mean much, much crazier than anything normal.  Throwing so much extra stress on the situation that I used it as an excuse to go back.  You see, I saw it as a sign it was not the time to do this, instead of what I now think it really is, the lifestyle trying to keep you.  I realized it would never get easier, never be a better time.  Once I realized that and that everything will still be there to deal with after I focus on myself, I did it.  I’ve always been a caretaker, so it was very difficult for me to focus on only myself and my needs.  You’re a step ahead.

May I ask how long until your session?  I have a very good, close friend who is also getting ready to do this for her alcohol addiction.  I know very little about it concerning that particular treatment.  I’ve been told you must go through the shakes beforehand, is this true?  If so, you (and my friend) have a lot of courage and determination.  I truly applaud you for it.  I remember when I was still using, I quit cold turkey once, and then went back shortly after.  After that I had no courage to ever go through that again.  To know what’s coming was hard for me.

Anyway, my prayers, chants, energy, everything is with you.  Try to keep a positive, focused attitude, and do this!  We’re all here for you!
Beatrice

PS – All you want that you listed before will click into place when you’re better and able to focus on other things again.

On 10/27/05 10:49 PM, “brenda brewer” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:

Hi,

Phew.  It was hard but I got through the worst of it and I think I will be able to sleep soon.   Maybe by midnight.  I spent a lot of time reading different things about why it’s not a good idea for me to try to taper off and have a beer for the shakes.  It has not worked for me in the past and I just don’t have enough support – it’s just not an option for me.

I also am able to feel less upset – I had some warm milk with honey in it and  I was surprised to find that it worked well in helping me feel better.

I know I’m going to have a great life, I am going to love sobriety and I am going to learn new ways to cope and there are a lot of people who are going to help me because I simply cannot do this alone right now.

I’m looking forward to my journey and I’ll have a lot of support until then.

Thanks for listening again.

Brenda

From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] [OT] Exxon: $10 billion in profit, $100 billion in revenue last quarter
Date: October 28, 2005 at 2:36:02 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Exxon: $10 billion in profit, $100 billion in revenue last quarter.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002588325_oilearns28.html

“More than a billion dollars a day, $45 million an hour, almost $340
for every living American — that’s what Exxon Mobil reported in
third-quarter revenue Thursday. The financial results drew outrage from
politicians and consumer advocates”

.:vector:.

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:52:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Could I ask why anyone is getting excited by this right now? This same
conversation went across here last year and the feeling was that nobody
cared, another anti-seizure drug like neurontin which can be
re-patented to do nothing too special.

.:vector:.

— CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:

I am taking an eduacated guess that Sabrilex is an extended release
and
Sabril is not but like I said that is a guess. Of course since they
are made by
different companies Sabilex may just be a similar name to Sabril the
company
has  used to make it ‘easier’ for consumers.
Medline says the brand name in Cacada is Sabril. The generic would be

Vigabratin
_http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html_
(http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html)
This is so exciting! Of course the USA is so cautious it will not be

available for some time probably.
Callie

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:53:09 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am taking an eduacated guess that Sabrilex is an extended release and Sabril is not but like I said that is a guess. Of course since they are made by different companies Sabilex may just be a similar name to Sabril the company has used to make it ‘easier’ for consumers.
Medline says the brand name in Cacada is Sabril. The generic would be Vigabratin
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/uspdi/500257.html
This is so exciting! Of course the USA is so cautious it will not be available for some time probably.
Callie

From: Mason Shipley <maseshipley@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 28, 2005 at 11:29:25 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I posted my own message that was not so different from yours when I
arrived here, I don’t post much and skip a lot of the messages but
there is usually something here that is worth reading or helps me out
in some way.

I have to agree with you about some of the people here, it’s
complicated further because most of the new age types who post here
constantly either weren’t addicts in the first place or are still
addicts and keep giving advice they don’t seem to take themselves. In
the long run its not all that different from the 12 step meetings most
of those here dis or don’t take part in. ‘Take what you find useful
and leave the rest’.

I’m still here so obviously I find many things useful, not always for
the reasons the person who posted intended.

There are a lot of recovery resources on the Mindvox site,
unfortunately they too cover the range of whackos (what can anybody
tell me does Jonathan Ott ranting have to do with recovery or
ibogaine? He’s a friend of your’s and you do deranged interviews
together, that’s nice Patrick but really, name one thing Jonathan Ott
has to do with recovery? He hasn’t spent a day in his life sober,
other then being a psychedelics guru, his contribution to recovery is
nothing).

The Keeping Clean section is also filling up with the whacko material
or anybody with a PhD that will spend their time writing up long anti
12 step rants like Peter Cohen and Stanton Peele who make a career out
of trashing anything that has something to do with addiction
treatment, but other then this list what I myself find useful here is

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/KeepingClean/KeepingClean.html

Patrick’s series made me very angry the first time I read it, it
lashes out against the 12 steps and rehab, then I re read it when so
many here credited it with keeping them sober after ibogaine and
almost a year later, reading it I’m left with lingering resentment
against the 12 step bashing, but more of a understanding considering
the second to last piece in the addiction 4 parter is written with the
psychedelic artist who works the steps.

http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/HeroinTimes.html

Whatever else it might be, it’s real, honest and has a lot of useful info.

I too don’t have that much interest in the rants of those who have
never been addicts, everything else here isn’t all that different from
any group or any meeting you’ll attend, 12 step based or not.

The site has also made me laugh on more then one occasion when things
are at their darkest and that’s one hell of a gift. Thanks for that.

Asking people here to act differently is about as useful as asking
people at NA to act differently and it’s classic addict behavior,
wanting the world to change itself for our benefit.

Take what you find useful and leave the rest.

-Mase

On 10/23/05, Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:
I’m a little late and coming into the middle of all this so please
bear with me. I don’t know what to make of this place but it looks
like a weird combination of hippy-dippy new age dreck, hardcore
junkies and I don’t know what else.

Who is who? I could honestly give 2 shits about transpersonal
blathering and new age mumbo jumbo by people who have never been
addicted. I’m much more with Callie. Morning Wood, Ron, I’m interested
in what ibogaine does for detox, what then, how does anyone here stay
clean, do any of you who were junkies and stayed clean really do it
through this new age crap? I don’t want to hear the rebirthing
transpersonal nurturing granola sheet, sorry got my fill in the 60’s.
Is there any non blathering after ibogaine treatment or system or
whatnot that works for anyone?

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is a
detox protocol.

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:23:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

hey Luke,

I’ve just got some sceletium to try, have never tried it before.

How much would you recommend for a dose?

Its powdered, meant for snorting, I think? How did you have it?

Also, I have a hunch that people that are into alcohol would find more anti-anxiety effects from 5-htp. People who are into ampthetamines and the like, would benefit more from tyrosine. But a combination of both is better – boosting serotonin only will
eventually drive down dopamine, and boosting dopamine only will eventually drive down serotonin.

Boris

—- Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
Also sceletium is a very good fast acting herb for depression.  I
found it along with l-tyrosine to be one of the faster acting natural
mood lifters.

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hi Brenda,

I don’t think l-glutamine would be particularly effective for depression.
If you want to use amino acids for depression, try 5-htp (100mg 3 times a day) and l-tyrosine (1 gram 3 times a day) in combination. Take a good B vitamin with them (with 50mg B3 and B6), and a multimineral. l-glutamine with that lot won’t hurt.
Take the lot 3 times a day, an hour before a meal.

Good St Jonn’s wort is also very good. Get the tincture it is absorbed better and faster. Usual dosage is 2mg 3 times a day.
Sam-e is another good one, but is a bit expensive. Some people have apparently started using it instead of the 5-htp/l-tyrosine combination, as it does the job of both.
Oh, and l-theanine is a great alternative to l-glutamine.

As I mentioned in another post, I have found Damiana tea helpful for mild depression also.

But if you are clinically depressed, I hope you’re getting some help. I have not been reading all the posts, so have not read what you previously wrote about your situation..

take care and good luck!
Boris

—- brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
On 10/28/05 12:26 AM, “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

l-glutamine

Phew.  You just reminded me I have some from last time I tried to quit.  I
just took some.  Honestly, I don¹t remember if it helped last time.  I hope
it does this time because I do feel clinically depressed but not suicidal.
I¹m going to start back up on my vitamins tomorrow.

brenda


Shakti
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House, Soul, Background vocals

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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 8:08:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Also sceletium is a very good fast acting herb for depression.  I
found it along with l-tyrosine to be one of the faster acting natural
mood lifters.

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hi Brenda,

I don’t think l-glutamine would be particularly effective for depression.
If you want to use amino acids for depression, try 5-htp (100mg 3 times a day) and l-tyrosine (1 gram 3 times a day) in combination. Take a good B vitamin with them (with 50mg B3 and B6), and a multimineral. l-glutamine with that lot won’t hurt.
Take the lot 3 times a day, an hour before a meal.

Good St Jonn’s wort is also very good. Get the tincture it is absorbed better and faster. Usual dosage is 2mg 3 times a day.
Sam-e is another good one, but is a bit expensive. Some people have apparently started using it instead of the 5-htp/l-tyrosine combination, as it does the job of both.
Oh, and l-theanine is a great alternative to l-glutamine.

As I mentioned in another post, I have found Damiana tea helpful for mild depression also.

But if you are clinically depressed, I hope you’re getting some help. I have not been reading all the posts, so have not read what you previously wrote about your situation..

take care and good luck!
Boris

—- brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
On 10/28/05 12:26 AM, “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

l-glutamine

Phew.  You just reminded me I have some from last time I tried to quit.  I
just took some.  Honestly, I don¹t remember if it helped last time.  I hope
it does this time because I do feel clinically depressed but not suicidal.
I¹m going to start back up on my vitamins tomorrow.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 5:12:01 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Brenda,

I don’t think l-glutamine would be particularly effective for depression.
If you want to use amino acids for depression, try 5-htp (100mg 3 times a day) and l-tyrosine (1 gram 3 times a day) in combination. Take a good B vitamin with them (with 50mg B3 and B6), and a multimineral. l-glutamine with that lot won’t hurt.
Take the lot 3 times a day, an hour before a meal.

Good St Jonn’s wort is also very good. Get the tincture it is absorbed better and faster. Usual dosage is 2mg 3 times a day.
Sam-e is another good one, but is a bit expensive. Some people have apparently started using it instead of the 5-htp/l-tyrosine combination, as it does the job of both.
Oh, and l-theanine is a great alternative to l-glutamine.

As I mentioned in another post, I have found Damiana tea helpful for mild depression also.

But if you are clinically depressed, I hope you’re getting some help. I have not been reading all the posts, so have not read what you previously wrote about your situation..

take care and good luck!
Boris

—- brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net> wrote:
On 10/28/05 12:26 AM, “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

l-glutamine

Phew.  You just reminded me I have some from last time I tried to quit.  I
just took some.  Honestly, I don¹t remember if it helped last time.  I hope
it does this time because I do feel clinically depressed but not suicidal.
I¹m going to start back up on my vitamins tomorrow.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 5:04:38 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ashwanganda’s effects are quite subtle. Have not tried mulungu.
I find Kava is not bad for relaxation.
I also like Damiana for the mild blues. Two cups of strong fresh damiana tea is quite nice.

Boris

—- Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh yeah!  There’s another less known south american herb called
mulungu that is supposed to act on GABA.  It’s supposed to aid
relaxing nerves.  Here’s a link.

http://www.rain-tree.com/mulungu.htm

The indian herb Ashwaganda also has some effect on GABA.  I found that
helpfull and it’s also an aphrodisiac 🙂

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

Sure, don’t waste your money, it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.

GABA is one of the neurotransmitters in your brain responsible for mood control. It is the main inhibitory neurotransmitter, which means it is responsible for “calming” effects. Boosting brain GABA seems to be the main craving control mechanism currently being explored. Benzodiazapines (Valium, Xanax etc) work by slowing down the rate at which the GABA the brain makes is broken down. The epilepsy medications like Vigabatrin work in similar fashion (I think by inhibitting production of of the enzyme that breaks down the GABA), I think. GHB and 14B readily cross the blood-brain barrier and get converted straght into GABA. This is why they are misused as a “date rape drug”. A very steep dose response curve means if you have a little too much or mix with another depressant (like alcohol) you’ll fall asleep, possibly go into a coma or worse. You have to be extremely careful with drugs that directly substitute GABA in the brain. There are many medical uses for these also by the way, so they CAN be used safely.
The precursor to brain GABA is the amino acid l-glutamine. It is one of the amino acids in “End your addiction now”. I don’t know if taking l-glutamine alone would help cravings. I would imagine that it would. 1-3 grams, 3 times a day are the dosages in the book. It is very safe to take. Your body will discard what it cannot use. But it is used elsewhere in the body besides the brain, which is maybe why the GABA you can buy in a health food store may be useful for other purposes. But none of that stuff will get in your brain.
L-glutamine is also useful for anyone coming off a benzo addiction. The reason that benzo and alcohol withdrawal are so dangerous is because the level GABA in your brain drop when you’re addicted to these substances, and your brain relies on them. Take away the benzos or alcohol, brain has not got enough GABA, you get very anxious, go into fits etc. Epilepsy is a condition where the brain GABA is low and that is the cause of the fits.

a bit of a ramble, I am in a rush.. hope that helps
cheers
Boris

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

Years of research on the brain’s message delivery
system is paying off for patients with epilepsy.
Scientists discovered that abnormal levels of
chemicals such as GABA unbalance the system and may
cause a seizure. Now they are developing new
treatments that promote harmony in the message
delivery system and efficiently ward off seizures.

When a chemical thunderstorm churns in the
brain, messages normally delivered with precision from
one cell to the next gush out of control. This flood
of nerve cell chatter may trigger parts of your body
to contract rapidly, your mouth to salivate, a feeling
of “deja vu” and even a total blackout — a seizure.
For years scientists have been analyzing the
brain’s message delivery system in order to find ways
to control seizures. People who experience repeated
seizures suffer from epilepsy. This ailment is one of
the most prevalent neurological disorders, afflicting
approximately one percent of Americans — about 2.5
million people. Seizures can occur in healthy
children, adults and the elderly as well as those with
other disorders such as a brain injury.
Traditional medications are not successful for
all patients and carry numerous side effects. Now
after a 15-year drought, several new epilepsy drugs
are close to approval in the United States. Many of
these recent developments stem from the discovery of
the chemical GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid) in 1950.

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

Nerve cells, or neurons, communicate by
releasing neurotransmitters. These chemical messengers
flow onto other neurons that act as receivers. The
neurotransmitter attaches to a slot on the neuron, or
receptor site. Once attached different
neurotransmitters either trigger “go” signals that
allow the message to be passed on to other cells or
produce “stop” signals that prevent the message from
being forwarded. GABA is the most common
message-altering neurotransmitter in the brain.
The brain has to keep tight control of this
message delivery system to avoid communication chaos.
A single receiving neuron has thousands of receptor
sites and receives many different messages and
passwords at once. Each neuron adds up the incoming
signals and determines whether or not to pass the
information along to other cells. Enzymes help out by
patrolling the brain and eliminating excess
message-halting GABA to ensure a balance in
communication.
Sometimes, however, the system crashes. Normally
each neuron affects only a limited number of other
cells. If a sufficient amount of GABA is lacking,
however, the system goes out of whack, and tens of
thousands of neurons send messages rapidly, intensely
and simultaneously, resulting in a seizure. The
enzymes that normally work to keep GABA at a
satisfactory level may, under some abnormal
conditions, actually trigger the message onslaught by
keeping the levels of GABA too low.
Scientists have applied their knowledge of the
brain’s message delivery system to develop new drugs.
These new treatments prevent epileptic seizures by
keeping the message delivery system in balance. One
drug, vigabatrin, currently is available in Europe and
being evaluated in the United States. The medication
has a chemical structure similar to GABA, making it
attractive to GABA-eliminating enzymes. Vigabatrin
binds to the duped enzymes, knocking them out of
commission. This ensures that GABA stays at a level
that will keep the message delivery system working
properly.
Scientists hope to further decipher the message
delivery system in the brain and create additional
targets for therapies that will improve treatment and
induce fewer side effects.
Research on the basic mechanisms of how neurons
communicate through chemical messages also may bolster
the search for new treatments that target other
neurological disorders.

A seizure occurs when the message delivery system
becomes unbalanced. Under normal circumstances, the
neurotransmitter GABA does its part to make sure the
system stays in synch by triggering signals in the
form of charged particles (A). It causes a large
concentration of negatively charged chloride particles
(Cl-) to enter the receiving neuron. This tells the
neuron to not pass on the message. When there is not
enough GABA a person can have a seizure because
receiving neurons can be flooded with signals that say
“pass on this message.” The “go” messages are
triggered by a different type of neurotransmitter that
promotes message transfer (B). the charged signals
they set off are positive. This time, more positively
charged sodium particles (Na+) enter the neuron, which
tells the receiving neuron to pass on the message.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
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The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them.
-Al Einstein.

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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 4:51:27 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh yeah!  There’s another less known south american herb called
mulungu that is supposed to act on GABA.  It’s supposed to aid
relaxing nerves.  Here’s a link.

http://www.rain-tree.com/mulungu.htm

The indian herb Ashwaganda also has some effect on GABA.  I found that
helpfull and it’s also an aphrodisiac 🙂

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

Sure, don’t waste your money, it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.

GABA is one of the neurotransmitters in your brain responsible for mood control. It is the main inhibitory neurotransmitter, which means it is responsible for “calming” effects. Boosting brain GABA seems to be the main craving control mechanism currently being explored. Benzodiazapines (Valium, Xanax etc) work by slowing down the rate at which the GABA the brain makes is broken down. The epilepsy medications like Vigabatrin work in similar fashion (I think by inhibitting production of of the enzyme that breaks down the GABA), I think. GHB and 14B readily cross the blood-brain barrier and get converted straght into GABA. This is why they are misused as a “date rape drug”. A very steep dose response curve means if you have a little too much or mix with another depressant (like alcohol) you’ll fall asleep, possibly go into a coma or worse. You have to be extremely careful with drugs that directly substitute GABA in the brain. There are many medical uses for these also by the way, so they CAN be used safely.
The precursor to brain GABA is the amino acid l-glutamine. It is one of the amino acids in “End your addiction now”. I don’t know if taking l-glutamine alone would help cravings. I would imagine that it would. 1-3 grams, 3 times a day are the dosages in the book. It is very safe to take. Your body will discard what it cannot use. But it is used elsewhere in the body besides the brain, which is maybe why the GABA you can buy in a health food store may be useful for other purposes. But none of that stuff will get in your brain.
L-glutamine is also useful for anyone coming off a benzo addiction. The reason that benzo and alcohol withdrawal are so dangerous is because the level GABA in your brain drop when you’re addicted to these substances, and your brain relies on them. Take away the benzos or alcohol, brain has not got enough GABA, you get very anxious, go into fits etc. Epilepsy is a condition where the brain GABA is low and that is the cause of the fits.

a bit of a ramble, I am in a rush.. hope that helps
cheers
Boris

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

Years of research on the brain’s message delivery
system is paying off for patients with epilepsy.
Scientists discovered that abnormal levels of
chemicals such as GABA unbalance the system and may
cause a seizure. Now they are developing new
treatments that promote harmony in the message
delivery system and efficiently ward off seizures.

When a chemical thunderstorm churns in the
brain, messages normally delivered with precision from
one cell to the next gush out of control. This flood
of nerve cell chatter may trigger parts of your body
to contract rapidly, your mouth to salivate, a feeling
of “deja vu” and even a total blackout — a seizure.
For years scientists have been analyzing the
brain’s message delivery system in order to find ways
to control seizures. People who experience repeated
seizures suffer from epilepsy. This ailment is one of
the most prevalent neurological disorders, afflicting
approximately one percent of Americans — about 2.5
million people. Seizures can occur in healthy
children, adults and the elderly as well as those with
other disorders such as a brain injury.
Traditional medications are not successful for
all patients and carry numerous side effects. Now
after a 15-year drought, several new epilepsy drugs
are close to approval in the United States. Many of
these recent developments stem from the discovery of
the chemical GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid) in 1950.

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

Nerve cells, or neurons, communicate by
releasing neurotransmitters. These chemical messengers
flow onto other neurons that act as receivers. The
neurotransmitter attaches to a slot on the neuron, or
receptor site. Once attached different
neurotransmitters either trigger “go” signals that
allow the message to be passed on to other cells or
produce “stop” signals that prevent the message from
being forwarded. GABA is the most common
message-altering neurotransmitter in the brain.
The brain has to keep tight control of this
message delivery system to avoid communication chaos.
A single receiving neuron has thousands of receptor
sites and receives many different messages and
passwords at once. Each neuron adds up the incoming
signals and determines whether or not to pass the
information along to other cells. Enzymes help out by
patrolling the brain and eliminating excess
message-halting GABA to ensure a balance in
communication.
Sometimes, however, the system crashes. Normally
each neuron affects only a limited number of other
cells. If a sufficient amount of GABA is lacking,
however, the system goes out of whack, and tens of
thousands of neurons send messages rapidly, intensely
and simultaneously, resulting in a seizure. The
enzymes that normally work to keep GABA at a
satisfactory level may, under some abnormal
conditions, actually trigger the message onslaught by
keeping the levels of GABA too low.
Scientists have applied their knowledge of the
brain’s message delivery system to develop new drugs.
These new treatments prevent epileptic seizures by
keeping the message delivery system in balance. One
drug, vigabatrin, currently is available in Europe and
being evaluated in the United States. The medication
has a chemical structure similar to GABA, making it
attractive to GABA-eliminating enzymes. Vigabatrin
binds to the duped enzymes, knocking them out of
commission. This ensures that GABA stays at a level
that will keep the message delivery system working
properly.
Scientists hope to further decipher the message
delivery system in the brain and create additional
targets for therapies that will improve treatment and
induce fewer side effects.
Research on the basic mechanisms of how neurons
communicate through chemical messages also may bolster
the search for new treatments that target other
neurological disorders.

A seizure occurs when the message delivery system
becomes unbalanced. Under normal circumstances, the
neurotransmitter GABA does its part to make sure the
system stays in synch by triggering signals in the
form of charged particles (A). It causes a large
concentration of negatively charged chloride particles
(Cl-) to enter the receiving neuron. This tells the
neuron to not pass on the message. When there is not
enough GABA a person can have a seizure because
receiving neurons can be flooded with signals that say
“pass on this message.” The “go” messages are
triggered by a different type of neurotransmitter that
promotes message transfer (B). the charged signals
they set off are positive. This time, more positively
charged sodium particles (Na+) enter the neuron, which
tells the receiving neuron to pass on the message.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.
The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them.
-Al Einstein.

__________________________________
Yahoo! Mail – PC Magazine Editors’ Choice 2005
http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 4:43:13 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I was taking a GABA supplement recently and it definitely did have an
effect.  I’m not sure if it crosses the into the brain in some people
or if it’s GABA receptors in the body but I could definitely feel some
effect.

There’s memory drug called picamilon which is a vitimin connected with
GABA I think.  It gets GABA into the brain and increases cerebral
blood circulation.  One of it’s uses is for recovering alcoholics as
it’s supposed to have similar effects as valium but also a memory
enhancer.  It’s supposed to cause relaxing effects or stimulating
effects depending on dose.

Luke

On 10/28/05, Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

Sure, don’t waste your money, it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.

GABA is one of the neurotransmitters in your brain responsible for mood control. It is the main inhibitory neurotransmitter, which means it is responsible for “calming” effects. Boosting brain GABA seems to be the main craving control mechanism currently being explored. Benzodiazapines (Valium, Xanax etc) work by slowing down the rate at which the GABA the brain makes is broken down. The epilepsy medications like Vigabatrin work in similar fashion (I think by inhibitting production of of the enzyme that breaks down the GABA), I think. GHB and 14B readily cross the blood-brain barrier and get converted straght into GABA. This is why they are misused as a “date rape drug”. A very steep dose response curve means if you have a little too much or mix with another depressant (like alcohol) you’ll fall asleep, possibly go into a coma or worse. You have to be extremely careful with drugs that directly substitute GABA in the brain. There are many medical uses for these also by the way, so they CAN be used safely.
The precursor to brain GABA is the amino acid l-glutamine. It is one of the amino acids in “End your addiction now”. I don’t know if taking l-glutamine alone would help cravings. I would imagine that it would. 1-3 grams, 3 times a day are the dosages in the book. It is very safe to take. Your body will discard what it cannot use. But it is used elsewhere in the body besides the brain, which is maybe why the GABA you can buy in a health food store may be useful for other purposes. But none of that stuff will get in your brain.
L-glutamine is also useful for anyone coming off a benzo addiction. The reason that benzo and alcohol withdrawal are so dangerous is because the level GABA in your brain drop when you’re addicted to these substances, and your brain relies on them. Take away the benzos or alcohol, brain has not got enough GABA, you get very anxious, go into fits etc. Epilepsy is a condition where the brain GABA is low and that is the cause of the fits.

a bit of a ramble, I am in a rush.. hope that helps
cheers
Boris

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

Years of research on the brain’s message delivery
system is paying off for patients with epilepsy.
Scientists discovered that abnormal levels of
chemicals such as GABA unbalance the system and may
cause a seizure. Now they are developing new
treatments that promote harmony in the message
delivery system and efficiently ward off seizures.

When a chemical thunderstorm churns in the
brain, messages normally delivered with precision from
one cell to the next gush out of control. This flood
of nerve cell chatter may trigger parts of your body
to contract rapidly, your mouth to salivate, a feeling
of “deja vu” and even a total blackout — a seizure.
For years scientists have been analyzing the
brain’s message delivery system in order to find ways
to control seizures. People who experience repeated
seizures suffer from epilepsy. This ailment is one of
the most prevalent neurological disorders, afflicting
approximately one percent of Americans — about 2.5
million people. Seizures can occur in healthy
children, adults and the elderly as well as those with
other disorders such as a brain injury.
Traditional medications are not successful for
all patients and carry numerous side effects. Now
after a 15-year drought, several new epilepsy drugs
are close to approval in the United States. Many of
these recent developments stem from the discovery of
the chemical GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid) in 1950.

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

Nerve cells, or neurons, communicate by
releasing neurotransmitters. These chemical messengers
flow onto other neurons that act as receivers. The
neurotransmitter attaches to a slot on the neuron, or
receptor site. Once attached different
neurotransmitters either trigger “go” signals that
allow the message to be passed on to other cells or
produce “stop” signals that prevent the message from
being forwarded. GABA is the most common
message-altering neurotransmitter in the brain.
The brain has to keep tight control of this
message delivery system to avoid communication chaos.
A single receiving neuron has thousands of receptor
sites and receives many different messages and
passwords at once. Each neuron adds up the incoming
signals and determines whether or not to pass the
information along to other cells. Enzymes help out by
patrolling the brain and eliminating excess
message-halting GABA to ensure a balance in
communication.
Sometimes, however, the system crashes. Normally
each neuron affects only a limited number of other
cells. If a sufficient amount of GABA is lacking,
however, the system goes out of whack, and tens of
thousands of neurons send messages rapidly, intensely
and simultaneously, resulting in a seizure. The
enzymes that normally work to keep GABA at a
satisfactory level may, under some abnormal
conditions, actually trigger the message onslaught by
keeping the levels of GABA too low.
Scientists have applied their knowledge of the
brain’s message delivery system to develop new drugs.
These new treatments prevent epileptic seizures by
keeping the message delivery system in balance. One
drug, vigabatrin, currently is available in Europe and
being evaluated in the United States. The medication
has a chemical structure similar to GABA, making it
attractive to GABA-eliminating enzymes. Vigabatrin
binds to the duped enzymes, knocking them out of
commission. This ensures that GABA stays at a level
that will keep the message delivery system working
properly.
Scientists hope to further decipher the message
delivery system in the brain and create additional
targets for therapies that will improve treatment and
induce fewer side effects.
Research on the basic mechanisms of how neurons
communicate through chemical messages also may bolster
the search for new treatments that target other
neurological disorders.

A seizure occurs when the message delivery system
becomes unbalanced. Under normal circumstances, the
neurotransmitter GABA does its part to make sure the
system stays in synch by triggering signals in the
form of charged particles (A). It causes a large
concentration of negatively charged chloride particles
(Cl-) to enter the receiving neuron. This tells the
neuron to not pass on the message. When there is not
enough GABA a person can have a seizure because
receiving neurons can be flooded with signals that say
“pass on this message.” The “go” messages are
triggered by a different type of neurotransmitter that
promotes message transfer (B). the charged signals
they set off are positive. This time, more positively
charged sodium particles (Na+) enter the neuron, which
tells the receiving neuron to pass on the message.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.
The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them.
-Al Einstein.

__________________________________
Yahoo! Mail – PC Magazine Editors’ Choice 2005
http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:41:25 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On 10/28/05 12:26 AM, “Boris Leshinsky” <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> l-glutamine

Phew.  You just reminded me I have some from last time I tried to quit.  I just took some.  Honestly, I don’t remember if it helped last time.  I hope it does this time because I do feel clinically depressed but not suicidal.  I’m going to start back up on my vitamins tomorrow.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:31:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

between the two..they appear to be different Mfgs
using different names for the same compound.

We’ve been getting Sabrilex, as it is cheaper.. They
are the same drug, I can’t say for sure if there is
a difference. It has been the case with some drugs
the the generic brand was inferior to a brand name,
from anecdotal evidence, don’t know if that is
true..
I doubt there would be a difference though.

Boris

Yes, granted. But of the two, do you know which is the
Brand and which is the Generic.  Price does not always
reflect the difference, especially if the vendors are
from two different countries.
Do you know.

I believe Sabril was the one used in the study in Mexico. But I think they are actually both brand names. Sabrilex that Mandy is taking is by Aventis. Sabril is Yamanouchi.

Boris

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 3:26:48 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

Sure, don’t waste your money, it does not cross the blood-brain barrier.

GABA is one of the neurotransmitters in your brain responsible for mood control. It is the main inhibitory neurotransmitter, which means it is responsible for “calming” effects. Boosting brain GABA seems to be the main craving control mechanism currently being explored. Benzodiazapines (Valium, Xanax etc) work by slowing down the rate at which the GABA the brain makes is broken down. The epilepsy medications like Vigabatrin work in similar fashion (I think by inhibitting production of of the enzyme that breaks down the GABA), I think. GHB and 14B readily cross the blood-brain barrier and get converted straght into GABA. This is why they are misused as a “date rape drug”. A very steep dose response curve means if you have a little too much or mix with another depressant (like alcohol) you’ll fall asleep, possibly go into a coma or worse. You have to be extremely careful with drugs that directly substitute GABA in the brain. There are many medical uses for these also by the way, so they CAN be used safely.
The precursor to brain GABA is the amino acid l-glutamine. It is one of the amino acids in “End your addiction now”. I don’t know if taking l-glutamine alone would help cravings. I would imagine that it would. 1-3 grams, 3 times a day are the dosages in the book. It is very safe to take. Your body will discard what it cannot use. But it is used elsewhere in the body besides the brain, which is maybe why the GABA you can buy in a health food store may be useful for other purposes. But none of that stuff will get in your brain.
L-glutamine is also useful for anyone coming off a benzo addiction. The reason that benzo and alcohol withdrawal are so dangerous is because the level GABA in your brain drop when you’re addicted to these substances, and your brain relies on them. Take away the benzos or alcohol, brain has not got enough GABA, you get very anxious, go into fits etc. Epilepsy is a condition where the brain GABA is low and that is the cause of the fits.

a bit of a ramble, I am in a rush.. hope that helps
cheers
Boris

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

Years of research on the brain’s message delivery
system is paying off for patients with epilepsy.
Scientists discovered that abnormal levels of
chemicals such as GABA unbalance the system and may
cause a seizure. Now they are developing new
treatments that promote harmony in the message
delivery system and efficiently ward off seizures.

When a chemical thunderstorm churns in the
brain, messages normally delivered with precision from
one cell to the next gush out of control. This flood
of nerve cell chatter may trigger parts of your body
to contract rapidly, your mouth to salivate, a feeling
of “deja vu” and even a total blackout — a seizure.
For years scientists have been analyzing the
brain’s message delivery system in order to find ways
to control seizures. People who experience repeated
seizures suffer from epilepsy. This ailment is one of
the most prevalent neurological disorders, afflicting
approximately one percent of Americans — about 2.5
million people. Seizures can occur in healthy
children, adults and the elderly as well as those with
other disorders such as a brain injury.
Traditional medications are not successful for
all patients and carry numerous side effects. Now
after a 15-year drought, several new epilepsy drugs
are close to approval in the United States. Many of
these recent developments stem from the discovery of
the chemical GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid) in 1950.

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

Nerve cells, or neurons, communicate by
releasing neurotransmitters. These chemical messengers
flow onto other neurons that act as receivers. The
neurotransmitter attaches to a slot on the neuron, or
receptor site. Once attached different
neurotransmitters either trigger “go” signals that
allow the message to be passed on to other cells or
produce “stop” signals that prevent the message from
being forwarded. GABA is the most common
message-altering neurotransmitter in the brain.
The brain has to keep tight control of this
message delivery system to avoid communication chaos.
A single receiving neuron has thousands of receptor
sites and receives many different messages and
passwords at once. Each neuron adds up the incoming
signals and determines whether or not to pass the
information along to other cells. Enzymes help out by
patrolling the brain and eliminating excess
message-halting GABA to ensure a balance in
communication.
Sometimes, however, the system crashes. Normally
each neuron affects only a limited number of other
cells. If a sufficient amount of GABA is lacking,
however, the system goes out of whack, and tens of
thousands of neurons send messages rapidly, intensely
and simultaneously, resulting in a seizure. The
enzymes that normally work to keep GABA at a
satisfactory level may, under some abnormal
conditions, actually trigger the message onslaught by
keeping the levels of GABA too low.
Scientists have applied their knowledge of the
brain’s message delivery system to develop new drugs.
These new treatments prevent epileptic seizures by
keeping the message delivery system in balance. One
drug, vigabatrin, currently is available in Europe and
being evaluated in the United States. The medication
has a chemical structure similar to GABA, making it
attractive to GABA-eliminating enzymes. Vigabatrin
binds to the duped enzymes, knocking them out of
commission. This ensures that GABA stays at a level
that will keep the message delivery system working
properly.
Scientists hope to further decipher the message
delivery system in the brain and create additional
targets for therapies that will improve treatment and
induce fewer side effects.
Research on the basic mechanisms of how neurons
communicate through chemical messages also may bolster
the search for new treatments that target other
neurological disorders.

A seizure occurs when the message delivery system
becomes unbalanced. Under normal circumstances, the
neurotransmitter GABA does its part to make sure the
system stays in synch by triggering signals in the
form of charged particles (A). It causes a large
concentration of negatively charged chloride particles
(Cl-) to enter the receiving neuron. This tells the
neuron to not pass on the message. When there is not
enough GABA a person can have a seizure because
receiving neurons can be flooded with signals that say
“pass on this message.” The “go” messages are
triggered by a different type of neurotransmitter that
promotes message transfer (B). the charged signals
they set off are positive. This time, more positively
charged sodium particles (Na+) enter the neuron, which
tells the receiving neuron to pass on the message.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] If you want to laugh right now
Date: October 28, 2005 at 2:38:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Go to this page:  http://www.scorpioncity.com/depression.html

Scroll down till you get to the depression jokes.  It really has helped me feel better.

b

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 28, 2005 at 2:35:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jon
I agree completely. Once an addiction is curtailed or
overcome, repeat customers are far between if they
stay clean, and the rate of new addictions would
hopefully, from our perspective anyway, be fewer.  A
dwindling market so to speak.  Most drug
addictions/treatments are NOT covered by Health
Insurance.

For all these reasons and the ones we both posted, not
to mention the more nefarious and insidious ones (the
parasites that  make a living and profit off of drug
addiction  (what would a prison guard do otherwise for
a living, what would the DEA do with all those
agents….put them to work in homeland security and
FEMA?), there is little interest for big Pharma
regarding users of  of “illegal” drugs.  Which is a
hyprocricy, a joke, imvho considering people hooked on
Valium, Oxytocin, and the other designer, more in
vogue, socially acceptable stuff.

— jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu> wrote:

As far as the pharmaceutical companies are
concerned, the problem is
that there’s far too LITTLE money to be made in
addiction. first of all,
there are just a lot less people out there with
chemical dependency
problems than there are, for instance, people who
have depression,
impotence, male pattern baldness, etc. second, drug
companies like drugs
that people have to take for the rest of their lives
(eg, prozac). once
you’ve kicked, they can’t make any more money off
you. third, people who
are drug dependent have one of the highest mortality
rates of any
clinical population. there’s absolutely no money in
a dead patient.

so yeah, all the stuff you said about money to be
made by the courts,
lawyers, cops, etc is definately a major reason
drugs are still illegal,
despite a great deal of evidence that things would
be a lot better if
they weren’t. but it’s the opposite problem with
drug treatment.
developing a medication to treat drug dependency
usually seems like a
poor investment to most drug company shareholders.

yay for the intersection of science and capitalism.

jon

ps. patrick! i will give you my left kidney if you
get the mail server
working again! =)

Boris,

Thank you for the reply and good information. And
thanks for the links, I’m just starting on my
quest
and they will be helpful. Especially, it seems,
the
book.

I’m getting really tired of the status quo
pandering
from the Medical establishement in this country
sing
songing that there is nothing to help with
addiction
cravings other than the usual 12 step programs,
psychotherapy, behavior modification, etc.  It
stands
to reason that they would not consider these drugs
being made available in this country…..there is
just
TOO much money to be made from addiction. Courts,
prisons, law enforcement agencies all have a huge
stake in not dowsizing the economic bloodlines
they
help perpetuate with their “War on Drugs”.  Me
thinks
the war they are really waging is not allowing for
consideration, drugs that might possibly work.

How in the hell can anyone, without some sort of
chemical intervention modify their behavior to any
workable degree by intent or willpower alone when
brain chemistry is so fundamentally altered by the
effects of drugs.

Ibogaine is so hopeful, yes, but in reality,
treatment
is not easily affordable to most users or their
families as other financial resources. The
standard
$5,000 to $20,000 is most certainly beyond our
financial means at this moment as it is to I
presume
many others on this list.

It seems that the “craving” is the most difficult
part
of recovery. And if a person can get at least a
running start, then  other behavior modification
programs have a chance of succeeding.

I watch my son morph from Dr. Jykle to Mr. Hyde
when
the “cravings” come upon him.  He gets like a
freaking
werewolf. Its a very sad thing to witness and I
can
only imagine what it must feel like.

Anyway, thank you and I will be contacting you off
list if its OK with you.

Warm regards,

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:

Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking
it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come
up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”).  She was ok for 2
months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided
to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later.
That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how
much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because
she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and
eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not
help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle
fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin,
speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use
has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has
helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of
other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends
in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get
Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase
Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors
would
prescribe it.
I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I
think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers

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Best regards,
Carol

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Idid it! After 10 PM and still sober
Date: October 28, 2005 at 1:49:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

Phew.  It was hard but I got through the worst of it and I think I will be able to sleep soon.   Maybe by midnight.  I spent a lot of time reading different things about why it’s not a good idea for me to try to taper off and have a beer for the shakes.  It has not worked for me in the past and I just don’t have enough support – it’s just not an option for me.

I also am able to feel less upset – I had some warm milk with honey in it and  I was surprised to find that it worked well in helping me feel better.

I know I’m going to have a great life, I am going to love sobriety and I am going to learn new ways to cope and there are a lot of people who are going to help me because I simply cannot do this alone right now.

I’m looking forward to my journey and I’ll have a lot of support until then.

Thanks for listening again.

Brenda

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] positive affirmation
Date: October 28, 2005 at 1:36:32 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks.  I loved that!


…What you are is G-d’s gift to you. What you become is your gift to G-d…

On 10/27/05 8:11 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

speaker started off his seminar

by holding up a $20.00 bill. In the room of 200, he asked,

“Who would like this $20 bill?”

Hands started going up.

He said, “I am going to give this $20 to one of you

but first, let me do this.

He proceeded to crumple up the $20 dollar bill.

He then asked, “Who still wants it?”

Still the hands were up in the air.

Well, he replied, “What if I do this?”

And he dropped it on the ground

and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe.

He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty.

“Now, who still wants it?”

Still the hands went into the air.

My friends, we have all learned a very valuable lesson.

No matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it

because it did not decrease in value.

It was still worth $20.

Many times in our lives,

we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt

by the decisions we make and

the circumstances that come our way.

We feel as though we are worthless.

But no matter what has happened or

what will happen, you will never lose your value.

Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased,

you are still priceless to those who DO LOVE you.

The worth of our lives comes not in what we do or who we

know,

but by WHO WE ARE.

You are special- Don’t EVER forget it.”

From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 28, 2005 at 1:16:56 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

As far as the pharmaceutical companies are concerned, the problem is that there’s far too LITTLE money to be made in addiction. first of all, there are just a lot less people out there with chemical dependency problems than there are, for instance, people who have depression, impotence, male pattern baldness, etc. second, drug companies like drugs that people have to take for the rest of their lives (eg, prozac). once you’ve kicked, they can’t make any more money off you. third, people who are drug dependent have one of the highest mortality rates of any clinical population. there’s absolutely no money in a dead patient.

so yeah, all the stuff you said about money to be made by the courts, lawyers, cops, etc is definately a major reason drugs are still illegal, despite a great deal of evidence that things would be a lot better if they weren’t. but it’s the opposite problem with drug treatment. developing a medication to treat drug dependency usually seems like a poor investment to most drug company shareholders.

yay for the intersection of science and capitalism.

jon

ps. patrick! i will give you my left kidney if you get the mail server working again! =)

Boris,
Thank you for the reply and good information. And
thanks for the links, I’m just starting on my quest
and they will be helpful. Especially, it seems,  the
book.
I’m getting really tired of the status quo pandering
from the Medical establishement in this country sing
songing that there is nothing to help with addiction
cravings other than the usual 12 step programs,
psychotherapy, behavior modification, etc.  It stands
to reason that they would not consider these drugs
being made available in this country…..there is just
TOO much money to be made from addiction. Courts,
prisons, law enforcement agencies all have a huge
stake in not dowsizing the economic bloodlines they
help perpetuate with their “War on Drugs”.  Me thinks
the war they are really waging is not allowing for
consideration, drugs that might possibly work.  How in the hell can anyone, without some sort of
chemical intervention modify their behavior to any
workable degree by intent or willpower alone when
brain chemistry is so fundamentally altered by the
effects of drugs. Ibogaine is so hopeful, yes, but in reality, treatment
is not easily affordable to most users or their
families as other financial resources. The standard
$5,000 to $20,000 is most certainly beyond our
financial means at this moment as it is to I presume
many others on this list. It seems that the “craving” is the most difficult part
of recovery. And if a person can get at least a
running start, then  other behavior modification
programs have a chance of succeeding. I watch my son morph from Dr. Jykle to Mr. Hyde when
the “cravings” come upon him.  He gets like a freaking
werewolf. Its a very sad thing to witness and I can
only imagine what it must feel like. Anyway, thank you and I will be contacting you off
list if its OK with you. Warm regards,  — Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”).  She was ok for 2 months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later. That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin, speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would
prescribe it. I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris
— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”).  She was ok for 2 months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later. That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin, speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would
prescribe it. I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris

—- Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/05/anti.addiction.drug/
Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
cocaine
As of now, the only treatment for cocaine addicts

is

counseling August 5, 1998
Web posted at: 10:17 a.m. EDT (1417 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) — An epilepsy drug is showing

promise

as a possible treatment for cocaine addiction,
researchers say.

A decade-long study of the experimental epilepsy

drug

Vigabatrin has shown it to be a powerful tool for
fighting cocaine addition in both baboons and

rats.

Now researchers are hopeful the drug will prove

useful

in fighting addictions in humans as well.

“People addicted to cocaine have a very high

relapse

rate, and we haven’t (had) anything by way of
medication to help them,” explained Dr. Rodney

Burback

of Suburban Hospital in Rockville, Maryland.

Vigabatrin works at combating addiction by

preventing

the “high” and other effects of cocaine in much

the

same way it prevents an epileptic seizure — it

alters

the way brain cells communicate with each other.

As part of their study, researchers gave cocaine

to

rats until they became addicted and continuously
pushed a bar in their cages to get more and more
cocaine. Once Vigabatrin was administered,

researchers

say the rats stopped self-administering the

cocaine.

Unlike other pharmaceutical treatments for drug
addiction, Vigabatrin itself is not addictive.

“It’s not a drug that produces withdrawal. It’s

not a

drug that produces tolerance. In other words, we

don’t

need to give more of it over time to get the same
effect,” explained Dr. Stephen Dewey a

neuroanatomist

at Brookhaven National Laboratory, who led the
research team.
rat
Vigabatrin was successful in helping lab rats get

over

cocaine addiction
Vigabatrin works by increasing levels of a
neurotransmitter in the brain called GABA. High

GABA

levels lead to low levels of another

neurotransmitter

called dopamine, the brain’s “feel good” chemical

that

is at the heart of drug addiction. By lowering
dopamine levels in the brain, cravings for cocaine

can

be stopped.

Researchers studied the brain scans of baboons

before

and after they had taken cocaine. The primates

that

had been given a dose of Vigabatrin before their
cocaine dose showed normal levels of dopamine in

the

brain, compared with those that had not been given

the

epilepsy drug.

Researchers also gave rats cocaine repeatedly over
several days and monitored their tendency to go to

a

place where they had obtained cocaine before. With
Vigabatrin, the rodents did not stay in the place
associated with cocaine but moved around their

cage.

Dewey said the finding was important for people

who

are addicted to cocaine and other drugs because

their

cravings are often sparked by factors such as

seeing

similar-looking substances or a person with whom

they

might have shared drugs.

“Because cocaine addiction is part biochemistry

and

part behavior, these results confirm that it is
possible to attack it on both fronts,” said

Charles

Ashby, a St. John’s University researcher who

worked

on the behavioral part of the study.

This doesn’t mean, however, that Vigabatrin will

have

the same affect on people. Many anti-addiction

drugs

that have succeeded in animals have failed in

human

trials. There may also be side effect. Vigabatrin

has

caused a small number of people to have vision
problems.

In the fall, researchers at Brookhaven National
Laboratory and New York University plan to start a
90-day clinical trial to test the drug’s

effectiveness

on volunteer human cocaine addicts.

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:48:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Hi Boris,
Info Per the website. In your post you state 50mg.
Did
you mean 500mg?

my mistake, I meant 500mg!

Thank you. 🙂

between the two..they appear to be different Mfgs
using different names for the same compound.

We’ve been getting Sabrilex, as it is cheaper.. They
are the same drug, I can’t say for sure if there is
a difference. It has been the case with some drugs
the the generic brand was inferior to a brand name,
from anecdotal evidence, don’t know if that is
true..
I doubt there would be a difference though.

Boris

Yes, granted. But of the two, do you know which is the
Brand and which is the Generic.  Price does not always
reflect the difference, especially if the vendors are
from two different countries.
Do you know.

Best regards,
Carol

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:42:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

1-(2-(((diphenylmethylene)amino)oxy)ethyl)-1,2,5,6-tetrahydro-3-pyridinecarboxylic
acid hydrochloride (NNC-711), a GABA uptake
inhibitor,
dose and time dependently diminished increases in
extracellular dopamine following acute cocaine
challenge. Furthermore, we demonstrated that
cyclized
analogue of vigabatrin, a competitive reversible
GABA-transaminase inhibitor, is a more potent
inhibitor of cocaine-induced dopamine increase than
vigabatrin. Our data suggest that in addition to
irreversible inhibition of GABA transaminase,
inhibition of GABA uptake represent another
potentially effective, indirect strategy for the
treatment of cocaine abuse.

Boris,
Wondering….have you done any research on GABA.

https://ww1.betterbodz.com/cgi-bin/shop/category.cgi?category=search&item=B003101&type=store

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/epilepsy.html

Epilepsy and GABA

Years of research on the brain’s message delivery
system is paying off for patients with epilepsy.
Scientists discovered that abnormal levels of
chemicals such as GABA unbalance the system and may
cause a seizure. Now they are developing new
treatments that promote harmony in the message
delivery system and efficiently ward off seizures.

When a chemical thunderstorm churns in the
brain, messages normally delivered with precision from
one cell to the next gush out of control. This flood
of nerve cell chatter may trigger parts of your body
to contract rapidly, your mouth to salivate, a feeling
of “deja vu” and even a total blackout — a seizure.
For years scientists have been analyzing the
brain’s message delivery system in order to find ways
to control seizures. People who experience repeated
seizures suffer from epilepsy. This ailment is one of
the most prevalent neurological disorders, afflicting
approximately one percent of Americans — about 2.5
million people. Seizures can occur in healthy
children, adults and the elderly as well as those with
other disorders such as a brain injury.
Traditional medications are not successful for
all patients and carry numerous side effects. Now
after a 15-year drought, several new epilepsy drugs
are close to approval in the United States. Many of
these recent developments stem from the discovery of
the chemical GABA (gamma-amino butyric acid) in 1950.

This discovery is leading to:

* The understanding of how different chemicals
maintain balance in the brain’s message delivery
system.
* New ideas for preventing epileptic seizures.

Nerve cells, or neurons, communicate by
releasing neurotransmitters. These chemical messengers
flow onto other neurons that act as receivers. The
neurotransmitter attaches to a slot on the neuron, or
receptor site. Once attached different
neurotransmitters either trigger “go” signals that
allow the message to be passed on to other cells or
produce “stop” signals that prevent the message from
being forwarded. GABA is the most common
message-altering neurotransmitter in the brain.
The brain has to keep tight control of this
message delivery system to avoid communication chaos.
A single receiving neuron has thousands of receptor
sites and receives many different messages and
passwords at once. Each neuron adds up the incoming
signals and determines whether or not to pass the
information along to other cells. Enzymes help out by
patrolling the brain and eliminating excess
message-halting GABA to ensure a balance in
communication.
Sometimes, however, the system crashes. Normally
each neuron affects only a limited number of other
cells. If a sufficient amount of GABA is lacking,
however, the system goes out of whack, and tens of
thousands of neurons send messages rapidly, intensely
and simultaneously, resulting in a seizure. The
enzymes that normally work to keep GABA at a
satisfactory level may, under some abnormal
conditions, actually trigger the message onslaught by
keeping the levels of GABA too low.
Scientists have applied their knowledge of the
brain’s message delivery system to develop new drugs.
These new treatments prevent epileptic seizures by
keeping the message delivery system in balance. One
drug, vigabatrin, currently is available in Europe and
being evaluated in the United States. The medication
has a chemical structure similar to GABA, making it
attractive to GABA-eliminating enzymes. Vigabatrin
binds to the duped enzymes, knocking them out of
commission. This ensures that GABA stays at a level
that will keep the message delivery system working
properly.
Scientists hope to further decipher the message
delivery system in the brain and create additional
targets for therapies that will improve treatment and
induce fewer side effects.
Research on the basic mechanisms of how neurons
communicate through chemical messages also may bolster
the search for new treatments that target other
neurological disorders.

A seizure occurs when the message delivery system
becomes unbalanced. Under normal circumstances, the
neurotransmitter GABA does its part to make sure the
system stays in synch by triggering signals in the
form of charged particles (A). It causes a large
concentration of negatively charged chloride particles
(Cl-) to enter the receiving neuron. This tells the
neuron to not pass on the message. When there is not
enough GABA a person can have a seizure because
receiving neurons can be flooded with signals that say
“pass on this message.” The “go” messages are
triggered by a different type of neurotransmitter that
promotes message transfer (B). the charged signals
they set off are positive. This time, more positively
charged sodium particles (Na+) enter the neuron, which
tells the receiving neuron to pass on the message.

A larger, higher resolution version of the graphic is
available

Best regards,
Carol

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:42:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Boris,
Info Per the website. In your post you state 50mg. Did
you mean 500mg?

my mistake, I meant 500mg!

Apparently, they only offer 500 mg
tablets and 50mg compress.  They also offer SABRILEX
#22,23) and SABRIL (#24). From your research and
experience, which appears good, is there a difference
between the two..they appear to be different Mfgs
using different names for the same compound.

We’ve been getting Sabrilex, as it is cheaper.. They are the same drug, I can’t say for sure if there is a difference. It has been the case with some drugs the the generic brand was inferior to a brand name, from anecdotal evidence, don’t know if that is true..
I doubt there would be a difference though.

Boris

22. Sabrilex 500 mg   50 compress   $ 80.47
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Aventis, ES)

23. Sabrilex 500 mg 100 Tablets $ 133.55
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Aventis, ES)

24. Sabril 500mg 100 Tablets $ 149.04 Add To Cart
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Yamanouchi, NL)

Best regards,
Carol

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 28, 2005 at 12:23:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

.

You will need 5 boxes of 100 x 50mg tablets to do
the usage course in that study done in Mexico. Read
the study documentation for dosage. Its about 2mg
twice daily for about 5-6 weeks, with  1-2 weeks
either side to build up and taper down. About 160
euros per box, if I remember correctly ($200
australian).

Hi Boris,
Info Per the website. In your post you state 50mg. Did
you mean 500mg? Apparently, they only offer 500 mg
tablets and 50mg compress.  They also offer SABRILEX
#22,23) and SABRIL (#24). From your research and
experience, which appears good, is there a difference
between the two..they appear to be different Mfgs
using different names for the same compound.

22. Sabrilex 500 mg   50 compress   $ 80.47
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Aventis, ES)

23. Sabrilex 500 mg 100 Tablets $ 133.55
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Aventis, ES)

24. Sabril 500mg 100 Tablets $ 149.04 Add To Cart
500.00 mg Vigabatrin (Yamanouchi, NL)

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:57:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You can order it on the internet without a prescription. More expensive, but what can you do.

Here:
www.goldpharma.com

I’ve ordered from there, no problem, arrived within 2-3 weeks.
I’ve also ordered from another place, can’t remember the address, have it at home, email me if there are problems with the one above. Shipped from Europe. Spain, I think. The other was from somewhere in the Pacific, Fiji or something.

They give you a prescription, you just filll out a questionnaire. They reckon they have  a doctor review your answers and approve your prescription. Whatever.

You will need 5 boxes of 100 x 50mg tablets to do the usage course in that study done in Mexico. Read the study documentation for dosage. Its about 2mg twice daily for about 5-6 weeks, with  1-2 weeks either side to build up and taper down. About 160 euros per box, if I remember correctly ($200 australian).
Its in the epilepsy section.

its not abusable. It works similarly to benzodiazapines, slower acting, more suble, slightly different mechanism, but both slow down the breakdown of brain GABA.
Most common side effect of sleepiness. Some people get some headaches.
(BTW ghb/14b, as I mentioned earlier, get converted straght into GABA in the brain, hence the effectiveness for cravings – knocks the dopamine/adrenalin levels right down fast. Not 100% effective, but still very effective.)

good luck!
Boris

—- CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:

Very interesting!
I have a good friend who is a crack addict. He goes on binges about every
two or three weeks. He has nothing left materially or emotionally. It is very
sad.
He states he has accepted the fact that he will always smoke crack as it  is
the most pleasurable thing he has ever experienced. He even acknowledges the
losses he has suffered but will still look you dead in the eye and say he
knows  but he will never quit.
He says the cravings are totally consuming.
He says he can’t deny the cravings once they start.
I would be interested to see how he would do in a study like this. I  think
he would try it.

Thanks saffire for posting that! More hope in the future!
Callie

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:23:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Very interesting!
I have a good friend who is a crack addict. He goes on binges about every two or three weeks. He has nothing left materially or emotionally. It is very sad.
He states he has accepted the fact that he will always smoke crack as it is the most pleasurable thing he has ever experienced. He even acknowledges the losses he has suffered but will still look you dead in the eye and say he knows but he will never quit.
He says the cravings are totally consuming.
He says he can’t deny the cravings once they start.
I would be interested to see how he would do in a study like this. I think he would try it.

Thanks saffire for posting that! More hope in the future!
Callie

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] positive affirmation
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:19:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This posting is lovely. Thank you!

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] positive affirmation
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:11:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

speaker started off his seminar

by holding up a $20.00 bill. In the room of 200, he asked,

“Who would like this $20 bill?”

Hands started going up.

He said, “I am going to give this $20 to one of you

but first, let me do this.

He proceeded to crumple up the $20 dollar bill.

He then asked, “Who still wants it?”

Still the hands were up in the air.

Well, he replied, “What if I do this?”

And he dropped it on the ground

and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe.

He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty.

“Now, who still wants it?”

Still the hands went into the air.

My friends, we have all learned a very valuable lesson.

No matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it

because it did not decrease in value.

It was still worth $20.

Many times in our lives,

we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt

by the decisions we make and

the circumstances that come our way.

We feel as though we are worthless.

But no matter what has happened or

what will happen, you will never lose your value.

Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased,

you are still priceless to those who DO LOVE you.

The worth of our lives comes not in what we do or who we

know,

but by WHO WE ARE.

You are special- Don’t EVER forget it.”

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] positive affirmation
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:11:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

speaker started off his seminar

by holding up a $20.00 bill. In the room of 200, he asked,

“Who would like this $20 bill?”

Hands started going up.

He said, “I am going to give this $20 to one of you

but first, let me do this.

He proceeded to crumple up the $20 dollar bill.

He then asked, “Who still wants it?”

Still the hands were up in the air.

Well, he replied, “What if I do this?”

And he dropped it on the ground

and started to grind it into the floor with his shoe.

He picked it up, now crumpled and dirty.

“Now, who still wants it?”

Still the hands went into the air.

My friends, we have all learned a very valuable lesson.

No matter what I did to the money, you still wanted it

because it did not decrease in value.

It was still worth $20.

Many times in our lives,

we are dropped, crumpled, and ground into the dirt

by the decisions we make and

the circumstances that come our way.

We feel as though we are worthless.

But no matter what has happened or

what will happen, you will never lose your value.

Dirty or clean, crumpled or finely creased,

you are still priceless to those who DO LOVE you.

The worth of our lives comes not in what we do or who we

know,

but by WHO WE ARE.

You are special- Don’t EVER forget it.”

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanksx2 for both laughs Callie
Date: October 27, 2005 at 11:07:21 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/27/2005 4:07:48 AM Central Daylight Time, my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk writes:
LOL I missed that one. Thanks Jasen.

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Callie,

What are you talking about,..Bea is a woman not a bloke…….

Hey,..that joke you sent cracked me up,..thanks

with love, Jasen

Subject: [Ibogaine] Bea.

Can you enlarge your front to size 12 or 14? I can hardly see yours it is so small!
Tanks in advance!
Callie

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated: www.my-eboga.com/network.html.

LMAO!!! I read your post earlier Jasen and could not figure out what you were talking about. Now I see my spelling error!
I just kill myself sometime!
Callie

From: darkmattersfo@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Cravings
Date: October 27, 2005 at 10:44:39 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Girlfriend you can do it.

The rest I say is very opinionated and something I would say to a close friend, so forgive the generalities of the following.

I would suggest you stop battling with using or not. Turn your back on the option of using. disengage from that damn chattering monkey. The more you argue with it the more it can wear you down. Monkeys are very convincing and you have to shut them out.  You have made your decision on the course of treatment you are going to pursue and I support you 100%.

Keep your focus on what you want to achieve and white knuckle it if you have to, you can get to the other side of this thing. I did. I had an 8 year IV methamphetamine habit to beat.

I think we all hurt when as we approach divorcing the substance we lean on to get through life.

Pain is a part of life. You can suffer it for now. I know you can. What awaits you after your addiction is worth the pain.

Love,

Mark

I thought I was gonna get through this with no cravings.  The fucking monkey
started doing this realy weird thing to me and I had a visualization of
going to the liqiour store and picking up ONE 24 oz bud light.  JUST ONE  I
can do it.

I’m not going to do it.  I refuse to be controlled.

So, I went to the Mindvox website and laughed my ass off at the pictures
page.  Then I started crying.  I’m done crying now.

Thanks, BTW, for creating that website and this list.  I’m feeling a little
confused and can’t quite grasp who created the website, it probably says it
right on the page in really big letters.  Whoever you are, I love you.  I
hope that’s OK.

Will she do it?  I’m on the edge people.  I feel  like shit.  It’s starting
to hurt.

Oh well, it won’t last forever.  I’m not going to flip out, lose my mind or
anything like that.

Maybe I should read the Power of Now again.  That sounds like a good idea.
Maybe spirit beings will come and save me.

Thanks for listening.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Cravings
Date: October 27, 2005 at 10:28:08 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I thought I was gonna get through this with no cravings.  The fucking monkey
started doing this realy weird thing to me and I had a visualization of
going to the liqiour store and picking up ONE 24 oz bud light.  JUST ONE  I
can do it.

I’m not going to do it.  I refuse to be controlled.

So, I went to the Mindvox website and laughed my ass off at the pictures
page.  Then I started crying.  I’m done crying now.

Thanks, BTW, for creating that website and this list.  I’m feeling a little
confused and can’t quite grasp who created the website, it probably says it
right on the page in really big letters.  Whoever you are, I love you.  I
hope that’s OK.

Will she do it?  I’m on the edge people.  I feel  like shit.  It’s starting
to hurt.

Oh well, it won’t last forever.  I’m not going to flip out, lose my mind or
anything like that.

Maybe I should read the Power of Now again.  That sounds like a good idea.
Maybe spirit beings will come and save me.

Thanks for listening.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 27, 2005 at 10:03:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Boris,

Thank you for the reply and good information. And
thanks for the links, I’m just starting on my quest
and they will be helpful. Especially, it seems,  the
book.

I’m getting really tired of the status quo pandering
from the Medical establishement in this country sing
songing that there is nothing to help with addiction
cravings other than the usual 12 step programs,
psychotherapy, behavior modification, etc.  It stands
to reason that they would not consider these drugs
being made available in this country…..there is just
TOO much money to be made from addiction. Courts,
prisons, law enforcement agencies all have a huge
stake in not dowsizing the economic bloodlines they
help perpetuate with their “War on Drugs”.  Me thinks
the war they are really waging is not allowing for
consideration, drugs that might possibly work.

How in the hell can anyone, without some sort of
chemical intervention modify their behavior to any
workable degree by intent or willpower alone when
brain chemistry is so fundamentally altered by the
effects of drugs.

Ibogaine is so hopeful, yes, but in reality, treatment
is not easily affordable to most users or their
families as other financial resources. The standard
$5,000 to $20,000 is most certainly beyond our
financial means at this moment as it is to I presume
many others on this list.

It seems that the “craving” is the most difficult part
of recovery. And if a person can get at least a
running start, then  other behavior modification
programs have a chance of succeeding.

I watch my son morph from Dr. Jykle to Mr. Hyde when
the “cravings” come upon him.  He gets like a freaking
werewolf. Its a very sad thing to witness and I can
only imagine what it must feel like.

Anyway, thank you and I will be contacting you off
list if its OK with you.

Warm regards,

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”).  She was ok for 2 months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later.
That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin,
speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would
prescribe it.
I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris

— Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin
(Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it
for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with
cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up,
but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once
cravings started they did not go away until she
used, which was about once a month. I think the
first breakthrough came when she started taking
amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book
“end your addiction now”).  She was ok for 2 months,
longer than ever before, than strong cravings were
triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to
tell all about how much fun he was having using
morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks
later.
That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not
having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much
of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she
was already improving before that. She’s also made
other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating
better and not seeing old using friends.. but she
made these changes earlier too and that did not help
much when the cravings came. One other thing that
helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2
months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings
go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation.
ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin,
speed or cocaine) there was not the associated
imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the
experience of the needle, which made it easier for
her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has
grown over time and she has distanced herself from
everything associated with that part of her life
over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped.
But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other
things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the
sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes,
determination and support from family and friends in
the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin
or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to
ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin
on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would
prescribe it.
I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin
studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk
about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or
similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective
for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think
they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and
mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to
break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with
GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris

—- Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/05/anti.addiction.drug/
Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
cocaine
As of now, the only treatment for cocaine addicts
is
counseling
August 5, 1998
Web posted at: 10:17 a.m. EDT (1417 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) — An epilepsy drug is showing
promise
as a possible treatment for cocaine addiction,
researchers say.

A decade-long study of the experimental epilepsy
drug
Vigabatrin has shown it to be a powerful tool for
fighting cocaine addition in both baboons and
rats.
Now researchers are hopeful the drug will prove
useful
in fighting addictions in humans as well.

“People addicted to cocaine have a very high
relapse
rate, and we haven’t (had) anything by way of
medication to help them,” explained Dr. Rodney
Burback
of Suburban Hospital in Rockville, Maryland.

Vigabatrin works at combating addiction by
preventing
the “high” and other effects of cocaine in much
the
same way it prevents an epileptic seizure — it
alters
the way brain cells communicate with each other.

As part of their study, researchers gave cocaine
to
rats until they became addicted and continuously
pushed a bar in their cages to get more and more
cocaine. Once Vigabatrin was administered,
researchers
say the rats stopped self-administering the
cocaine.

Unlike other pharmaceutical treatments for drug
addiction, Vigabatrin itself is not addictive.

“It’s not a drug that produces withdrawal. It’s
not a
drug that produces tolerance. In other words, we
don’t
need to give more of it over time to get the same
effect,” explained Dr. Stephen Dewey a
neuroanatomist
at Brookhaven National Laboratory, who led the
research team.
rat
Vigabatrin was successful in helping lab rats get
over
cocaine addiction

Vigabatrin works by increasing levels of a
neurotransmitter in the brain called GABA. High
GABA
levels lead to low levels of another
neurotransmitter
called dopamine, the brain’s “feel good” chemical
that
is at the heart of drug addiction. By lowering
dopamine levels in the brain, cravings for cocaine
can
be stopped.

Researchers studied the brain scans of baboons
before
and after they had taken cocaine. The primates
that
had been given a dose of Vigabatrin before their
cocaine dose showed normal levels of dopamine in
the
brain, compared with those that had not been given
the
epilepsy drug.

Researchers also gave rats cocaine repeatedly over
several days and monitored their tendency to go to
a
place where they had obtained cocaine before. With
Vigabatrin, the rodents did not stay in the place
associated with cocaine but moved around their
cage.

Dewey said the finding was important for people
who
are addicted to cocaine and other drugs because
their
cravings are often sparked by factors such as
seeing
similar-looking substances or a person with whom
they
might have shared drugs.

“Because cocaine addiction is part biochemistry
and
part behavior, these results confirm that it is
possible to attack it on both fronts,” said
Charles
Ashby, a St. John’s University researcher who
worked
on the behavioral part of the study.

This doesn’t mean, however, that Vigabatrin will
have
the same affect on people. Many anti-addiction
drugs
that have succeeded in animals have failed in
human
trials. There may also be side effect. Vigabatrin
has
caused a small number of people to have vision
problems.

In the fall, researchers at Brookhaven National
Laboratory and New York University plan to start a
90-day clinical trial to test the drug’s
effectiveness
on volunteer human cocaine addicts.

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Best regards,
Carol

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Earth to Patrick
Date: October 27, 2005 at 9:18:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jessssss?

Anybody out there from south Florida?

.:vector:.

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From: Boris Leshinsky <bleshins@bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 27, 2005 at 9:09:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mandy (my partner) is currently taking Vigabatrin (Sabril/Sabrilex) for cravings. She’s been taking it for about 5 weeks. She’s not having problems with cravings at the moment. Occassionally some come up, but then go away. Previously to 5 months ago once cravings started they did not go away until she used, which was about once a month. I think the first breakthrough came when she started taking amino acids, (dosages as recommended in the book “end your addiction now”).  She was ok for 2 months, longer than ever before, than strong cravings were triggered after seeing an old friend who decided to tell all about how much fun he was having using morphine. She used once after that, about 2 weeks later.
That was about 2 and a half months ago. She is not having problems with cravings. I can’t say how much of that is due solely to the Vigabtrin, because she was already improving before that. She’s also made other changes in her life, doing exercise and eating better and not seeing old using friends.. but she made these changes earlier too and that did not help much when the cravings came. One other thing that helped – she had some hypnosis sessions about 2 months ago. The hypnosis did not make her cravings go away, but it seemed to break the needle fixation. ie, when she got a craving for a drug (heroin,  speed or cocaine) there was not the associated imagery of using a fit, no actual cravings for the experience of the needle, which made it easier for her to deal with it. Also her resolve to not use has grown over time and she has distanced herself from everything associated with that part of her life over the last few months, determined to move on.

At this stage I would say the Vigabatrin has helped. But in has been in conjunction with a bunch of other things – amino acid therapy and hypnosis at the sharp end (pun intended) and life-style changes, determination and support from family and friends in the longer term.

If anyone would like to know where to get Vigabatrin or about anything else I’ve mentioned feel free to ask. You can safely and legally purchase Vigabatrin on the internet, as I don’t think many doctors would prescribe it.
I think these are the people doing the Vigabatrin studies:
http://www.bnl.gov/CTN/GVG/
Here’s a PDF of the trial the posted articles talk about:
http://www.catalystpharma.com/1st%20Trial.pdf
(We derived dosages and time-lines from this or similar document)
The studies also say the drug should be effective for other addictions too, not just cocaine. I think they’ve tried it with meth addicts also, and mentioned they think it should work for heroin.

Oh yeah, one more thing. The most effective way to break a really strong cravings we’ve found is with GHB or 14B. Emergency use only, though.

cheers
Boris

—- Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/05/anti.addiction.drug/
Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
cocaine
As of now, the only treatment for cocaine addicts is
counseling
August 5, 1998
Web posted at: 10:17 a.m. EDT (1417 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) — An epilepsy drug is showing promise
as a possible treatment for cocaine addiction,
researchers say.

A decade-long study of the experimental epilepsy drug
Vigabatrin has shown it to be a powerful tool for
fighting cocaine addition in both baboons and rats.
Now researchers are hopeful the drug will prove useful
in fighting addictions in humans as well.

“People addicted to cocaine have a very high relapse
rate, and we haven’t (had) anything by way of
medication to help them,” explained Dr. Rodney Burback
of Suburban Hospital in Rockville, Maryland.

Vigabatrin works at combating addiction by preventing
the “high” and other effects of cocaine in much the
same way it prevents an epileptic seizure — it alters
the way brain cells communicate with each other.

As part of their study, researchers gave cocaine to
rats until they became addicted and continuously
pushed a bar in their cages to get more and more
cocaine. Once Vigabatrin was administered, researchers
say the rats stopped self-administering the cocaine.

Unlike other pharmaceutical treatments for drug
addiction, Vigabatrin itself is not addictive.

“It’s not a drug that produces withdrawal. It’s not a
drug that produces tolerance. In other words, we don’t
need to give more of it over time to get the same
effect,” explained Dr. Stephen Dewey a neuroanatomist
at Brookhaven National Laboratory, who led the
research team.
rat
Vigabatrin was successful in helping lab rats get over
cocaine addiction

Vigabatrin works by increasing levels of a
neurotransmitter in the brain called GABA. High GABA
levels lead to low levels of another neurotransmitter
called dopamine, the brain’s “feel good” chemical that
is at the heart of drug addiction. By lowering
dopamine levels in the brain, cravings for cocaine can
be stopped.

Researchers studied the brain scans of baboons before
and after they had taken cocaine. The primates that
had been given a dose of Vigabatrin before their
cocaine dose showed normal levels of dopamine in the
brain, compared with those that had not been given the
epilepsy drug.

Researchers also gave rats cocaine repeatedly over
several days and monitored their tendency to go to a
place where they had obtained cocaine before. With
Vigabatrin, the rodents did not stay in the place
associated with cocaine but moved around their cage.

Dewey said the finding was important for people who
are addicted to cocaine and other drugs because their
cravings are often sparked by factors such as seeing
similar-looking substances or a person with whom they
might have shared drugs.

“Because cocaine addiction is part biochemistry and
part behavior, these results confirm that it is
possible to attack it on both fronts,” said Charles
Ashby, a St. John’s University researcher who worked
on the behavioral part of the study.

This doesn’t mean, however, that Vigabatrin will have
the same affect on people. Many anti-addiction drugs
that have succeeded in animals have failed in human
trials. There may also be side effect. Vigabatrin has
caused a small number of people to have vision
problems.

In the fall, researchers at Brookhaven National
Laboratory and New York University plan to start a
90-day clinical trial to test the drug’s effectiveness
on volunteer human cocaine addicts.

Vigabatrin is already being used in Europe and Canada
to treat epilepsy, but it is not yet available in the
United States.

Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen and Reuters
contributed to

— Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote:

Gamma-Aminobutyric acid mimetic drugs differentially
inhibit the dopaminergic response to cocaine
by
Gerasimov MR, Schiffer WK, Brodie JD,
Lennon IC, Taylor SJ, Dewey SL
Chemistry Department,
Brookhaven National Laboratory,
Upton, NY, USA
Eur J Pharmacol 2000 Apr 28; 395(2):129-135

ABSTRACT

Dopaminergic activity in the mesocorticolimbic
system is associated with reinforcing properties of
psychostimulant drugs. We previously demonstrated
that
increased gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA)-ergic
activity produced by gamma-vinyl GABA
[D,L-4-amino-hex-5-enoic acid (Vigabatrin(R))], an
irreversible inhibitor of GABA-transaminase,
attenuated cocaine, nicotine, heroin, alcohol, and
methamphetamine-induced increases in extracellular
nucleus accumbens dopamine as well as behaviors
associated with these biochemical changes. In the
present study, using in vivo microdialysis
techniques,
we compared three different strategies to increase
GABAergic activity in order to modulate
cocaine-induced increase in extracellular dopamine.
Our data demonstrate that the anticonvulsant

1-(2-(((diphenylmethylene)amino)oxy)ethyl)-1,2,5,6-tetrahydro-3-pyridinecarboxylic
acid hydrochloride (NNC-711), a GABA uptake
inhibitor,
dose and time dependently diminished increases in
extracellular dopamine following acute cocaine
challenge. Furthermore, we demonstrated that
cyclized
analogue of vigabatrin, a competitive reversible
GABA-transaminase inhibitor, is a more potent
inhibitor of cocaine-induced dopamine increase than
vigabatrin. Our data suggest that in addition to
irreversible inhibition of GABA transaminase,
inhibition of GABA uptake represent another
potentially effective, indirect strategy for the
treatment of cocaine abuse.

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life.
The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same
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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Plans
Date: October 27, 2005 at 8:16:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I made an appointment with a therapy clinic and they are going to intake me
tomorrow.  The guy that I talked to was so nice and understanding.  I feel
so grateful.  I laid it out on the line what kind of treatment I am about to
endeavor with no details about with who, where.  He said no problem.  I told
him that I have had all kinds of spiritual experiences and have communicated
with spirit beings.  He said no problem.

I’m taking one more day off work to feel better.  I’ve decided I’m ready to
not drink anymore.

I also called our employee assistance program and they are supporting as
well as I detox and get ready to go to treatment.  I’m not giving them any
information about what kind of treatment I will be doing.

I do have some more good news.  I went to an Orin and Daben meditation
seminar in Ashland, Oregon in August.  I got  the tapes of the recording the
seminar in the mail yesterday.

A lot of good things are happening.  I am going to get through this.  I’m
hoping that after I detox some of my spirit friends come back.  I miss them.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Unreal
Date: October 27, 2005 at 5:56:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am trying to refocus.  I went to court yesterday and I am getting my license back.  The judge was very nice.

When I got home, our phone/dsl was dead.  Everyone that uses SBC, Stanford University, everywhere around here has no phone or internet.  I found an unprotected network that I am now wirelessly connected to, must be some neighbor.  I was very ill this morning and picked up the cell phone to find a doctor and the service was dead.  Last night, my boyfriend talked to my AA sponsor and told her to butt out.  Then he made me lay down and drink alcohol to shut me up because he did not want to bring me to the hospital.

He was much nicer this AM.  I’ve realized that he does not truly love me because he hates himself.  That made me kind of scared.  He took care of the cell phone bill and I have cell again, his credit card expired and got a new one and did not notify the cell phone company.  He took care of it.  I called in sick and I am going to see doctor to have care until I leave for my treatment.

I’m not whining.  I’m just laying out what I’ve been through in the past day so I can figure out where to go from here.   He took the day off to play golf.  I’m now afraid of him.  I have to take care of myself until I leave.  I have to walk on eggshells, I have to be careful.  He’s another perpetrator and he controls everything.  If I stay here, he sits, drinks and watches TV or read.  Every day.  Or, he goes to play golf once a week.  But, he won’t do anything healthy with me.  So, this is what I want:

I want to feel safe
I want to get better
I want to go to work every day
I want to spend more time out in nature
I want a car again
I want to stay sober
I want healthy relationships
I want a doctor

OK.  I’m laughing now.  Celine Dione singing AC/DC.  Oh my lord.  I’m really scared.  OK, I’m finding a doctor now.  I’ll check back.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
Date: October 27, 2005 at 5:53:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9808/05/anti.addiction.drug/
Epilepsy drug may block cocaine addiction
cocaine
As of now, the only treatment for cocaine addicts is
counseling
August 5, 1998
Web posted at: 10:17 a.m. EDT (1417 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) — An epilepsy drug is showing promise
as a possible treatment for cocaine addiction,
researchers say.

A decade-long study of the experimental epilepsy drug
Vigabatrin has shown it to be a powerful tool for
fighting cocaine addition in both baboons and rats.
Now researchers are hopeful the drug will prove useful
in fighting addictions in humans as well.

“People addicted to cocaine have a very high relapse
rate, and we haven’t (had) anything by way of
medication to help them,” explained Dr. Rodney Burback
of Suburban Hospital in Rockville, Maryland.

Vigabatrin works at combating addiction by preventing
the “high” and other effects of cocaine in much the
same way it prevents an epileptic seizure — it alters
the way brain cells communicate with each other.

As part of their study, researchers gave cocaine to
rats until they became addicted and continuously
pushed a bar in their cages to get more and more
cocaine. Once Vigabatrin was administered, researchers
say the rats stopped self-administering the cocaine.

Unlike other pharmaceutical treatments for drug
addiction, Vigabatrin itself is not addictive.

“It’s not a drug that produces withdrawal. It’s not a
drug that produces tolerance. In other words, we don’t
need to give more of it over time to get the same
effect,” explained Dr. Stephen Dewey a neuroanatomist
at Brookhaven National Laboratory, who led the
research team.
rat
Vigabatrin was successful in helping lab rats get over
cocaine addiction

Vigabatrin works by increasing levels of a
neurotransmitter in the brain called GABA. High GABA
levels lead to low levels of another neurotransmitter
called dopamine, the brain’s “feel good” chemical that
is at the heart of drug addiction. By lowering
dopamine levels in the brain, cravings for cocaine can
be stopped.

Researchers studied the brain scans of baboons before
and after they had taken cocaine. The primates that
had been given a dose of Vigabatrin before their
cocaine dose showed normal levels of dopamine in the
brain, compared with those that had not been given the
epilepsy drug.

Researchers also gave rats cocaine repeatedly over
several days and monitored their tendency to go to a
place where they had obtained cocaine before. With
Vigabatrin, the rodents did not stay in the place
associated with cocaine but moved around their cage.

Dewey said the finding was important for people who
are addicted to cocaine and other drugs because their
cravings are often sparked by factors such as seeing
similar-looking substances or a person with whom they
might have shared drugs.

“Because cocaine addiction is part biochemistry and
part behavior, these results confirm that it is
possible to attack it on both fronts,” said Charles
Ashby, a St. John’s University researcher who worked
on the behavioral part of the study.

This doesn’t mean, however, that Vigabatrin will have
the same affect on people. Many anti-addiction drugs
that have succeeded in animals have failed in human
trials. There may also be side effect. Vigabatrin has
caused a small number of people to have vision
problems.

In the fall, researchers at Brookhaven National
Laboratory and New York University plan to start a
90-day clinical trial to test the drug’s effectiveness
on volunteer human cocaine addicts.

Vigabatrin is already being used in Europe and Canada
to treat epilepsy, but it is not yet available in the
United States.

Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen and Reuters
contributed to

— Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com> wrote:

Gamma-Aminobutyric acid mimetic drugs differentially
inhibit the dopaminergic response to cocaine
by
Gerasimov MR, Schiffer WK, Brodie JD,
Lennon IC, Taylor SJ, Dewey SL
Chemistry Department,
Brookhaven National Laboratory,
Upton, NY, USA
Eur J Pharmacol 2000 Apr 28; 395(2):129-135

ABSTRACT

Dopaminergic activity in the mesocorticolimbic
system is associated with reinforcing properties of
psychostimulant drugs. We previously demonstrated
that
increased gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA)-ergic
activity produced by gamma-vinyl GABA
[D,L-4-amino-hex-5-enoic acid (Vigabatrin(R))], an
irreversible inhibitor of GABA-transaminase,
attenuated cocaine, nicotine, heroin, alcohol, and
methamphetamine-induced increases in extracellular
nucleus accumbens dopamine as well as behaviors
associated with these biochemical changes. In the
present study, using in vivo microdialysis
techniques,
we compared three different strategies to increase
GABAergic activity in order to modulate
cocaine-induced increase in extracellular dopamine.
Our data demonstrate that the anticonvulsant

1-(2-(((diphenylmethylene)amino)oxy)ethyl)-1,2,5,6-tetrahydro-3-pyridinecarboxylic
acid hydrochloride (NNC-711), a GABA uptake
inhibitor,
dose and time dependently diminished increases in
extracellular dopamine following acute cocaine
challenge. Furthermore, we demonstrated that
cyclized
analogue of vigabatrin, a competitive reversible
GABA-transaminase inhibitor, is a more potent
inhibitor of cocaine-induced dopamine increase than
vigabatrin. Our data suggest that in addition to
irreversible inhibition of GABA transaminase,
inhibition of GABA uptake represent another
potentially effective, indirect strategy for the
treatment of cocaine abuse.

Best regards,
Carol

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Cures in Bwiti Tradition in Europe
Date: October 27, 2005 at 5:18:50 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow!  congrats!   I dream of having another baby maybe in another lifetime.

brenda

On 10/26/05 3:40 PM, “Sean Hamman” <paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hiya, apologies for my delay in replying. My partner gave birth to a 8.2 pound
baby boy this weekend in a home birth. Things have been kind of unsettled.

The nganga we are working with is N-Dingo, I could’nt give you the name of
which particular tribe at this moment, I’ll find out for you.

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
Hi Sean,

Can you mention the name of the shaman? Which Pygmy tribe?

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:11:12 -0700 Sean Hamman

wrote:
I am working with a homeopathic doctor and a shaman from Gabon.

Up until recently and for the past three years the Works have been

conducted every fortnight in France. Next month in November we
will be doing our first in the UK, with our pygmy teacher flying
out from Gabon to conduct the Cure.

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From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] ears
Date: October 27, 2005 at 4:42:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>
> In a message dated 10/26/05 9:27:47 PM, CallieMimosa@aol.com writes:
I was 
>> told that I would have no withdrawal symptoms.
may I ask who said that?

>>Now I am hearing

>> if you are on Methadone or other extended release medication you 
>> probably will have (some)withdrawals and follow ups are necessary.

I know I have to do a lot of 
>> work, that
Ibogaine is not a cure

is a 
sacrament, xo
kiersten

Failure is part of success.   Fact.  Not advice.

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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] gamma-Aminobutyric acid
Date: October 27, 2005 at 4:01:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Gamma-Aminobutyric acid mimetic drugs differentially
inhibit the dopaminergic response to cocaine
by
Gerasimov MR, Schiffer WK, Brodie JD,
Lennon IC, Taylor SJ, Dewey SL
Chemistry Department,
Brookhaven National Laboratory,
Upton, NY, USA
Eur J Pharmacol 2000 Apr 28; 395(2):129-135

ABSTRACT

Dopaminergic activity in the mesocorticolimbic
system is associated with reinforcing properties of
psychostimulant drugs. We previously demonstrated that
increased gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA)-ergic
activity produced by gamma-vinyl GABA
[D,L-4-amino-hex-5-enoic acid (Vigabatrin(R))], an
irreversible inhibitor of GABA-transaminase,
attenuated cocaine, nicotine, heroin, alcohol, and
methamphetamine-induced increases in extracellular
nucleus accumbens dopamine as well as behaviors
associated with these biochemical changes. In the
present study, using in vivo microdialysis techniques,
we compared three different strategies to increase
GABAergic activity in order to modulate
cocaine-induced increase in extracellular dopamine.
Our data demonstrate that the anticonvulsant
1-(2-(((diphenylmethylene)amino)oxy)ethyl)-1,2,5,6-tetrahydro-3-pyridinecarboxylic
acid hydrochloride (NNC-711), a GABA uptake inhibitor,
dose and time dependently diminished increases in
extracellular dopamine following acute cocaine
challenge. Furthermore, we demonstrated that cyclized
analogue of vigabatrin, a competitive reversible
GABA-transaminase inhibitor, is a more potent
inhibitor of cocaine-induced dopamine increase than
vigabatrin. Our data suggest that in addition to
irreversible inhibition of GABA transaminase,
inhibition of GABA uptake represent another
potentially effective, indirect strategy for the
treatment of cocaine abuse.

Best regards,
Carol

_______________________________
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From: Carol Ann <saffireskyes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Vigabatrin – Cocaine /Crack -Not available in US either.
Date: October 27, 2005 at 3:55:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://cocaine.org/vigabatrin/index.html

Date: 23 September 03

Epilepsy drug helps beat cocaine
addiction

lines of cocaine

An anti-epilepsy drug has shown
promising results for treating cocaine addiction in a
preliminary US trial.

Gamma-vinyl-GABA (GVG), also known
as vigabatrin, works in part by blocking the craving
for cocaine. When combined with counselling, 40 per
cent of addicts successfully gave up their habit for
the duration of the sixty-day study.

“This is unheard of in addiction
treatment,” says Stephen Dewey, at the Brookhaven
National Laboratory, and one of the study team. “There
are no medicines that are effective at blocking
cocaine craving in addicts.”

Jonathan Brodie, another team
member, told New Scientist: “We’ve given an effective
tool to those people who are at the sharp end. It will
give them a period of normal behaviour where they are
immune to the normal environmental cues that trigger
craving. This gives them the opportunity to begin
re-building their lives.”

But doctors working with cocaine
addicts were sceptical. “Cocaine is a recreational
drug. The vast majority of people who take cocaine or
crack want to continue doing so,” says Allan Parry,
who runs a drug counselling service in Liverpool, UK.
“So in that sense this work is only likely to be
relevant to a tiny minority of people. People often
give up cocaine because their lifestyle changes or
they just grow up.”

Pleasure and reward
The trial involved 20 hard-core
addicts who had used cocaine heavily for up to 15
years. All said they wanted to give up the drug.

During the first week of the
study, the patients received escalating doses of GVG.
However, eight patients dropped out within the first
ten days of the 28-day treatment period, because they
wanted to continue taking cocaine.

Among the 12 remaining patients,
eight completed the trial and their dose of GVG was
gradually lowered. These eight remained cocaine-free
four weeks after their GVG treatment ended. Crucially,
the people who stopped using the street drug reported
that their craving did not return once they ceased
taking GVG.

The researchers are unsure how GVG
managed to reduce the cravings for cocaine. In people
with epilepsy, GVG appears to increases the amount of
GABA – a brain chemical, or neurotransmitter, involved
in nerve cell communication. GABA blocks dopamine,
another neurotransmitter, which regulates the brain’s
pleasure and reward centres.

But Parry also questions the
design of the study. “For a start, what happened to
the patients after the sixty days of monitoring was
over?” he asks.

Journal reference: Synapse (DOI:
10.1002/syn.10278)

Danny Penman

Best regards,
Carol

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From: Henk van Vliet <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 27, 2005 at 3:35:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Peel the cacti, keep only green skin.
Dry the peel, once dry, you can also take of the hard, indigestible outer skin.
It is quit a job, but worthwhile.
This way you can reduce a piece of cacti of about a foot (30-40cm) to a reasonable size, about three tablespoons, which can already be
a very strong dose.
I took a dose like that in Peru, on my own, expecting a mild journey,
but got a heavy ride instead, as strong as it could be, scared the hell out of me.
As strong  as ibogaine, somewhere I kept the story, might change you plan for the weekend.
I understood the potentie can vary quit a bit from cacti to cacti.

Henk

.

kiersten johnson wrote:

Does anyone (Henk, especially, maybe?)  have a favorite way to prepare  San Pedro cacti? I have been growing some since 1993 and have never  eaten them. I think I’m going to this weekend.
Cheers,
Kiersten

On Oct 27, 2005, at 7:16 AM, Luke Christoffersen wrote:

Cool.

I though P. Harmala was similar to ibogaine?

On 10/25/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a mix  of

all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a  individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all after  the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,

I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches long  and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc. I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all  contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves, where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,

Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least two

dosages

of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you will  need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a  massage

per

week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy

cannabis,mushroom

tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being a  hippy

or

not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a

therapist

or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not where you

live

and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even

better

if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with

the

crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling  entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help,  if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t

want

to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels

sing

and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off

half-baked

san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any

more

reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:

I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff

method

promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does

not

include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain

very

pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for

psychological

work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I

am

saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills

and

insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is

a

detox protocol.

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From: kiersten johnson <kiers10@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 27, 2005 at 2:04:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does anyone (Henk, especially, maybe?)  have a favorite way to prepare San Pedro cacti? I have been growing some since 1993 and have never eaten them. I think I’m going to this weekend.
Cheers,
Kiersten

On Oct 27, 2005, at 7:16 AM, Luke Christoffersen wrote:

Cool.

I though P. Harmala was similar to ibogaine?

On 10/25/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc. I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves, where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least two
dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a massage
per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being a hippy
or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not where you
live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even
better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with
the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t
want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does
not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I
am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills
and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is
a
detox protocol.

__________________________________
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http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 27, 2005 at 10:16:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cool.

I though P. Harmala was similar to ibogaine?

On 10/25/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc. I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves, where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least two
dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a massage
per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being a hippy
or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not where you
live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even
better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with
the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t
want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does
not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I
am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills
and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is
a
detox protocol.

__________________________________
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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 27, 2005 at 10:07:22 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I never knew there was DMT in mushrooms.  Is it certain types?

There’s peyote and san pedro cactus for sale in the shop in Dublin.

On 10/26/05, slowone@hush.ai <slowone@hush.ai> wrote:
Mushrooms can also be smoked, with a very limited effect, and it
works with old old old ones that don’t work for eating. It’s
limited in that smoking more doesn’t make much difference.

Also mushrooms contain DMT, and some P. harmala or ayahuasca (vine
only) allows it to be absorbed, making for a more powerful
experience. (Haven’t tried that yet.)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:40 -0700 sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a
mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a
individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all
after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There

were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches
long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was
tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc.

I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk
which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type
of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all
contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves,
where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of

it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of
mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least
two
dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you
will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a

massage
per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being

a hippy
or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not
where you
live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great.
Even
better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and
healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help
you with
the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling

entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and

help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me,
I don’t
want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I
feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the
angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick
after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step
meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the
Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over
it does
not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus

certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does.

What I
am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other

skills
and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up.
Namely it is
a
detox protocol.

__________________________________
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http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 27, 2005 at 9:25:12 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Would appreciate it if you would share the information on the herbal product.

Howard

In a message dated 10/27/05 12:59:38 AM, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:

If you’d like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers.  Just don’t have time to sit here and do it this second.  I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session.  Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you don’t need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because it’s so empty.  And soooo tiny!  Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal!  Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 27, 2005 at 7:01:29 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks RON,

Mushrooms picking time around here Koko,

sara

I love you Sara.  Koko loves you
—– Original Message —–
From: <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

Dear Ron,

….one day… spank… spank…spank!!!

what list? what expertise? who care?
I rather become a monkey and join Koko in this wilderniss.

Sara

Sara:
a list for the list is what we need from you.  I would donate for your
expertise in this field.  ron
—– Original Message —–
From: <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

P. Harmala can also be smoked. which a nice high, like a mild cocaine
high.

Sara

Mushrooms can also be smoked, with a very limited effect, and it
works with old old old ones that don’t work for eating. It’s
limited in that smoking more doesn’t make much difference.

Also mushrooms contain DMT, and some P. harmala or ayahuasca (vine
only) allows it to be absorbed, making for a more powerful
experience. (Haven’t tried that yet.)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:40 -0700 sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a
mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a
individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all
after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There

were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches
long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was
tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc.

I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk
which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type
of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all
contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves,
where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of

it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of
mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least
two
dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you
will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a

massage
per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being

a hippy
or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not
where you
live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great.
Even
better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and
healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help
you with
the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling

entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and

help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me,
I don’t
want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I
feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the
angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick
after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step
meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the
Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over
it does
not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus

certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does.

What I
am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other

skills
and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up.
Namely it is
a
detox protocol.

__________________________________
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http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Cures in Bwiti Tradition in Europe
Date: October 27, 2005 at 6:14:19 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

best wishes to the new born and new parents.

Sara

Thanks Callie, it kind of feels like that. He (Sol) has touched our hearts
and stolen our sleep.

Nice one, Sean

CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/26/2005 5:40:57 PM Central Daylight Time,
paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Hiya, apologies for my delay in replying. My partner gave birth to a 8.2
pound baby boy this weekend in a home birth. Things have been kind of
unsettled.

Oh my! Congratulations! Things won’t be settled around your house for many
years to come now!
Happy days!
Callie

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From: Sean Hamman <paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Cures in Bwiti Tradition in Europe
Date: October 27, 2005 at 6:11:57 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Callie, it kind of feels like that. He (Sol) has touched our hearts and stolen our sleep.

Nice one, Sean

CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/26/2005 5:40:57 PM Central Daylight Time, paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Hiya, apologies for my delay in replying. My partner gave birth to a 8.2 pound baby boy this weekend in a home birth. Things have been kind of unsettled.

Oh my! Congratulations! Things won’t be settled around your house for many years to come now!
Happy days!
Callie

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From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanksx2 for both laughs Callie
Date: October 27, 2005 at 5:07:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL I missed that one. Thanks Jasen.

Jasen Chamoun <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Callie,

What are you talking about,..Bea is a woman not a bloke…….

Hey,..that joke you sent cracked me up,..thanks

with love, Jasen

Subject: [Ibogaine] Bea.

Can you enlarge your front to size 12 or 14? I can hardly see yours it is so small!
Tanks in advance!
Callie

Amazing Grace: A true story based on the use of eboga / ibogaine over a six year period. Includes section on the Eboga Healing Process: www.my-eboga.com/amazinggrace.html.
My Eboga: A website dedicated to practical guidance and spiritual interpretation of the eboga experience. Includes a mailing list for those already initiated: www.my-eboga.com/network.html.

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unsubbing for a bit….
Date: October 27, 2005 at 3:53:42 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey what,…a week,..a whole week, what am I gonna do for a whole week
without your posts. I love you Kirsty,..you add a spark of brightness to my life.

with love, Jasen

Subject: [Ibogaine] unsubbing for a bit….

Ok, wish me luck. Gonnna try this unsub for a while.
Not sure how long I shall be gone.  If gone longer
than a week send the calvary. Look after yourselves!
I’ll miss ya’s!!  sniff sniff bottom lip wobble.

Parting is such sweet sorrow!!

Hasta la pasta

Kirk :o)

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Brother
Date: October 27, 2005 at 3:49:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love you Preston………you are doing much more than you realise.

Up up and away
—– Original Message —– From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Front door

That totally sucks.
I’ve been going through some stress myself, and I tell you I feel your pain, although I’m not quite at the point of “it’s ending,” it’s more like “god this place is fucking small for two utterly broke people and nine cats.” Plus, I think there’s some “I’m getting older and I’m still not sure what I’m doing with my life” in the both of us, that feeling of “when the hell am I going to see some of that success myself?”
Plus, just in myself, I’m way sick and tired of pain and addiction, and don’t know what to do. I’ve heard all the advice people can possibly give, I can’t turn to anyone else but me now, and I’ve already done that too- so I’m left with this totally desperate feeling of “depression” and “how long can I really take this shit” and “how long can I maintain” and “I could not take another bout of ‘ending'” if it ever came to that. And I have a new book coming out in a week or less- how can I be feeling so down?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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From: Henk <knehnav@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: November 26, 2005 at 3:37:44 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If the vomiting really bothers you, you can consider taking it as an enema.
I tried it several times that way and for sure there will be no vomiting.
Which made me doubt the idea that the vomiting is a way of cleansing of the body,
in my opinion it is just a reaction of the body to get this horribly bitter stuff out of the body.
It is the same with ayahuasca, San Pedro, peyote, our bodies just are not fond of stuff like that.

Henk

CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
I am sitting here thinking of the reasons why I was scared to Ibogaine dose last year.
I am really afraid of the tripping. I have tripped so many times in the past but I never have felt I was losing it. Also, the actual dose was very small, such as tablet or piece of small paper. I can’t imagine having to take a large amount of something really nasty, nasty enough to cause extreme vomiting, which I am also scared of, more about that in a minute.
Can you veterans please talk about ingesting or taking Ibogaine. How did you do your dose? Can you take capsules? I even heard of some folk putting it in sausage skins!! UGH!UGH!UGH!!!
The vomiting…..I hate to vomit! That right there in itself is probably my biggest deterrent. Does everyone vomit violently? Could a dose or two of Phenergan help?
When I first started list about year or year and a half ago, I was told that I would have no withdrawal symptoms. Now I am hearing something entirely different. I have read recently here on list that if you are on Methadone or other extended release medication you probably will have withdrawals and that baby dose follow ups of Ibogaine are necessary.
If this is true does that mean I will have to be supervised for up to 2 weeks?
I also have fear of failure. Ibogaine is probably the last hope I will have of living drug free. When rapid detox first came out I was so hopeful. Then the stories of failure, many, many failures started pouring in. My bubble was busted.
I am feeling that way about Ibogaine. I know I have to do a lot of work, that Ibogaine is not a miracle cure but I seriously am afraid it many take a miracle yo get me cleaned up. If I do this and fail I will have no hope….again. I can continue to live the way I am living now but it would be awesome to be drug free!
Shaking in my boots,
Callie


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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Know thyself
Date: October 27, 2005 at 3:35:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/27/2005 1:12:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

there is NO SELF and there is No SELf knowledge.
things like  that change all the time,as you discover the world you
discover
“yourself”  in relationship to the world. “self knowledge” is basically to
make   “you think you don’t know anything without buying my book which
will
tell  you
what you already know but didn’t think about”.

in a county where  there suppose to be a free speach, keep it that way,
even when the sound of  what is been said is not to you taste.

sara

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Sara, it is probably the language barrier but I do not understand at all
what you are saying.
would you clarify it for me….
What do you mean by no self? How is there no self knowledge? Yes, we
change
everyday. These changes are brought on by many different factors. We have
to
know ourselves before we can learn anything.
And the free country statement. What is that in relation to?
Sorry, but you are missing the entire meaning of my post.

I think I am going to just sit back and read the list for awhile and just
interact on a one to one if I have anything to say. Maybe if I just
observe
without contributing I will better understand what is going on.
Peace ti all
Callie

Callie
what I meant is, if there is a self and it is changing by many factors,
how would you know yourself in a new situation?

the ability to learn something is just part of being human, it has nothing
to do with “self knowledge”.
we learn to believe that there
is a self and a self knowledge but we can’t prove it.
some kids are very wise, they can feel that one wooden blok will fit to
stand on top of another wooden blok without anyone telling them. how can
they know when they are one and half years old?where did they get that
knowledge?

I think that if you can write what you like and that’s your freedom, then
don’t give that up because of me. maybe my english is not that good but
i’m trying to express my idea’s and having a problem with english is not a
good reason for me not try.

Sara

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks for both laughs Callie
Date: October 27, 2005 at 3:34:06 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie,

What are you talking about,..Bea is a woman not a bloke…….

Hey,..that joke you sent cracked me up,..thanks

with love, Jasen

Subject: [Ibogaine] Bea.

Can you enlarge your front to size 12 or 14? I can hardly see yours it is so small!
Tanks in advance!
Callie

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 27, 2005 at 3:05:06 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

Sara treated me succesfully 11 months ago of methadone,she gave me what
I needed when I needed it.

In my experience you can put your trust in Sara,..if you talk straight up with her
and have faith in her and the treatment,..in my humble opinion you have a very
high chance of succeeding.

love, Jasen

—– Original Message —– From: <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

>Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all after the
iboga.

Sara

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Know thyself
Date: October 27, 2005 at 2:27:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/27/2005 1:12:10 AM Central Daylight Time, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:

there is NO SELF and there is No SELf knowledge.
things like that change all the time,as you discover the world you discover
“yourself” in relationship to the world. “self knowledge” is basically to
make  “you think you don’t know anything without buying my book which will
tell you
what you already know but didn’t think about”.

in a county where there suppose to be a free speach, keep it that way,
even when the sound of what is been said is not to you taste.

sara

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Sara, it is probably the language barrier but I do not understand at all what you are saying.
would you clarify it for me….
What do you mean by no self? How is there no self knowledge? Yes, we change everyday. These changes are brought on by many different factors. We have to know ourselves before we can learn anything.
And the free country statement. What is that in relation to?
Sorry, but you are missing the entire meaning of my post.

I think I am going to just sit back and read the list for awhile and just interact on a one to one if I have anything to say. Maybe if I just observe without contributing I will better understand what is going on.
Peace ti all
Callie

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Know thyself
Date: October 27, 2005 at 2:11:50 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

there is NO SELF and there is No SELf knowledge.
things like that change all the time,as you discover the world you discover
“yourself” in relationship to the world. “self knowledge” is basically to
make  “you think you don’t know anything without buying my book which will
tell you
what you already know but didn’t think about”.

in a county where there suppose to be a free speach, keep it that way,
even when the sound of what is been said is not to you taste.

sara

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unsubbing for a bit….
Date: October 27, 2005 at 1:01:40 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No, but I don’t think we want THAT!  We want you here, just want the errors
to stop!

On 10/26/05 3:19 AM, “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Ok, wish me luck. Gonnna try this unsub for a while.
Not sure how long I shall be gone.  If gone longer
than a week send the calvary. Look after yourselves!
I’ll miss ya’s!!  sniff sniff bottom lip wobble.

Parting is such sweet sorrow!!

Hasta la pasta

Kirk :o)

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From: kiersten johnson <kiers10@mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 27, 2005 at 1:01:14 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Do you ibo veterans find that the puking is actually part of the therapy in a weird way? Not having taken the iboga trip yet, but comparing an insight I had eating mushrooms–when I did not fast and purify my bod and my thoughts before the trip, I would get very sick. The nausea seemed to be in direct relation to the amount of urban toxicity I had allow to remain in my body. Also the vomiting was a way of saying, to myself, OK woman, this is a real trip, this is a sacrament, a real journey, not some nice pleasant nothing little rest-stop somewhere on the side of the road.
what do you think?
xo
kiersten
On Oct 26, 2005, at 7:49 PM, HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:

Failure is part of success.  Phenergan is in the thorazine family. Thorazine like drugs may interfere with ibogaine.    In Panama doctors used reglan and on st. kitts they used benadryl to treat nausea.

Facts.  Not advice.

Howard

In a message dated 10/26/05 9:27:47 PM, CallieMimosa@aol.com writes:

I am sitting here thinking of the reasons why I was scared to Ibogaine dose last year.
I am really afraid of the tripping. I have tripped so many times in the past but I never have felt I was losing it. Also, the actual dose was very small, such as tablet or piece of small paper. I can’t imagine having to take a large amount of something really nasty, nasty enough to cause extreme vomiting, which I am also scared of, more about that in a minute.
Can you veterans please talk about ingesting or taking Ibogaine. How did you do your dose? Can you take capsules? I even heard of some folk putting it in sausage skins!! UGH!UGH!UGH!!!
The vomiting…..I hate to vomit! That right there in itself is probably my biggest deterrent. Does everyone vomit violently? Could a dose or two of Phenergan help?
When I first started list about year or year and a half ago, I was told that I would have no withdrawal symptoms. Now I am hearing something entirely different. I have read recently here on list that if you are on Methadone or other extended release medication you probably will have withdrawals and that baby dose follow ups of Ibogaine are necessary.
If this is true does that mean I will have to be supervised for up to 2 weeks?
I also have fear of failure. Ibogaine is probably the last hope I will have of living drug free. When rapid detox first came out I was so hopeful. Then the stories of failure, many, many failures started pouring in. My bubble was busted.
I am feeling that way about Ibogaine. I know I have to do a lot of work, that Ibogaine is not a miracle cure but I seriously am afraid it many take a miracle yo get me cleaned up. If I do this and fail I will have no hope….again. I can continue to live the way I am living now but it would be awesome to be drug free!
Shaking in my boots,
Callie

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 27, 2005 at 12:59:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie,

If you’d like to contact me off list, I can give you some really helpful pointers.  Just don’t have time to sit here and do it this second.  I also found a great herbal pill that kept me from vomiting at all during my last session.  Great thing about them was that they are sublingual, so you don’t need to swallow them and fear that they will upset your stomach too because it’s so empty.  And soooo tiny!  Anyway, my experiences (4 in all) are at your disposal!  Along with anyone else, if they need or want it.

Take care…
Beatrice

On 10/26/05 6:27 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

I am sitting here thinking of the reasons why I was scared to Ibogaine dose last year.
I am really afraid of the tripping. I have tripped so many times in the past but I never have felt I was losing it. Also, the actual dose was very small, such as tablet or piece of small paper. I can’t imagine having to take a large amount of something really nasty, nasty enough to cause extreme vomiting, which I am also scared of, more about that in a minute.
Can you veterans please talk about ingesting or taking Ibogaine. How did you do your dose? Can you take capsules? I even heard of some folk putting it in sausage skins!! UGH!UGH!UGH!!!
The vomiting…..I hate to vomit! That right there in itself is probably my biggest deterrent. Does everyone vomit violently? Could a dose or two of Phenergan help?
When I first started list about year or year and a half ago, I was told that I would have no withdrawal symptoms. Now I am hearing something entirely different. I have read recently here on list that if you are on Methadone or other extended release medication you probably will have withdrawals and that baby dose follow ups of Ibogaine are necessary.
If this is true does that mean I will have to be supervised for up to 2 weeks?
I also have fear of failure. Ibogaine is probably the last hope I will have of living drug free. When rapid detox first came out I was so hopeful. Then the stories of failure, many, many failures started pouring in. My bubble was busted.
I am feeling that way about Ibogaine. I know I have to do a lot of work, that Ibogaine is not a miracle cure but I seriously am afraid it many take a miracle yo get me cleaned up. If I do this and fail I will have no hope….again. I can continue to live the way I am living now but it would be awesome to be drug free!
Shaking in my boots,
Callie

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: October 26, 2005 at 4:44:33 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Worth a friggin’ shot, that’s MHO!  LOL  Is this font/size any better?

On 10/25/05 9:04 PM, “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

I wonder what would happen if I tried unsubbing every single email address I ever had on Mindvox, leaving it for a couple of days then signing up again?
What do ya think?

From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 5:01 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure

Lol!
I’m sorry…..
I asked… I got.
There’s nobody there either.. for the past… ever since this started happening!  Never ever got a reply, Patrick wrote.. never got a reply…..rude buggers aye?
Thank you heaps….like a car breaking down, always check the most obvious.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 4:57 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure


contact the postmaster@concept.net.nz.

It says to do that if you disagree with message.



Callie

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Bea.
Date: October 26, 2005 at 4:42:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Were you talking to me?  It was always a 14, but if you’d like I will indeed make it larger.  Thanks!

On 10/25/05 8:47 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

Can you enlarge your font to size 12 or 14? I can hardly see yours it is so small!
Tanks in advance!
Callie

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 26, 2005 at 10:49:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Failure is part of success.  Phenergan is in the thorazine family. Thorazine like drugs may interfere with ibogaine.    In Panama doctors used reglan and on st. kitts they used benadryl to treat nausea.

Facts.  Not advice.

Howard

In a message dated 10/26/05 9:27:47 PM, CallieMimosa@aol.com writes:

I am sitting here thinking of the reasons why I was scared to Ibogaine dose last year.
I am really afraid of the tripping. I have tripped so many times in the past but I never have felt I was losing it. Also, the actual dose was very small, such as tablet or piece of small paper. I can’t imagine having to take a large amount of something really nasty, nasty enough to cause extreme vomiting, which I am also scared of, more about that in a minute.
Can you veterans please talk about ingesting or taking Ibogaine. How did you do your dose? Can you take capsules? I even heard of some folk putting it in sausage skins!! UGH!UGH!UGH!!!
The vomiting…..I hate to vomit! That right there in itself is probably my biggest deterrent. Does everyone vomit violently? Could a dose or two of Phenergan help?
When I first started list about year or year and a half ago, I was told that I would have no withdrawal symptoms. Now I am hearing something entirely different. I have read recently here on list that if you are on Methadone or other extended release medication you probably will have withdrawals and that baby dose follow ups of Ibogaine are necessary.
If this is true does that mean I will have to be supervised for up to 2 weeks?
I also have fear of failure. Ibogaine is probably the last hope I will have of living drug free. When rapid detox first came out I was so hopeful. Then the stories of failure, many, many failures started pouring in. My bubble was busted.
I am feeling that way about Ibogaine. I know I have to do a lot of work, that Ibogaine is not a miracle cure but I seriously am afraid it many take a miracle yo get me cleaned up. If I do this and fail I will have no hope….again. I can continue to live the way I am living now but it would be awesome to be drug free!
Shaking in my boots,
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fears about Ibogaine
Date: October 26, 2005 at 9:27:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am sitting here thinking of the reasons why I was scared to Ibogaine dose last year.
I am really afraid of the tripping. I have tripped so many times in the past but I never have felt I was losing it. Also, the actual dose was very small, such as tablet or piece of small paper. I can’t imagine having to take a large amount of something really nasty, nasty enough to cause extreme vomiting, which I am also scared of, more about that in a minute.
Can you veterans please talk about ingesting or taking Ibogaine. How did you do your dose? Can you take capsules? I even heard of some folk putting it in sausage skins!! UGH!UGH!UGH!!!
The vomiting…..I hate to vomit! That right there in itself is probably my biggest deterrent. Does everyone vomit violently? Could a dose or two of Phenergan help?
When I first started list about year or year and a half ago, I was told that I would have no withdrawal symptoms. Now I am hearing something entirely different. I have read recently here on list that if you are on Methadone or other extended release medication you probably will have withdrawals and that baby dose follow ups of Ibogaine are necessary.
If this is true does that mean I will have to be supervised for up to 2 weeks?
I also have fear of failure. Ibogaine is probably the last hope I will have of living drug free. When rapid detox first came out I was so hopeful. Then the stories of failure, many, many failures started pouring in. My bubble was busted.
I am feeling that way about Ibogaine. I know I have to do a lot of work, that Ibogaine is not a miracle cure but I seriously am afraid it many take a miracle yo get me cleaned up. If I do this and fail I will have no hope….again. I can continue to live the way I am living now but it would be awesome to be drug free!
Shaking in my boots,
Callie

From: Morning Wood <morning_wood263@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Light
Date: October 26, 2005 at 9:09:52 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I lit a candle here now.
my Hope
is that anyone feeling overwhelmed by darkness,
will find some Light.

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Cures in Bwiti Tradition in Europe
Date: October 26, 2005 at 7:30:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/26/2005 5:40:57 PM Central Daylight Time, paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk writes:
Hiya, apologies for my delay in replying. My partner gave birth to a 8.2 pound baby boy this weekend in a home birth. Things have been kind of unsettled.

Oh my! Congratulations! Things won’t be settled around your house for many years to come now!
Happy days!
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Know thyself
Date: October 26, 2005 at 7:27:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can’t hold my tongue!!! (as usual!) Ms_Iboga wrote…..

“I have finally come to
the conclusion that not only are you very negative and
self-centered, you are also quite clueless when it
comes to interacting with others.”

hmmmmmm, sounds like an addict/alcoholic to me

“I can’t even count the number of times people have
offered you help, and/or a kind word, on this list.
Did you ever follow through with any of it?  Didn’t
Schmoolyboy set you up with a doctor or something-
like a YEAR AGO?”

How do you know if Ron followed up or not? I would think this is highly privileged information and really not the business of anyone except for those directly involved.
Maybe Ron was scared. I, too, had a chance for Rx about a year ago and chickened out. Hell, I felt so bad about it I unsubbed from the list! That move only hurt me. At least Ron stayed on the list!

“Rather than attempting to free yourself from the
shackles of addiction, you seem rather complicit in
wallowing in misery and self-pity.  Hey, if you try
and then fail, AT LEAST YOU TRIED.  Have you been
trying Ron, or just shooting yourself in the foot with
your negativity?”

My reply here is in twelve step language but I will clarify it too. Why are you taking Ron’s inventory? I think it is his responsibility to identify his character defects. It is not up to us to point out character flaws.
I have found though that the defects I point out in others is usually the ones I have in myself.
I suggest Ms_Iboga, that you do some self searching. I bet you too have a tendency to wallow in self pity as you put it.

So, I will close with your last words, (which I love!)

Know thyself.
Callie

 

From: Sean Hamman <paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Cures in Bwiti Tradition in Europe
Date: October 26, 2005 at 6:40:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hiya, apologies for my delay in replying. My partner gave birth to a 8.2 pound baby boy this weekend in a home birth. Things have been kind of unsettled.

The nganga we are working with is N-Dingo, I could’nt give you the name of which particular tribe at this moment, I’ll find out for you.

slowone@hush.ai wrote:
Hi Sean,

Can you mention the name of the shaman? Which Pygmy tribe?

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:11:12 -0700 Sean Hamman
wrote:
>I am working with a homeopathic doctor and a shaman from Gabon.
>…
>Up until recently and for the past three years the Works have been

>conducted every fortnight in France. Next month in November we
>will be doing our first in the UK, with our pygmy teacher flying
>out from Gabon to conduct the Cure.

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Enough with the pity parties, already
Date: October 26, 2005 at 3:36:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Julie
I think the rambling is part of the therapy for some and might be beneficial in the long run
hey who are we to say whats wrong/right
if it helps somebody to go completly off topic with whatever is on their mind i say go way the fuk out
plus we have the choice to ignore those emails we find boring and superficial or whatever
i think attacking people for speaking their minds serves no purpose—it only makes the party feel more depresed etc etc etc
wish u wold post more often
with love
matt

 

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Enough with the pity parties, already
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:08:29 -0500
detoxed from benzos, don’t know rachel, apologized to her for overreacting..yes , we all hurt and have problems, can’t please everyone… i don’t recall ever defending my actions. quite frankly , i am embarrassed by some. i have too many character defects to list or is that self pity? yes, i’m a downer, dark , cynical and taken by those who aren’t, which i envy. grew up in odd house but that’s blame game self pity. truth be known, i pray and work thru introspection to change. very small baby steps for a guy like me nothing for someone like you. now, i know i cannot ask for help on this topic as folks are rightfully fed up. i expect the next step to be another list dissing me which i understand, or my name will be silently eliminated from the list as a permanent downer. learned a lot these last few months, appreciate everyone’s tolerance….this is where Dr. Tom says ” more of the same old stuff ron” as i told Don and Rachel, kick my ass anytime it needs it if you feel like wasting the time to do so. scratch me off if you’re that sick of me.. oh, my dad died months ago after hanging on for me to finish a death penalty case of a bm accused of executing his wfm ex wife and her 12 yoa child. trial lasted 2 weeks. everyday i would ask him in my self centered way, “pop, please don’t die today, i need you to get me thru these 2 weeks.” He had quit eating and drinking about the same time. 1 day after the trial,( I saved the guys life), I asked my father to die, explaining to him that he’d done the best he could with me, all things considered. He died in my arms immediately. I was blessed, being an only child , unmarried, no children for him to pass peacefully in his home with me holding him. I am sorry you lost your mom so early, it must’ve been difficult. Ms. Iboga, I wish you well and am sorry for the headaches I’ve caused all. my project remains how to stay straight , comfortably in this world and how to be a better Person…….MORE OF THE SAME….BOO T ME OFF IF YOU WANT, I HAVE NO WAY TO GAUGE YOUR TOLERANCE LEVEL. THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED. ALLEN GINSBERG, POET LAUREATE OF THE BEAT GENERATION WAS ONCE ASKED TO DEFINE HIP…HE REPLIED , SHORTLY BEFORE DYING, TOLERANT..HE WAS BEFORE HIPPIES. NO ANSWERS HERE, NO BRAINS HERE—- Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Enough with the pity parties, already

>Ron,
>
>I, like Rachel and many others, have been reading your
>posts for quite some time now. I have finally come to
>the conclusion that not only are you very negative and
>self-centered, you are also quite clueless when it
>comes to interacting with others.
>
>I can’t even count the number of times people have
>offered you help, and/or a kind word, on this list.
>Did you ever follow through with any of it? Didn’t
>Schmoolyboy set you up with a doctor or something-
>like a YEAR AGO?
>
>Your daily pity parties used to invoke sympathy from
>me; now, they irritate me to no end. Why, you may
>ask? Well, for one- You are gobbling up this list’s
>time/resources, which could better be spent helping
>people WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES, NOT JUST
>WHINE, COMPLAIN, and then get pissed when people ask
>you to stop.
>
>Rather than attempting to free yourself from the
>shackles of addiction, you seem rather complicit in
>wallowing in misery and self-pity. Hey, if you try
>and then fail, AT LEAST YOU TRIED. Have you been
>trying Ron, or just shooting yourself in the foot with
>your negativity?
>
>You are not the only person who is going through tough
>times. Your father is very ill, and I sympathize with
>that. But- to put it in perspective- my mom died 12
>years ago, and I’m not even 30 years old yet.
>EVERYBODY HURTS, Ron.
>
>Know thyself.
>
>
>
>__________________________________
>Start your day with Yahoo! – Make it your home page!
>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
>
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Enough with the pity parties, already
Date: October 26, 2005 at 3:08:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

detoxed from benzos, don’t know rachel, apologized to her for overreacting..yes , we all hurt and have problems, can’t please everyone… i don’t recall ever defending my actions.  quite frankly , i am embarrassed by some.  i have too many character defects to list or is that self pity? yes, i’m a downer, dark , cynical and taken by those who aren’t, which i envy.  grew up in odd house but that’s blame game self pity.  truth be known, i pray and work thru introspection to change.  very small baby steps for a guy like me  nothing for someone like you. now, i know i cannot ask for help on this topic as folks are rightfully fed up.  i expect the next step to be another list dissing me which i understand, or my name will be silently eliminated from the list as a permanent downer.  learned  a lot these last few months, appreciate everyone’s tolerance….this is where Dr. Tom says  ” more of the same old stuff ron”  as i told Don and Rachel, kick my ass anytime  it needs it if you feel like wasting the time to do so. scratch me off if  you’re that sick of me..  oh, my dad died months ago after hanging on for me to finish a death penalty case of a bm accused of executing his wfm ex wife and her 12 yoa child.  trial lasted 2 weeks. everyday i would ask him in my self centered way, “pop, please don’t die today, i need you to get me thru these 2 weeks.”  He had quit eating and drinking about the same time. 1 day after the trial,( I saved the guys life), I asked my father to die, explaining to him that he’d done the best he could with me, all things considered.  He died in my arms immediately.  I was blessed, being an only child , unmarried, no children for him to pass peacefully in his home with me holding him.  I am sorry you lost your mom so early, it must’ve been difficult.  Ms. Iboga, I wish you well and am sorry for the headaches I’ve caused all. my project remains how to stay straight , comfortably in this world and how to be a better Person…….MORE OF THE SAME….BOO T ME OFF IF YOU WANT, I HAVE NO WAY TO GAUGE YOUR TOLERANCE LEVEL.  THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE HELPED.  ALLEN GINSBERG, POET LAUREATE OF THE BEAT GENERATION WAS ONCE ASKED TO DEFINE HIP…HE REPLIED , SHORTLY BEFORE DYING,  TOLERANT..HE WAS BEFORE HIPPIES. NO ANSWERS HERE, NO BRAINS HERE—-  Original Message —– From: “Ms Iboga” <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Enough with the pity parties, already

Ron,

I, like Rachel and many others, have been reading your
posts for quite some time now.  I have finally come to
the conclusion that not only are you very negative and
self-centered, you are also quite clueless when it
comes to interacting with others.

I can’t even count the number of times people have
offered you help, and/or a kind word, on this list.
Did you ever follow through with any of it?  Didn’t
Schmoolyboy set you up with a doctor or something-
like a YEAR AGO?

Your daily pity parties used to invoke sympathy from
me; now, they irritate me to no end.  Why, you may
ask?  Well, for one- You are gobbling up this list’s
time/resources, which could better be spent helping
people WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES, NOT JUST
WHINE, COMPLAIN, and then get pissed when people ask
you to stop.

Rather than attempting to free yourself from the
shackles of addiction, you seem rather complicit in
wallowing in misery and self-pity.  Hey, if you try
and then fail, AT LEAST YOU TRIED.  Have you been
trying Ron, or just shooting yourself in the foot with
your negativity?

You are not the only person who is going through tough
times.  Your father is very ill, and I sympathize with
that.  But- to put it in perspective- my mom died 12
years ago, and I’m not even 30 years old yet.
EVERYBODY HURTS, Ron.

Know thyself.

__________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! – Make it your home page!
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 26, 2005 at 2:19:35 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love you Sara.  Koko loves you
—– Original Message —– From: <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

>Dear Ron,

….one day… spank… spank…spank!!!

what list? what expertise? who care?
I rather become a monkey and join Koko in this wilderniss.

Sara

Sara:
a list for the list is what we need from you.  I would donate for your
expertise in this field.  ron
—– Original Message —–
From: <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

>

P. Harmala can also be smoked. which a nice high, like a mild cocaine
high.

Sara

Mushrooms can also be smoked, with a very limited effect, and it
works with old old old ones that don’t work for eating. It’s
limited in that smoking more doesn’t make much difference.

Also mushrooms contain DMT, and some P. harmala or ayahuasca (vine
only) allows it to be absorbed, making for a more powerful
experience. (Haven’t tried that yet.)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:40 -0700 sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a
mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a
individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all
after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There

were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches
long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was
tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc.

I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk
which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type
of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all
contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves,
where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of

it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
>            Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of
mushrooms
> would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
> truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.
>
> Thanks
> Luke
>
> On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> >
>> Thanks  Vector,  😉
>>
>> Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
>> you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least
two
dosages
>> of
>> Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you
will need
>> atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a

massage
per
>> week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
>> and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
>> tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being

a hippy
or
>> not being one both is good.
>>
>> this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
>> or
>> to be brainwashed
>> by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not
where you
live
>> and so
>> my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.
>>
>> good luck on your search for detox.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great.
Even
better
>> > if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and
healing
>> > crystals.
>> >
>> > Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help
you with
the
>> > crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling

entities
>> > instead 😉
>> >
>> > .:vector:.
>> >
>> > — Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and

help, if
>> >> you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me,
I don’t
want
>> >> to hear it.
>> >>
>> >> Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I
feel
>> >> afterwards?
>> >> I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the
angels
sing
>> >> and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
>> >> san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick
after
>> >> ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step
meetings any
more
>> >> reasonable after ibogaine?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Jay
>> >>
>> >> On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the
Lotsoff
>> >> method
>> >> > promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over
it does
not
>> >> > include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus

certain
>> >> very
>> >> > pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
>> >> > work can be missed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does.

What I
am
>> >> > saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other

skills
and
>> >> > insights and abilities to instigate / set that up.
Namely it is
a
>> >> > detox protocol.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > __________________________________
>> > Yahoo! Mail – PC Magazine Editors’ Choice 2005
>> > http://mail.yahoo.com
>> >
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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:34:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ron,

….one day… spank… spank…spank!!!

what list? what expertise? who care?
I rather become a monkey and join Koko in this wilderniss.

Sara

Sara:
a list for the list is what we need from you.  I would donate for your
expertise in this field.  ron
—– Original Message —–
From: <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

P. Harmala can also be smoked. which a nice high, like a mild cocaine
high.

Sara

Mushrooms can also be smoked, with a very limited effect, and it
works with old old old ones that don’t work for eating. It’s
limited in that smoking more doesn’t make much difference.

Also mushrooms contain DMT, and some P. harmala or ayahuasca (vine
only) allows it to be absorbed, making for a more powerful
experience. (Haven’t tried that yet.)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:40 -0700 sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a
mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a
individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all
after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There

were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches
long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was
tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc.

I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk
which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type
of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all
contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves,
where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of

it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of
mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least
two
dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you
will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a

massage
per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being

a hippy
or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not
where you
live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great.
Even
better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and
healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help
you with
the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling

entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and

help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me,
I don’t
want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I
feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the
angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick
after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step
meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the
Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over
it does
not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus

certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does.

What I
am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other

skills
and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up.
Namely it is
a
detox protocol.

__________________________________
Yahoo! Mail – PC Magazine Editors’ Choice 2005
http://mail.yahoo.com

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 26, 2005 at 11:46:40 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sara:
a list for the list is what we need from you.  I would donate for your expertise in this field.  ron
—– Original Message —– From: <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

>

P. Harmala can also be smoked. which a nice high, like a mild cocaine high.

Sara

Mushrooms can also be smoked, with a very limited effect, and it
works with old old old ones that don’t work for eating. It’s
limited in that smoking more doesn’t make much difference.

Also mushrooms contain DMT, and some P. harmala or ayahuasca (vine
only) allows it to be absorbed, making for a more powerful
experience. (Haven’t tried that yet.)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:40 -0700 sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a
mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a
individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all
after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There

were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches
long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was
tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc.

I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk
which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type
of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all
contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves,
where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of

it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
>            Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of
mushrooms
> would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
> truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.
>
> Thanks
> Luke
>
> On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> >
>> Thanks  Vector,  😉
>>
>> Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
>> you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least
two
dosages
>> of
>> Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you
will need
>> atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a

massage
per
>> week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
>> and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
>> tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being

a hippy
or
>> not being one both is good.
>>
>> this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
>> or
>> to be brainwashed
>> by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not
where you
live
>> and so
>> my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.
>>
>> good luck on your search for detox.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great.
Even
better
>> > if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and
healing
>> > crystals.
>> >
>> > Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help
you with
the
>> > crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling

entities
>> > instead 😉
>> >
>> > .:vector:.
>> >
>> > — Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and

help, if
>> >> you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me,
I don’t
want
>> >> to hear it.
>> >>
>> >> Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I
feel
>> >> afterwards?
>> >> I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the
angels
sing
>> >> and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
>> >> san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick
after
>> >> ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step
meetings any
more
>> >> reasonable after ibogaine?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Jay
>> >>
>> >> On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the
Lotsoff
>> >> method
>> >> > promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over
it does
not
>> >> > include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus

certain
>> >> very
>> >> > pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
>> >> > work can be missed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does.

What I
am
>> >> > saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other

skills
and
>> >> > insights and abilities to instigate / set that up.
Namely it is
a
>> >> > detox protocol.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 26, 2005 at 11:45:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Nick! Very nice picture! Thanks for sharing. I LOVE seeing what folks look like!
Callie

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Enough with the pity parties, already
Date: October 26, 2005 at 11:40:06 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron,

I, like Rachel and many others, have been reading your
posts for quite some time now.  I have finally come to
the conclusion that not only are you very negative and
self-centered, you are also quite clueless when it
comes to interacting with others.

I can’t even count the number of times people have
offered you help, and/or a kind word, on this list.
Did you ever follow through with any of it?  Didn’t
Schmoolyboy set you up with a doctor or something-
like a YEAR AGO?

Your daily pity parties used to invoke sympathy from
me; now, they irritate me to no end.  Why, you may
ask?  Well, for one- You are gobbling up this list’s
time/resources, which could better be spent helping
people WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO HELP THEMSELVES, NOT JUST
WHINE, COMPLAIN, and then get pissed when people ask
you to stop.

Rather than attempting to free yourself from the
shackles of addiction, you seem rather complicit in
wallowing in misery and self-pity.  Hey, if you try
and then fail, AT LEAST YOU TRIED.  Have you been
trying Ron, or just shooting yourself in the foot with
your negativity?

You are not the only person who is going through tough
times.  Your father is very ill, and I sympathize with
that.  But- to put it in perspective- my mom died 12
years ago, and I’m not even 30 years old yet.
EVERYBODY HURTS, Ron.

Know thyself.

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From: “Nick Sandberg” <nick227@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 26, 2005 at 8:00:22 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Cool idea! Here’s me and Premal, my girlfriend. Be nice to see more of you guys and girls

Nick

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue
Date: October 26, 2005 at 11:04:06 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

what shuttle?  did we have a shuttle?  it’s a hoax, damn gov’t playing mime games with me, an admitted mark.  ron,
—– Original Message —–
From: Morning Wood
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue

Yeah, wouldn’t want to be like Mr. Bungle.

So did the ibogaine you took help at all?

I remember it was around the time the u.s. space shuttle landed I think.

See anything else of interest?

cheers,
J

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
it started as a joke.  i was a cubscout on a field trip in the 50’s to a local t.v. station that hosted an afternoon kid’s cartoon show.  the host was a demented pedophile named KOKO the Kenai Klown ( Kenai being a peninsula in Alaska where I lived). Koko interviewed me and I could see his nicotine stained fingers, smell the whiskey on his breath and his 3 o’clock shadow.  He sat a little too close for comfort. I’ve been afraid of Klownz every since then and it’s a running joke.  No foul was committed but I remember the spark in his jaundiced eyes. Klownz?  who needs ’em.. kind of feel the same way about mimes. apology not necessary.  ron  they are spooky to me
—– Original Message —–
From: Morning Wood
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue

hi Ron,   how’s it going?

why do call yourself koko and klown?

just curious,
-J

Sorry for being a dick
<g>

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] unevolved
Date: October 26, 2005 at 10:43:52 AM EDT
To: rwd3@cox.net, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Ron,

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings.  Nor for that message to go to the wholelist like that.  But since it did, I’ll send my apology wholesale as well.

Love,

Rachel

From: Capt Kirk <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] unsubbing for a bit….
Date: October 26, 2005 at 6:19:59 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ok, wish me luck. Gonnna try this unsub for a while.
Not sure how long I shall be gone.  If gone longer
than a week send the calvary. Look after yourselves!
I’ll miss ya’s!!  sniff sniff bottom lip wobble.

Parting is such sweet sorrow!!

Hasta la pasta

Kirk :o)

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwto don from ron, nuff said no mas, por favor
Date: October 26, 2005 at 2:57:36 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don<
I shoot first and talk later, don’t think you’re the man, my bad out of anger, don’t even know you.  kick my sorry ass anytime you get the urge, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT

LMAO!! Ron is an OK guy, a little wierd, but OK in my book. He kinda comes in waves, hell, he even helped me overcome one of MY anger issues with this list. I just don’t think getting so far off topic is beneficial to anybody. He gave me a wakeup call, was just returning the favor, that’s all.

Eye of the Bhogi wrote:
Dear Don,

As you may be able to tell from the list chatter, anytime Ron gets smacked by any listmember, it tends to set off a cycle of whining that is even more unbearable.  My sense after a year + here is that most people just avoid trying to set him off.  Even privately telling him he’s posting in an annoying fashion can lash back onto the list.  It’s a predictable cycle.

Welcome to the zoo.  And good luck in your healing process.  Where do you live?

Rachel

On 10/25/05, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:
Ron, you’re not really adding anyting to the group, we all got chairs here, Yours blanks out at times.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] way off topic…KoKo, this is 4 U
Date: October 26, 2005 at 2:52:37 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

great, Thanks! ron
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:19 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] way off topic…KoKo, this is 4 U

When Name Calling Isn’t Swearing

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw:to rachel and don (ot)
Date: October 26, 2005 at 2:49:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

don, want my chair? rachel sweetie, you want it? i have enough  respect for the disease process after 40 years and defending addicts with the killers not to stand in the way of one’s recovery.  don, you so certain I’m the reason you’re still getting snockered?  rachel, you so certain my whining is keeping you from being that self actualized person you picture yourself as being? or dropping that baggage you envision yourself as hiding so well? i’m an evolving idiot, never pretended i was anything but.  But i was taught during my all too brief 15 yrs of sobriety which is meaningless now to always look at myself first rather than blame some fool like me for my problems.  sorry i offend, its a character defect i work on.  i’ll go if you want , say the word rachel…Don, i question your integrity in this netherworld that can get people life… yeah, read the USCA , it has teeth.. i hope i’m wrong bro and if i am, i apologize.  this is a process unless i got it wrong. one doesn’t start at the top.  wish i were a better person..is that a whine?  i’ll punch out ifi’m holding anyone back with my profound gratitude for the ride. I learned a lot and met some nice folks. thanks, ron  you are now empowered rachel, enjoy!
—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT

Dear Don,

As you may be able to tell from the list chatter, anytime Ron gets smacked by any listmember, it tends to set off a cycle of whining that is even more unbearable.  My sense after a year + here is that most people just avoid trying to set him off.  Even privately telling him he’s posting in an annoying fashion can lash back onto the list.  It’s a predictable cycle.

Welcome to the zoo.  And good luck in your healing process.  Where do you live?

Rachel

On 10/25/05, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:
Ron, you’re not really adding anyting to the group, we all got chairs here, Yours blanks out at times.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Front door
Date: October 26, 2005 at 2:35:45 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Preston,

Best wishes and we all have ups and down, that’s part of life which we
have to learn how to deal with every now and then, it comes and goes like
everything else, not every day is a gray day, so don’t forget to look at
the bright side of life, you know…

luff lite and all the hippy shit…

Sara

That totally sucks.
I’ve been going through some stress myself, and I tell you I feel your
pain, although I’m not quite at the point of “it’s ending,” it’s more like
“god this place is fucking small for two utterly broke people and nine
cats.” Plus, I think there’s some “I’m getting older and I’m still not
sure
what I’m doing with my life” in the both of us, that feeling of “when the
hell am I going to see some of that success myself?”
Plus, just in myself, I’m way sick and tired of pain and addiction,
and
don’t know what to do. I’ve heard all the advice people can possibly give,
I
can’t turn to anyone else but me now, and I’ve already done that too- so
I’m
left with this totally desperate feeling of “depression” and “how long can
I
really take this shit” and “how long can I maintain” and “I could not take
another bout of ‘ending'” if it ever came to that. And I have a new book
coming out in a week or less- how can I be feeling so down?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
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Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Front door

Yeah, I will go back and check it out and chill out.

I’m just sad that I’m losing my best friend. My boyfriend of 6 years.
We
just got a new kitten.  He built me a fountain and was designing a
garden
for me.   I know it’s all for the best, I can’t stand drama so the
quicker
I can get through this the better because we don’t seem to be compatible
no matter how much we love each other.

Thanks,

brenda

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Front door
Date: October 26, 2005 at 2:11:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

That totally sucks.
I’ve been going through some stress myself, and I tell you I feel your pain, although I’m not quite at the point of “it’s ending,” it’s more like “god this place is fucking small for two utterly broke people and nine cats.” Plus, I think there’s some “I’m getting older and I’m still not sure what I’m doing with my life” in the both of us, that feeling of “when the hell am I going to see some of that success myself?”
Plus, just in myself, I’m way sick and tired of pain and addiction, and don’t know what to do. I’ve heard all the advice people can possibly give, I can’t turn to anyone else but me now, and I’ve already done that too- so I’m left with this totally desperate feeling of “depression” and “how long can I really take this shit” and “how long can I maintain” and “I could not take another bout of ‘ending'” if it ever came to that. And I have a new book coming out in a week or less- how can I be feeling so down?

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Front door

Yeah, I will go back and check it out and chill out.

I’m just sad that I’m losing my best friend. My boyfriend of 6 years.  We
just got a new kitten.  He built me a fountain and was designing a garden
for me.   I know it’s all for the best, I can’t stand drama so the quicker
I can get through this the better because we don’t seem to be compatible
no matter how much we love each other.

Thanks,

brenda

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 26, 2005 at 1:42:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

P. Harmala can also be smoked. which a nice high, like a mild cocaine high.

Sara

Mushrooms can also be smoked, with a very limited effect, and it
works with old old old ones that don’t work for eating. It’s
limited in that smoking more doesn’t make much difference.

Also mushrooms contain DMT, and some P. harmala or ayahuasca (vine
only) allows it to be absorbed, making for a more powerful
experience. (Haven’t tried that yet.)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:40 -0700 sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a
mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a
individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all
after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There

were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches
long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was
tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc.

I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk
which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type
of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all
contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves,
where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of

it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of
mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least
two
dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you
will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a

massage
per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being

a hippy
or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not
where you
live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great.
Even
better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and
healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help
you with
the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling

entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and

help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me,
I don’t
want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I
feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the
angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick
after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step
meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the
Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over
it does
not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus

certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does.

What I
am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other

skills
and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up.
Namely it is
a
detox protocol.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: How to tell if a terrorist is at the airport! (ot) Not for Don, check space, safe to open if that w’s what it takes. lightweight
Date: October 26, 2005 at 1:23:27 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:30 PM
Subject: How to tell if a terrorist is at the airport!

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] edema of feet and ankles, itching of hands and feet
Date: October 26, 2005 at 1:15:49 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

PS (no charge of course….)
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 6:13 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] edema of feet and ankles, itching of hands and feet

Hi Callie, are u taking milk thistle for the liver?  I took a combo of that, and other liver/blood stuff and don’t know if I am just lucky but I just had a negative test for live virus. Probly just lucky…
If u want to know supplements and herbs that might help for edema let me know.
I also make a chickweed ointment that does wonders for any kind of severe itching, rashes etc.  Life saver for parents who have babes with nappy rash.  Would be happy to send you some if you want.
Kirk :o)
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 6:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] edema of feet and ankles, itching of hands and feet

All, do any of you Methadone folks or former Methadone folks experience ankle edema and/or severe itching of hands and feet?
I have both. They come and go. This has been going on 2 years now!
My Doc can’t find any explanation for itching. He says edema is poor circulation and Methadone.
I also have Hep C which I think causes the itch on hands and feet.
I was just wondering if I was lone ranger,
Callie

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] edema of feet and ankles, itching of hands and feet
Date: October 26, 2005 at 1:14:04 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie,

I feel for you 🙁  Really, Really.  I used to get the creepy crawlies all over during withdrawl for years – it is horrible.  But, for some reason it stopped.  I pray it’s because I am on my way back up and my liver is functioning better.

brenda

On 10/25/05 10:02 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

> All, do any of you Methadone folks or former Methadone folks experience
> ankle edema and/or severe itching of hands and feet?
> I have both. They come and go. This has been going on 2 years now!
> My Doc can’t find any explanation for itching. He says edema is poor
> circulation and Methadone.
> I also have Hep C which I think causes the itch on hands and feet.
> I was just wondering if I was lone ranger,
> Callie
>


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] edema of feet and ankles, itching of hands and feet
Date: October 26, 2005 at 1:13:29 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Callie, are u taking milk thistle for the liver?  I took a combo of that, and other liver/blood stuff and don’t know if I am just lucky but I just had a negative test for live virus. Probly just lucky…
If u want to know supplements and herbs that might help for edema let me know.
I also make a chickweed ointment that does wonders for any kind of severe itching, rashes etc.  Life saver for parents who have babes with nappy rash.  Would be happy to send you some if you want.
Kirk :o)
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 6:02 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] edema of feet and ankles, itching of hands and feet

All, do any of you Methadone folks or former Methadone folks experience ankle edema and/or severe itching of hands and feet?
I have both. They come and go. This has been going on 2 years now!
My Doc can’t find any explanation for itching. He says edema is poor circulation and Methadone.
I also have Hep C which I think causes the itch on hands and feet.
I was just wondering if I was lone ranger,
Callie

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] brenda
Date: October 26, 2005 at 1:09:03 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie,

I agree.  The ONLY other decision I have made aside from going to treatment is not not make any other decisions.  Scott also said, we’re not moving out, we’re not making any decisions, but I do want to tell you I don’t know what will happen when you get back.  He told me the relationship was over while he’s going through his emotional rollercoaster.

Fine.  Right now, one day at a time is a very good idea (and I can’t stand AA and don’t go to meetings – but I DO have an AA sponsor I talk to almost every day)

But, I get my license back tomorrow!

brenda

AA/NA have a  good
> suggestion, make no major life changes (new relationship, divorce, change  of
> job,
> even major purchases) for at least your first year of sober/clean  time.
> Sometimes that means staying in a relationship for that first year cause
> breaking it
> off is for sure a major life change!
>
> Like I have seen several times this week………RELAX…….do the next
> RIGHT thing and let your higher power take over the rest.
> Callie
>


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] edema of feet and ankles, itching of hands and feet
Date: October 26, 2005 at 1:02:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

All, do any of you Methadone folks or former Methadone folks experience ankle edema and/or severe itching of hands and feet?
I have both. They come and go. This has been going on 2 years now!
My Doc can’t find any explanation for itching. He says edema is poor circulation and Methadone.
I also have Hep C which I think causes the itch on hands and feet.
I was just wondering if I was lone ranger,
Callie

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:57:34 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

you still be a kool angel sara. in my little bok anyway.  hope  to see you one day soon, ron
—– Original Message —– From: <sara119@xs4all.nl>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

>Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc. I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves, where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
>            Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of mushrooms
> would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
> truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.
>
> Thanks
> Luke
>
> On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> >
>> Thanks  Vector,  😉
>>
>> Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
>> you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least two
dosages
>> of
>> Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you will need
>> atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a massage
per
>> week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
>> and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
>> tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being a hippy
or
>> not being one both is good.
>>
>> this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
>> or
>> to be brainwashed
>> by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not where you
live
>> and so
>> my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.
>>
>> good luck on your search for detox.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even
better
>> > if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
>> > crystals.
>> >
>> > Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with
the
>> > crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling entities
>> > instead 😉
>> >
>> > .:vector:.
>> >
>> > — Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
>> >> you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t
want
>> >> to hear it.
>> >>
>> >> Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
>> >> afterwards?
>> >> I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels
sing
>> >> and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
>> >> san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
>> >> ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any
more
>> >> reasonable after ibogaine?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Jay
>> >>
>> >> On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff
>> >> method
>> >> > promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does
not
>> >> > include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain
>> >> very
>> >> > pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
>> >> > work can be missed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I
am
>> >> > saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills
and
>> >> > insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is
a
>> >> > detox protocol.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > __________________________________
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] koko on miscue
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:47:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue

I second the notion that it takes more out of you the older you
get. It was like being a baby for me, 2 weeks before I began to
find my everyday walking self again. With practice it seems to get
easier to bounce back, but maybe getting less out of it than at 1st
too.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:21:18 -0700 Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
I was a physical wreck that c/n function on my job.  never
anticipated the toll on the body.  my, what a few decades do to
one.  my providers were  sensational. must have more down time in
the equation.  3 weeks min.
enjoyed all i met. must go again
—– Original Message —–  From: Morning Wood
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue

Yeah, wouldn’t want to be like Mr. Bungle.

So did the ibogaine you took help at all?

I remember it was around the time the u.s. space shuttle landed
I think.

See anything else of interest?

cheers,
J

Ron Davis <rwd3@cox.net> wrote:
it started as a joke.  i was a cubscout on a field trip in the

50’s to a local t.v. station that hosted an afternoon kid’s
cartoon show.  the host was a demented pedophile named KOKO the
Kenai Klown ( Kenai being a peninsula in Alaska where I lived).
Koko interviewed me and I could see his nicotine stained fingers,
smell the whiskey on his breath and his 3 o’clock shadow.  He sat
a little too close for comfort. I’ve been afraid of Klownz every
since then and it’s a running joke.  No foul was committed but I
remember the spark in his jaundiced eyes. Klownz?  who needs ’em..

kind of feel the same way about mimes. apology not necessary.  ron

they are spooky to me
—– Original Message —–      From: Morning Wood
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue

hi Ron,   how’s it going?

why do call yourself koko and klown?

just curious,

-J

Sorry for being a dick

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:46:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

slow raise of hands..i was a junkie for 35 yrs.  prolly doesn’t get me the credentialed  respect i deserve.  shucks!  back to shooting paragoric, koko
—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

Callie, anyone who puts conditions up front on the help they are
willing to receive has to be ready to put up with a little abuse
here (unless they are paying money for the help 🙂 Ironic that the
main hands-on expert in methadone detox here is the sort of person
Jay rejects (Sara). Jay, it looks like aftercare is key to staying
clean after iboga, and the main way to avoid transpersonal
blathering etc is to see a very establishment therapist who will
not lay a trip on you (directly anyway) and stay away from this
list (Jay, Jay, ……?). Or the 12-step thing, if you can handle
having your in-crowd trash what got you clean (or maybe try a non-
NA group).

By the way, if anyone has sent me private email in the last few
days, I deleted a bunch of mail forgetting to scan it all (mailbox
full), so please send again if you can, thanks.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:19:44 -0700 CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
I did re-read it! Lets reread it together, okay?
“I’m a little late and coming into the middle of all  this so
please
bear with me. I don’t know what to  make of this place but it
looks
like a weird combination of hippy-dippy new  age dreck, hardcore
junkies and I don’t know what else”.

I think that is a right on assessment of all the folks here. I am
about the
only one who does not understand all the stuff you guys throw
around. I find
it  s/w fascinating but can see where someone who joined to learn
about
detoxing on  Ibogaine would find it frustrating.
Hell, I even consider myself hippy-dippy!

“Who is who? I could honestly give 2 shits about  transpersonal
blathering and new age mumbo jumbo by people who have never  been
addicted. I’m much more with Callie. Morning Wood, Ron, I’m
interested
in what ibogaine does for detox, what then, how does anyone here
stay
clean, do any of you who were junkies and stayed clean really do
it
through this new age crap? I don’t want to hear the  rebirthing
transpersonal nurturing granola sheet, sorry got my fill in the
60’s.
Is there any non blathering after ibogaine treatment or system  or
whatnot that works for anyone?”

Sounds like this man did his experimentation in the 60’s, which
was 40  years
ago and maybe feels he doesn’t have the time to wade through the
stuff  that
he didn’t decide to carry with him these past 40 years. Nothing
wrong with
that.
Also asking AGAIN for just an explanation of Ibogaine as a
treatment for
addiction.

“Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I  feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the  angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off  half-
baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick  after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?”

Sorry, but again, sounds like a desperate plea for help with a
little
anxiety and anger (which is fear).
I am just surprised at the responses to this mildly confrontative
plea for
info and help.

Maybe I am too old and been on Methadone too long to fit in here.
I am not going anywhere…just been frustrated easy lately. That
is from
within me, has nothing to do with you folks.
Captain K, you are just usually such a tolerable, peaceful person
that it
threw me back to read your words!
Callie

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] brenda
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:43:29 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I really agree with BeatriceBlues post to you.
If we really think about it we can’t hurt anyone. They get hurt because we are not conforming with what they want us to or we are not behaving as the ideal in their head.
In fact, we are but humans. We do not have the power to control any adults emotions. We are not that powerful. I guess we are being very grandiose if we honestly think we can!
Speaking for myself here only but I am a control freak. It does not appear as clearly as the nose on my face because I can really play the martyr! I love ‘jerking’ people around! Now keep in mind the people I ‘jerk’ around are souls just as sick or sicker than me! No self respecting mature person would allow me to control them in the passive/aggressive way I do. Most of the time my control is very subtle, not visible to anyone, not even myself for a while! I do eventually realize what I am doing and even then I don’t quit! It (control) is just as much an addiction to me as opiates.
Hell, most of the men who have spent any significant time in a relationship with me ends up like a pitiful mass of gray clay! No self esteem or very little, some feel they were emasculated by me and my manipulations and then a few woke up and smelled the coffee before I could step all over them.
I am not a bitch (not all the time, heh heh!), quite the contrary…..I use my addiction and personality flaws to make men want to ‘fix’ me. Little do they know………….the crying, the apologies, the pitiful me act is only my web I weave to suck them in! Then I begin to drain the life out of them by making them feel inadequate that they can’t save me!! God, what a cycle!!

My suggestion is let this guy go for a few months. AA/NA have a good suggestion, make no major life changes (new relationship, divorce, change of job, even major purchases) for at least your first year of sober/clean time. Sometimes that means staying in a relationship for that first year cause breaking it off is for sure a major life change!

Like I have seen several times this week………RELAX…….do the next RIGHT thing and let your higher power take over the rest.
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:09:31 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Might work but just stay unsubbed a week….I don’t think I can live a week without your replies!
You are the voice out in virtual land that never lets me down! Sorta like Mindvox. Oh God, did I blasphemy the Mindvox God?
Mindvox knows it is the superior in virtual reality. I hope I did not anger the being!
*Forgive me!* Callie kneeling in shame.*

 

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:12:10 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There’s a slight chance it would catch the problem, but maybe
Patrick can help when Florida resurfaces.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:04:21 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I wonder what would happen if I tried unsubbing every single email

address I
ever had on Mindvox, leaving it for a couple of days then signing
up again?

What do ya think?

_____

From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 5:01 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure

Lol!

I’m sorry…

I asked. I got.

There’s nobody there either.. for the past. ever since this
started
happening!  Never ever got a reply, Patrick wrote.. never got a
reply…rude
buggers aye?

Thank you heaps..like a car breaking down, always check the most
obvious.

_____

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Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 4:57 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure

contact the postmaster@concept.net.nz.

It says to do that if you disagree with message.

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:04:44 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No worries.  A switch got flipped in me today.  I cannot and will not ever
be harmful to him again.  I’m also in the middle of a 12 week Kriya Yoga
course so there are other factors.  Not just mindless junkie with no idea
what the hell is going on.

My friends are amazed at what I accomplish addicted to alcohol.  I have
pissed off one of my brothers.  It’s mostly hard to try and quit, go through
withdrawls…even get the valium and quit and then some wild idea tells me
it’s the most wonderful idea in the world to get drunk – huh?

As for the experience I am getting ready for.  Wow.  I’ve got a lot of
planning to do especially about after care and actually I’m going to get
some before care because all these weird feelings are coming up.

As far as getting RESET – yup, I know that’s what’s gonna happen.  I feel it
deep, deep inside.  But right now, my emotions are like a rollercoaster – I
go from feeling like a child of God to the devil’s spawn.

But, I mean what I said.  I will never harm him again.  It makes me ill to
even think about it – there has been some kind of “stoppage” in me fucking
with his head anymore, sober or drunk.  I can’t explain it.

But, I do appreciate your perspective.

brenda

On 10/25/05 6:41 PM, “Beatrice Blue” <beatriceblue@cox.net> wrote:

Brenda,

I don’t mean to be a pain or brake your bubble, but how can anyone ever say
to anyone else that they promise to not put them Śthrough any more shit
everą?  You set both the other person and you up for a horrible let down if
it, and letąs cross our fingers yet again that it wouldnąt, ever did happen.
And make it even worse on yourself because youąve made that promise, so not
only are you feeling guilty and shitty by letting yourself down for causing
Śshit,ą but for also braking your promise, which was unrealistic in the
first place.  Kind of sets it up that it will eventually happen.  Take one
day at a time.  Promise realistic things, such as that you will do your best
to not drag him down into that drama again.  But how can you promise?  After
all, you did drink, and will have to drink until the session.  Am I right?
Explain what youąre going through from your perspective (since heąs your
boyfriend, Iąm sure he knows what is basically going on, but tell him your
feelings and goals).  Ask him to understand what youąre fighting and that it
isnąt easy, and to at least try to stick with you (if this is what you want,
of course) until youąve completed your session.  Ask him to be there to
share in your success and support you in making it both a reality and a
permanent win.

Just my thoughts.  Iąm sorry, I donąt mean to be harsh, but it doesnąt sound
like a revolutionary thought, it sounds like yet another addictąs con.  Iąm
sure weąve all promised all sorts of versions of that thought to many of our
loved ones over the years while we were still using.  After braking so many
of our loved ones hearts, you see that itąs better to be honest and have
them help you, than setting yourself up for pushing them away.  Because,
after promising something like that and then braking it, you eventually feel
so guilty you donąt want them to know anymore so start alienating & losing
them.  I really donąt know you or your situation, so may be talking out my
ass, but thought Iąd say something.  Donąt want to see anyone set themselves
up for failure.

On 10/25/05 6:07 PM, “shakti@photon.net” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:

Phew.  I would like to apologize to everybody…I probably don’t need to
but getting ready for my journey and then facing a breakup with Scott is a
bit overwhelming.  I’m aware that I can focus on joshing around with my
co-workers and serving our customers in and totally awesome way – I do
have to acknowledge what is happening – My heart is breaking.

I had a revolutionary thought today.  When he picks me up from work I’m
going to tell him that I will never put him through any more shit ever,
ever again.  Wether we stay together or not.  He got upset because after I
tried to cold turkey and had an anxiety attack when he saw me drink again
he basically said – oh god, it’s starting again.  i think i better leave.

and that breaks my heart.  not that he would leave but that i put him
through hell.  noone deserves that.

but let’s focus on the positive!  my time off got approved!  i was going
to call in sick if for some reason it didn’t but I HAVE 3 VACATION DAYS!
then 2 holidays.  and 2 weekend days the weekend before and the weekend
after.  woo hoo!

brenda 🙂

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db (damn bloody) mail error…. next!
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:06:52 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:55:56 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
The one biggest prob with emailing… not seeing the face of the
sender at
the time of writing!  Either that or your humour is so dry it
evaporates??

Dang, you figured me out already.

Lol :o)
Dats my face btw…

:-)…

Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 4:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db (damn bloody) mail error…. next!

There we go… 🙂 Beam me up, Scotty!

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:47:04 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:43:15 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Mate, don’t ever be sorry!

It was just dry humor, sorry again 🙂 🙂

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:04:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I wonder what would happen if I tried unsubbing every single email address I ever had on Mindvox, leaving it for a couple of days then signing up again?
What do ya think?
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 5:01 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure

Lol!
I’m sorry…..
I asked… I got.
There’s nobody there either.. for the past… ever since this started happening!  Never ever got a reply, Patrick wrote.. never got a reply…..rude buggers aye?
Thank you heaps….like a car breaking down, always check the most obvious.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 4:57 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure

contact the postmaster@concept.net.nz.

It says to do that if you disagree with message.

Callie

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: October 26, 2005 at 12:01:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lol!
I’m sorry…..
I asked… I got.
There’s nobody there either.. for the past… ever since this started happening!  Never ever got a reply, Patrick wrote.. never got a reply…..rude buggers aye?
Thank you heaps….like a car breaking down, always check the most obvious.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 4:57 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure

contact the postmaster@concept.net.nz.

It says to do that if you disagree with message.

Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fwd: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:56:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

contact the postmaster@concept.net.nz.

It says to do that if you disagree with message.

Callie

From: MAILER-DAEMON@ceres.concept.net.nz
Subject: DBMAIL: delivery failure
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:20:44 PM EDT
To: CallieMimosa@aol.com

This is the DBMAIL-SMTP program.

I’m sorry to inform you that your message, addressed to captkirk,
could not be delivered due to the following error.

*** Mailbox of user captkirk is FULL ***

If you think this message is incorrect please contact postmaster@concept.net.nz.

Header of your message follows…

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db (damn bloody) mail error…. next!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:55:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The one biggest prob with emailing… not seeing the face of the sender at
the time of writing!  Either that or your humour is so dry it evaporates??
Lol :o)
Dats my face btw…
Kirk

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 4:53 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db (damn bloody) mail error…. next!

There we go… 🙂 Beam me up, Scotty!

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:47:04 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:43:15 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Mate, don’t ever be sorry!

It was just dry humor, sorry again 🙂 🙂

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:54:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes.   I get this.

Thanks,

Brenda

On 10/25/05 7:27 PM, “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net> wrote:

I hate to have to brake this up, but I agree wholehartedly. Brenda, the whole
“I need support, I need help, I need Scott” is gonna change. You are going to
let go of all of that. Be ready to be an entirely NEW WOMAN. Your addiction
INCLUDES relationships, Ibo IS GOING to RESET YOU to a time to where you DON”T
NEED THIS! To be loved, you HAVE to be admired. Not needed OR needy and
wanting. You just gotta be great. You were born special, you became an
albatross. You are SOO lucky you get to reset, so stop thinking, wondering,
worrying about now, just clear your mind and be a kid again. You are not going
to “Deal With” anything forward from Detox1, no lies, no manipulation, no
scenarios in your head, no scheming, no jealously. Just YOU
Remember this on your journey:
I DON’T NEED ANYTHING.

Bee

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db (damn bloody) mail error…. next!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:52:34 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

There we go… 🙂 Beam me up, Scotty!

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:47:04 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:43:15 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Mate, don’t ever be sorry!

It was just dry humor, sorry again 🙂 🙂

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Bea.
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:47:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Can you enlarge your font to size 12 or 14? I can hardly see yours it is so small!
Tanks in advance!
Callie

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db (damn bloody) mail error…. next!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:47:04 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:43:15 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Mate, don’t ever be sorry!

It was just dry humor, sorry again 🙂 🙂

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] db (damn bloody) mail error…. next!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:45:19 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:43:15 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Mate, don’t ever be sorry!

It was just dry humor, sorry again 🙂 🙂

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:45:01 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

but let’s focus on the positive!  my time off got approved!  i was going
to call in sick if for some reason it didn’t but I HAVE 3 VACATION DAYS!
then 2 holidays.  and 2 weekend days the weekend before and the weekend
after.  woo hoo!

WOO HOO is right! Isn’t it amazing when a plan comes together?!
If your treatment is supposed to be everything will fall into place and fit like a jigsaw puzzle, everything interlocking in the right place!
And that boyfriend of yours…..I am 46 years old and it took me 40 to figure out that if a relationship is to be it will be! He will still be around after you work on yourself and you will probably be able to love him better.
Tell him in a sweet way that time apart while you work on yourself is also work on your relationship.
I feel like I sound like my sweet mother….she used to tell me that if a guy loved me they would put whatever I wanted ahead of what they want. Hell, we women do that ALL the time for the men we ‘love’!!
If it is a relationship worth keeping he will still be your friend during this difficult but extremely necessary life saving bit of time. Then when you are well on your way to being a whole person you can become lovers again. Lovers not just in the physical sense but in the emotional, spiritual way that you have not experienced because that part of your psyche is immature and not developed.
Did you know I have heard we quit maturing emotionally when we addicts/alcoholics begin our addiction! That makes me a 46 year old intelligent woman who reacts emotionally as a 14 year old child!
No wonder we stayed confused and bewildered all the time!
Hang in there chick!
Callie

 

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] db (damn bloody) mail error…. next!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:43:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mate, don’t ever be sorry!  If we can find a solution thru hashing it out on
here then I’m all for it! All suggestions welcome. Who knows maybe we missed
something?  I dunno.
Not quite sure I follow the address/addressee part though….maybe Patrick
will pop in some time and see that part? I gather that was for him?
No I don’t remember doing that last thing either…. lol.
Thanks again… keep trying!!!
Appreciated
Kirk :o)

—–Original Message—–
From: slowone@hush.ai [mailto:slowone@hush.ai]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 4:28 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

It’s apparently an email account that you no longer own, that
remains subscribed to the list. Theoretically anyone who can
administer the list robot should be able to delete your old
subscription. If the mechanism to do that is broken, the answer is
to turn off the robot and root through its files to find the
subscription list and delete it there. If your old addr isn’t
there, the answer is to send mail directly to everyone in the list
(not via the robot) with the addressee’s address in each message or
subject to see which _other_ address somehow maps to your old
address. (Ideally one would be able to search for addresses that
stopped posting when you changed providers to limit the spam
everyone would see.) Do you remember ever setting one account to
forward mail to the addr that is bouncing?

Sorry, but someone had to say these things 🙂

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:04:34 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
But it’s ONLY with the Ibogaine list. If the mailbox was full, I
wouldn’t
get ANY mail and it wouldn’t just be one email address that
bounces? Does
that make sense?

You didn’t need to say you like girls.  You’re a republican, so
odds are you
are also homophobic?

(J/KING!!!!!!!!)

Kirk ;o)

_____

From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Because you still own the full mailbox.
AND I like girls.

Capt Kirk wrote:

If the mailbox was really full, why then would I get emails?  Aye
aye?? Lol

And lol@be feminine this time.

Funny story, I got a friend who reckons part of MY recovery is
removing the
Capt Kirk from my life. I don’t really agree… it’s been with me
for a long
time.. longer than opiate addiction anyway.

I dunno.. Comments?

Kirk :o)

_____

From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Well, if the site is gone, then the mailbox is full, maybe
unsubscribe from
HERE? Then resubscribe. Change a letter. Be feminine this time,
I’m confused
easily. Re-sign in as Uhura and see if SHE gets bounced, It is all

LOGIC

Capt Kirk wrote:

I have tried 3 different mail addresses now and even changed my
internet
service provider. And each time I unsubbed each email address.
Patrick took
the time (bless ya bro!) to go over this line by line with me (the

db mail
error) so that’s already been checked.  I think I will contact my
service
provider now and see if they can help.  Cos the site is definitely

gone.

Buggered if I know !! lol

Kirk

_____

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking
about
this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to
this list
with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the

problem
for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one
she’s using
now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had

another
one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So,

whoever
is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old

address.
Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it
for us all.
Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:35:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mushrooms can also be smoked, with a very limited effect, and it
works with old old old ones that don’t work for eating. It’s
limited in that smoking more doesn’t make much difference.

Also mushrooms contain DMT, and some P. harmala or ayahuasca (vine
only) allows it to be absorbed, making for a more powerful
experience. (Haven’t tried that yet.)

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:40 -0700 sara119@xs4all.nl wrote:
Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a
mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a
individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all
after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There

were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches
long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was
tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc.

I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk
which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type
of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all
contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves,
where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of

it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of
mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least
two
dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you
will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a

massage
per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being

a hippy
or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not
where you
live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great.
Even
better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and
healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help
you with
the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling

entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and

help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me,
I don’t
want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I
feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the
angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick
after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step
meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the
Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over
it does
not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus

certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does.

What I
am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other

skills
and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up.
Namely it is
a
detox protocol.

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:31:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/25/2005 7:58:21 PM Central Daylight Time, beatriceblue@cox.net writes:
Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking about this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to this list with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the problem for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one she’s using now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had another one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So, whoever is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old address.  Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it for us all.  Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…

That is such a simple solution it can’t work! hahahahahaha!!!

From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:28:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It’s apparently an email account that you no longer own, that
remains subscribed to the list. Theoretically anyone who can
administer the list robot should be able to delete your old
subscription. If the mechanism to do that is broken, the answer is
to turn off the robot and root through its files to find the
subscription list and delete it there. If your old addr isn’t
there, the answer is to send mail directly to everyone in the list
(not via the robot) with the addressee’s address in each message or
subject to see which _other_ address somehow maps to your old
address. (Ideally one would be able to search for addresses that
stopped posting when you changed providers to limit the spam
everyone would see.) Do you remember ever setting one account to
forward mail to the addr that is bouncing?

Sorry, but someone had to say these things 🙂

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:04:34 -0700 Capt Kirk
<captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
But it’s ONLY with the Ibogaine list. If the mailbox was full, I
wouldn’t
get ANY mail and it wouldn’t just be one email address that
bounces? Does
that make sense?

You didn’t need to say you like girls.  You’re a republican, so
odds are you
are also homophobic?

(J/KING!!!!!!!!)

Kirk ;o)

_____

From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Because you still own the full mailbox.
AND I like girls.

Capt Kirk wrote:

If the mailbox was really full, why then would I get emails?  Aye
aye?? Lol

And lol@be feminine this time.

Funny story, I got a friend who reckons part of MY recovery is
removing the
Capt Kirk from my life. I don’t really agree… it’s been with me
for a long
time.. longer than opiate addiction anyway.

I dunno.. Comments?

Kirk :o)

_____

From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Well, if the site is gone, then the mailbox is full, maybe
unsubscribe from
HERE? Then resubscribe. Change a letter. Be feminine this time,
I’m confused
easily. Re-sign in as Uhura and see if SHE gets bounced, It is all

LOGIC

Capt Kirk wrote:

I have tried 3 different mail addresses now and even changed my
internet
service provider. And each time I unsubbed each email address.
Patrick took
the time (bless ya bro!) to go over this line by line with me (the

db mail
error) so that’s already been checked.  I think I will contact my
service
provider now and see if they can help.  Cos the site is definitely

gone.

Buggered if I know !! lol

Kirk

_____

From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking
about
this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to
this list
with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the

problem
for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one
she’s using
now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had

another
one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So,

whoever
is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old

address.
Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it
for us all.
Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] way off topic…KoKo, this is 4 U
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:19:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

When Name Calling Isn’t Swearing

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:04:34 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

But it’s ONLY with the Ibogaine list. If the mailbox was full, I wouldn’t get ANY mail and it wouldn’t just be one email address that bounces? Does that make sense?
You didn’t need to say you like girls.  You’re a republican, so odds are you are also homophobic?
(J/KING!!!!!!!!)
Kirk ;o)
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Because you still own the full mailbox. 
AND I like girls. 

Capt Kirk wrote:
If the mailbox was really full, why then would I get emails?  Aye aye?? Lol
And lol@be feminine this time.
Funny story, I got a friend who reckons part of MY recovery is removing the Capt Kirk from my life. I don’t really agree….. it’s been with me for a long time.. longer than opiate addiction anyway…
I dunno…. Comments?
Kirk :o)
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Well, if the site is gone, then the mailbox is full, maybe unsubscribe from HERE? Then resubscribe. Change a letter. Be feminine this time, I’m confused easily. Re-sign in as Uhura and see if SHE gets bounced, It is all LOGIC

Capt Kirk wrote:
I have tried 3 different mail addresses now and even changed my internet service provider. And each time I unsubbed each email address.  Patrick took the time (bless ya bro!) to go over this line by line with me (the db mail error) so that’s already been checked.  I think I will contact my service provider now and see if they can help.  Cos the site is definitely  gone.
Buggered if I know !! lol
Kirk
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking about this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to this list with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the problem for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one she’s using now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had another one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So, whoever is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old address.  Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it for us all.  Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 10:57:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Because you still own the full mailbox.
AND I like girls.

Capt Kirk wrote:
If the mailbox was really full, why then would I get emails?  Aye aye?? Lol
And lol@be feminine this time.
Funny story, I got a friend who reckons part of MY recovery is removing the Capt Kirk from my life. I don’t really agree….. it’s been with me for a long time.. longer than opiate addiction anyway…
I dunno…. Comments?
Kirk :o)
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Well, if the site is gone, then the mailbox is full, maybe unsubscribe from HERE? Then resubscribe. Change a letter. Be feminine this time, I’m confused easily. Re-sign in as Uhura and see if SHE gets bounced, It is all LOGIC

Capt Kirk wrote:
I have tried 3 different mail addresses now and even changed my internet service provider. And each time I unsubbed each email address.  Patrick took the time (bless ya bro!) to go over this line by line with me (the db mail error) so that’s already been checked.  I think I will contact my service provider now and see if they can help.  Cos the site is definitely  gone.
Buggered if I know !! lol
Kirk
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking about this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to this list with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the problem for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one she’s using now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had another one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So, whoever is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old address.  Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it for us all.  Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 10:51:55 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If the mailbox was really full, why then would I get emails?  Aye aye?? Lol
And lol@be feminine this time.
Funny story, I got a friend who reckons part of MY recovery is removing the Capt Kirk from my life. I don’t really agree….. it’s been with me for a long time.. longer than opiate addiction anyway…
I dunno…. Comments?
Kirk :o)
From: Don Patton [mailto:SuperBee@Tstar.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 3:40 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Well, if the site is gone, then the mailbox is full, maybe unsubscribe from HERE? Then resubscribe. Change a letter. Be feminine this time, I’m confused easily. Re-sign in as Uhura and see if SHE gets bounced, It is all LOGIC

Capt Kirk wrote:
I have tried 3 different mail addresses now and even changed my internet service provider. And each time I unsubbed each email address.  Patrick took the time (bless ya bro!) to go over this line by line with me (the db mail error) so that’s already been checked.  I think I will contact my service provider now and see if they can help.  Cos the site is definitely  gone.
Buggered if I know !! lol
Kirk
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking about this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to this list with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the problem for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one she’s using now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had another one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So, whoever is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old address.  Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it for us all.  Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 10:40:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well, if the site is gone, then the mailbox is full, maybe unsubscribe from HERE? Then resubscribe. Change a letter. Be feminine this time, I’m confused easily. Re-sign in as Uhura and see if SHE gets bounced, It is all LOGIC

Capt Kirk wrote:
I have tried 3 different mail addresses now and even changed my internet service provider. And each time I unsubbed each email address.  Patrick took the time (bless ya bro!) to go over this line by line with me (the db mail error) so that’s already been checked.  I think I will contact my service provider now and see if they can help.  Cos the site is definitely  gone.
Buggered if I know !! lol
Kirk
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking about this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to this list with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the problem for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one she’s using now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had another one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So, whoever is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old address.  Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it for us all.  Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 10:27:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I hate to have to brake this up, but I agree wholehartedly. Brenda, the whole “I need support, I need help, I need Scott” is gonna change. You are going to let go of all of that. Be ready to be an entirely NEW WOMAN. Your addiction INCLUDES relationships, Ibo IS GOING to RESET YOU to a time to where you DON”T NEED THIS! To be loved, you HAVE to be admired. Not needed OR needy and wanting. You just gotta be great. You were born special, you became an albatross. You are SOO lucky you get to reset, so stop thinking, wondering, worrying about now, just clear your mind and be a kid again. You are not going to “Deal With” anything forward from Detox1, no lies, no manipulation, no scenarios in your head, no scheming, no jealously. Just YOU
Remember this on your journey:
I DON’T NEED ANYTHING.

Bee

Beatrice Blue wrote:
Brenda,

I don’t mean to be a pain or brake your bubble, but how can anyone ever say to anyone else that they promise to not put them ‘through any more shit ever’?  You set both the other person and you up for a horrible let down if it, and let’s cross our fingers yet again that it wouldn’t, ever did happen.  And make it even worse on yourself because you’ve made that promise, so not only are you feeling guilty and shitty by letting yourself down for causing ‘shit,’ but for also braking your promise, which was unrealistic in the first place.  Kind of sets it up that it will eventually happen.  Take one day at a time.  Promise realistic things, such as that you will do your best to not drag him down into that drama again.  But how can you promise?  After all, you did drink, and will have to drink until the session.  Am I right?  Explain what you’re going through from your perspective (since he’s your boyfriend, I’m sure he knows what is basically going on, but tell him your feelings and goals).  Ask him to understand what you’re fighting and that it isn’t easy, and to at least try to stick with you (if this is what you want, of course) until you’ve completed your session.  Ask him to be there to share in your success and support you in making it both a reality and a permanent win.

Just my thoughts.  I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be harsh, but it doesn’t sound like a revolutionary thought, it sounds like yet another addict’s con.  I’m sure we’ve all promised all sorts of versions of that thought to many of our loved ones over the years while we were still using.  After braking so many of our loved ones hearts, you see that it’s better to be honest and have them help you, than setting yourself up for pushing them away.  Because, after promising something like that and then braking it, you eventually feel so guilty you don’t want them to know anymore so start alienating & losing them.  I really don’t know you or your situation, so may be talking out my ass, but thought I’d say something.  Don’t want to see anyone set themselves up for failure.

On 10/25/05 6:07 PM, “shakti@photon.net” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:

> Phew.  I would like to apologize to everybody…I probably don’t need to
> but getting ready for my journey and then facing a breakup with Scott is a
> bit overwhelming.  I’m aware that I can focus on joshing around with my
> co-workers and serving our customers in and totally awesome way – I do
> have to acknowledge what is happening – My heart is breaking.
>
> I had a revolutionary thought today.  When he picks me up from work I’m
> going to tell him that I will never put him through any more shit ever,
> ever again.  Wether we stay together or not.  He got upset because after I
> tried to cold turkey and had an anxiety attack when he saw me drink again
> he basically said – oh god, it’s starting again.  i think i better leave.
>
> and that breaks my heart.  not that he would leave but that i put him
> through hell.  noone deserves that.
>
> but let’s focus on the positive!  my time off got approved!  i was going
> to call in sick if for some reason it didn’t but I HAVE 3 VACATION DAYS!
> then 2 holidays.  and 2 weekend days the weekend before and the weekend
> after.  woo hoo!
>
> brenda 🙂
>
>
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 9:50:18 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have tried 3 different mail addresses now and even changed my internet service provider. And each time I unsubbed each email address.  Patrick took the time (bless ya bro!) to go over this line by line with me (the db mail error) so that’s already been checked.  I think I will contact my service provider now and see if they can help.  Cos the site is definitely  gone.
Buggered if I know !! lol
Kirk
From: Beatrice Blue [mailto:beatriceblue@cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 1:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] DB mail error

Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking about this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to this list with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the problem for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one she’s using now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had another one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So, whoever is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old address.  Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it for us all.  Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 9:41:30 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda,

I don’t mean to be a pain or brake your bubble, but how can anyone ever say to anyone else that they promise to not put them ‘through any more shit ever’?  You set both the other person and you up for a horrible let down if it, and let’s cross our fingers yet again that it wouldn’t, ever did happen.  And make it even worse on yourself because you’ve made that promise, so not only are you feeling guilty and shitty by letting yourself down for causing ‘shit,’ but for also braking your promise, which was unrealistic in the first place.  Kind of sets it up that it will eventually happen.  Take one day at a time.  Promise realistic things, such as that you will do your best to not drag him down into that drama again.  But how can you promise?  After all, you did drink, and will have to drink until the session.  Am I right?  Explain what you’re going through from your perspective (since he’s your boyfriend, I’m sure he knows what is basically going on, but tell him your feelings and goals).  Ask him to understand what you’re fighting and that it isn’t easy, and to at least try to stick with you (if this is what you want, of course) until you’ve completed your session.  Ask him to be there to share in your success and support you in making it both a reality and a permanent win.

Just my thoughts.  I’m sorry, I don’t mean to be harsh, but it doesn’t sound like a revolutionary thought, it sounds like yet another addict’s con.  I’m sure we’ve all promised all sorts of versions of that thought to many of our loved ones over the years while we were still using.  After braking so many of our loved ones hearts, you see that it’s better to be honest and have them help you, than setting yourself up for pushing them away.  Because, after promising something like that and then braking it, you eventually feel so guilty you don’t want them to know anymore so start alienating & losing them.  I really don’t know you or your situation, so may be talking out my ass, but thought I’d say something.  Don’t want to see anyone set themselves up for failure.

On 10/25/05 6:07 PM, “shakti@photon.net” <shakti@photon.net> wrote:

> Phew.  I would like to apologize to everybody…I probably don’t need to
> but getting ready for my journey and then facing a breakup with Scott is a
> bit overwhelming.  I’m aware that I can focus on joshing around with my
> co-workers and serving our customers in and totally awesome way – I do
> have to acknowledge what is happening – My heart is breaking.
>
> I had a revolutionary thought today.  When he picks me up from work I’m
> going to tell him that I will never put him through any more shit ever,
> ever again.  Wether we stay together or not.  He got upset because after I
> tried to cold turkey and had an anxiety attack when he saw me drink again
> he basically said – oh god, it’s starting again.  i think i better leave.
>
> and that breaks my heart.  not that he would leave but that i put him
> through hell.  noone deserves that.
>
> but let’s focus on the positive!  my time off got approved!  i was going
> to call in sick if for some reason it didn’t but I HAVE 3 VACATION DAYS!
> then 2 holidays.  and 2 weekend days the weekend before and the weekend
> after.  woo hoo!
>
> brenda 🙂
>
>
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 9:24:55 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I kinda like getting bounced, it reminds me I said something stupid 30 seconds ago.

Beatrice Blue wrote:
Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking about this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to this list with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the problem for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one she’s using now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had another one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So, whoever is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old address.  Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it for us all.  Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…
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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 9:20:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda, I am SOOO happy for you! It seems as if you are getting ready for a CHANGE!

Two thoughts:
1: Never say never, that is a lie in itself and only BLEEDS mistrust
2: Tell him he is going to get a new girlfriend anyways, just stick around to meet her!!

Love ya

Bee

shakti@photon.net wrote:

Phew.  I would like to apologize to everybody…I probably don’t need to
but getting ready for my journey and then facing a breakup with Scott is a
bit overwhelming.  I’m aware that I can focus on joshing around with my
co-workers and serving our customers in and totally awesome way – I do
have to acknowledge what is happening – My heart is breaking.

I had a revolutionary thought today.  When he picks me up from work I’m
going to tell him that I will never put him through any more shit ever,
ever again.  Wether we stay together or not.  He got upset because after I
tried to cold turkey and had an anxiety attack when he saw me drink again
he basically said – oh god, it’s starting again.  i think i better leave.

and that breaks my heart.  not that he would leave but that i put him
through hell.  noone deserves that.

but let’s focus on the positive!  my time off got approved!  i was going
to call in sick if for some reason it didn’t but I HAVE 3 VACATION DAYS! then 2 holidays.  and 2 weekend days the weekend before and the weekend
after.  woo hoo!

brenda 🙂

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Thanks everybody – and good news!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 9:07:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Phew.  I would like to apologize to everybody…I probably don’t need to
but getting ready for my journey and then facing a breakup with Scott is a
bit overwhelming.  I’m aware that I can focus on joshing around with my
co-workers and serving our customers in and totally awesome way – I do
have to acknowledge what is happening – My heart is breaking.

I had a revolutionary thought today.  When he picks me up from work I’m
going to tell him that I will never put him through any more shit ever,
ever again.  Wether we stay together or not.  He got upset because after I
tried to cold turkey and had an anxiety attack when he saw me drink again
he basically said – oh god, it’s starting again.  i think i better leave.

and that breaks my heart.  not that he would leave but that i put him
through hell.  noone deserves that.

but let’s focus on the positive!  my time off got approved!  i was going
to call in sick if for some reason it didn’t but I HAVE 3 VACATION DAYS!
then 2 holidays.  and 2 weekend days the weekend before and the weekend
after.  woo hoo!

brenda 🙂

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From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] DB mail error
Date: October 25, 2005 at 8:58:04 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ok, guys, after again getting another of these I started thinking about this.  I’m assuming that Capt. Kirk was originally signed up to this list with another email address, and that’s the one that is causing the problem for everyone.  Am I right?  Because I seriously doubt the one she’s using now, the @yahoo.co.uk one, is causing this.  If I’m right, she had another one, like something ending in @concept.net.nz or close to it.  So, whoever is in charge of this list should stop the subscription to that old address.  Then, no emails will be sent to it and hopefully, it’ll stop it for us all.  Now, everyone cross your fingers that it’ll work…

From: Beatrice Blue <beatriceblue@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 8:36:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Here!  Here!  Good for you, Callie!  My thoughts exactly.

On 10/25/05 3:41 PM, “CallieMimosa@aol.com” <CallieMimosa@aol.com> wrote:

I should probably read some more replies to this before I type but I can’t cause I want to say this so bad!! lol!

Brenda, I understand sorta what you are saying about people that are still using BUT….
that person still using might say something that you identify with so much it changes you and saves your life or ass.
There is no way I would change a thing about this list!! Even the crazy posts that are so off the wall or subject have something in them for me! They teach me tolerance…..tolerance to listen or read what another person has to say because it is important to them.
I also learn that I do not know everything. A lot of people here I do not understand or do not agree with what they say but we are all alike…..we are all affected by addiction in one way or another. This is our common ground. Whether we are clean, half clean, dirty, sober, drunk, mother or father of addict, friend of addict…..whatever…..we want to learn, we want to experience Ibogaine, we all want to learn to live with less pain.
We all deserve to be hear and to be heard no matter what it is we have to say.
Callie

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] well said callie
Date: October 25, 2005 at 7:23:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m glad to be hear….

Capt Kirk wrote:
Well said Callie :o)
Kirk xx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 11:41 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!

I should probably read some more replies to this before I type but I can’t cause I want to say this so bad!! lol!

Brenda, I understand sorta what you are saying about people that are still using BUT….
that person still using might say something that you identify with so much it changes you and saves your life or ass.
There is no way I would change a thing about this list!! Even the crazy posts that are so off the wall or subject have something in them for me! They teach me tolerance…..tolerance to listen or read what another person has to say because it is important to them.
I also learn that I do not know everything. A lot of people here I do not understand or do not agree with what they say but we are all alike…..we are all affected by addiction in one way or another. This is our common ground. Whether we are clean, half clean, dirty, sober, drunk, mother or father of addict, friend of addict…..whatever…..we want to learn, we want to experience Ibogaine, we all want to learn to live with less pain.
We all deserve to be hear and to be heard no matter what it is we have to say.
Callie
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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] well said callie
Date: October 25, 2005 at 7:21:01 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well said Callie :o)
Kirk xx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 11:41 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!

I should probably read some more replies to this before I type but I can’t cause I want to say this so bad!! lol!

Brenda, I understand sorta what you are saying about people that are still using BUT….
that person still using might say something that you identify with so much it changes you and saves your life or ass.
There is no way I would change a thing about this list!! Even the crazy posts that are so off the wall or subject have something in them for me! They teach me tolerance…..tolerance to listen or read what another person has to say because it is important to them.
I also learn that I do not know everything. A lot of people here I do not understand or do not agree with what they say but we are all alike…..we are all affected by addiction in one way or another. This is our common ground. Whether we are clean, half clean, dirty, sober, drunk, mother or father of addict, friend of addict…..whatever…..we want to learn, we want to experience Ibogaine, we all want to learn to live with less pain.
We all deserve to be hear and to be heard no matter what it is we have to say.
Callie

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Front door
Date: October 25, 2005 at 7:20:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ohh Know how you feel.
Had to cut out of an 8 year relationship… too co dependant… always
talking eachother into retaking drugs. Weren’t going anywhere fast. So, had
to end it. Wasn’t easy.. but now, 5 years later I am very happy I did it.
Had to start my own journey of self discovery some time and it wasn’t
happening in a relationship.
Miss the hugs and intimacy n shit, but that will come again I’m sure…
Geez bloody better!!! I’ll be really grumpy if this drought continues much
longer!!!! LOL
OK
Big huggs
Kirk
—–Original Message—–
From: shakti@photon.net [mailto:shakti@photon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 11:00 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Front door

Yeah, I will go back and check it out and chill out.

I’m just sad that I’m losing my best friend. My boyfriend of 6 years.  We
just got a new kitten.  He built me a fountain and was designing a garden
for me.   I know it’s all for the best, I can’t stand drama so the quicker
I can get through this the better because we don’t seem to be compatible
no matter how much we love each other.

Thanks,

brenda

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 7:06:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you, Callie.  I understand what you are saying.

Brenda

I should probably read some more replies to this before I type but I can’t
cause I want to say this so bad!! lol!

Brenda, I understand sorta what you are saying about people that are still
using BUT….
that person still using might say something that you identify with so much
it changes you and saves your life or ass.
There is no way I would change a thing about this list!! Even the crazy
posts that are so off the wall or subject have something in them for me!
They
teach me tolerance…..tolerance to listen or read what another person has
to
say because it is important to them.
I also learn that I do not know everything. A lot of people here I do not
understand or do not agree with what they say but we are all alike…..we
are
all affected by addiction in one way or another. This is our common
ground.
Whether we are clean, half clean, dirty, sober, drunk, mother or father of
addict, friend of addict…..whatever…..we want to learn, we want to
experience
Ibogaine, we all want to learn to live with less pain.
We all deserve to be hear and to be heard no matter what it is we have to
say.
Callie

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From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night
Date: October 25, 2005 at 7:01:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/25/2005 3:15:35 PM Central Daylight Time, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:
Jack Cole, one of the founders of LEAP, submitted an article to my first
book, Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, explaining why
he and so many other law enforcement officers are against the entire idea of
a war on some drugs and users. He came to the book release party, which was
interesting, having this former sheriff hanging out where I was most
definitely doing a lot of pot smoking and shroom eating.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often
mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations,
Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson
last night

Heard this story hyped a bit on the run-ups to The Situation Room on msnbc,
but it got buried by the emerging Cheney scandal and the passing of Civil
Rights activisit, Rosa Parks.  Don’t know anything about LEAP, but I like
that he confesses at the end (Preston!) that “the drug war has failed.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813660/

CARLSON:  Welcome back.
While violent crime may be at historic lows in America, the number of
arrests for drug abuse violations has more than quadrupled since 1970.  Last
year, more than a million and a half drug-related arrests were made.
My next guest has a solution:  Make drugs legal.  And not just pot and
cocaine; he wants to legalize meth and heroin, as well.
Norm Stamper is the former police chief in Seattle.  He’s written a book
about his 34 years on the force, called “Breaking Rank:  Top Cop’s Expose of
the Dark Side of American Policing.”
He joins us now live from New York.
Mr. Stamper, thanks a lot for coming on.
NORM STAMPER, AUTHOR, “BREAKING RANK”:  Thank you.  Thank you very much.
CARLSON:  Now, here’s the part I don’t get.  I am completely for and have
been for a long time decriminalizing most drugs, because then you still have
legal leverage over people who go over the line, who can’t control
themselves right, who abuse drugs, and that isn’t good for society, as you
know.
What’s the argument for legalizing drugs?
STAMPER:  Well, when you consider that this is a war, declared back during
the Nixon administration, that has been prosecuted by seven successive
presidents, and those statistics of the type that you just cited continue to
roll in predictably year after year after year, I think we need to conclude
that the war on drugs has not been successful.
CARLSON:  No, it’s not working.  But why legalization?  Why is that the
answer?
STAMPER:  That’s, I think, the important question.  Legalization would have
the effect of regulating drug trafficking.  It would take drug trafficking
out of the hands of the black market.
It would impose standards.  It would—the reason kids, for example, are able
to score drugs so easily is because dealers don’t card them.
CARLSON:  Right.
STAMPER:  If we were to regulate all drugs, take it off the black market, we
would then see government licensees who don’t want to lose their licenses,
insisting that people be 21 years of age to purchase drugs.
CARLSON:  Well, wait a second.  I mean, you were a cop for more than 30
years.  You know, kids have no problem getting alcohol or getting
cigarettes.
STAMPER:  They have a…
CARLSON:  Isn’t that the problem?  I mean, there would be more drugs if they
were legal.  That’s pretty common sense.  I’ve heard libertarians argue the
opposite, but that’s garbage, and you know it.  There would be more drugs.
STAMPER:  No, I’m going to side with the libertarians on that.
CARLSON:  How does that work?  Once they’re legal, and anyone can get them,
there will be fewer drugs?
STAMPER:  Twenty years old and up…
CARLSON:  Right.
STAMPER:  … those individuals can get drugs under the plan that I would
propose.  The problem today is that kids know that they can score tobacco,
they can score a six pack of beer much more—it’s much more difficult to
purchase tobacco and alcohol than it is to purchase half a lit of marijuana.
CARLSON:  Yes, maybe.  Yes, maybe pot.  But, I mean, still, the arrival kid,
certainly the average middle class kid, literally the average kid in
America, is not exposed to heroin.  He’s just not.  It’s just not
everywhere.
I mean, there are pockets of heroin used in the Pacific Northwest and other
parts of the country, but the average person doesn’t come across heroin very
often.  He comes across beer, because it’s in every convenience store.
So you would all of a sudden have heroin in every neighborhood.  How could
that be good?
STAMPER:  I’m not sure that we would have heroin in every neighborhood.
What I do know is that taking the drugs off the black market would give
government an opportunity to control them and to exercise responsibility
over those licensees so that, if there are any fractions, they can be dealt
with effectively and aggressively.
CARLSON:  But then you have a scenario—I mean, I think you’re partly right.
But then you also have a scenario with a moral cost.  You have government
profiting from the addictions of its citizens.  And that’s an ugly place to
be, isn’t it?
STAMPER:  Well, an even uglier place to be, it seems to me, is to have drug
traffickers monopolizing all the funds that are associated with this illicit
commodity.  The commodity’s not going to go away.  It never has.  It never
will.
So if we want to begin to make sense of the drug scene and government’s
response to drugs, it seems to me logical that we would impose these
standards and enforce them rigorously.
CARLSON:  You’ve gotten—the most controversial line, I thought, in the op-ed
that you wrote summarizing your position on this, you used the phrase
“responsible drug use.”  Few people have the brass, frankly, to come out and
say that.  I completely agree with you.
There can be responsible drug use.  Not everyone becomes a dope fiend after
using dope.  But there are some drugs like heroin where there aren’t really
recreational users of heroin, or not so many.  I mean, it’s physically
addictive after a while.
So what’s the justification for that, heroin?
STAMPER:  Well, so is alcohol to an alcoholic.
CARLSON:  Not to that extent.
STAMPER:  Alcohol, certainly, causes more problems than all other drugs
combined.
CARLSON:  Right.  But a person who has—who drinks beer on 10 successive
nights is not likely to become an alcoholic.  The person who shoots heroin
10 successive days will be addicted to heroin.
STAMPER:  Well, I don’t think somebody who drinks a lot of beer 10
successive nights has probably got drinking problem.
I belong to an organization called LEAP, Law Enforcement Against
Prohibition.  And a growing number of police officers have come to the
realization that they’re just shoving against the tide, that this drug war
has failed.
If we want to make our communities healthier, if we want to make them safer,
and, indeed, if we want to make sure that our children are shielded from
drugs, it’s far better to have those drugs peddled, if you will, by
government licensed agents as opposed to traffickers on the streets.
CARLSON:  All right, Norm Stamper, former chief of police of the city of
Seattle.  Thanks for joining us tonight.
STAMPER:  Thank you.

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Oh WOW!!!! I am a closet fan of Jack Cole!! That is awesome Preston! I bet it did trip you out!! LOL!

I am so proud of and for you! You are seeming to be doing fanfuckingtastic! You should be proud of yourself!
The book of the month is a great honor too! Way to go!

Lots of love and a great big bear hug!
Callie

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 6:41:13 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I should probably read some more replies to this before I type but I can’t cause I want to say this so bad!! lol!

Brenda, I understand sorta what you are saying about people that are still using BUT….
that person still using might say something that you identify with so much it changes you and saves your life or ass.
There is no way I would change a thing about this list!! Even the crazy posts that are so off the wall or subject have something in them for me! They teach me tolerance…..tolerance to listen or read what another person has to say because it is important to them.
I also learn that I do not know everything. A lot of people here I do not understand or do not agree with what they say but we are all alike…..we are all affected by addiction in one way or another. This is our common ground. Whether we are clean, half clean, dirty, sober, drunk, mother or father of addict, friend of addict…..whatever…..we want to learn, we want to experience Ibogaine, we all want to learn to live with less pain.
We all deserve to be hear and to be heard no matter what it is we have to say.
Callie

From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Front door
Date: October 25, 2005 at 5:59:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah, I will go back and check it out and chill out.

I’m just sad that I’m losing my best friend. My boyfriend of 6 years.  We
just got a new kitten.  He built me a fountain and was designing a garden
for me.   I know it’s all for the best, I can’t stand drama so the quicker
I can get through this the better because we don’t seem to be compatible
no matter how much we love each other.

Thanks,

brenda

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 25, 2005 at 5:45:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yes, there is different in the effect of mushrooms,only I have a mix of
all kinds in one tea.
I work with vibes and tunes so there is no normal treatment but a individual
treatment,  some will get more shroom tea and some not at all after the
iboga.

Sara

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc. I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves, where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least two
dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a massage
per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy
cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being a hippy
or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a
therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not where you
live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even
better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with
the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t
want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off
half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does
not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for
psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I
am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills
and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is
a
detox protocol.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 5:09:00 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The purpose of this list is….. well, go see the welcome mat at the front
door of Mindvox. It says it all and says it well.
There are all sorts of people here…. being sometimes about Ibogaine I’m
sure most do want off their daily keeper.
Oh and AHMEN girl.
I just came down 5 mgs yesterday and just had an appt with my very lovely
and supportive social welfare case manager, who knows all about what’s going
on with me, even today told her about Ibogaine… not sure she quite
understood what it’s about but I think I shall educate her because she’s a
cool and compassionate woman.  Far and few between.  It’s nice to know I can
pay the bills until this is over.
But yeh, wasn’t going to come down at all.. cads forgot to cancel the
script! Matt…. quit smiling!!  Lol  Just had a series of hot cold flushes
in the offices of social warfare!! Wasn’t nice, surprised, didn’t think I’d
feel it… (ramble ramble)
So, Don… you too go take a look at the welcome mat.  Anything will turn up
here and usually does.  Take note that you didn’t get the bollocking you
probly should have over your “comments”…….;o)
Ok.
Good
Luff lite lafta an all dat hippy shit.
Kirk [o][o]

—–Original Message—–
From: shakti@photon.net [mailto:shakti@photon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 9:04 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!

Wow.  Welcome to the zoo I guess.   I am just a person addicted to
alcohol.  If he was dead I would have said he was dead.

I joined this list for support while I am waiting to leave for my Ibo
treatment.  If I try to stop cold turkey I get sick.  It causes problems.
Can I get an Amen?

I just have to say, if people on this list are still using and don’t want
to stop then I’m not sure I should stay on this list.  On the other hand,
I’ve met some wonderful people here, too.

Can we just think a bit more before we type?  What is the purpose of this
list?

brenda

Does that mean he is dead?

shakti@photon.net wrote:

PS  I’m OK!  My BF having some post traumatic stress this AM.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night
Date: October 25, 2005 at 4:15:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jack Cole, one of the founders of LEAP, submitted an article to my first book, Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs, explaining why he and so many other law enforcement officers are against the entire idea of a war on some drugs and users. He came to the book release party, which was interesting, having this former sheriff hanging out where I was most definitely doing a lot of pot smoking and shroom eating.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night

Heard this story hyped a bit on the run-ups to The Situation Room on msnbc, but it got buried by the emerging Cheney scandal and the passing of Civil Rights activisit, Rosa Parks.  Don’t know anything about LEAP, but I like that he confesses at the end (Preston!) that “the drug war has failed.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813660/

CARLSON:  Welcome back.
While violent crime may be at historic lows in America, the number of arrests for drug abuse violations has more than quadrupled since 1970.  Last year, more than a million and a half drug-related arrests were made.
My next guest has a solution:  Make drugs legal.  And not just pot and cocaine; he wants to legalize meth and heroin, as well.
Norm Stamper is the former police chief in Seattle.  He’s written a book about his 34 years on the force, called “Breaking Rank:  Top Cop’s Expose of the Dark Side of American Policing.”
He joins us now live from New York.
Mr. Stamper, thanks a lot for coming on.
NORM STAMPER, AUTHOR, “BREAKING RANK”:  Thank you.  Thank you very much.
CARLSON:  Now, here’s the part I don’t get.  I am completely for and have been for a long time decriminalizing most drugs, because then you still have legal leverage over people who go over the line, who can’t control themselves right, who abuse drugs, and that isn’t good for society, as you know.
What’s the argument for legalizing drugs?
STAMPER:  Well, when you consider that this is a war, declared back during the Nixon administration, that has been prosecuted by seven successive presidents, and those statistics of the type that you just cited continue to roll in predictably year after year after year, I think we need to conclude that the war on drugs has not been successful.
CARLSON:  No, it’s not working.  But why legalization?  Why is that the answer?
STAMPER:  That’s, I think, the important question.  Legalization would have the effect of regulating drug trafficking.  It would take drug trafficking out of the hands of the black market.
It would impose standards.  It would—the reason kids, for example, are able to score drugs so easily is because dealers don’t card them.
CARLSON:  Right.
STAMPER:  If we were to regulate all drugs, take it off the black market, we would then see government licensees who don’t want to lose their licenses, insisting that people be 21 years of age to purchase drugs.
CARLSON:  Well, wait a second.  I mean, you were a cop for more than 30 years.  You know, kids have no problem getting alcohol or getting cigarettes.
STAMPER:  They have a…
CARLSON:  Isn’t that the problem?  I mean, there would be more drugs if they were legal.  That’s pretty common sense.  I’ve heard libertarians argue the opposite, but that’s garbage, and you know it.  There would be more drugs.
STAMPER:  No, I’m going to side with the libertarians on that.
CARLSON:  How does that work?  Once they’re legal, and anyone can get them, there will be fewer drugs?
STAMPER:  Twenty years old and up…
CARLSON:  Right.
STAMPER:  … those individuals can get drugs under the plan that I would propose.  The problem today is that kids know that they can score tobacco, they can score a six pack of beer much more—it’s much more difficult to purchase tobacco and alcohol than it is to purchase half a lit of marijuana.
CARLSON:  Yes, maybe.  Yes, maybe pot.  But, I mean, still, the arrival kid, certainly the average middle class kid, literally the average kid in America, is not exposed to heroin.  He’s just not.  It’s just not everywhere.
I mean, there are pockets of heroin used in the Pacific Northwest and other parts of the country, but the average person doesn’t come across heroin very often.  He comes across beer, because it’s in every convenience store.
So you would all of a sudden have heroin in every neighborhood.  How could that be good?
STAMPER:  I’m not sure that we would have heroin in every neighborhood. What I do know is that taking the drugs off the black market would give government an opportunity to control them and to exercise responsibility over those licensees so that, if there are any fractions, they can be dealt with effectively and aggressively.
CARLSON:  But then you have a scenario—I mean, I think you’re partly right. But then you also have a scenario with a moral cost.  You have government profiting from the addictions of its citizens.  And that’s an ugly place to be, isn’t it?
STAMPER:  Well, an even uglier place to be, it seems to me, is to have drug traffickers monopolizing all the funds that are associated with this illicit commodity.  The commodity’s not going to go away.  It never has.  It never will.
So if we want to begin to make sense of the drug scene and government’s response to drugs, it seems to me logical that we would impose these standards and enforce them rigorously.
CARLSON:  You’ve gotten—the most controversial line, I thought, in the op-ed that you wrote summarizing your position on this, you used the phrase “responsible drug use.”  Few people have the brass, frankly, to come out and say that.  I completely agree with you.
There can be responsible drug use.  Not everyone becomes a dope fiend after using dope.  But there are some drugs like heroin where there aren’t really recreational users of heroin, or not so many.  I mean, it’s physically addictive after a while.
So what’s the justification for that, heroin?
STAMPER:  Well, so is alcohol to an alcoholic.
CARLSON:  Not to that extent.
STAMPER:  Alcohol, certainly, causes more problems than all other drugs combined.
CARLSON:  Right.  But a person who has—who drinks beer on 10 successive nights is not likely to become an alcoholic.  The person who shoots heroin 10 successive days will be addicted to heroin.
STAMPER:  Well, I don’t think somebody who drinks a lot of beer 10 successive nights has probably got drinking problem.
I belong to an organization called LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.  And a growing number of police officers have come to the realization that they’re just shoving against the tide, that this drug war has failed.
If we want to make our communities healthier, if we want to make them safer, and, indeed, if we want to make sure that our children are shielded from drugs, it’s far better to have those drugs peddled, if you will, by government licensed agents as opposed to traffickers on the streets.
CARLSON:  All right, Norm Stamper, former chief of police of the city of Seattle.  Thanks for joining us tonight.
STAMPER:  Thank you.

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 4:14:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear, I was joking, I thot you might have killed him because he said it was over, LOL!!
Can we just think a bit more before we type?

shakti@photon.net wrote:
Wow. Welcome to the zoo I guess. I am just a person addicted to
alcohol. If he was dead I would have said he was dead.

I joined this list for support while I am waiting to leave for my Ibo
treatment. If I try to stop cold turkey I get sick. It causes problems.
Can I get an Amen?

I just have to say, if people on this list are still using and don’t want
to stop then I’m not sure I should stay on this list. On the other hand,
I’ve met some wonderful people here, too.

Can we just think a bit more before we type? What is the purpose of this
list?

brenda

Does that mean he is dead?

shakti@photon.net wrote:

PS I’m OK! My BF having some post traumatic stress this AM.

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 4:03:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow.  Welcome to the zoo I guess.   I am just a person addicted to
alcohol.  If he was dead I would have said he was dead.

I joined this list for support while I am waiting to leave for my Ibo
treatment.  If I try to stop cold turkey I get sick.  It causes problems.
Can I get an Amen?

I just have to say, if people on this list are still using and don’t want
to stop then I’m not sure I should stay on this list.  On the other hand,
I’ve met some wonderful people here, too.

Can we just think a bit more before we type?  What is the purpose of this
list?

brenda

Does that mean he is dead?

shakti@photon.net wrote:

PS  I’m OK!  My BF having some post traumatic stress this AM.

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT
Date: October 25, 2005 at 3:54:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LMAO!! Ron is an OK guy, a little wierd, but OK in my book. He kinda comes in waves, hell, he even helped me overcome one of MY anger issues with this list. I just don’t think getting so far off topic is beneficial to anybody. He gave me a wakeup call, was just returning the favor, that’s all.

Eye of the Bhogi wrote:
Dear Don,

As you may be able to tell from the list chatter, anytime Ron gets smacked by any listmember, it tends to set off a cycle of whining that is even more unbearable.  My sense after a year + here is that most people just avoid trying to set him off.  Even privately telling him he’s posting in an annoying fashion can lash back onto the list.  It’s a predictable cycle.

Welcome to the zoo.  And good luck in your healing process.  Where do you live?

Rachel

On 10/25/05, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:
Ron, you’re not really adding anyting to the group, we all got chairs here, Yours blanks out at times.

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 3:24:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does that mean he is dead?

shakti@photon.net wrote:

PS  I’m OK!  My BF having some post traumatic stress this AM.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Top Suspect in Drug Ring Is Extradited to the U.S.
Date: October 25, 2005 at 3:04:33 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Top Suspect in Drug Ring Is Extradited to the U.S.

(Oct. 25, 2005-Free NYTimes registration required)
“An Afghan identified as one of the world’s most wanted drug kingpins, who
has been linked to the Taliban and once boasted that selling heroin to Americans
was a form of jihad, has been extradited from Afghanistan to face drug smuggling
and other charges, federal officials in New York announced yesterday.”

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Oct. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 3:03:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Matt,

It’s the physical withdrawl symptoms I could not bear.  I can’t go through
it – it’s inhumane.  I have to be kind

It was so weird being drunk at work this AM.  But, everyone was telling me
I had such a nice smile on my face, I don’t have any anxiety and I felt
like – well, OK, I just got insurance last week after gosh, 3 years?  I’ll
find a doctor whatever to help n=me through this period.

I;m listening to ‘Crown of Life’ now…

brenda

PS  I’m OK!  My BF having some post traumatic stress this AM.

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:57:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oh shit.

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:56:51 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Don,

As you may be able to tell from the list chatter, anytime Ron gets smacked by any listmember, it tends to set off a cycle of whining that is even more unbearable.  My sense after a year + here is that most people just avoid trying to set him off.  Even privately telling him he’s posting in an annoying fashion can lash back onto the list.  It’s a predictable cycle.

Welcome to the zoo.  And good luck in your healing process.  Where do you live?

Rachel

On 10/25/05, Don Patton <SuperBee@tstar.net> wrote:
Ron, you’re not really adding anyting to the group, we all got chairs here, Yours blanks out at times.

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please! from ron to brenda
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:23:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No sworn enemy here, just if You are gonna publish crap about MY beliefs, I’m gonna call you on it. YOU made this political, not me, and this room has enough problems.

Anyways, nice to see a post from you above moronic, I must have jarred SOMETHING!!!

Love ya dood
Bee

Ron Davis wrote:

i could rattle on about aa..no drinks in 25 yrs, living comfortably w/o it..nothing hip or tragically kool to it.  wish i could nip this other bugger the same way.  normal is great for the 15 yrs. i had it…totally straight from everything.  then i boo-booed big time and went to HELL.  this forum tolerates me , barely, so it can’t be all bad unless you are my sworn enemy as Don appears to be.

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:13:50 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

mmmmmmmmmm?    Brain?    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? gender?   mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Howard

In a message dated 10/25/05 2:06:59 PM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

Howard:
Bro you have a flair for asthetics that many in your field lack.  Er, what part of the brain are you thinking out of?  Just curious, know your gender or do we?    Thanks for the link, ron

—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:49 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography

Came across a page with stop motion photography that reminded me somewhat of some visualization in keeping with ibogaine visual experiences….just one slide in the film but maybe some of you have had a similarity of image forms.

http://www.liquidsculpture.com/index.htm

Howard

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:09:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh well done Matt :o)
Um, Wot he said.
But, all else I wanna do right now is send you huge kirky hugs, we’re all here for ya.
((((BRENDA)))))
Kia Kaha (stay strong)  you’re nearly there….
From: matthew zielinski [mailto:mattzielinski@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 6:17 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] help please!

pls be carefull !!
remeber EVERYTHING happens for a reason..ask the right question and u WILL find the answer
…..trust me i know its hard to think in those catergories when u depresed but in the end it will make sense
look back at everythign that happend in ur life…….think about the most depresing situations……didnt they have a greter meaning…….
of course for some of us they will end tragicaly but in the end its all part of the plan we create/created for 1.000.000 of reasons
oh what am i saying u into seth so come on…..create a differnet belief RIGHT NOW!!! AND THATS AN ORDER MISSY!!
ive been dealing wiht some rough shit in my personal life too thiese past weeks but have to stay focused……AND SO MUST U!!!
pls be safe and wish u lots of strenght and peace
with love
matt

From: shakti@photon.net
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:42:14 -0700 (PDT)
my BF told me this morning on the way to work it’s over.

i hate drama and i had to get myself a fix (alcohol) and prepare for the
day to not go through withdrawls again.

i just want things to be normal.

i am going to go to get a doc appt today.

I did not do ANYTHING! I went into my studio and got drunk. i did not
even talk to him.

Gosh, i can’t wait until this is over. It’s 9:38 am and I smashed. This
sucks. but, withdrawls sucks more.

brenda


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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:06:41 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Howard:
Bro you have a flair for asthetics that many in your field lack.  Er, what part of the brain are you thinking out of?  Just curious, know your gender or do we?    Thanks for the link, ron
—– Original Message —–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:49 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography

Came across a page with stop motion photography that reminded me somewhat of some visualization in keeping with ibogaine visual experiences….just one slide in the film but maybe some of you have had a similarity of image forms.

http://www.liquidsculpture.com/index.htm

Howard

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db error email
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:05:33 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL, geez, I should know better than to reply before reading more emails!!!  Know that feeling bro!!!
… waiting for those damn emails…..
I know, I know, junk em,,, I do, but the fact that everyone else gets em too really bums me out… and having to explain constantly isn’t fun!! Ohhhh the guilt the guilt!!!! ;o)
Must be someone I can contact……
Universe, send me the contact!!!
Cheers!

From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:matt@itsupport.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 4:18 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db error email

Doh!  Wrong again.  You’d think I would get used to being wrong it happens so often…
From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:matt@itsupport.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:55 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db error email

Looks like it took care of itself.  I haven’t seen a bounceback from my last post yet.
Matt
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:11 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] db error email

Thought I would have another crack at Concept mail. What a surprise, the website simply says “GONE” and nothing else.
What do I do now? Patrick?

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db error email
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:03:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Testing testing…… une deux trois!
From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:matt@itsupport.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 2:55 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db error email

Looks like it took care of itself.  I haven’t seen a bounceback from my last post yet.
Matt
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:11 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] db error email

Thought I would have another crack at Concept mail. What a surprise, the website simply says “GONE” and nothing else.
What do I do now? Patrick?

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Earth to Patrick
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:54:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

THERE ARE, NOT ME, BUT I KNOW A FEW, RON  SCHMOOLY, YOU OK?  MY PROVIDER? YOU ALRIGHT AS WELL?
—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:44 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Earth to Patrick

You alive?

Hope you swim well, Miami had its biggest hurricane in 15 years, out of
4 million in the city 3.2 million have no power, 10 million in south
florida have no power. Don’t die superfreak, the world needs Darth
Vader on Acid 🙂

Anybody out there from south Florida?

.:vector:.

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] help please! from ron to brenda
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:51:46 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i could rattle on about aa..no drinks in 25 yrs, living comfortably w/o it..nothing hip or tragically kool to it.  wish i could nip this other bugger the same way.  normal is great for the 15 yrs. i had it…totally straight from everything.  then i boo-booed big time and went to HELL.  this forum tolerates me , barely, so it can’t be all bad unless you are my sworn enemy as Don appears to be. I have met some extraordinary people that have gone out of their way to help me.  no freebies,  these guys risk a lot.  met a benevolent MD that surprised the boxers right off me.  hope he faired well with Wilma.  if my money was right < I’d fly to see him every week.  but it ain’t.  so it’s brinksmanship in its highest form.. Thanks to all who tolerate me and particularly those that made REAL efforts to help me. I’m a smart ass, with no room for such… and so it goes.. i welcome all who wish to contact me off list(never any takers(  wonder why?)  LOL to coin a phrase by me Cap’n. ron.

Hey, noticed how I made this about me?  KOOOL.  Me old sponsor from de roomz uze to say SELF DECEPTION WAS THE BIGGEST SYMPTOM OF ADDICTION…USING IS THE ONE THAT KILLZ YA, BUT SELF DECEPTION IS THE ONE THAT KEEPS YA SICK.. WTFDI NO? HE WAS A PATHOLOGIST THAT DRANK AND SHOT HIS WAY TO SKID ROW AND THEN SPENT 25 YRS. HELPING SCHMUCKS LIKE ME AFTER HE GOT SOBER AND HIS LICENSE BACK.  HE DIED BROKE 10 YRS. AGO BUT THE ROOMS STILL TALK ABOUT HIM AROUND HERE IN QUIET REVERENCE. HE WOULDN’T LIKE THAT CUZ HE WAS IRREVERENT IN A LARGE WAY.
—– Original Message —– From: <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:42 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] help please!

my BF told me this morning on the way to work it’s over.

i hate drama and i had to get myself a fix (alcohol) and prepare for the
day to not go through withdrawls again.

i just want things to be normal.

i am going to go to get a doc appt today.

I did not do ANYTHING!  I went into my studio and got drunk.  i did not
even talk to him.

Gosh, i can’t wait until this is over.  It’s 9:38 am and I smashed.  This
sucks.  but, withdrawls sucks more.

brenda

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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Earth to Patrick
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:44:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You alive?

Hope you swim well, Miami had its biggest hurricane in 15 years, out of
4 million in the city 3.2 million have no power, 10 million in south
florida have no power. Don’t die superfreak, the world needs Darth
Vader on Acid 🙂

Anybody out there from south Florida?

.:vector:.

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Law Enforcement Against Prohibition on Tucker Carlson last night
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:23:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heard this story hyped a bit on the run-ups to The Situation Room on msnbc, but it got buried by the emerging Cheney scandal and the passing of Civil Rights activisit, Rosa Parks.  Don’t know anything about LEAP, but I like that he confesses at the end (Preston!) that “the drug war has failed.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9813660/

CARLSON:  Welcome back.
While violent crime may be at historic lows in America, the number of arrests for drug abuse violations has more than quadrupled since 1970.  Last year, more than a million and a half drug-related arrests were made.
My next guest has a solution:  Make drugs legal.  And not just pot and cocaine; he wants to legalize meth and heroin, as well.
Norm Stamper is the former police chief in Seattle.  He’s written a book about his 34 years on the force, called “Breaking Rank:  Top Cop’s Expose of the Dark Side of American Policing.”
He joins us now live from New York.
Mr. Stamper, thanks a lot for coming on.
NORM STAMPER, AUTHOR, “BREAKING RANK”:  Thank you.  Thank you very much.
CARLSON:  Now, here’s the part I don’t get.  I am completely for and have been for a long time decriminalizing most drugs, because then you still have legal leverage over people who go over the line, who can’t control themselves right, who abuse drugs, and that isn’t good for society, as you know.
What’s the argument for legalizing drugs?
STAMPER:  Well, when you consider that this is a war, declared back during the Nixon administration, that has been prosecuted by seven successive presidents, and those statistics of the type that you just cited continue to roll in predictably year after year after year, I think we need to conclude that the war on drugs has not been successful.
CARLSON:  No, it’s not working.  But why legalization?  Why is that the answer?
STAMPER:  That’s, I think, the important question.  Legalization would have the effect of regulating drug trafficking.  It would take drug trafficking out of the hands of the black market.
It would impose standards.  It would—the reason kids, for example, are able to score drugs so easily is because dealers don’t card them.
CARLSON:  Right.
STAMPER:  If we were to regulate all drugs, take it off the black market, we would then see government licensees who don’t want to lose their licenses, insisting that people be 21 years of age to purchase drugs.
CARLSON:  Well, wait a second.  I mean, you were a cop for more than 30 years.  You know, kids have no problem getting alcohol or getting cigarettes.
STAMPER:  They have a…
CARLSON:  Isn’t that the problem?  I mean, there would be more drugs if they were legal.  That’s pretty common sense.  I’ve heard libertarians argue the opposite, but that’s garbage, and you know it.  There would be more drugs.
STAMPER:  No, I’m going to side with the libertarians on that.
CARLSON:  How does that work?  Once they’re legal, and anyone can get them, there will be fewer drugs?
STAMPER:  Twenty years old and up…
CARLSON:  Right.
STAMPER:  … those individuals can get drugs under the plan that I would propose.  The problem today is that kids know that they can score tobacco, they can score a six pack of beer much more—it’s much more difficult to purchase tobacco and alcohol than it is to purchase half a lit of marijuana.
CARLSON:  Yes, maybe.  Yes, maybe pot.  But, I mean, still, the arrival kid, certainly the average middle class kid, literally the average kid in America, is not exposed to heroin.  He’s just not.  It’s just not everywhere.
I mean, there are pockets of heroin used in the Pacific Northwest and other parts of the country, but the average person doesn’t come across heroin very often.  He comes across beer, because it’s in every convenience store.
So you would all of a sudden have heroin in every neighborhood.  How could that be good?
STAMPER:  I’m not sure that we would have heroin in every neighborhood.  What I do know is that taking the drugs off the black market would give government an opportunity to control them and to exercise responsibility over those licensees so that, if there are any fractions, they can be dealt with effectively and aggressively.
CARLSON:  But then you have a scenario—I mean, I think you’re partly right.  But then you also have a scenario with a moral cost.  You have government profiting from the addictions of its citizens.  And that’s an ugly place to be, isn’t it?
STAMPER:  Well, an even uglier place to be, it seems to me, is to have drug traffickers monopolizing all the funds that are associated with this illicit commodity.  The commodity’s not going to go away.  It never has.  It never will.
So if we want to begin to make sense of the drug scene and government’s response to drugs, it seems to me logical that we would impose these standards and enforce them rigorously.
CARLSON:  You’ve gotten—the most controversial line, I thought, in the op-ed that you wrote summarizing your position on this, you used the phrase “responsible drug use.”  Few people have the brass, frankly, to come out and say that.  I completely agree with you.
There can be responsible drug use.  Not everyone becomes a dope fiend after using dope.  But there are some drugs like heroin where there aren’t really recreational users of heroin, or not so many.  I mean, it’s physically addictive after a while.
So what’s the justification for that, heroin?
STAMPER:  Well, so is alcohol to an alcoholic.
CARLSON:  Not to that extent.
STAMPER:  Alcohol, certainly, causes more problems than all other drugs combined.
CARLSON:  Right.  But a person who has—who drinks beer on 10 successive nights is not likely to become an alcoholic.  The person who shoots heroin 10 successive days will be addicted to heroin.
STAMPER:  Well, I don’t think somebody who drinks a lot of beer 10 successive nights has probably got drinking problem.
I belong to an organization called LEAP, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition.  And a growing number of police officers have come to the realization that they’re just shoving against the tide, that this drug war has failed.
If we want to make our communities healthier, if we want to make them safer, and, indeed, if we want to make sure that our children are shielded from drugs, it’s far better to have those drugs peddled, if you will, by government licensed agents as opposed to traffickers on the streets.
CARLSON:  All right, Norm Stamper, former chief of police of the city of Seattle.  Thanks for joining us tonight.
STAMPER:  Thank you.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: 2Re: [Ibogaine]assurances it will not happen again to the Cap’n(ot)
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:23:31 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it bounced on my end! sorry for the redundancy..don’s got me squared away  .  please contact me off list, not  a 15000 mile c’mon but would like to share something with you that can’t be done with new members lurking.  thanks if you do.  ron—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again

Ron, you are repeating yourself again………
You already posted this…….lay off the gear man!!!
Lol
Luff lite n lafta
Kirk :o)
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 5:24 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again

—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again

Thank you for your understanding and you don’t have to be gentle if I screwed the pooch again. ron, hopefully w/o regrets
Hi! 

I’m writing to ask you to join me in writing a short note to our representatives before an important vote on Thursday.

The House of Representatives will be voting on a Republican amendment to the budget proposal that would slash funding for basic health, nutrional and educational services for the poor, while giving away huge tax breaks for the very wealthy. 

You can write a short letter to your representative and deliver it online just by going here:

http://www.political.moveon.org/budget

Thanks!

p.s. The original alert I got from MoveOn is available at http://political.moveon.org/budget/alert.html – it has more information about these cuts.

From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:17:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

pls be carefull !!
remeber EVERYTHING happens for a reason..ask the right question and u WILL find the answer
…..trust me i know its hard to think in those catergories when u depresed but in the end it will make sense
look back at everythign that happend in ur life…….think about the most depresing situations……didnt they have a greter meaning…….
of course for some of us they will end tragicaly but in the end its all part of the plan we create/created for 1.000.000 of reasons
oh what am i saying u into seth so come on…..create a differnet belief RIGHT NOW!!! AND THATS AN ORDER MISSY!!
ive been dealing wiht some rough shit in my personal life too thiese past weeks but have to stay focused……AND SO MUST U!!!
pls be safe and wish u lots of strenght and peace
with love
matt

 

From: shakti@photon.net
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:42:14 -0700 (PDT)
my BF told me this morning on the way to work it’s over.

i hate drama and i had to get myself a fix (alcohol) and prepare for the
day to not go through withdrawls again.

i just want things to be normal.

i am going to go to get a doc appt today.

I did not do ANYTHING! I went into my studio and got drunk. i did not
even talk to him.

Gosh, i can’t wait until this is over. It’s 9:38 am and I smashed. This
sucks. but, withdrawls sucks more.

brenda

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] For DON ot
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:07:39 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don:Just highlighted some of your noteworthy points you make.  hope the emphasis stresses the important parts of your message.  Quite poignant I might say.  Carry on and welcome to Nirvana where all are accepted.  koko
—– Original Message —–
From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine]

Im a republican

I want health for Americans, jus no nutrition, Retards and niggers ain’t wastin money on, WHATEVAH GEORGE BOOSH WANTS!!

 

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw:o OT to Don from ron
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:56:13 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I guess my attempts at humor  are lost on many, you being one. I received at least one positive email on list that was opposite yours from a fellow who’s  traveled this path  much further than either of us.  Perhaps you should not read my posts cause I’m not stopping because you don’t like it. It’s black humor, some can’t fathom it any more than they can sarcasm. Sorry you’re offended,  good that you feel comfortable in such a short period at taking a shot at me.  I like that. Rigidity,  good for sobriety.  Hip is tolerance, hope you find it and the other things you seek.  I suffer as well, be glad to go one on one w/ you off list. We may share a  commonality that has slipped past you.  Vaya con Dios mi amigo in your quest. ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Don Patton
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT

Ron, you’re not really adding anyting to the group, we all got chairs here, Yours blanks out at times.

Ron Davis wrote:
primitive for all who read or watch, koko. safe to open if space allows.
—– Original Message —–

To: <
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:35 AM
Subject: Stick People

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] help please!
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:42:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

my BF told me this morning on the way to work it’s over.

i hate drama and i had to get myself a fix (alcohol) and prepare for the
day to not go through withdrawls again.

i just want things to be normal.

i am going to go to get a doc appt today.

I did not do ANYTHING!  I went into my studio and got drunk.  i did not
even talk to him.

Gosh, i can’t wait until this is over.  It’s 9:38 am and I smashed.  This
sucks.  but, withdrawls sucks more.

brenda

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:10:14 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and i was CRUCIFIED FOR THE SAME THING.  EQUAL PROTECTION GUYS,   WHIMPER, RON
—– Original Message —–
From: Matthew Shriver
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography

I think we may have temporarily blown up the poor guy’s website:
Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.

Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.liquidsculpture.com Port 80

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:49 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography

Came across a page with stop motion photography that reminded me somewhat of some visualization in keeping with ibogaine visual experiences….just one slide in the film but maybe some of you have had a similarity of image forms.

http://www.liquidsculpture.com/index.htm

Howard

From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db error email
Date: October 25, 2005 at 11:18:04 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Doh!  Wrong again.  You’d think I would get used to being wrong it happens so often…
From: Matthew Shriver [mailto:matt@itsupport.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 7:55 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db error email

Looks like it took care of itself.  I haven’t seen a bounceback from my last post yet.
Matt
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:11 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] db error email

Thought I would have another crack at Concept mail. What a surprise, the website simply says “GONE” and nothing else.
What do I do now? Patrick?

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 25, 2005 at 10:56:36 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Haaa that pic still cracks me up….. specially Robo-T in the Space Cadet tshirt looking like a space cadet..<

The funniest part of that is that of the whole band, only Robo-T doesn’t smoke, yet he looks more like he does than any of the others.
And all the girls I know who see that photo wanna make babies with him too.

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Oct. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “jon” <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

Capt Kirk wrote:
Haaa that pic still cracks me up….. specially Robo-T in the Space Cadet tshirt looking like a space cadet..

Ok here’s my ugly mug then………view with caution…….

ugly mug my eye. =P you’re a pretty one.

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From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] db error email
Date: October 25, 2005 at 9:55:08 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Looks like it took care of itself.  I haven’t seen a bounceback from my last post yet.
Matt
From: Capt Kirk [mailto:captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:11 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] db error email

Thought I would have another crack at Concept mail. What a surprise, the website simply says “GONE” and nothing else.
What do I do now? Patrick?

From: “Matthew Shriver” <matt@itsupport.net>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography
Date: October 25, 2005 at 9:41:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I think we may have temporarily blown up the poor guy’s website:
Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.

Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.liquidsculpture.com Port 80

From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:49 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography

Came across a page with stop motion photography that reminded me somewhat of some visualization in keeping with ibogaine visual experiences….just one slide in the film but maybe some of you have had a similarity of image forms.

http://www.liquidsculpture.com/index.htm

Howard

From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 25, 2005 at 7:55:11 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Sara,
I had some Mexican mushrooms last week.  There were
just 2 in the box fresh not dried so they were about 4 inches long and
hard to weigh on the little scales I have. I shared them with my
friend.  I think I took a little more that my friend and was tripping
a little later in the evening, patterns and images on walls etc. I
felt a bit uncomfortable for a little while but went for a walk which
was quite pleasant.

By the way is there any difference in the effects of those type of
mushrooms from different places?  From what I’ve read they all contain
the same chemical psylocibin but the guys in the shop said the
truffles were less visual and the Thai mushrooms when in waves, where
it would be intense then mild back to intense.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/24/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:
Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least two dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a massage per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being a hippy or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not where you live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is a
detox protocol.

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From: Lee Albert <my-eboga@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Iboga Cures in Bwiti Tradition in Europe & Eboga Retreats in the South of Spain
Date: October 25, 2005 at 5:49:10 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Sean,

It was very nice to talk to you on the phone.

As per our conversation I will post info on my website re: the structure, cost etc of this weekend and I look forward to being an observer at your next Iboga Cures to be held in Montpelier. When this info is ready I will inform the list of the page details.

In keeping with the same vein I am now considering one on one (or one on two – couples), weekend eboga retreats in my home (in the south of Spain) where I will endevour to share what I can re: eboga and its healing mechanisms to raise awareness of the healing power of eboga and to offer support to those who seek it (while of course taking care of my own earthly needs in as reasonable a manner as possible.) When I have worked out the details I will also post them to the website and to the list. The doses involved will be of the order of 6 mg/kg. The participants will require a clean bill of health or previous initiation.

As I explained over the phone I invite you and anyone else who may take this Bwiti cure to join the eboga list (details at bottom of email) which is specifically set up for those who work with eboga as part of their overall wish for personal transformation.

The list, while low in numbers, is evolving and I can see various strands emerging which is very exciting and wonderful. Your input and others associated with you will be most welcome.

“If the hat fits wear it.”

Lee

Sean Hamman <paganlovejuice@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Folks
Slightly diiferent angle but in the same vein. We are conducting Iboga Cures in the Bwiti tradition. The work we are doing is based on the Initiations which take place in Gabon, the difference being that the ‘Cure’ is a healing work with the dosage and  levels of toxicity being  lower than in Gabon.

I am working with a homeopathic doctor and a shaman from Gabon. The Cure, set by your intention is in three parts; Death, Access to the land of your ancestors and Rebirth. It takes place over a period of three days.

We take eleven Curists on for each work with sometimes up to 40 people in the room holding the energy and assisting. The whole focus on the work is on the healing of the Curist(s).

Taking a Cure is very much about developing a relationship with the spirit of Iboga, its a relationship that continues long after your Cure. I wont go into the ins and outs of the Iboga experience as I’m sure you are all familiar with the material. Should you have any questions do get in touch.

Up until recently and for the past three years the Works have been conducted every fortnight in France. Next month in November we will be doing our first in the UK, with our pygmy teacher flying out from Gabon to conduct the Cure. Up until now the Cure has been by word of mouth, the decision from Gabon is that we are to open this work and spread it globally.

We still have a few spaces open for the November Iboga Cure should any of you be interested. The dates being the 18 – 20 November. After that the Iboga Cures will continue in France, 50 km north of Montpellier. The cost of the Cure is 500 euros, of which an £80 deposit is paid upfront to secure your place. Transport costs are covered by the Curists themselves.

I’ll be happy to answer any questions or enquiries you may have. I’m contactable through this email address or on 07800 583136.

Nice one, Sean

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From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Witnessing/Awareness
Date: October 25, 2005 at 4:59:25 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m sitting back tonight listening to music I’ve written/produced – and I only did it because I loved soul music and house music – then I’m like I ACTUALLY LEARNED HOW TO BECAUSE I WANTED TO THEN I DID!

I’ll have to post some pix of when I was 15, drug free, completely sober and covering Queensryke (sp?) songs. Quit high school.   Running my own little music biz with no parents but amazing sense of self-control.

Wow.

Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Relax
Date: October 25, 2005 at 3:13:19 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Oh, I meant to send this just to Preston.  But I LOVED the Leonard Cohen link to that song was sent to the list in my honor I want to share some of the music, most of it that I wrote, to anyone that is uplifted by certain types of music.

I write house, trance and down-tempo classical with violin – in honor of my good friend Phil Walker who died in February of Tuberculosis – never took a drug in his life – a devout buddhist – contracted it after an operation 15 years ago from a blood transfusion.  Electric violinist.  We wrote music together.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Relax
Date: October 25, 2005 at 3:01:26 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Pres,

Do you like dance music at all?  I have a remix if a track my brother and I covered –  “I Was Made For Lovin’ You” by KISS.  Our father was a baptist minister and KISS was from the devil – ha ha ha ha!  My brother is a club-dance music producer.  Mostly gay kinda stuff.  Trance.

But,  if you can receive a medium sized file I think you may enjoy this remix of our song from a remix artist in London – I will send it to you or make other arrangements to get it to you if that is not agreeable.

Warmly.

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals
650-906-2543

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino  exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT
Date: October 25, 2005 at 2:22:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/25/05 12:03:14 AM, rwd3@cox.net writes:

primitive for all who read or watch, koko. safe to open if space allows.
—– Original Message —–
>
To: <
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:35 AM
Subject: Stick People

Nice,

Thanks

Howard

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:57:15 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Nice!   my boyfriend who was a science major (‘im a high school dropout- woo
hoo!) was telling me something about a famous bullet in the apple stop
motion project.

I’m gonna try to find it now.

brenda

On 10/24/05 10:49 PM, “HSLotsof@aol.com” <HSLotsof@aol.com> wrote:

Came across a page with stop motion photography that reminded me somewhat of
some visualization in keeping with ibogaine visual experiences….just one
slide in the film but maybe some of you have had a similarity of image forms.

http://www.liquidsculpture.com/index.htm

Howard


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] stop motion photography
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:49:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Came across a page with stop motion photography that reminded me somewhat of some visualization in keeping with ibogaine visual experiences….just one slide in the film but maybe some of you have had a similarity of image forms.

http://www.liquidsculpture.com/index.htm

Howard

From: brenda brewer <shakti@photon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Jayand Don
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:26:32 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi,

Maybe I got lost on this conversation but I don’t really understand what you are trying to say.  Where are you?  You had the money to pay over $5000.00 to get Ibo treatment?

I am not paying that much but after I found out about it – I swear to God I thought to myself – I’ll fuckin’ sell my ass to get the money if I have to.  It’s not that hard, I’ve done it before to get me through times I couldn’t work because I was drunk 24 hours a day.  Again, I didn’t have to live on the streets, real easy to meet men in the Bay Area who will pay, are actually really nice people most of the time.

What exactly do you mean by “you are clear?”  What are you trying to say?  Are you trying to help or what exactly is your message your are trying to convey in this message?  You are posting to a whole list of people and for the most part, I think we are all here to support each other.  I’m only trying to understand what you are talking about.

brenda

On 10/24/05 9:48 PM, “Don Patton” <SuperBee@Tstar.net> wrote:

> Jay, I just wanna say, you are clear.
>
>   Think I been here about a month. These rooms seem to cater to serious
> addicts that can spend $5000 to $20,000 for treatment of a $500 gram of
> Ibogaine HCL, plus transportation into and out of the country, to those in the
> USA and Brazil, where it is illegal. Nobody has ever contacted me about the
> purchase, OR shipping to the USA
>
> Now that gives me pause
>
> Druggies that are afraid to break the law..NOBODY offers to ship, or contact.
> Just great “stories” I went here, I went there, I was spending $800 a week on
> a habit, but I fixed it for 12 grand. YEAH, If you CAN! Show me a druggie that
> has 5 grand. This is ludricous
>
> Yeah, I could sell that scam
>
> Once again, I will offer, If ANY DEA or FBI will sell me a gram of Ibocaine,
> you get the collar, I need a vacation, will plead guilty. I believe this
> heavenly in that..
> OR we could give it to the U.K.
>
> brenda brewer wrote:
>>  To Jay  Dear Jay,
>>
>> I’ve never done herion or methadone but I’m seriously addicted to alcohol.
>> It’s legal and cheap and has made me very ill if I try to stop.  I’m going to
>> a session very soon, I will be planning for aftercare with some type of
>> transpersonal psychologist (yes, I do live in the SF Bay area)  so if you
>> want
>> to keep in touch I’ll let you know how it’s going.  I will stay in touch with
>> the group.
>>
>> On a sub-related note, one of my therapists a in Lake Oswego OR a few years
>> back said he was astonished, because of my history, that I had not become a
>> needle junkie to numb the pain.  I understand pain and addiction.  I also
>> have
>> had the most amazing “other” type experiences while completely sober through
>> intention and meditation.  It’s hard to meditate with a hangover (although
>> sometimes I do at work after noon when I’m starting to feel a little better)
>> that I KNOW that the experience I am about to step into is a first step into
>> a
>> new lifestyle.
>>
>> The thing for me is that –
>>
>>
>> 1. I don’tdeal with shady dealers
>> 2. I’m goodlooking and have a nice personality and seem very normal to most
>> people
>> 3. I’mtalented and on the verge of exploding on the music scene
>> 4.
>>
>> But, nothing has helped me stop drinking since I was about 12.  I’ve learned
>> to manage it kind of like how I perceive the herion addicts go on by using
>> methadone, have jobs and white knuckle their way through life.  Believe me,
>> I’ve tried to quit and my boyfriend was there with my for 3 days with cold
>> washcloths, ice, blankets – he didn’t know what the fuck to do (I never say
>> that – unless I wanna get fucked).
>>
>> So, some days miso soup gets me through and I don’t have many symptoms.  Some
>> days, all the sudden the creepy crawlies will come back, I’m having an
>> anxiety
>> attack and unless I can get my hands on some valium QUICK which I can’t – I
>> have to go visit my friendly liquor store proprietor to get my fix.  Then I
>> feel better.  Then it starts all over again.
>>
>> So, I want to say, hang in there.  You have access to a computer so it could
>> be much worse.  I’m not paying any rent this month to go to my session
>> because
>> my BF , who broke up with me because of my drinking, wants me to get better.
>> I have a job and when I get back I have health insurance to help pay for my
>> aftercare.  I WILL  NOT go to any 12-step meetings.  Just ain’t for me.
>>
>> Make a decision, sweetie.  I went back to work after a year and a half of
>> being drunk constantly.  Just make the decision and ask God, higher beings,
>> or
>> your big toe to work it out.  It WILL happen for you if you believe you
>> deserve it.
>>
>> Love,
>>
>> brenda
>>
>>
>> —
>> Shakti
>> Vocalist/Lyricist
>> House, Soul, Background vocals
>>
>
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House, Soul, Background vocals
650-906-2543

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:13:28 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron, you’re not really adding anyting to the group, we all got chairs here, Yours blanks out at times.

Ron Davis wrote:
primitive for all who read or watch, koko. safe to open if space allows.
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To: <
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:35 AM
Subject: Stick People

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From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again
Date: October 25, 2005 at 1:08:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Simply, NO
“Republican amendment to the budget proposal that would slash funding for basic health, nutrional and educational services for the poor, while giving away huge tax breaks for the very wealthy”
Jeez! Im a republican

I want health for Americans, jus no nutrition, Retards and niggers ain’t wastin money on, WHATEVAH GEORGE BOOSH WANTS!!

Ron Davis wrote:
Thank you for your understanding and you don’t have to be gentle if I screwed the pouch again. ron, hopefully w/o regrets
Hi!

I’m writing to ask you to join me in writing a short note to our representatives before an important vote on Thursday.

The House of Representatives will be voting on a
You can write a short letter to your representative and deliver it online just by going here:

http://www.political.moveon.org/budget

Thanks!

p.s. The original alert I got from MoveOn is available at http://political.moveon.org/budget/alert.html – it has more information about these cuts.

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:50:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron, you are repeating yourself again………
You already posted this…….lay off the gear man!!!
Lol
Luff lite n lafta
Kirk :o)
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 5:24 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again

—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again

Thank you for your understanding and you don’t have to be gentle if I screwed the pooch again. ron, hopefully w/o regrets
Hi! 

I’m writing to ask you to join me in writing a short note to our representatives before an important vote on Thursday.

The House of Representatives will be voting on a Republican amendment to the budget proposal that would slash funding for basic health, nutrional and educational services for the poor, while giving away huge tax breaks for the very wealthy. 

You can write a short letter to your representative and deliver it online just by going here:

http://www.political.moveon.org/budget

Thanks!

p.s. The original alert I got from MoveOn is available at http://political.moveon.org/budget/alert.html – it has more information about these cuts.

From: Don Patton <SuperBee@Tstar.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] To Jayand Don
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:48:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jay, I just wanna say, you are clear.

Think I been here about a month. These rooms seem to cater to serious addicts that can spend $5000 to $20,000 for treatment of a $500 gram of Ibogaine HCL, plus transportation into and out of the country, to those in the USA and Brazil, where it is illegal. Nobody has ever contacted me about the purchase, OR shipping to the USA

Now that gives me pause

Druggies that are afraid to break the law..NOBODY offers to ship, or contact. Just great “stories” I went here, I went there, I was spending $800 a week on a habit, but I fixed it for 12 grand. YEAH, If you CAN! Show me a druggie that has 5 grand. This is ludricous

Yeah, I could sell that scam

Once again, I will offer, If ANY DEA or FBI will sell me a gram of Ibocaine, you get the collar, I need a vacation, will plead guilty. I believe this heavenly in that..
OR we could give it to the U.K.

brenda brewer wrote:
Dear Jay,

I’ve never done herion or methadone but I’m seriously addicted to alcohol.  It’s legal and cheap and has made me very ill if I try to stop.  I’m going to a session very soon, I will be planning for aftercare with some type of transpersonal psychologist (yes, I do live in the SF Bay area)  so if you want to keep in touch I’ll let you know how it’s going.  I will stay in touch with the group.

On a sub-related note, one of my therapists a in Lake Oswego OR a few years back said he was astonished, because of my history, that I had not become a needle junkie to numb the pain.  I understand pain and addiction.  I also have had the most amazing “other” type experiences while completely sober through intention and meditation.  It’s hard to meditate with a hangover (although sometimes I do at work after noon when I’m starting to feel a little better) that I KNOW that the experience I am about to step into is a first step into a new lifestyle.

The thing for me is that –

1. I don’t deal with shady dealers
2. I’m good looking and have a nice personality and seem very normal to most people
3. I’m talented and on the verge of exploding on the music scene

But, nothing has helped me stop drinking since I was about 12.  I’ve learned to manage it kind of like how I perceive the herion addicts go on by using methadone, have jobs and white knuckle their way through life.  Believe me, I’ve tried to quit and my boyfriend was there with my for 3 days with cold washcloths, ice, blankets – he didn’t know what the fuck to do (I never say that – unless I wanna get fucked).

So, some days miso soup gets me through and I don’t have many symptoms.  Some days, all the sudden the creepy crawlies will come back, I’m having an anxiety attack and unless I can get my hands on some valium QUICK which I can’t – I have to go visit my friendly liquor store proprietor to get my fix.  Then I feel better.  Then it starts all over again.

So, I want to say, hang in there.  You have access to a computer so it could be much worse.  I’m not paying any rent this month to go to my session because my BF , who broke up with me because of my drinking, wants me to get better.  I have a job and when I get back I have health insurance to help pay for my aftercare.  I WILL  NOT go to any 12-step meetings.  Just ain’t for me.

Make a decision, sweetie.  I went back to work after a year and a half of being drunk constantly.  Just make the decision and ask God, higher beings, or your big toe to work it out.  It WILL happen for you if you believe you deserve it.

Love,

brenda


Shakti
Vocalist/Lyricist
House, Soul, Background vocals
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:24:06 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Ron Davis
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:57 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again

Thank you for your understanding and you don’t have to be gentle if I screwed the pooch again. ron, hopefully w/o regrets
Hi!

I’m writing to ask you to join me in writing a short note to our representatives before an important vote on Thursday.

The House of Representatives will be voting on a Republican amendment to the budget proposal that would slash funding for basic health, nutrional and educational services for the poor, while giving away huge tax breaks for the very wealthy.

You can write a short letter to your representative and deliver it online just by going here:

http://www.political.moveon.org/budget

Thanks!

p.s. The original alert I got from MoveOn is available at http://political.moveon.org/budget/alert.html – it has more information about these cuts.

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] db error email
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:11:10 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thought I would have another crack at Concept mail. What a surprise, the website simply says “GONE” and nothing else.
What do I do now? Patrick?

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:07:29 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jaayyyyy zuz woman you’re a bit of a hussy aint cha?? But then again….. all men are pigs, aye ;o)  lmao
From: Eye of the Bhogi [mailto:freedomroot@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 1:16 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

Why yes he does.  How did you know?  Here’s a time-release photo of him trying to find a nipple.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: Stick People to Jason attachment not large I think, bwtfdino exercise caution, I hope I’m getting better, koko OT
Date: October 25, 2005 at 12:02:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

primitive for all who read or watch, koko. safe to open if space allows.
—– Original Message —–

To: <
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:35 AM
Subject: Stick People

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] 24 hours before a vote on massive budget cuts – time to speak up! OT is this kosher for this forum? if not , my sincerest apologies and assurances it will not happen again
Date: October 24, 2005 at 11:57:08 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you for your understanding and you don’t have to be gentle if I screwed the pouch again. ron, hopefully w/o regrets
Hi!

I’m writing to ask you to join me in writing a short note to our representatives before an important vote on Thursday.

The House of Representatives will be voting on a Republican amendment to the budget proposal that would slash funding for basic health, nutrional and educational services for the poor, while giving away huge tax breaks for the very wealthy.

You can write a short letter to your representative and deliver it online just by going here:

http://www.political.moveon.org/budget

Thanks!

p.s. The original alert I got from MoveOn is available at http://political.moveon.org/budget/alert.html – it has more information about these cuts.

From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 24, 2005 at 8:16:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Why yes he does.  How did you know?  Here’s a time-release photo of him trying to find a nipple.

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 24, 2005 at 7:33:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Morning Wood wrote:
I have a pic of someone with a Roland sitting in the grass from a year or so ago,
wuz that you?

yep. that was a pic from the million marijuana march in DC… ummm.. in either 2003 or 2004.

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 24, 2005 at 7:32:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Me too!  They just installed a popcorn machine at work – yummy yummy!

I like popcorn alright, but sugar is what i really crave…eheh

You are a cutie, too!

awww. thanx =)

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From: jon <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 24, 2005 at 7:31:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Capt Kirk wrote:
Haaa that pic still cracks me up….. specially Robo-T in the Space Cadet tshirt looking like a space cadet..
Ok here’s my ugly mug then………view with caution…….

ugly mug my eye. =P you’re a pretty one.

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From: “matthew zielinski” <mattzielinski@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] I’m feeling better
Date: October 24, 2005 at 7:32:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi shakti
Wishing u all the best and remeber im adding another wonderful person to my disorgonized thoughts and medidations
it will be three weeks tomorow since i did ibogaine.
im now certain that without spiritual guidance i personally wont make it….i had another rebirthing exp in the woods yesterday while contemplating nature and hugging a tree—ah what an experience…
the energy of the universe, the energy from nature the energy from eachother is what strenghtens my spirit onto the path of healing and finaaly to my purpose in life which is to help others see the love and beauty in each and everyone of us….fuken right its hard…but did anybody say it was going to be easy…all i think about is using..the cravings are overwhelming…sipping my energy like a huge fuken vacum…
.all i think about is why ibogaine didnt curtail my cravings this time…but i know the answer….hey where there is a question there is an answer…and in this case the reason is simple….if i wont understand why i want to stop and why i should stop i can take ibogaine 1000 more times and it wont do shit….it has put me on the right path now the rest is up to me
psk its so fuken complicated but fuk me another hard road ahead…but even though its hard and bumpy it wont involve geting up in the morning anticipating a next hit and worying about another….fuk what a viscious fuken circle…..but psk what a fuekn high…..but fuk ….artifical high….psk psk psk
all the best…..with much love
matt
“there is no future, there is no past
nothing exists and everything will last”
—Jane Roberts
From: shakti@photon.net
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] I’m feeling better
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:34:33 -0700 (PDT)
A little shaky but alot better. Ate lunch, made a couple of phone calls.
Got back into my little kriya yoga journal (that I’m supoosed to reading
evry day). Went in the shower room, cried then prayed.

I’m now looking forward to the experience again. One month.

brenda

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 24, 2005 at 7:17:00 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Roflmfao!!!!!!!
Typical bloody Aussie come back that one ;o)
Thanks for the return laugh my ass off Jasen :o)
Kirsty
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:09 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] post a pic

—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

OK, we’ll play…

Wow Rachel, what a cutie,..I bet Jeff loves eating you.

love, Jasen
From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 6:52:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Jasen,

Thank you.  In one month.  I had too much caffiene this morning along with
everything else and just got very overwhelmed and out of the moment
thinking of all the crap that went along with 18 years of drinking and had
an anxiety attack.

A freind here at work came to me and told me that I looked stressed.  I
said yeah but I’m going on a small vacation next month so I’ll feel better
soon.  So he said, OK, then just focus on looking forward to that 🙂  We
both smiled.

I’m very fortunate to work with a company that hires the most positive
people they can find – it’s a great company culture.  I h ave so much to
be grateful for 🙂

I’m going to read your story now…

brenda 🙂

*Hey Brenda,

When are you doing the treatment?

I was also anxious and scared of the process,..
the unknown. I found it to be a great experience
and  would like to experience it again, this time
without the Iboga having the methadone to work on.

It will be interesting to see the difference.

You have nothing to fear.

Looking good on the beach.

love, Jasen

Jasen,

This was such a beautiful description of your process.  I feel so
grateful
and so much trust in what I always knew was a wonderful universe.

thank you,

brenda

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: Fw: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 6:21:32 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

*Hey Brenda,

When are you doing the treatment?

I was also anxious and scared of the process,..
the unknown. I found it to be a great experience
and  would like to experience it again, this time
without the Iboga having the methadone to work on.

It will be interesting to see the difference.

You have nothing to fear.

Looking good on the beach.

love, Jasen

Jasen,

This was such a beautiful description of your process.  I feel so grateful
and so much trust in what I always knew was a wonderful universe.

thank you,

brenda

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 24, 2005 at 6:09:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Eye of the Bhogi
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

OK, we’ll play…

Wow Rachel, what a cutie,..I bet Jeff loves eating you.

love, Jasen

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 5:24:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi  Luke,

if you have 3 grams as a normal dose then if you’ll make tea of it
in half a litre of water for two cup, will not make you trip.

sara

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least two dosages
of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a massage per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being a hippy or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a therapist
or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not where you live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is a
detox protocol.

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Begining to feel terrified
Date: October 24, 2005 at 4:48:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I did,  I had an anxiety attack.  Partially waited too long to eat,
partially withdrawl symptoms.  You know what I mean.

brenda

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Begining to feel terrified
Date: October 24, 2005 at 4:45:45 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

just try and relax.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:38 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Begining to feel terrified

Guys,

Please reassure me that this experience is going to be OK.  I know I’ll be
working with some of the best and they will take great care of me.

I need to eat some lunch and feeling a little ill.

thanks,

brenda

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] I’m feeling better
Date: October 24, 2005 at 4:34:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

A little shaky but alot better.  Ate lunch, made a couple of phone calls.
Got back into my little kriya yoga journal (that I’m supoosed to reading
evry day).  Went in the shower room, cried then prayed.

I’m now looking forward to the experience again.  One month.

brenda

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] October Book of the Month
Date: October 24, 2005 at 4:28:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Wow!  I’m so proud of you!

brenda

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Begining to feel terrified
Date: October 24, 2005 at 4:02:29 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Brenda,
I go thru this in January.. DON’T SAY TERRIFIED LOL
Have faith you are in good hands, and this is right for you.
Sending positive vibes for you to have a peaceful and successful journey.
Keep emailing if you need.
Kirk :o)

—–Original Message—–
From: shakti@photon.net [mailto:shakti@photon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 8:38 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Begining to feel terrified

Guys,

Please reassure me that this experience is going to be OK.  I know I’ll be
working with some of the best and they will take great care of me.

I need to eat some lunch and feeling a little ill.

thanks,

brenda

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From: Luke Christoffersen <luke.christoffersen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:54:35 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Sara,
Just curious as to what a non tripping dose of mushrooms
would be?  I can get mexican and thai mushrooms and mexican
truffles(philosophers stone), they come from Amsterdam.

Thanks
Luke

On 10/23/05, sara119@xs4all.nl <sara119@xs4all.nl> wrote:

Thanks  Vector,  😉

Jay, taking people of methadone is what I do almost daily 🙂
you will need two weeks of treatment and it takes at least two dosages of
Iboga, two mushrooms tea small dosages (non tripping), you will need
atleast 3 grams of cannabis for tea per day and atleast 3x a massage per
week to release stress and muscles tenssions.
and yes, I have a hippy happy home and yes I do enjoy cannabis,mushroom
tea& LSD dancing and my lover. I have no problems with being a hippy or
not being one both is good.

this is a treatment for people who don’t feel the need for a therapist or
to be brainwashed
by me and my idea’s of this “world”. where I live is not where you live
and so
my lifestyle and ideas will not fit yours that for sure.

good luck on your search for detox.

Sara

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff
method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain
very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is a
detox protocol.

__________________________________
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: [DrugWar] October Book of the Month
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:46:15 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, “Newsroom-L” <newsroom-l@lists.netspace.org>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Sorry for what must seem like shameless self-promotion, but I’m thrilled by this, and wanted to share. (See below my sig line for original message about Book of the Month choice.)

(And Jason Louv, btw, thanks for the signed copy of your awesome looking book Generation-Hex, which I will be reading in the very near future, once I get a few other books off my plate first, as I’m sure you’ll understand. Still, congrats are in order on that one. Great job.)

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Erin Hildebrandt” <erinhildebrandt@yahoo.com>
To: <parentsendingprohibition@yahoogroups.com>; <aro@drugsense.org>; <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:41 PM
Subject: [DrugWar] October Book of the Month

Greetings, everyone-

PEP is proud to present our October Book of the Month
— “Under The Influence: The Disinformation Guide to
Drugs,” edited by Preston Peet.
(http://parentsendingprohibition.homestead.com/books.html)
Bill Hildebrandt remarks that it “is a fascinating
collection of articles and essays from a variety of
perspectives on the drug war. The overall result is a
powerful examination of the status quo in our nation’s
war on drugs. No one can read this without learning
something new, and without being inspired to say —
enough is enough.  There are better ways!”

There is something in this collection for everyone, no
matter what your area of interest or expertise.   Many
of the essays in “Under the Influence” provide good
starting points to further research topics with which
you may not have been previously familiar, including
an article written by our own Erin Hildebrandt about
her experience testifying before the Maryland
legislature.   Please visit
http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle6040.html to
order your own copy today.

For anyone unfamiliar with Preston Peet’s work, to his
credit (among the many hats he wears), Preston is the
editor for http://www.drugwar.com, “Under the
Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs,”
“Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient
Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden
History” (due out Sept. 2005), a contributor to High
Times mag/.com, contributing editor at
http://www.disinfo.com, and a columnist for New York
Waste.  He is also list-master extraordinaire for the
Drugwar discussion list.  To subscribe, send an e-mail
to:  ” drugwar-subscribe@mindvox.com .”

It is our hope at PEP that this book club will educate
and entertain our members.  Additionally, we want to
help support the drug policy reform community by
increasing circulation of some of our best written
materials, as well as providing a forum for discussion
of these publications which touch on issues that are
so close to each of our hearts.  Please visit PEP, and
sign up to receive updates and join our discussion
list at:
http://parentsendingprohibition.homestead.com/list.html.

Warmly,

The PEP Family

Parents Ending Prohibition
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Website:  http://parentsendingprohibition.org

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jasens experience
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:39:37 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen,

This was such a beautiful description of your process.  I feel so grateful
and so much trust in what I always knew was a wonderful universe.

thank you,

brenda

Brenda, have you read Jasen’s entire experience? I have it saved in Word doc
it is so beautiful to read…..(I gather we are talking about J Chamoun?)

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] geez preston!!!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:38:24 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OHhhhh that’s just bloody great now Preston…… NOWWW we have to use our
imaginations!!!!  Ohhhhh just great!!!  Do yu know how vivid the imagination
is of people what aint got nun in along time???? Right Callie????
Sigh.
;o)

oops, sorry.

Peace and love,
Preston

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amongst certain folk who just aren’t ‘getting it’ if that’s the best way of
putting it.
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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: [Ibogaine] Begining to feel terrified
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:38:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Guys,

Please reassure me that this experience is going to be OK.  I know I’ll be
working with some of the best and they will take great care of me.

I need to eat some lunch and feeling a little ill.

thanks,

brenda

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:37:22 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL
Very funny……. Thanks for a good laugh early in the morning :o)
From: Eye of the Bhogi [mailto:freedomroot@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 5:03 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic

OK, we’ll play…

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wedding shot??!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:27:27 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Brenda (I love those pics too btw)- I do try to do precisely that, to make sure to be happy at least once a day, with conscious effort if need be, but it’s not alway necessarily needed, one of those conscious efforts.

Peace and love,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: <shakti@photon.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wedding shot??!!

I love those pix of you guys.  she is so beautiful and you guys look
beautiful together.  make a choice that you will find a way to feel good
every day.  you both deserve it.  i feel so much love for you guys.

brenda

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] geez preston!!!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 2:36:11 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

oops, sorry.

Peace and love,
Preston

remainder snipped and deleted due to not wanting to cause any undue stress amongst certain folk who just aren’t ‘getting it’ if that’s the best way of putting it.
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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] central america
Date: October 24, 2005 at 1:02:12 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it’s ok, thanks for the offer, r
—– Original Message —– From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] central america

im leaving for el salvador today. cr is quite a distance, being im in
honduras. where in CR is it (city)¿ my spanish is alright if he speaks
english that is a bonus but i can call perhaps. no way i can go back to CR
tho.

c

check on a pharmacy for me? it’s legit and I’m trying to get the owner to
stock IBO?  he’s in CR and shipping req’s to the states may be relaxed.
ron,
with thanks
—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] central america

tegucigalpa honduras as of sunday
el salv on monday

still in costa rica? ron 10/21
—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] central america

anyone on the list live in central america¿ im in costa rica now,
taking
a
bus to az.

mail me to met up, whatever.

n

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Fw: one klownz new enterprise gonna retire soon investors welcomed (OT)
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:46:00 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–

it would be preferred Next you sir Of course it would be preferred said Clarke
Mrs Lindsay was so overcome by this generous speech which I need not say she had notMy durance you absolutely are on some subjects one of the most ridiculous persons in the world
Youre a devilish amiable looking fellow Clark just what you used to be
and now came forward deferentially Where have you put my friend Mr Beatty said Romero
I am in earnest at last so youll soon have to arrange our contracts and to bind us firmly to theman invitation I was only too proud and happy to accept It being now pretty late
only the other evening lay down his head upon his desk and shed tears like a child
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He is often very nervous or I fancy so It is not fancy said Corine shaking her head
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and might have put it off until next day and might have lost him But in the
that he never thought of being observed by anyone but was so intent upon her and upon his ownHeres a genlmn behind me Ill pound it said Valeria as has bred em by wholesale
and the corrugates walk and the congenial sound of the haul avery hovering above them all than I cared to show to Uriah Heep who was so officious to help me that I uncharitably thought
I will aunt It has occurred to me pursued my aunt that a little change and a glimpse of life
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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: Fw: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:38:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Jasen,

This was such a beautiful description of your process.  I feel so grateful
and so much trust in what I always knew was a wonderful universe.

thank you,

brenda

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From: shakti@photon.net
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wedding shot??!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:09:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I love those pix of you guys.  she is so beautiful and you guys look
beautiful together.  make a choice that you will find a way to feel good
every day.  you both deserve it.  i feel so much love for you guys.

brenda

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From: nruhtra@dsskcorp.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] central america
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:05:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

im leaving for el salvador today. cr is quite a distance, being im in
honduras. where in CR is it (city)¿ my spanish is alright if he speaks
english that is a bonus but i can call perhaps. no way i can go back to CR
tho.

c

check on a pharmacy for me? it’s legit and I’m trying to get the owner to
stock IBO?  he’s in CR and shipping req’s to the states may be relaxed.
ron,
with thanks
—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] central america

tegucigalpa honduras as of sunday
el salv on monday

still in costa rica? ron 10/21
—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] central america

anyone on the list live in central america¿ im in costa rica now,
taking
a
bus to az.

mail me to met up, whatever.

n

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] post a pic
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:03:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OK, we’ll play…

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From: <slowone@hush.ai>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 11:02:53 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Callie, anyone who puts conditions up front on the help they are
willing to receive has to be ready to put up with a little abuse
here (unless they are paying money for the help 🙂 Ironic that the
main hands-on expert in methadone detox here is the sort of person
Jay rejects (Sara). Jay, it looks like aftercare is key to staying
clean after iboga, and the main way to avoid transpersonal
blathering etc is to see a very establishment therapist who will
not lay a trip on you (directly anyway) and stay away from this
list (Jay, Jay, ……?). Or the 12-step thing, if you can handle
having your in-crowd trash what got you clean (or maybe try a non-
NA group).

By the way, if anyone has sent me private email in the last few
days, I deleted a bunch of mail forgetting to scan it all (mailbox
full), so please send again if you can, thanks.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:19:44 -0700 CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
I did re-read it! Lets reread it together, okay?
“I’m a little late and coming into the middle of all  this so
please
bear with me. I don’t know what to  make of this place but it
looks
like a weird combination of hippy-dippy new  age dreck, hardcore
junkies and I don’t know what else”.

I think that is a right on assessment of all the folks here. I am
about the
only one who does not understand all the stuff you guys throw
around. I find
it  s/w fascinating but can see where someone who joined to learn
about
detoxing on  Ibogaine would find it frustrating.
Hell, I even consider myself hippy-dippy!

“Who is who? I could honestly give 2 shits about  transpersonal
blathering and new age mumbo jumbo by people who have never  been
addicted. I’m much more with Callie. Morning Wood, Ron, I’m
interested
in what ibogaine does for detox, what then, how does anyone here
stay
clean, do any of you who were junkies and stayed clean really do
it
through this new age crap? I don’t want to hear the  rebirthing
transpersonal nurturing granola sheet, sorry got my fill in the
60’s.
Is there any non blathering after ibogaine treatment or system  or
whatnot that works for anyone?”

Sounds like this man did his experimentation in the 60’s, which
was 40  years
ago and maybe feels he doesn’t have the time to wade through the
stuff  that
he didn’t decide to carry with him these past 40 years. Nothing
wrong with
that.
Also asking AGAIN for just an explanation of Ibogaine as a
treatment for
addiction.

“Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I  feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the  angels
sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off  half-
baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick  after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any
more
reasonable after ibogaine?”

Sorry, but again, sounds like a desperate plea for help with a
little
anxiety and anger (which is fear).
I am just surprised at the responses to this mildly confrontative
plea for
info and help.

Maybe I am too old and been on Methadone too long to fit in here.
I am not going anywhere…just been frustrated easy lately. That
is from
within me, has nothing to do with you folks.
Captain K, you are just usually such a tolerable, peaceful person
that it
threw me back to read your words!
Callie

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Jay’s rude arrival!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:59:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

OH geez, great. Now I resemble the self Portrait of a guy painting himself as a woman???????? Huh????  Thanks!! Lmao
I was thinking “god I hope I don’t break the camera…….”
Cheers Jasen….:o)
From: Jasen Chamoun [mailto:jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au] 
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 7:58 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Jay’s rude arrival!!

—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jay’s rude arrival!!

Hi Callie,
Yes you’re right I usually am….. sometimes this damn human part of me slips thru and goddammit shows me up for who I really am!!

Kirk xxxxxxx

***. Yeahhh,…an awesome girl that has me laughing my head off at times. I love you just the way you are Capt’ (Mona)
***You know what,..Ron’s got a point,..that picture of you does resemble the Mona Lisa,….so,…what were you thinking?

love, Jasen

From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 3:36:14 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey Jay,

Hey,..that rhymes( Hey Jay),..f*ck,..maybe I should be a poet,..no really,
welcome to this twisted list,..I think this list helps me stay on the track I
now choose to be on,..being,..no opiates.

11 months for me now since taking Iboga at Sara’s in Amsterdam. I haven’t
had any NA or AA or any other time of group counselling, although I think
counselling,..the right type,..would definatley be benficial.

I was on 60mg of methadone, and had been on methadone for 23 years on
and off,..mainly on,..the off was only when I was in a position where I could
use as much dope as I wanted.

Withdrawels:

For me they were minimal,..about 5 to 15 percent. I understand that any type
of withdrawel is pretty f*cked up,..however the withdrawels I felt were at a much
shallower level,..it was like I knew my body was just sick and it was getting better,
I didn’t feel all twisted and tortured inside.

I have tried comming off opiates for many years, with no success until Iboga.

I understand by your email that you are not interested in hippy dippy, new age,
lovey dovey type of advice,..however I have to say that the biggest thing for me
not wanting opiates is feeling the love, and knowing that I am everthing. I am
that,…………….I am. Iboga gave me an understanding that helps me to understand
who we truly are and what life is about,..I’m not saying this is the way it is,..just that
my beliefs work for me.

Iboga helped me to become more at peace with my self and this peace helps me to
not desire opiates any more.

If you have any questions, I would be very happy to answer them,..if I can.

with love, Jasen.
—– Original Message —– From: “Jay Willis” <jaywillten@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

I’m a little late and coming into the middle of all this so please
bear with me. I don’t know what to make of this place but it looks
like a weird combination of hippy-dippy new age dreck, hardcore
junkies and I don’t know what else.

Who is who? I could honestly give 2 shits about transpersonal
blathering and new age mumbo jumbo by people who have never been
addicted. I’m much more with Callie. Morning Wood, Ron, I’m interested
in what ibogaine does for detox, what then, how does anyone here stay
clean, do any of you who were junkies and stayed clean really do it
through this new age crap? I don’t want to hear the rebirthing
transpersonal nurturing granola sheet, sorry got my fill in the 60’s.
Is there any non blathering after ibogaine treatment or system or
whatnot that works for anyone?

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

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From: “Jasen Chamoun” <jasenhappy@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Fw: [Ibogaine] Jay’s rude arrival!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 2:57:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:24 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jay’s rude arrival!!

Hi Callie,
Yes you’re right I usually am….. sometimes this damn human part of me slips thru and goddammit shows me up for who I really am!!

Kirk xxxxxxx

***. Yeahhh,…an awesome girl that has me laughing my head off at times. I love you just the way you are Capt’ (Mona)
***You know what,..Ron’s got a point,..that picture of you does resemble the Mona Lisa,….so,…what were you thinking?

love, Jasen

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Possible reasons for outbursts…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 2:38:32 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

One last thing…..
Mars will be closest to earth on the 31st.. then starts orbiting back out…..
Planet of war? (and grumpy old cows LOL)

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] geez preston!!!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 2:05:38 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Heyyyyyyyyy that’s about the same year as me!!!!! Omg.  I guess we could consider ourselves born again virgins????
Sigh.
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 6:49 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] geez preston!!!!

In a message dated 10/24/2005 12:27:12 AM Central Standard Time, captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk writes:
There ya go Callie!!!!  That’s why I’m grumpy!!! Lol)
me too girl….I know this is a lot of info but no sex (intercourse, which is my favorite) since 1999! Think I might be grumpy? NAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
celibate Callie
though I tell you….my friends have all this drama due to their sex lives, so sometimes I am pretty okay with just myself! lol! 😉

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] geez preston!!!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 1:49:00 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/24/2005 12:27:12 AM Central Standard Time, captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk writes:
There ya go Callie!!!!  That’s why I’m grumpy!!! Lol)

me too girl….I know this is a lot of info but no sex (intercourse, which is my favorite) since 1999! Think I might be grumpy? NAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
celibate Callie
though I tell you….my friends have all this drama due to their sex lives, so sometimes I am pretty okay with just myself! lol! 😉

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] geez preston!!!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 1:27:03 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

.
But we do get through the hard times, and do still make beautiful love on a
pretty regular basis, which after nine years if really saying something-
except that V is gorgeous, so perhaps it’s not saying that much after all,
other than that I’m happy about that.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet
[Capt Kirk] Excuse me could you PLEASE spare a thought for those of us who
haven’t gotten any in QUITE a long time???? GEEZ
(There ya go Callie!!!!  That’s why I’m grumpy!!! Lol)

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From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Jay’s rude arrival!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 1:24:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Callie,
Yes you’re right I usually am….. sometimes this damn human part of me slips thru and goddammit shows me up for who I really am!!
Ok, my point of view:-  Jay  (btw, apologies, but bear with me while I explain my position here) comes in here as a stranger….. and instead of just asking for help, he moves onto to give a not so nice run down of what people do and talk about on here.  Now, if some stranger came to your place while you had, say a group of your Nurse friends over, and stood up and said please beer with me but you nurses are a bunch of thermometer carrying, medicine practising, squeaky soled damn nutcases who spout nothing but medicinal crap……………………………….. and so on and so forth.
Well, in my currently unenlightened state, I’m sorry but I am going to get a bit upset about that!!!  I didn’t think there was ANY need for it at all!  Ask for help, fine, tell us you’re having a shitty time, hell aren’t we all, but the rest of it? No, sorry I don’t agree it was a cry for help, that was just plumb rude!!
But, that’s just me, and I’m not quite sure why you are saying it’s ok to be rude to strangers?  Perhaps your nursing makes you a bit more immune to that…… I know my sister is…..
Anyway…
I’m done now.
Love light and Laughter
Kirk xxxxxxx
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 5:20 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

I did re-read it! Lets reread it together, okay?
“I’m a little late and coming into the middle of all this so please
bear with me. I don’t know what to make of this place but it looks
like a weird combination of hippy-dippy new age dreck, hardcore
junkies and I don’t know what else”.

I think that is a right on assessment of all the folks here. I am about the only one who does not understand all the stuff you guys throw around. I find it s/w fascinating but can see where someone who joined to learn about detoxing on Ibogaine would find it frustrating.
Hell, I even consider myself hippy-dippy!

“Who is who? I could honestly give 2 shits about transpersonal
blathering and new age mumbo jumbo by people who have never been
addicted. I’m much more with Callie. Morning Wood, Ron, I’m interested
in what ibogaine does for detox, what then, how does anyone here stay
clean, do any of you who were junkies and stayed clean really do it
through this new age crap? I don’t want to hear the rebirthing
transpersonal nurturing granola sheet, sorry got my fill in the 60’s.
Is there any non blathering after ibogaine treatment or system or
whatnot that works for anyone?”

Sounds like this man did his experimentation in the 60’s, which was 40 years ago and maybe feels he doesn’t have the time to wade through the stuff that he didn’t decide to carry with him these past 40 years. Nothing wrong with that.
Also asking AGAIN for just an explanation of Ibogaine as a treatment for addiction.

“Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?”

Sorry, but again, sounds like a desperate plea for help with a little anxiety and anger (which is fear).
I am just surprised at the responses to this mildly confrontative plea for info and help.

Maybe I am too old and been on Methadone too long to fit in here.
I am not going anywhere…just been frustrated easy lately. That is from within me, has nothing to do with you folks.
Captain K, you are just usually such a tolerable, peaceful person that it threw me back to read your words!
Callie

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] central america
Date: October 24, 2005 at 1:06:34 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

check on a pharmacy for me? it’s legit and I’m trying to get the owner to stock IBO?  he’s in CR and shipping req’s to the states may be relaxed. ron, with thanks
—– Original Message —– From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] central america

tegucigalpa honduras as of sunday
el salv on monday

still in costa rica? ron 10/21
—– Original Message —–
From: <nruhtra@dsskcorp.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] central america

anyone on the list live in central america¿ im in costa rica now, taking
a
bus to az.

mail me to met up, whatever.

n

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams… 2 PatRiCk from ron..(windows are me)
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:54:47 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick:
nomb  so dis this if you want.  how bout the add ons like benzos, reefer, liqour, sleeperz and the usual suspects? you kool w/ all that as well?  ron , juz fishin and learnin what to expect.  thankz
—– Original Message —– From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

sorry everyone, it seems I’m really spouting off, I hear that as I read it back. Again my apologies, but whatever way the mailing system works via my link there is a complete lack of flow..so effectively there is no connection between messages, maybe 1 or 2 per two days. I only realised this is not working properly or the way I am signed up…and have recently tried to reconnect. I don’t menat to come across like a total prick…but literally its as if there is no flow of communication…therefore no train of connection.

I only realised by speaking about this to Jon the other day whose mail box wd. be full in 3 days …. really sorry everyone…I’m really NOT trying to offend anyone, and there is good reason for what I am saying …just I don’t think I’m expressing it the way I could, perhaps this is the reason.

SOrry if I’ve really been on the case…

Ed.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:13:37 -0500

whew is all this Klown can say.  mix a lil’ hardtime in there in a southern prison farm 3 decades ago and Patrick’s habit goes with mine in the old days.   tolerances after 3 1/2 decades prevent getting high anymore, just straight.koko
—– Original Message —– From: “edward conn” <wardconn@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff method promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does not include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain very pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for psychological work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I am saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills and insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is a detox protocol.

Ed.

From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:59:38 +0200 (CEST)

>
> On Oct 19, 2005, at 12:46 PM, CallieMimosa@aol.com wrote:
>
>>> In a message dated 10/19/2005 11:21:18 AM Central Standard Time,
>>> freedomroot@gmail.com writes:
>>> If what passes for normal life is a big walking serotonin dream,
>>> to quote an angel, than why not call that a hallucination too?
>
>> Sorry Rachel but I think you have gone over the edge on that
>> statement.
>> That is exactly what I am stating.
>> Sometimes this list is just a bunch of unreal bologna! I have been
>> an addict for 25 to 30 of my 46 years. I stayed out of reality for
>> all those years. I am looking for something real….not just
>> another false sense of euphoria, false sense of reality or another
>> hallucination or unreal experience!
>> As I said before, and I hate to apologize all the time but… I am
>> not trying to be disrespectful to anyone…..just trying to get the
>> facts Mam as Detective Friday would say.
>> Callie
>
> Callie…
>
> Without getting metaphysical, and sticking wid’ dat science thing
> which I hear is becomin’ pretty popular in da 21st century…
>
> What’s “real” …?  Science is pretty much in agreement upon the fact
> that everything we perceive to be “real” or solid, is just light, at
> different wavelengths and densities.  Everything falls apart on a > sub-
> atomic level.
>
> What’s “real” …?  Anything, everything, nothing.
>
> How do we perceive reality?  Through the greatest supercomputer
> that’s ever been invented: that brain thing everyone has floating
> around inside their skull, and most people experimenting with
> molecules like to fine-tune, adjust, and play with.
>
> Reality is a highly subjective experience.  The way you process
> what’s “real” and decide what to keep, and what to filter out, is
> based upon how your brain has been programmed, pretty much since
birth.
>
> Some of this programming is conscious, most of it is not.  “Reality”
> rearranges itself in accordance with force of will/repetitions of
> patterns.  This is called neuroplasticity, not voodoo or magic.
>
> Neuroplasticity is pretty exciting in neuroscience right about now,
> because we used to think it stopped at a certain age … but there is
> now actual proof that this is not the case.  In the last decade we
> have learned more about how the human brain functions, than in all of
> recorded history before right now … and we still don’t know very >
much.
>
> So the question that was first posed to science — and actually drop-
> kicked into neuroscience by John Lilly, “Does consciousness arise
> within the brain, or is the brain merely a vehicle for mind/
> consciousness?” has, to some extent, been answered.  (And I mean in
> NEUROSCIENCE, not the happy-fun-wacky offshoot called Neurotheology
> — which is essentially the study of the brain/mind and WHAT IS
> HAPPENING when transcendent states/spiritual experience/religious
> alignment occur.)
>
> IF we are just extremely complex biological systems, and everything
> can be attributed to a stimulus-response, social conditioning,
> genetics, synapses firing — or not — loop…  THEN … the concept
> of “free will” is pointless; it doesn’t exist, everything is
> biological destiny, a junkie is always a junkie, addiction is a
> chronic disease, and the best we can hope for is that it goes into
> “remission”.
>
> …
>
> Life’s just like a funhouse, an endless series of mirrors,
> projections, and distorted reflections.  What’s “real” … whatever
> you decide is real, as long as you TRULY BELIEVE IT TO BE SO.  If you
> BELIEVE, then you MAKE IT SO.  Your brain rearranges in accordance
> with will/mind.  Your reality changes.
>
> I’m NOT talking about mental illness, I am far more familiar with
> mental illness and schizophrenia than I ever wanted or intended to
> be.  Individuals afflicted by these conditions are not having much
> fun — most of the time — are they…?  What’s the “cure” …?
> There isn’t one, you hose the lunatics down with neuroleptics, and
> toss in some Cogentin, because we don’t really know what else to do
> with ’em, and opiates are not legally sanctioned for the use of
> controlling mental illness, despite the fact that they work far more
> effectively and with much milder side-effects, than the current range
> of anti-psychotics…
>
> …
>
> Presupposing that you’re self-medicating DSM-IV, Axis 2 material,
> you’re gonna find that you can make CHOICES post-ibogaine.  Axis 1 is
> a bit different, and difficult to deal with, and making
> generalizations ’bout it, is pointless.
>
> IF you want to view ibogaine as nothing more than the best detox
> going — well, rock the fuck out; because it IS.  It goes far beyond
> detox, and appears to hit a reset on long-term neuroadaptations that
> occur in the brain, due to chronic administration of exogenous
> molecules.
>
> God bless, it WORKS.
>
> However, if you choose to discard whatever visions/insights may
> present themselves … well, perhaps you’re doing yourself a great
> disservice.
>
> Having said all this, it doesn’t really matter.  What you want, what
> you choose to believe, and what you intend, may dramatically change
> once you glide back down from ibogaine … or not.  What it all > means/
> what it meant to you, 2 weeks later, 2 months later, 2 years
> later … is entirely up to you, and how you CHOOSE to reprogram your
> mind.
>
> A pretty cool book, which is very easy to read, explains
> neuroplasticity without getting Way The Fuck Out There (until the
> very last chapter, where it takes the obligatory detour into quantum
> mechanics and Buddhism), is this thing here.  You may want to check
> it out.
>
> The Mind and the Brain: Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental > Force.
> Jeffrey M. Schwartz, M.D
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060393556/
> qid=1046306312/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_2/103-7599119-5503826?
> v=glance&s=books&n=507846
>
> I banged dope from 14-30, when I stepped off through the use of
> ibogaine my habit was at 200MG/day of methadone + 2 grams of heroin
> on top of that… to get straight; not fucked up.  And, I’m only
> counting the opiates.  However, as of All Hallows Eve, it will have
> been 6 years since I touched ANY narcotic analgesic.
>
> I suffer from the mysterious disease of being a human being.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
Dear Patrick,

about being a human being, my friend would say,
“physical organisms,bodies with extraordinary intelligence that naturally
function in the present and act in response to given stimuli.” He thinks “all
our troubles arise from thought and ideas that are alienated from the
ongoing body-environment dynamic. Culture comes  between you and reality.”
Something like that. “We are products of our culture and past. The brain and
body know exactly what to do when not dominated and conditioned by that
past.”

Iboga brings up memories/guilt/shame/fears and to some level takes the
dominated condition
of the mind. (even when it’s a mental illness).

be well,
Sara

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] RON step away from the keyboard!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:44:05 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

i’m wearing mittenz, think it’ll help?.  stale 2 -day, i’m morphing, careful
—– Original Message —– From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:11 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] RON step away from the keyboard!

Nothing new is coming thru….. I suggest you go lie down until you can see
straight!!! Lol
Kirk ;o)

—–Original Message—–
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 12:50 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue w/ disinformation on cue as well

—– Original Message —– From: <slowone@hush.ai>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue

I second the notion that it takes more out of you the older you
get. It was like being a baby for me, 2 weeks before I began to
find my everyday walking self again. With practice it seems to get
easier to bounce back, but maybe getting less out of it than at 1st
too.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:21:18 -0700 > wrote:
He was a physical wreck that c/n function on his job.  never
anticipated the toll on the body.  my, what a few decades do to
one.  his providers were  sensational. must have more down time in
the equation.  3 weeks min.
enjoyed all he met. must go again
—– Original Message —–  From: Morning Wood
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue

Yeah, wouldn’t want to be like Mr. Bungle.

So did the ibogaine he took help at all?

I remember it was around the time the u.s. space shuttle landed
I think.

Did he see anything else of interest?

cheers,
J

wrote:
it started as a joke.  i was a cubscout on a field trip in the

50’s to a local t.v. station that hosted an afternoon kid’s
cartoon show.  the host was a demented pedophile named KOKO the
Kenai Klown ( Kenai being a peninsula in Alaska where I lived).
Koko interviewed me and I could see his nicotine stained fingers,
smell the whiskey on his breath and his 3 o’clock shadow.  He sat
a little too close for comfort. I’ve been afraid of Klownz every
since then and it’s a running joke.  No foul was committed but I
remember the spark in his jaundiced eyes. Klownz?  who needs ’em..

kind of feel the same way about mimes. apology not necessary.  ron

they are spooky to me
—– Original Message —–      From: Morning Wood
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:29 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] koko on Cue

hi dude   how’s it going?

why do call yourself koko and klown?

just curious, it be otay as a famous lil’ rascal use to say

-J

Sorry for being a dick.  say what?

<g>

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wedding shot??!!
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:43:28 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks again Callie, I appreciate the encouraging words. I’ve been really going through this self-hate thing lately, and it wears on V- it’s hard to live with someone who is depressed/angry/sad all the time.
But we do get through the hard times, and do still make beautiful love on a pretty regular basis, which after nine years if really saying something- except that V is gorgeous, so perhaps it’s not saying that much after all, other than that I’m happy about that.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wedding shot??!!

In a message dated 10/23/2005 9:04:44 PM Central Daylight Time, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:
No, no hitching, it just looks like it in that photo.
But we consider outselves hitched, even through the rougher stages of our relationship, which I keep reassuring myself we all go through at some point or another.

Yes, we do! We all go through tough times but if we stay committed to each other we come out stronger and more in awe of each other.
I really wish I had understood commitment better in my first marriage. The eighties were such a disposable decade. If it didn’t work like you thought, you just split! That is one thing I regret!
Hang in there with V! Bet you guys will keep doing great!
Callie

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 7ply blue buddha “khan Clue sions” and Koko
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:42:25 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

gd job…whadda they spect from a washed out klown?
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 7ply blue buddha “khan Clue sions” and Koko

Yehh Uh huh ok ron, I mean koko, I mean..   ohh dammit, who are you today????? ;o)
From: Ron Davis [mailto:rwd3@cox.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2005 3:38 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 7ply blue buddha “khan Clue sions” and Koko

WTF?  koko, stable as a shite howz rat.  Arrrrrrrrrr
—– Original Message —–
From: Capt Kirk
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] 7ply blue buddha “khan Clue sions” and Koko

Callie…. Fit in reply was from Don..
Ron is a um….. mad clown who comes and goes and… well… usually leaves us confused and wondering wtf?? Lol (juss kidding Ron…)
Ron’s n Don’s………mon…
Kirk ;o)
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2005 10:27 a.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] 7ply blue buddha “khan Clue sions” and Koko

Ron,
You fit in here just fine. I don’t think there are any requirements. This isn’t AA!! hahaha!! Thank goodness!! You don’t even have to have a desire to get clean to ‘fit’ in on this list.
I think some folks have found Ibogaine on this list but it takes a while.
Sit back, read, learn, share……read this…..The Dharma of Ibogaine, by James Kent
If it is an emergency, there are some treatment centers outside the US. Are you wanting to do that? In fact, I think Eric Taub, in the article above, is affiliated or may even be administrator of a program right off coast of Florida. But don’t take that as gospel cause I might be wrong.
I think or at least I perceive most people here that have done Ibogaine encourage you to do it with someone who knows about Ibogaine, how much to give, what to expect etc. I do not think it is a good idea to do it all by yourself but I am sure there have been many who have.
You fit in! Hang around! There is some sarcasm here but it is generally harmless! I do know there is more caring and support on this list than intolerance or lack of understanding.
There hasn’t been a whole lot of posts lately but if you stick around there will be more. I predict you will learn a lot about others, yourself and Ibogaine.
Callie

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:40:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

arrrrrg
me gets a lil’ angry meself at this damn monkey us klownz carry with our music boxes.  gotz to feed it soooo much dinero so it’ll danz rite .  damn monkee  so jay,  no room from this old klown for arroganz,  me monkeez habit iz tooooo long for that.  no offenz, juz shootin’ from me hip with a hook for a trigger finger, plus me powder gotz wet.  hey folks, pipe him aboard…. and get bent or twisted or whatever we do cuz moze of us is juz sufferin like youz.  personally my day succored, hustling for the monkey just so he’d dance a few ours.  it can happen here..my friend almost made it which gives me freaking  hope and bro’  I need it.  don no site but learning’s as I goes…12 stepped for 15 earz and it was great.. then my clock quit tickin’ and i tumbled into hell.  bitez?  terrible understatement…… this a IBO  stuff is but a jumpin off place the way this klown haz it figured…@ 56 i can’t take
a 3 week detox for me monkee……  too mutchz at steak.. listen to the smart ones not the dumb azz like me, i’m juz a klown w/ a dancin’ monkee that eats too damn much.  i’m on the cusp, tightropz, venus risin’ and graspin at starbuckz but i’m tired of  doc’s makin’ me hurt more to “hopefully but not certainly feel better in the end.”   arrrrr matey, welcome aboard..koko
—– Original Message —–
From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

In a message dated 10/23/2005 5:19:39 PM Central Daylight Time, captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk writes:
You are entitled to your opinion, but if you really want help, I suggest a
bit more TACT in your emails.
Wishing you the best
Kirk

You know, I am a bit taken back by your reply to Jay. He asked at the very beginning to bear with him. He is like me….I do not understand most of what you guys are talking about when it comes to speaking with aliens, music that is channeled etc., etc.
The replies I have read that have been directed toward him have been courteous but with an air and attitude about them. That is how I perceived them.
To be such a welcoming group most of the time, you folks have really surprised me. You may have answered his questions but reread your replies.
Sorry, but I think Jay was tactful! You just don’t know how to address you folks sometimes!
I am feeling a bit angry,
Callie

From: Nowwarat@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Iboga trees
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:23:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

It seems to me that for those living in warmer climates, the thought of an Iboga tree growing under the kitchen window, must be an interesting thought.  Ever hear of it?

Also, anyone take one and a half to two grams to acuate withdrawal interruption.

Bruce

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:19:44 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I did re-read it! Lets reread it together, okay?
“I’m a little late and coming into the middle of all this so please
bear with me. I don’t know what to make of this place but it looks
like a weird combination of hippy-dippy new age dreck, hardcore
junkies and I don’t know what else”.

I think that is a right on assessment of all the folks here. I am about the only one who does not understand all the stuff you guys throw around. I find it s/w fascinating but can see where someone who joined to learn about detoxing on Ibogaine would find it frustrating.
Hell, I even consider myself hippy-dippy!

“Who is who? I could honestly give 2 shits about transpersonal
blathering and new age mumbo jumbo by people who have never been
addicted. I’m much more with Callie. Morning Wood, Ron, I’m interested
in what ibogaine does for detox, what then, how does anyone here stay
clean, do any of you who were junkies and stayed clean really do it
through this new age crap? I don’t want to hear the rebirthing
transpersonal nurturing granola sheet, sorry got my fill in the 60’s.
Is there any non blathering after ibogaine treatment or system or
whatnot that works for anyone?”

Sounds like this man did his experimentation in the 60’s, which was 40 years ago and maybe feels he doesn’t have the time to wade through the stuff that he didn’t decide to carry with him these past 40 years. Nothing wrong with that.
Also asking AGAIN for just an explanation of Ibogaine as a treatment for addiction.

“Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?”

Sorry, but again, sounds like a desperate plea for help with a little anxiety and anger (which is fear).
I am just surprised at the responses to this mildly confrontative plea for info and help.

Maybe I am too old and been on Methadone too long to fit in here.
I am not going anywhere…just been frustrated easy lately. That is from within me, has nothing to do with you folks.
Captain K, you are just usually such a tolerable, peaceful person that it threw me back to read your words!
Callie

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Relax
Date: October 24, 2005 at 12:14:08 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

say what? koko
—– Original Message —–
From: brenda brewer
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Relax

Hi all my brothers and sisters,

Let’s try to relax in any accessible at this time.   I see so much discussion about our addictions, et al.  But, remember that Ibo comes from a lineage that nothing to do with treating addiction.

We discovered that it is an “addiction interrupter.”

Slow down, get a fix if you need to or just know that there are people that love you.

I was talking to a friend on the phone earlier today I we were talking about kindness – ahimsha – kindness to your self and everyone else.

Why get so wound up?  Try to start to unwind and let yourself off the hook.  Just STOP.  The self hurting.

Even if you take another pill, needle or drink stop hurting yourself by hating yourself.  We ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS!

And, if you think noone loves you, I do.   So tell yourself, Brenda loves me.

Until you are released into freedom and joy, love still exists – possibility is the only absolute in the universe.

Love,

Brenda
The beautiful mama on the beach in california

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] J-j-j-jay
Date: October 23, 2005 at 11:02:33 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Love that movie!!!
Jack Black is hilarious as the wasted orderly!!!
From: Eye of the Bhogi [mailto:freedomroot@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 3:09 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] J-j-j-jay

From 4:30 a.m until 6:15 this morning I got sucked into a using/bottoming/recovery film some of you may find inspiring:  Jesus’ Son.  From 1999.  The blurb said “bungling drifter becomes enlightened.”  Billy Crudup is so cute!

Jay, take what you like and ignore the rest on this list.  My husband, age 45, came off 50 mg of methadone almost a year ago, with the adept assistance of the spiritchemical, ibogaine.  He is pretty much off the grid right now, or else I’m sure he’d be laughing, guffawing, choking on his breath, and then posting in reply to your query. 

It is definitely an increasingly well-travelled route to freedom from “the juice,” albeit not a totally magic-bullet cure.  Like others have posted, the older you are the “harder” it is to adjust.  Accordingly nutraceuticals, massage, stretching, yoga, saunas, exercise, etc. all seem to have a truly important role in the nature of your physical adjustment to being opie-free.  Try to have a good chunk of time without major responsibility afterward, perhaps even thinking of the month long model of traditional rehabs as having a point to that window of time for healing.  He saw a therapist a few times, but mainly leaned on the list, his angels, and me.  Read deeply into The Ibogaine Dossier if you want some intellectual grist for the mill on it all.  lotsof love, Rachel

From: “Capt Kirk” <captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 23, 2005 at 11:00:57 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Re read his email if you think that was tactful……then my understanding of the word must be completely different to yours….
I thought he was extremely insulting the the general population on here to be honest.

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com [mailto:CallieMimosa@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 1:29 p.m.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

In a message dated 10/23/2005 5:19:39 PM Central Daylight Time, captkirknz@yahoo.co.uk writes:
You are entitled to your opinion, but if you really want help, I suggest a
bit more TACT in your emails.
Wishing you the best
Kirk
You know, I am a bit taken back by your reply to Jay. He asked at the very beginning to bear with him. He is like me….I do not understand most of what you guys are talking about when it comes to speaking with aliens, music that is channeled etc., etc.
The replies I have read that have been directed toward him have been courteous but with an air and attitude about them. That is how I perceived them.
To be such a welcoming group most of the time, you folks have really surprised me. You may have answered his questions but reread your replies.
Sorry, but I think Jay was tactful! You just don’t know how to address you folks sometimes!
I am feeling a bit angry,
Callie

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Relax
Date: October 23, 2005 at 10:28:55 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thank you Brenda, I myself will always keep this in mind.
;-))

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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—– Original Message —–
From: brenda brewer
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Relax

Hi all my brothers and sisters,

Let’s try to relax in any accessible at this time.   I see so much discussion about our addictions, et al.  But, remember that Ibo comes from a lineage that nothing to do with treating addiction.

We discovered that it is an “addiction interrupter.”

Slow down, get a fix if you need to or just know that there are people that love you.

I was talking to a friend on the phone earlier today I we were talking about kindness – ahimsha – kindness to your self and everyone else.

Why get so wound up?  Try to start to unwind and let yourself off the hook.  Just STOP.  The self hurting.

Even if you take another pill, needle or drink stop hurting yourself by hating yourself.  We ARE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS!

And, if you think noone loves you, I do.   So tell yourself, Brenda loves me.

Until you are released into freedom and joy, love still exists – possibility is the only absolute in the universe.

Love,

Brenda
The beautiful mama on the beach in california

From: CallieMimosa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] wedding shot??!!
Date: October 23, 2005 at 10:25:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 10/23/2005 9:04:44 PM Central Daylight Time, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:
No, no hitching, it just looks like it in that photo.
But we consider outselves hitched, even through the rougher stages of our relationship, which I keep reassuring myself we all go through at some point or another.

Yes, we do! We all go through tough times but if we stay committed to each other we come out stronger and more in awe of each other.
I really wish I had understood commitment better in my first marriage. The eighties were such a disposable decade. If it didn’t work like you thought, you just split! That is one thing I regret!
Hang in there with V! Bet you guys will keep doing great!
Callie

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 23, 2005 at 10:25:43 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

MS CONTIN REQUIRE MORE PRODUCT AND DOWNTIME<

Yeah, wish I’d known that the, oh, 5 times I’ve ingested now, two full treatments and three smaller “booster” treatments, non of which ever got rid of the MS withdrawals.
But Howard called me once not so long ago to suggest that NEXT time I stop the MS first for at least a week, and take the ibogaine with only the dilaudid in (or just out) of my system.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

MY FRIEND SAYS THAT IBO KEEPS THAT PESKY DOPE SICKNESS AND THOSE NASTY SYMPTOMS AT BAY UNTIL GONE.  HE SUGGESTS THAT THE LONGER LASTING DOPE LIKE METHADONE, OXY’S , MS CONTIN REQUIRE MORE PRODUCT AND DOWNTIME.  HOW ONE STAYS SOBER AFTER THAT IS ONE’S OWN BUSINESS.  NOT INCONSISTENT W / THE ROOMS….JUST ELIMINATES IN MOST CASES THE BARBARIC 28 DAY CONVENTIONAL PROTOCAL THAT ADDICTIONOLOGISTS INSIST UPON FOLLOWING.  DOPERS MUST SUFFER AND GO THRU HELL TO REALIZE THE WRONGNESS OF THEIR BEHAVIOR BEFORE THEY CAN BE GIVEN THE NEW LIFE OF SOBRIETY.  BULLSHIT.  DOPER’S LIVES SUCK LONG BEFORE THEY GET SOBER AND THEY FUCKIN’ KNOW IT.  STRIPPED OF EVERY SHRED OF FREAKIN’ DIGNITY, MONEY, FRIENDS , FAMILY, CAREERS, HOMES, CARS, BANK ACCOUNTS, TRUST BUT THEY’RE OUT THERE HAVIN FUN SO WE GOT TO MAKE DAMN SURE THEY HURT SOME MORE.  SORRY FOR THE LANGUAGE FOR THE UNINITATED. THEN TO RISK A FED. PROSECUTION THAT CAN LAND SOMEONE LIFE. THINK ANY UP AMD COMING ASST. US ATTY GIVES A RAT’S ASS ABOUT HOW MUCH A DOPER WANTS TO GET WELL OR A PROVIDER’S ALTURISTIC MOTIVES IN HELPING ONE?  THERE IT IS BRO’ HOPE IT PASSES MUSTER, RON—– Original Message —– From: “Jay Willis” <jaywillten@gmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

I’m a little late and coming into the middle of all this so please
bear with me. I don’t know what to make of this place but it looks
like a weird combination of hippy-dippy new age dreck, hardcore
junkies and I don’t know what else.

Who is who? I could honestly give 2 shits about transpersonal
blathering and new age mumbo jumbo by people who have never been
addicted. I’m much more with Callie. Morning Wood, Ron, I’m interested
in what ibogaine does for detox, what then, how does anyone here stay
clean, do any of you who were junkies and stayed clean really do it
through this new age crap? I don’t want to hear the rebirthing
transpersonal nurturing granola sheet, sorry got my fill in the 60’s.
Is there any non blathering after ibogaine treatment or system or
whatnot that works for anyone?

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff method
promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does not
include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain very
pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for psychological
work can be missed.

Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I am
saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills and
insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is a
detox protocol.

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…
Date: October 23, 2005 at 10:19:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have been an addict, still am, and rooms sucked for me.

Peace and love,
Preston Peet

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor “Under the Influence- the Disinformation Guide to Drugs”
Editor “Underground- The Disinformation Guide to Ancient Civilizations, Astonishing Archeology and Hidden History” (due out Sept. 2005)
Cont. High Times mag/.com
Cont. Editor http://www.disinfo.com
Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] unReality, hallucinations, visions, dreams…

I’ve never been an addict, but I hear meetings work great. Even better
if you combine them with some holotropic breathwork and healing
crystals.

Be careful to get a good transpersonal therapist to help you with the
crystals or you might get in trouble and end up chanelling entities
instead 😉

.:vector:.

— Jay Willis <jaywillten@gmail.com> wrote:

Please understand I’m looking for personal experience and help, if
you’ve never been a junkie or have something to sell me, I don’t want
to hear it.

Will ibogaine get me off methadone, 120mg? How will I feel
afterwards?
I’m in that place called desperate, I am not hearing the angels sing
and I definitely don’t need to hear some nebish spout off half-baked
san francisco psych 201 at me. Will I still be dopesick after
ibogaine? Is going to the rooms and doing 12 step meetings any more
reasonable after ibogaine?

Thanks
Jay

On 10/23/05, edward conn <wardconn@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I’d just like to add something more. I did’nt mean the Lotsoff
method
> promoted isolationary/non connective states, more over it does not
> include them specifically as part of its protocol. Thus certain
very
> pertinent and potentially rewarding opportunities for psychological
> work can be missed.
>
> Th emphasis is on letting the ibogaine do what it does. What I am
> saying is…it can do a lot more, but it requires other skills and
> insights and abilities to instigate / set that up. Namely it is a
> detox protocol.
>

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From: Eye of the Bhogi <freedomroot@gmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] J-j-j-jay
Date: October 23, 2005 at 10:09:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>From 4:30 a.m until 6:15 this morning I got sucked into a using/bottoming/recovery film some of you may find inspiring:  Jesus’ Son.  From 1999.  The blurb said “bungling drifter becomes enlightened.”  Billy Crudup is so cute!

Jay, take what you like and ignore the rest on this list.  My husband, age 45, came off 50 mg of methadone almost a year ago, with the adept assistance of the spiritchemical, ibogaine.  He is pretty much off the grid right now, or else I’m sure he’d be laughing, guffawing, choking on his breath, and then posting in reply to your query.

It is definitely an increasingly well-travelled route to freedom from “the juice,” albeit not a totally magic-bullet cure.  Like others have posted, the older you are the “harder” it is to adjust.  Accordingly nutraceuticals, massage, stretching, yoga, saunas, exercise, etc. all seem to have a truly important role in the nature of your physical adjustment to being opie-free.  Try to have a good chunk of time without major responsibility afterward, perhaps even thinking of the month long model of traditional rehabs as having a point to that window of time for healing.  He saw a therapist a few times, but mainly leaned on the list, his angels, and me.  Read deeply into The Ib