From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine sensitivity sting
Date: August 29, 2003 at 10:46:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Aquis18
“> > Any recommendations or otherr possibilties would
be greatly
appreciated. ”
You might enquire on how to use ibogaine, about its
success, risks, give info (a “story”) about your
“family member”… but you didn’t. Most people who are
serious, are interested in such things and ask such
questions.
Many of
the mail order ibo sites offer ibo in forms I’m
not familiar with.
What iboga products are you familiar with? What not?
Didn’t they have descriptions or did you enquire from
the iboga merchant, please provide URL’s to the
products in question?
“> the differences
between,
Indra, root bark extract, crushed root and HCl.
You missed a few. Look at ibogaine.org/manual.html,
there is a section on types of ibogaine products.
Any will work for addiction and yes, there are
differences, dose, potency, body load, duration, some
differences in common side effects, the subjective
effects, what they are better and not better at…
I would like to now how they differ,what they look
like at time of ingestion,
Is that a legal phrase, medical or medical-legal?
dosages, pros and cons of each as well as the
possible world wide
sources to
get specific types.”
LOL, you are so full of SHIT it is too funny, and real
bad at it too. How much do you want to pay me to do
your report for you, very simple…
“> > The ibo
treatment centers say they use the HCL, but they
are expensive.”
You don’t say? Try the Iboga Therapy House, they don’t
use HCL for main treatment and they are free.
“> judge who wants to
know all
the details prior to granting that permission to
travel outside the
US due to
a drug related arrest.. “:
And you are going to tell this judge that your
relative needs to go out of the country for a schedule
1 controlled (hallucinogenic) substance as “treatment”
for drug addiction and you expect that to work, and
you don’t do drugs yourself (be honest even if you are
a doctor).
“> > I would like to order HCl from somewhere and I
would go to another
country to
pick it up if needed. I beleive there would be
other legal issues
involved
here but this is a start. ”
And you always advertise your intent to do illegal
activities on the internet, envite people to join in?
Why thank you so much for the opportunity… maybe
next time.
Brett
— Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Your the same guy who talked to the Star 6 or 7
months ago. So you’re
Jeff Kamlet. If you really want to know what all the
differences are
then why wouldn’t you ask Mash or Patrick. If you
don’t know what they
are then why are you treating ibogaine clients?
If you were being honest you admitted that you plan
to comit crimes.
The only answer I can think of is you want to get
someone busted.
I don’t have the msg. you posted but I’m sure I can
find it in the
index if anyone wants to see it.
The narcs have arrived full force!
This is really cool. First someone has a mental
breakdown and now a
sting!
This is better then TV.
.:vector:.
— AQUIS18@aol.com wrote:
Can anyone properly explain to me and the group
the differences
between,
Indra, root bark extract, crushed root and HCl.
I would like to now how they differ,what they look
like at time of
ingestion,
dosages, pros and cons of each as well as the
possible world wide
sources to
get specific types.
I have a family member who needs help with
Methadone. Money is tight.
Many of
the mail order ibo sites offer ibo in forms I’m
not familiar with.
The ibo
treatment centers say they use the HCL, but they
are expensive.My
relative can
not leave the country with out permission from the
judge who wants to
know all
the details prior to granting that permission to
travel outside the
US due to
a drug related arrest..
I would like to order HCl from somewhere and I
would go to another
country to
pick it up if needed. I beleive there would be
other legal issues
involved
here but this is a start.
Any recommendations or otherr possibilties would
be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Aquis18
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Enlightenment in Baltimore
Date: August 29, 2003 at 8:57:08 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi all,
Here is my take on the American Visionary Art Museum’s “High on Life:
Transcending Addiction” exhibit and the SSDP funraiser held there last
Saturday.
Sometimes, more often than I particularly care for come to think of it,
due to the lack of interest on the part of a lot of the press when it comes
to War on Some Drugs and Users topics (though to be fair, the Washington
Post did a pretty fair job recently in an article about the exhibit and Alex
Grey, linked to in my essay along with a bunch of other links) it behooves
me to write up something about some event or other in which I’ve
participated in some way. So at risk of sounding like I’m giving myself
promotion, here’s the link and an excerpt of the essay, and I urge you to
visit and check out the photos and links I’ve inserted. Plus, if you are
any6where near Baltimore, make sure to visit this exhibit before the 1st as
they shut their doors. Anyone who arrives and tells the folk at the door
they are an addict, or attend meetings, they can get in free, so by all
means, take advantage of the opportunity, it is well worth it. The exhibit
flat out rocks!
Peace and have a great weekend all.
Preston
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor at Large High Times mag/.com
http://www.drugwar.com/pbaltimoretrip.shtm
Enlightenment in Baltimore
by Preston Peet
for DrugWar.com
posted August 29, 2003
(image)
Shawn Heller, Alex Grey, Valerie Vande Panne-
photo- Carolyn Lunman
“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment can often be
mistaken for madness.” With this quote I opened my presentation to the small
audience at the American Visionary Art Museum….
…Three floors high, the museum has for the past 11 months been running the
“High on Life” exhibition (closing its doors Sept. 1, 2003), with well over
a hundred artists’ work on display, all portraying some facet of drugs
illegal and legal. The Washington Post reported (08/23/03) that “Most of the
artists are self-taught; they are addicts, unapologetic users or victims. It
is an exhibition about altered states, and the things we use to take us
there — coffee, cigarettes, cocaine, LSD. It is hellish and it is
heavenish. It is about journeys and trips. And it is filled with wonder.”
snip-
Read Story at above URL
From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Dear: UserGS417@aol.com
Date: August 29, 2003 at 6:35:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Thanks!
I have a mailbox filled with junk from him to delete.
Did he stop or did you remove him?
Carla B
— Gonzo <isl46726@image.dk> wrote:
Thanks Patrick!
Gonzo
—– Original Message —–
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] Dear: UserGS417@aol.com
Dear UserGS417@aol.com;
Uhm … there aren’t actually any particular rules
here. You are not
required to be polite, informative, or even sane.
If you want to have a
bitch-war, well, perhaps it will be highly
cathartic for all involved.
But please stop sending endless messages to the
list, which contain two or
three words, and make no sense whatsoever.
The list already has a pretty high volume of
messages. Adding 25 empty
messages that — literally — say nothing
whatsoever, can get to be pretty
annoying. Which in turn, annoys me, because most
people here do not seem
to understand mail filters, or how to block <YOU>
if they get tired of
reading this. So they send me hate-mail.
I am not saying stop sharing your thoughts; just
try to, ya know, COMPRESS
them all into ONE or two, great big message(s).
Thanks a bunch,
Patrick
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] recent psychedelic artworkz
Date: August 29, 2003 at 6:33:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
That’s beautiful 🙂
Carla B
— Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine sensitivity sting
Date: August 29, 2003 at 5:37:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Your the same guy who talked to the Star 6 or 7 months ago. So you’re
Jeff Kamlet. If you really want to know what all the differences are
then why wouldn’t you ask Mash or Patrick. If you don’t know what they
are then why are you treating ibogaine clients?
If you were being honest you admitted that you plan to comit crimes.
The only answer I can think of is you want to get someone busted.
I don’t have the msg. you posted but I’m sure I can find it in the
index if anyone wants to see it.
The narcs have arrived full force!
This is really cool. First someone has a mental breakdown and now a
sting!
This is better then TV.
.:vector:.
— AQUIS18@aol.com wrote:
Can anyone properly explain to me and the group the differences
between,
Indra, root bark extract, crushed root and HCl.
I would like to now how they differ,what they look like at time of
ingestion,
dosages, pros and cons of each as well as the possible world wide
sources to
get specific types.
I have a family member who needs help with Methadone. Money is tight.
Many of
the mail order ibo sites offer ibo in forms I’m not familiar with.
The ibo
treatment centers say they use the HCL, but they are expensive.My
relative can
not leave the country with out permission from the judge who wants to
know all
the details prior to granting that permission to travel outside the
US due to
a drug related arrest..
I would like to order HCl from somewhere and I would go to another
country to
pick it up if needed. I beleive there would be other legal issues
involved
here but this is a start.
Any recommendations or otherr possibilties would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Aquis18
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From: AQUIS18@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine sensitivity
Date: August 29, 2003 at 3:24:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Can anyone properly explain to me and the group the differences between, Indra, root bark extract, crushed root and HCl.
I would like to now how they differ,what they look like at time of ingestion, dosages, pros and cons of each as well as the possible world wide sources to get specific types.
I have a family member who needs help with Methadone. Money is tight. Many of the mail order ibo sites offer ibo in forms I’m not familiar with. The ibo treatment centers say they use the HCL, but they are expensive.My relative can not leave the country with out permission from the judge who wants to know all the details prior to granting that permission to travel outside the US due to a drug related arrest..
I would like to order HCl from somewhere and I would go to another country to pick it up if needed. I beleive there would be other legal issues involved here but this is a start.
Any recommendations or otherr possibilties would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Aquis18
From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Allison
Date: August 29, 2003 at 6:04:23 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Am not sure why I am even bothering to reply. Your e-mails are total shit and I am not even bothering to open or read them. Its so much easier to push the delete key. If you have something to say then that would be fine. What is it you want or do you not know.
Perhaps you should have a think about things. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Friday, 29 August 2003 2:05:26 a.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Allison
I’m speaking for myself.
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From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine sensitivity
Date: August 28, 2003 at 3:40:37 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I beleive it was 4,200 of the indra extract, looked similer to brown suger in ‘OO’ sized caps (around 20 of them). unfortunatly i had already got the nausea of the sickness and was barely keeping water down at the time, ITH would actually fish it out and recap it for me to try again. I probably would of been like, get the fuck out of here damn junkie if i was the one fishing through puke.
It is such a shame that the deciding factor to dose with iboga(ine) seems to be an issue of vagrancy. I just didn’t have the money, i shouldn’t have been treated due to that and feel very lucky and blessed to have this experience, very much feels like i won a contest or something, very surreal. It was just a miracle when i needed one so very desperatly. Not sure how i would of managed. Too many have had to go cold turkey in jail, poor souls.
—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003, 8:54 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine sensitivity
deartheo,
My understanding is you are being treated at the iboga therapy house. They
appear quite experienced is dosing issues. Discuss it with them. Also,
please
confirm the form of iboga/ibogaine you took: root bark, total iboga extract,
etc.? Thanks on that. On another issues iboga/ibogaine responses regardless
of drugged or drug free can be all over the charts. But, let us know what
your response and dose were when you have been retreated.
Howard
In a message dated 8/28/03 3:00:25 PM, deartheo@ziplip.com writes:
Brett,
I’m glad you mentioned that you are more sensitive to ibogaine when doing
non-detox doses. But i would be lying if i said it didn’t make me a little
concerned. I was concerned that my sensitivity to ‘drugs’ i hadn’t tried
before would make me panic or something on my first dose (to kick methadone),
i had absolutly no problems at all, the test dose was more speed feeling
then the actual dose, so once the actual dose kicked in i was fine, (it
came on me…how do i explain, like this wave of pacific ocean energy
starting
at the base of my spin going up my spin, from the back of my head (over
top of my brain)to the front, then undernieth my brain from front to back
and back down my spin, it was on after that, in a very comfortable,
inlightening,
very spiritual way.
I am concerned about my dose level on a 2nd non-kick iboga dose, because
of my prior sensitivity to new mind altering experiences (i hear the iboga
doesn’t hold back as much or have it’s hands full as much when doing a
non-kick dose), and the fact that at this point in time, i equate an iboga
dose with enlightenment, so naturally taking a daily destructive methadone
dose away, my inner junkie is like “30 iboga trips will = 30 times the
enlightenment, which to me is setting myself up for a unpleasent/bite off
more then i can chew iboga trip, so i see that it deserves respect, not
abuse…i’m probably just thinking about it too much. My first dose was
4,200 root bark for 263 ml methadone, if you were giving a 2nd non-kick
dose, how much would you think is normal considering blah blah blah.
Also, at this point in kicking, the sickness is big time on the run, but
the exhaustion is setting in and i don’t know if a 2nd dose will make me
more exhausted or more rested. I tried kicking around 80 ml Orlaam (time
released evil) cold turkey in june of 99 and to be perfectlly honest, i
haven’t felt well rested since that indescribably horrable experience.
I do feel so very blessed that i was on 4-5 times the dose as then and
only have gone through maybe 5-10% of what the orlaam kick was. As bad
and as exhausting as this experience has been, i’ve always been positive
that it very easily could have been much much, unimaginably worse if i
had kicked 263 without iboga. It is very frustrating to be able to see
the reality of the situation much better post iboga, but still have my
energy stocks so low. I am very pleased that unlike when i kicked orlaam,
this time the sickness isn’t being replaced by anxiety. But it seems i
get more exhausted each day and this is my main concern, when will i feel
well rested again, or will i ever feel well rested again, in which case
i’ll need to prepair to just bite the bullet and get on with what needs
to be done. The only way around this shit is through.
Sorry so long. I would have sent this message line by line but figure
our mail boxes are already full enough (my e-mail was full all day yesterday
and i missed messages that could have been important, i really wouldn’t
mind if their was substance as oppossed to he said she said drama. I assume
we are here to help one another, and if we start over without anger and
vidictive e-mails perhaps we can help each other out as best we can on
an e-mail list serve. Thanks so much for posting that music page with
mp3’s by the way.
From: “Gonzo” <isl46726@image.dk>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Dear: UserGS417@aol.com
Date: August 28, 2003 at 2:16:17 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Thanks Patrick!
Gonzo
—– Original Message —–
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] Dear: UserGS417@aol.com
Dear UserGS417@aol.com;
Uhm … there aren’t actually any particular rules here. You are not
required to be polite, informative, or even sane. If you want to have a
bitch-war, well, perhaps it will be highly cathartic for all involved.
But please stop sending endless messages to the list, which contain two or
three words, and make no sense whatsoever.
The list already has a pretty high volume of messages. Adding 25 empty
messages that — literally — say nothing whatsoever, can get to be pretty
annoying. Which in turn, annoys me, because most people here do not seem
to understand mail filters, or how to block <YOU> if they get tired of
reading this. So they send me hate-mail.
I am not saying stop sharing your thoughts; just try to, ya know, COMPRESS
them all into ONE or two, great big message(s).
Thanks a bunch,
Patrick
From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] recent psychedelic artworkz
Date: August 28, 2003 at 2:12:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
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From: Jennifer <scrakalak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Ibogaine Treatment
Date: August 28, 2003 at 1:34:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi Brett,
I am not in physical pain, well, not much. My back hurts once in a while and that’s what I used as my reason for needing pain meds. An MRI showed some disc problem, but honestly my reason for using is purely for the high. I take 100-140 mg. of oxycontin/percocet daily. It started out about 2 1/2 years ago. I’ve gradually gone up from about 60-80 mg. per day over the past year or two. I’ve quit cold turkey twice only to go back within weeks. I can’t take the pain and depression of another withdraw and don’t seem to have the willpower to quit. Even if I could manage to stop, I feel like I know i’ll go back to it again. I hate that I am stuck here.
I’m very interested in this method of therapy and would welcome insights that seem to made easier by ibogaine. But, of course, am very skeptical and afraid to try it out on my own. I don’t have any friends out of the country nor am I planning a trip anytime soon to receive some. I don’t think I can afford the costs associated with a clinic either though.
I guess I have some time to further investigate since I have a doctor my habit is almost too easy to maintain right now. However, at 31 years old and a mother and wife in a happy and healthy marriage, I know I cannot do this forever and don’t want to destroy my family or myself in the process.
I’m 5 ft. 5 in. 135 lbs. and in good health except my addiction. I enjoy walking, bike riding, yoga and pilates. I’ve had an addictive personality since being a teen, but have always managed to keep it somewhat under control until the physically addicting, every day use of pain killers. I started using them because of the euphoria and energy it gave me. It’s the only drug I currently use. In the past I’ve used marijuana, alcohol, cocaine and amphetamines, pcp, lsd, never daily, but enough!
Believe it or not, my children would be shocked (most of my harder drug days were when I was a teen) as would my neighbors and my extended family. My parents and husband know about this. My husband is a pot smoker and my Dad is also addicted to percocets for 4-5 years, my brother and some of my close friends either have or have had painkiller addictions also. He’s kind of interested in Ibogaine too, but less likely than me to try it. He feels he just need to take the pain and stay off by sheer will power. I’ve seen it takes more than that though. I am highly funtional, have decent relationships, pay my bills, take care of home, cook, clean, take good care of kids, etc. I think I’d be a great candidate for Ibogaine, I’m just afraid. Not afraid of what it’s effects or learning about myself, just afraid, I’ll do more harm to myself or die since I’m not familiar with this drug. I guess I just don’t know where to go from here.
Well, that’s my story. Thanks,
Jennifer
Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jennifer,
Welcome. I will give you my opinion, I suggest you get
others.
First, my name is Brett, I have used ibogaine a number
of times but never for pain-killers. I am a chronic
pain patient.
If I may ask, could you tell us (or me privately) a
little more about yourself; age, reason for pain meds
(is the pain now gone?), what meds and how long,
health… stuff like that.
My opinion is that for the most part, active drug
addicts would do well to try to have ibogaine
administered to them. Someone on pain meds does not
generally qualify as a drug addict… Someone who can
follow instructions/protocol, have a sitter… can do
fine but it isn’t for everyone to “do it yourself”.
There are not that many places to go for medically
supervised ibo treatment (mexico is one), personally
it isn’t my style. It is not too difficult to obtain,
just can’t have it shipped to the USA. SO, for
instance you could have a friend out of the country
and have it delivered to them, maybe you could send it
to a Fedex office to “HOLD FOR CUSTOMER PICKUP” or
have it sent to a hotel when you go on vacation…
Brett
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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Oh well. Buh-bye
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:31:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
On [Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:41:43PM -0400], [UserGS417@aol.com] wrote:
| I’m going to sleep.
Oh well, fuck this. Buh-bye. You just became the first person who has
ever been removed from the list.
Mellow out, bang some dope and stop tweaking — or just, don’t post while
way-fucked — and sign yourself back on.
laterS,
Patrick
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:30:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
On [Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:41:43PM -0400], [UserGS417@aol.com] wrote:
| I’m going to sleep.
Oh well, fuck this. Buh-bye. You just became the first person who has
ever been removed from the list.
Mellow out, bang some dope and stop tweaking — or just, don’t post while
way-fucked — and sign yourself back on.
laterS,
Patrick
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:41:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I’m going to sleep.
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Dear: UserGS417@aol.com
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:27:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear UserGS417@aol.com;
Uhm … there aren’t actually any particular rules here. You are not
required to be polite, informative, or even sane. If you want to have a
bitch-war, well, perhaps it will be highly cathartic for all involved.
But please stop sending endless messages to the list, which contain two or
three words, and make no sense whatsoever.
The list already has a pretty high volume of messages. Adding 25 empty
messages that — literally — say nothing whatsoever, can get to be pretty
annoying. Which in turn, annoys me, because most people here do not seem
to understand mail filters, or how to block <YOU> if they get tired of
reading this. So they send me hate-mail.
I am not saying stop sharing your thoughts; just try to, ya know, COMPRESS
them all into ONE or two, great big message(s).
Thanks a bunch,
Patrick
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:40:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Damn Sure Bitch
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:38:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine sensitivity
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:38:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
— deartheo@ziplip.com wrote:
Brett,
I’m glad you mentioned that you are more sensitive
to ibogaine when doing non-detox doses.
Typically people don’t need as much for non-addiction
use and the cleaner you are the more effective smaller
doses are. I remember still drinking and barely felt
140mg, not a scratch in my drinking, today that much
would be good for a vacation.
But i would
be lying if i said it didn’t make me a little
concerned. …> I am concerned about my dose
level on a 2nd
I hear you but let me toss this in. It is VERY VERY
common to be “concerned”, want to do less, put it off,
not do it… You, me and a bunch of other folks, join
the club, it is “DOSE AVOIDANCE”, plain old fear of
iboga and the eviction of the demons, just fill in the
blank with your reasons/concerns – not that some are
very valid reasons like health, being able to do it
right/take the time… As they say in Brooklyn
not-for-nothin but you backed away from a 2nd dose
while at ITH, or things would be easier now… After
my first dose I did the very same thing, I wanted
less, I was afraid, things would have been easier for
me had I done the full dose and as it turned out I
needed to do them anyway… As the demons left, so did
the fear.
Higher doses and repeated doses are more effective.
non-kick iboga dose, because of my prior sensitivity
to new mind altering experiences (i hear the iboga
doesn’t hold back as much or have it’s hands full as
much when doing a non-kick dose), and the fact that
People tend to have more visions and do stuff like
work on issues, now that the big issue is over
(addiction). WHATEVER is there, whatever you need
next/most, that seems to be what iboga does – in my
experience/opinion. It never fails to surprise me,
each session (full dose) is entirely new, I have
little idea other than the obvious (an iboga trip)
what will happen. Even times when I didn’t think I got
what I needed, I did, sometimes it takes time. Once I
decided to do an iboga booster and not “try” to quit
smoking, smoked right through it then for a week
after. Then (now 14 months later), in the middle of
the day I picked up pack of cigarettes, tossed them in
the garbage and from that instant, I knew I was a
non-smoker. Even with dope, it is not uncommon for
someone to get treated, then use and go “yuck” (or
whatever) and stop/reduce use.
at this point in time, i equate an iboga dose with
enlightenment, so naturally taking a daily
destructive methadone dose away, my inner junkie is
like “30 iboga trips will = 30 times the
enlightenment, which to me is setting myself up for
a unpleasent/bite off more then i can chew iboga
trip, so i see that it deserves respect, not
abuse…i’m probably just thinking about it too
much. My first dose was 4,200 root bark for 263 ml
methadone, if you were giving a 2nd non-kick dose,
how much would you think is normal considering blah
blah blah.
“Normal” is kind of relative.
I don’t know the details of you/your treatment but
unless you had a problem with that dose (4.2 of ?
Indra extract?, just pure “4.2 gm root bark” I know it
isn’t) being too much I see no reason you can’t do
that or even more. You are still treating addiction
(though you are clean), the further away from the
addiction/the less you need your ass kicked… the
lower the dose you will need. IMO, it might be a good
idea to get another nice full dose to clear you. All
things considered, if you did it (and you did) because
of the delay and extra healing/cleaning you will get
more out of your 2nd dose then if you had done it
right away, IMO.
Also, at this point in kicking, the sickness is big
time on the run, but the exhaustion is setting in
and i don’t know if a 2nd dose will make me more
exhausted or more rested. I tried kicking around 80
Another treatment should clear the tireness, likely
HCL would do better IMO, or rather mixed is what I
would do.
ml Orlaam (time released evil) cold turkey in june
of 99 and to be perfectlly honest, i haven’t felt
well rested since that indescribably horrable
experience.
The higher (and repeated) the ibogaine dose the more
effective it will be at clearing things like that,
IMO.
But it seems i get more exhausted each day and this
is my main concern, when will i feel well rested
again, or will i ever feel well rested again, in
yadda yadda… I would dose again, if not it may get a
bit worse before it gets better – as the iboga wears
off – IMO, yadda yadda, tend to. In my own addiction I
have known that for a fact and have come to a point
(with life/drugs) I never believed could happen, so
there is hope for you (lol).
which case i’ll need to prepair to just bite the
bullet and get on with what needs to be done. The
DOSE! and don’t scrimp on the iboga. You are doing
fine BTW, you are what is commonly called “ready”.
Brett
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From: “Faye, Shawn” <Shawn.Faye@NorthSafety.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:39:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
How do I get off this list?
—–Original Message—–
From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 8:45 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
That’s really cool! I don’t think anyone has ever lost their mind while
posting to the list before.
Being crazy before you got here does not count.
.:vector:.
— ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com> wrote:
— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
any particular reason we’re having one side of the
conversation shared with us?
Peace,
Preston
Hi Preston, the reason is because there IS only one
side of the conversation. There has been no off-list
communication between me and UserGS417 – what you see
is what you get. If there is another side, it’s
happening entirely in UserGS417’s head.
So please, UserGS417, give it a rest and leave the
list alone – unless you have something constructive to
say. Thanks for your initial praise of my posting
though.
a.
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From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:37:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
It sure is.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:33:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
It sure is.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:31:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
It sure is.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:29:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:27:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Are you retarded?
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:25:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Yeah Well
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:23:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
That’s my busines.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Metagirl
Date: August 28, 2003 at 12:19:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
She’s cool,unlike you.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:54:18 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In a message dated 8/28/2003 9:15:09 AM Central Daylight Time, UserGS417@aol.com writes:
Yep,Whore
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:50:42 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Yep
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:46:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I’m ssooooooooooooooo tired of this.
Bye
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:43:55 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tried to trick me,bitch.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:40:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Too bad.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:38:31 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Stopping.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:34:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sorry, you’re the wrong person.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:30:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
You’re so cool.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:29:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Get a life.
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine sensitivity
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:28:07 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
deartheo,
My understanding is you are being treated at the iboga therapy house. They
appear quite experienced is dosing issues. Discuss it with them. Also, please
confirm the form of iboga/ibogaine you took: root bark, total iboga extract,
etc.? Thanks on that. On another issues iboga/ibogaine responses regardless
of drugged or drug free can be all over the charts. But, let us know what
your response and dose were when you have been retreated.
Howard
In a message dated 8/28/03 3:00:25 PM, deartheo@ziplip.com writes:
Brett,
I’m glad you mentioned that you are more sensitive to ibogaine when doing
non-detox doses. But i would be lying if i said it didn’t make me a little
concerned. I was concerned that my sensitivity to ‘drugs’ i hadn’t tried
before would make me panic or something on my first dose (to kick methadone),
i had absolutly no problems at all, the test dose was more speed feeling
then the actual dose, so once the actual dose kicked in i was fine, (it
came on me…how do i explain, like this wave of pacific ocean energy
starting
at the base of my spin going up my spin, from the back of my head (over
top of my brain)to the front, then undernieth my brain from front to back
and back down my spin, it was on after that, in a very comfortable,
inlightening,
very spiritual way.
I am concerned about my dose level on a 2nd non-kick iboga dose, because
of my prior sensitivity to new mind altering experiences (i hear the iboga
doesn’t hold back as much or have it’s hands full as much when doing a
non-kick dose), and the fact that at this point in time, i equate an iboga
dose with enlightenment, so naturally taking a daily destructive methadone
dose away, my inner junkie is like “30 iboga trips will = 30 times the
enlightenment, which to me is setting myself up for a unpleasent/bite off
more then i can chew iboga trip, so i see that it deserves respect, not
abuse…i’m probably just thinking about it too much. My first dose was
4,200 root bark for 263 ml methadone, if you were giving a 2nd non-kick
dose, how much would you think is normal considering blah blah blah.
Also, at this point in kicking, the sickness is big time on the run, but
the exhaustion is setting in and i don’t know if a 2nd dose will make me
more exhausted or more rested. I tried kicking around 80 ml Orlaam (time
released evil) cold turkey in june of 99 and to be perfectlly honest, i
haven’t felt well rested since that indescribably horrable experience.
I do feel so very blessed that i was on 4-5 times the dose as then and
only have gone through maybe 5-10% of what the orlaam kick was. As bad
and as exhausting as this experience has been, i’ve always been positive
that it very easily could have been much much, unimaginably worse if i
had kicked 263 without iboga. It is very frustrating to be able to see
the reality of the situation much better post iboga, but still have my
energy stocks so low. I am very pleased that unlike when i kicked orlaam,
this time the sickness isn’t being replaced by anxiety. But it seems i
get more exhausted each day and this is my main concern, when will i feel
well rested again, or will i ever feel well rested again, in which case
i’ll need to prepair to just bite the bullet and get on with what needs
to be done. The only way around this shit is through.
Sorry so long. I would have sent this message line by line but figure
our mail boxes are already full enough (my e-mail was full all day yesterday
and i missed messages that could have been important, i really wouldn’t
mind if their was substance as oppossed to he said she said drama. I assume
we are here to help one another, and if we start over without anger and
vidictive e-mails perhaps we can help each other out as best we can on
an e-mail list serve. Thanks so much for posting that music page with
mp3’s by the way.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:20:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:17:08 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:08:30 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
You can’t read that? Pity you.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:05:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
You can’t read that? Pity you.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 11:03:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
You can’t read that? Pity you.
From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine sensitivity
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:50:36 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Brett,
I’m glad you mentioned that you are more sensitive to ibogaine when doing non-detox doses. But i would be lying if i said it didn’t make me a little concerned. I was concerned that my sensitivity to ‘drugs’ i hadn’t tried before would make me panic or something on my first dose (to kick methadone), i had absolutly no problems at all, the test dose was more speed feeling then the actual dose, so once the actual dose kicked in i was fine, (it came on me…how do i explain, like this wave of pacific ocean energy starting at the base of my spin going up my spin, from the back of my head (over top of my brain)to the front, then undernieth my brain from front to back and back down my spin, it was on after that, in a very comfortable, inlightening, very spiritual way.
I am concerned about my dose level on a 2nd non-kick iboga dose, because of my prior sensitivity to new mind altering experiences (i hear the iboga doesn’t hold back as much or have it’s hands full as much when doing a non-kick dose), and the fact that at this point in time, i equate an iboga dose with enlightenment, so naturally taking a daily destructive methadone dose away, my inner junkie is like “30 iboga trips will = 30 times the enlightenment, which to me is setting myself up for a unpleasent/bite off more then i can chew iboga trip, so i see that it deserves respect, not abuse…i’m probably just thinking about it too much. My first dose was 4,200 root bark for 263 ml methadone, if you were giving a 2nd non-kick dose, how much would you think is normal considering blah blah blah.
Also, at this point in kicking, the sickness is big time on the run, but the exhaustion is setting in and i don’t know if a 2nd dose will make me more exhausted or more rested. I tried kicking around 80 ml Orlaam (time released evil) cold turkey in june of 99 and to be perfectlly honest, i haven’t felt well rested since that indescribably horrable experience.
I do feel so very blessed that i was on 4-5 times the dose as then and only have gone through maybe 5-10% of what the orlaam kick was. As bad and as exhausting as this experience has been, i’ve always been positive that it very easily could have been much much, unimaginably worse if i had kicked 263 without iboga. It is very frustrating to be able to see the reality of the situation much better post iboga, but still have my energy stocks so low. I am very pleased that unlike when i kicked orlaam, this time the sickness isn’t being replaced by anxiety. But it seems i get more exhausted each day and this is my main concern, when will i feel well rested again, or will i ever feel well rested again, in which case i’ll need to prepair to just bite the bullet and get on with what needs to be done. The only way around this shit is through.
Sorry so long. I would have sent this message line by line but figure our mail boxes are already full enough (my e-mail was full all day yesterday and i missed messages that could have been important, i really wouldn’t mind if their was substance as oppossed to he said she said drama. I assume we are here to help one another, and if we start over without anger and vidictive e-mails perhaps we can help each other out as best we can on an e-mail list serve. Thanks so much for posting that music page with mp3’s by the way.
—–Original Message—–
From: Brett Calabrese [mailto:bcalabrese@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003, 6:07 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine dreaming
Metagrrl
sitter sometime when I can also take a week off
work.
It is not likely you will need a week IMO. One thing
is you are not addicted and fairly clean, you seem to
react well, don’t have a shitload of demons to kill
and don’t need to detox or take an anti-addictive dose
(yadda yadda), 12mg/kg should do fine. Which comes
down to a couple days at most being likely.
Hmm, so 600 mg. within months of my first dose might
be stronger than I expect…I’ll keep that in mind,
thanks
Please note that there is enough of a difference to
matter with just going from 10 to 12mg/kg or from
12mg/kg to 15. The hardest I was ever hit (came on)
with ibo was after a couple days of low dosing then
600mg of HCL disolved in warm water… It was the only
time I did ibogaine alone (started it), after it was
only 600mg (previously did 1,150) and it was the only
time I felt that aloneness, while under ibogaine, not
nice.
I do notice things seem “different” lately in some
hard to define way.
LOL, I understand. Some people don’t notice the subtle
changes, many of which you cannot easily tell but they
are there.
One difference is that I seem
to
have more “visuals” coming up when I’m meditating or
relaxing,
Yes, meditation/Yoga will bring “IT” back, the ibo
feeling. Once you are fully initiated it will become
easier to do even months later. Careful over doing
back-to-back doses of ibo, if you
over-load/over-stimulate, that nice thing that lasts
for monthss can become a less than nice thing that
takes months to clear. It isn’t something you want to
or can do one weekend, then do the next (or next) in
any amounts.
One thing you may want to try is a tiny dose like
20mg, maybe on a day you need to be clearer/crisper,
at your best, challenged, and emotionally challenged,
doing something harder – or maybe just a day to
yourself. If you watch you will see very subtle
changes, things that might have been difficult come
out clearly and easily. If you were an active addict
trying this it would do next to nothing by itself.
ALso, once you are fully initiated these smaller doses
are more effective, you will be more sensitive. I can
“feel” the slightest taste of ibo, way less than 1mg.
The other dose of HCL I like to do is about 2mg/kg, or
anywhere between 100mg and 150mg. Great for couples
therapy, before say a long weekend, a quick
“vacation”… Again, this dose is different while
clean and would do next to nothing while “using”,
except as a “tester” – IMVHO of course. Different
people, different time in their lives, different use,
different effects… It is much different with the
demons gone than while still resident.
I haven’t had any caffeine since I took ibogaine,
I’ve
been trying to cut it out for a while and it seems
easier than usual to stay away from it.
I gave up most of my coffee drinking, so did Vivian
(my Fiancee). More by, “ibogaine did it” than any
effort.
Brett
Otherwise I’ll try a lower dose, in the 600 mg.
range.
Also, ibogaine is not just the “trip”, it is in
you,
it is now part of you, still working and will do
so
for weeks/months. If you do another dose closer it
will tend to be stronger as you are already
“primed”
with nor-ibogaine… It will become clearer the
more
you do it., BE CAREFUL.
Hmm, so 600 mg. within months of my first dose might
be stronger than I expect…I’ll keep that in mind,
thanks.
I do notice things seem “different” lately in some
hard to define way. One difference is that I seem
to
have more “visuals” coming up when I’m meditating or
relaxing, also memories seem more present and
compelling. What I mean is, an image or a strong
memory will pop into my head at random intervals.
This is hardly something unknown to me in the past,
it
just seems more frequent and a little more
compelling.
I’ve also had three experiences of intense
hypnagogia
(hallucinatory phenomena at the onset of sleep) in
the
last two weeks, much more frequent than usual. Has
anyone else noticed lingering effects of ibogaine on
their dreaming patterns?
I haven’t had any caffeine since I took ibogaine,
I’ve
been trying to cut it out for a while and it seems
easier than usual to stay away from it. It’s
possible
that the lack of caffeine is affecting my dream
patterns, i.e. the hypnagogic phenomena.
a.
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From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:51:41 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Read the most recent Send Now.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:48:47 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Send To: reads; ibogaine@mindvox.com. I suggest you read: Subject.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:42:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Can’t read.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine:Useless
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:39:43 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Useless:
Metagirl and Preston are people with whom I’d like to conferse with, unlike youself. STOPPING.
You Know Who:
usergs
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:26:49 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Stopping.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:13:46 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Stopping.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:13:01 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Stopping.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:11:53 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I’m stopping your immature games. Try some ibo.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine GS417@aol.com
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:05:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Point well taken.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Allison
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:04:26 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I’m speaking for myself.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 10:02:40 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Stop already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get a Life…..obviously ibogaine did NOT work for you.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine GS417@aol.com
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:58:22 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
For “God’s” sake………….you are such a baby!!!!!!!!!!! ”
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Allison
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:54:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I’m not “clogging up” nor being a “brat”. Just simply replying.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine GS417@aol.com
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:48:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I simply hit “reply’. I reinterate, “Grow Up”.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:44:41 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Grow Up!!!!!
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:40:49 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Evidently you didn’t read the post before the one that pissed you off.
usergs417@aol.com
From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Ibogaine Treatment
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:33:23 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Jennifer,
Welcome. I will give you my opinion, I suggest you get
others.
First, my name is Brett, I have used ibogaine a number
of times but never for pain-killers. I am a chronic
pain patient.
If I may ask, could you tell us (or me privately) a
little more about yourself; age, reason for pain meds
(is the pain now gone?), what meds and how long,
health… stuff like that.
My opinion is that for the most part, active drug
addicts would do well to try to have ibogaine
administered to them. Someone on pain meds does not
generally qualify as a drug addict… Someone who can
follow instructions/protocol, have a sitter… can do
fine but it isn’t for everyone to “do it yourself”.
There are not that many places to go for medically
supervised ibo treatment (mexico is one), personally
it isn’t my style. It is not too difficult to obtain,
just can’t have it shipped to the USA. SO, for
instance you could have a friend out of the country
and have it delivered to them, maybe you could send it
to a Fedex office to “HOLD FOR CUSTOMER PICKUP” or
have it sent to a hotel when you go on vacation…
Brett
— Jennifer <scrakalak@yahoo.com> wrote:
I’m new to the group, just trying to find more
information to get help treating my opiate
addiction. I’m hooked on painkillers and think
Ibogaine would a good treatment option, if I could
get it. I would feel better doing it in a
supervised setting, but it seems I’ll have to go out
of the country since it’s no available here in the
U.S. Any tips how you get it or is it too dangerous
to try on your own?? Thanks,
Jennifer
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:00:43 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Are you actually trying to say something or just clogging up mail lists by being a pratt. Would love to know what you are on???
Can you please get it together or give up. Thanks Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Thursday, 28 August 2003 8:06:59 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
My point exacty?????????????????????/////////////////////////
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine GS417@aol.com
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:11:16 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
UserGS417@aol.com
You are replying without including the message so I
have no clue which one of the half dozen+ messages you
replied to, what it is about or who the reply is
intended for.
So, as I did below, please include what it is you are
ranting about and who it is addressed to. Your email
goes to hundreds of people, all at once, it is a
“list”, not one persons particular mail box.
OR
You could also do something like;
HEY JOE,
YOU SAID “bla bla bla”
I disagree.
ME.
TIA,
Brett
— UserGS417@aol.com wrote:
A) Get a Life
B)You’ve never done drugs before?
C No, I won’t stop posting…………..so keep on
hoping
usergs417@aol.com
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine dreaming
Date: August 28, 2003 at 9:00:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Metagrrl
sitter sometime when I can also take a week off
work.
It is not likely you will need a week IMO. One thing
is you are not addicted and fairly clean, you seem to
react well, don’t have a shitload of demons to kill
and don’t need to detox or take an anti-addictive dose
(yadda yadda), 12mg/kg should do fine. Which comes
down to a couple days at most being likely.
Hmm, so 600 mg. within months of my first dose might
be stronger than I expect…I’ll keep that in mind,
thanks
Please note that there is enough of a difference to
matter with just going from 10 to 12mg/kg or from
12mg/kg to 15. The hardest I was ever hit (came on)
with ibo was after a couple days of low dosing then
600mg of HCL disolved in warm water… It was the only
time I did ibogaine alone (started it), after it was
only 600mg (previously did 1,150) and it was the only
time I felt that aloneness, while under ibogaine, not
nice.
I do notice things seem “different” lately in some
hard to define way.
LOL, I understand. Some people don’t notice the subtle
changes, many of which you cannot easily tell but they
are there.
One difference is that I seem
to
have more “visuals” coming up when I’m meditating or
relaxing,
Yes, meditation/Yoga will bring “IT” back, the ibo
feeling. Once you are fully initiated it will become
easier to do even months later. Careful over doing
back-to-back doses of ibo, if you
over-load/over-stimulate, that nice thing that lasts
for monthss can become a less than nice thing that
takes months to clear. It isn’t something you want to
or can do one weekend, then do the next (or next) in
any amounts.
One thing you may want to try is a tiny dose like
20mg, maybe on a day you need to be clearer/crisper,
at your best, challenged, and emotionally challenged,
doing something harder – or maybe just a day to
yourself. If you watch you will see very subtle
changes, things that might have been difficult come
out clearly and easily. If you were an active addict
trying this it would do next to nothing by itself.
ALso, once you are fully initiated these smaller doses
are more effective, you will be more sensitive. I can
“feel” the slightest taste of ibo, way less than 1mg.
The other dose of HCL I like to do is about 2mg/kg, or
anywhere between 100mg and 150mg. Great for couples
therapy, before say a long weekend, a quick
“vacation”… Again, this dose is different while
clean and would do next to nothing while “using”,
except as a “tester” – IMVHO of course. Different
people, different time in their lives, different use,
different effects… It is much different with the
demons gone than while still resident.
I haven’t had any caffeine since I took ibogaine,
I’ve
been trying to cut it out for a while and it seems
easier than usual to stay away from it.
I gave up most of my coffee drinking, so did Vivian
(my Fiancee). More by, “ibogaine did it” than any
effort.
Brett
Otherwise I’ll try a lower dose, in the 600 mg.
range.
Also, ibogaine is not just the “trip”, it is in
you,
it is now part of you, still working and will do
so
for weeks/months. If you do another dose closer it
will tend to be stronger as you are already
“primed”
with nor-ibogaine… It will become clearer the
more
you do it., BE CAREFUL.
Hmm, so 600 mg. within months of my first dose might
be stronger than I expect…I’ll keep that in mind,
thanks.
I do notice things seem “different” lately in some
hard to define way. One difference is that I seem
to
have more “visuals” coming up when I’m meditating or
relaxing, also memories seem more present and
compelling. What I mean is, an image or a strong
memory will pop into my head at random intervals.
This is hardly something unknown to me in the past,
it
just seems more frequent and a little more
compelling.
I’ve also had three experiences of intense
hypnagogia
(hallucinatory phenomena at the onset of sleep) in
the
last two weeks, much more frequent than usual. Has
anyone else noticed lingering effects of ibogaine on
their dreaming patterns?
I haven’t had any caffeine since I took ibogaine,
I’ve
been trying to cut it out for a while and it seems
easier than usual to stay away from it. It’s
possible
that the lack of caffeine is affecting my dream
patterns, i.e. the hypnagogic phenomena.
a.
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From: Jennifer <scrakalak@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Ibogaine Treatment
Date: August 28, 2003 at 7:53:35 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I’m new to the group, just trying to find more information to get help treating my opiate addiction. I’m hooked on painkillers and think Ibogaine would a good treatment option, if I could get it. I would feel better doing it in a supervised setting, but it seems I’ll have to go out of the country since it’s no available here in the U.S. Any tips how you get it or is it too dangerous to try on your own?? Thanks,
Jennifer
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From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 3:59:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
My point exacty?????????????????????/////////////////////////
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 3:33:01 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
At least I slept mine off, what’shat’s so “inexplicable” about my bedtime???????????
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 3:19:02 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Go to bed,isn’t it past your bedtime?
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 3:11:12 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
A) Get a Life
B)You’ve never done drugs before?
C No, I won’t stop posting…………..so keep on hoping
usergs417@aol.com
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 2:26:33 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Fellow-Ibo Users:
I was on multibile drugs when I wrote that e-mail. I don’t even remenber writing it. Sorry.
usergs417@aol.com
From: Bill Ross <ross@cgl.ucsf.edu>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 28, 2003 at 1:30:31 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I wonder if the theta-wave enhancement of the bwiti
music would lower that threshold?
It’s interesting you should mention that, early on in
my trip I listened to a theta-entrainment CD with
headphones for relaxation; I forgot to mention that in
my trip report. The theta connection makes sense, and
I’ll definately use it again the next time I try
ibogaine. I’d like to listen to some of the Bwiti
music some time also.
It’s on that web page, in mp3 format. I like those samples
better than the CD that is available (“Music from an
Equatorial Microcosm, Fang Bwiti Music from Gabon Republic,
Africa,” Smithsonian Folkways FE 4214).
The page again:
http://www.musictherapyworld.de/modules/mmmagazine/showarticle.php?articletoshow=63
I would be curious how it compares with the theta-entrainment
music, and if anyone knows of anything else similar. The
participatory music of “ta ke ti na” (http://www.taketina.com)
seems similar in principle, aiming to integrate by polyrhythm.
Bill Ross
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 28, 2003 at 1:16:42 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Oh, I sometimes envy that sort of mind- (other than for the rudeness) the
one that lives in such a different reality to the rest of us, even
apparently without extra substances- although I could be completely wrong on
that count and User is completely ripped on something or other beyond the
natural kinks that can occur.
Loved the report ad astra.
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: “ad astra” <metagrrl@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 10:45 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
any particular reason we’re having one side of the
conversation shared with us?
Peace,
Preston
Hi Preston, the reason is because there IS only one
side of the conversation. There has been no off-list
communication between me and UserGS417 – what you see
is what you get. If there is another side, it’s
happening entirely in UserGS417’s head.
So please, UserGS417, give it a rest and leave the
list alone – unless you have something constructive to
say. Thanks for your initial praise of my posting
though.
a.
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 27, 2003 at 11:45:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
That’s really cool! I don’t think anyone has ever lost their mind while
posting to the list before.
Being crazy before you got here does not count.
.:vector:.
— ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com> wrote:
— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
any particular reason we’re having one side of the
conversation shared with us?
Peace,
Preston
Hi Preston, the reason is because there IS only one
side of the conversation. There has been no off-list
communication between me and UserGS417 – what you see
is what you get. If there is another side, it’s
happening entirely in UserGS417’s head.
So please, UserGS417, give it a rest and leave the
list alone – unless you have something constructive to
say. Thanks for your initial praise of my posting
though.
a.
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From: ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 11:27:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
— Bill Ross <ross@cgl.ucsf.edu> wrote:
You did a dose and got a similar reaction as I do
in
that dose range, it just isn’t enough, something
is
missing… I need and so does Vivian about
12mg/kg,
maybe 10 (on a good day) to break through. That is
not
to say you can’t with a lower dose, just that I
don’t,
some people do.
I wonder if the theta-wave enhancement of the bwiti
music would
lower that threshold?
It’s interesting you should mention that, early on in
my trip I listened to a theta-entrainment CD with
headphones for relaxation; I forgot to mention that in
my trip report. The theta connection makes sense, and
I’ll definately use it again the next time I try
ibogaine. I’d like to listen to some of the Bwiti
music some time also.
a.
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From: ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: ibogaine dreaming
Date: August 27, 2003 at 11:25:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
— Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com> wrote:
metagrrl,
You did a dose and got a similar reaction as I do in
that dose range, it just isn’t enough, something is
missing… I need and so does Vivian about 12mg/kg,
maybe 10 (on a good day) to break through. That is
not
to say you can’t with a lower dose, just that I
don’t,
some people do.
Hi Brett
Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I want to do a full-on
“breaking open the head” dose, but only if I can get a
sitter sometime when I can also take a week off work.
Otherwise I’ll try a lower dose, in the 600 mg. range.
Also, ibogaine is not just the “trip”, it is in you,
it is now part of you, still working and will do so
for weeks/months. If you do another dose closer it
will tend to be stronger as you are already “primed”
with nor-ibogaine… It will become clearer the more
you do it., BE CAREFUL.
Hmm, so 600 mg. within months of my first dose might
be stronger than I expect…I’ll keep that in mind,
thanks.
I do notice things seem “different” lately in some
hard to define way. One difference is that I seem to
have more “visuals” coming up when I’m meditating or
relaxing, also memories seem more present and
compelling. What I mean is, an image or a strong
memory will pop into my head at random intervals.
This is hardly something unknown to me in the past, it
just seems more frequent and a little more compelling.
I’ve also had three experiences of intense hypnagogia
(hallucinatory phenomena at the onset of sleep) in the
last two weeks, much more frequent than usual. Has
anyone else noticed lingering effects of ibogaine on
their dreaming patterns?
I haven’t had any caffeine since I took ibogaine, I’ve
been trying to cut it out for a while and it seems
easier than usual to stay away from it. It’s possible
that the lack of caffeine is affecting my dream
patterns, i.e. the hypnagogic phenomena.
a.
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From: ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: inexplicable messages from UserGS417
Date: August 27, 2003 at 10:45:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
— Preston Peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
any particular reason we’re having one side of the
conversation shared with us?
Peace,
Preston
Hi Preston, the reason is because there IS only one
side of the conversation. There has been no off-list
communication between me and UserGS417 – what you see
is what you get. If there is another side, it’s
happening entirely in UserGS417’s head.
So please, UserGS417, give it a rest and leave the
list alone – unless you have something constructive to
say. Thanks for your initial praise of my posting
though.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 10:24:56 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
any particular reason we’re having one side of the conversation shared with us?
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: UserGS417@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Dear Informationless,
Proper intro and closeing is insention. Lean how to properly do it. I’m through with you. NO more e-mails.
Adios,usergs417@aol.com
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 10:24:25 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I only tried ketamine once and had a threshold
experience. It had a similar feeling of falling
asleep and going into a dreamlike realm. Reality
became very fluid. The feelings of disconnection from
my body, numbness, lack of coordination were similar.
However, it didn’t seem to have the “personal” aspect
of ibogaine. In fact it felt like I was going into a
non-human realm. <
Having mainlined the stuff on one long evening and night, lots of it right
into the vein, I can personally say that yes indeed, there was definitely a
“non-human realm” involved, although in my own case there most certainly was
the whole leaving my body and floating up and out, then seeing a timeline of
my life, past, present and future, that I could see every timy detail of. I
could remember clearly the furture stuff for more than a couple of moments
after coming to afterwards, but it was amazing and gave me lots of hope, at
a time when I was seriously way, way, way strung out on speedballs.
Anyway, just sayin’
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: “ad astra” <metagrrl@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
I think that virtually all of us who have taken
ibogaine consider it a very
interesting and beneficial substance. If you have
other entheogen experience,
how would you compare it? I find it unique. You
can really get an
understanding of how your mind is working and who
you are.
I’ve experienced a variety of entheogens in the past
but none were much like ibogaine with the exception of
ketamine. What it did feel like was dreaming. The
physical sensations (pulsing of energy) reminded me of
what it feels like on those too-rare occasions when I
fall asleep consciously; and the way I was
experiencing my mind reminded me a lot of dreaming. I
definately think there is a strong connection between
the ibogaine state and the dreaming process.
I only tried ketamine once and had a threshold
experience. It had a similar feeling of falling
asleep and going into a dreamlike realm. Reality
became very fluid. The feelings of disconnection from
my body, numbness, lack of coordination were similar.
However, it didn’t seem to have the “personal” aspect
of ibogaine. In fact it felt like I was going into a
non-human realm. My main thought with ketamine was
“If this is what dying feels like – and I wouldn’t be
surprised – then it’s not bad at all! Nothing to be
afraid of here!” With both ketamine and ibogaine I
feel I was only scratching the surface, so I wouldn’t
draw any solid conclusions at this point. And
although I plan to try ibogaine again, I don’t plan to
try ketamine any time soon (unless maybe it becomes
legalized for uses other than surgery).
a.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 10:19:06 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
sigh, I still wanna try this.
like the right up front openess about using with an “interest in
ibogaine is primarily for personal growth and spiritual exploration” as that
is the primary reason I’d like to do it as well.
I’m thinking along the lines lately of “why should I have to claim
medical necessity” to use anything? Why should I have to claim “it for my
religion” to use? Why can’t I use whatever for whatever reason I deem fit
and proper?
This has been a recent thread on the DrugWar list (stemming from a
review of Jacob Sullum’s “Saying Yes: In Defense of Drug Use” I’ve posted at
DrugWar.com by Richard Glen Boire of the Center of Cognitive Liberty and
Ethics), and it seems to me that while we aren’t living in an ideal world
and most people will not listen to any debate/argument promoting drug law
reform that is couched in said terms, that I should be able to use whatever
for whatever my own reasons, I don’t particularly think it’s right to have
to be strung out to be “allowed” or “justified” in taking Ibogaine, so….
Metagrrl, you are awesome and I am happy to know that you are out there.
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
I think that virtually all of us who have taken ibogaine consider it a
very
interesting and beneficial substance. If you have other entheogen
experience,
how would you compare it? I find it unique. You can really get an
understanding of how your mind is working and who you are.
Howard
In a message dated 8/27/03 10:34:02 PM, metagrrl@yahoo.com writes:
My interest in ibogaine is primarily for personal
growth and spiritual exploration. I had planned to
take 1000 mg. or more, but was unable to get a sitter
for the time I planned to take it, so finally I
decided to take a smaller dose, and took
400mg. one morning by myself. That works out to
approximately 5 mg/kg, about half the dose I’d
originally planned on. The ibogaine (98%pure ibogaine
hydrochloride) was obtained from
ethnogarden (http://www.ethnogarden.com/main.html).
The first thing I noticed was subtle body sensations,
ramping up to powerful pulses, especially in my arms.
I’ve heard that muscles at rest have a rapid rythmic
pulsing that we are not normally conscious of, and I
speculate that I may have been sensing that. The
sensations became more pervasive, like currents of
energy throughout my body – sort of like ants crawling
all over me, but I chose not to dwell on that
comparison. It felt to me as though my subtle energy
body (I may be speaking metaphorically here) was
beoming active, expanding and unfolding. My visual
field didn’t alter much; I kept expecting a visual,
dreamlike sequence to start but it never quite did.
However, I noticed that my thoughts were becoming
quite bizarre, and that’s when I realized I was in
fact tripping fairly hard. It was as though dreams
were happening in my mind, and I could sense them but
not quite see them – as though they were separated
from the part of my mind that I was consciously
identified with by a dark curtain. I’ve had this sort
of feeling before, both under the influence of
psychedelics and in other altered states, such as in
the hypnagogic state.
The dreamlike thought that triggered my awareness that
I was tripping was the following. I “saw” two men
facing each other on a city street, making eye
contact. They suddenly jump in unison into a void –
an infinate black nothingness. Just as suddenly they
are back on the street, still making eye contact, at
which point they run screaming in opposite directions.
For two to three hours I was in a very fluid dreamlike
space. I would imagine all sorts of things, often
very personal – e.g. the autopsy of someone I loved
who died a couple of years ago, followed by my own
autopsy. My thoughts ranged all over the map, from
that sort of personal material, to the evolution of
consciousness, to how politicians distract us from
important issues with spectacular trivia. At the
point I was thinking about that, I remembered reading
that people will have visions under ibogaine that seem
to be about global events, but can more usefully be
analyzed as a sort of dream, being symbolically about
your own life. (For example, someone might imagine a
horrible impending war, but it could really mirror a
conflict in their own psyche.) I started asking
myself if that was true in my case, and thinking about
how I might use these same sort of distraction
techniques. Around this time I started getting a
strange fluttering distortion in the upper left
periphery of my visual field, and began to divert my
attention to it to see if it would unfold into
something more revealing. Then I realized that this
was an excellant example of distracting oneself from
more important matters. The next day, still thinking
of this image, I realized that I often use
intellectual thought as a way of distracting myself
from a more direct confrontation with my issues.
I feel I was only scratching the surface of the
ibogaine state, but I can see the potential of this
substance as a tool for self-exploration.
I did not experience nausea per se, but during the
peak of the trip my head felt strange, and I felt
somewhat disconnected from my body. I was able to walk
to the bathroom when necessary, slowly and with a bit
of difficulty. I felt spacey and lethargic for quite
a while after I took it, not recovering fully in that
sense for about three days.
I felt quite capable of dealing with this doseage
alone (fortunately, since I didn’t have a sitter), but
I think at a significantly increased dose a sitter
would be a really good idea. I plan to take a gram or
so sometime in the next few months if I can get a
sitter, or if not I’ll take 600 mg. next time. I
definately want to experience ibogaine at a deeper
level after this initial experience.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 10:02:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 10:02:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 9:56:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I know that being crazy is accepted or even encouraged here. But if
you’re going to start some kind of strange homosexual email exchange,
either keep it in personal email or share the whole story.
What you’re doing is confusing.
Metagrrl what’s your side of the story?
.:vector:.
— UserGS417@aol.com wrote:
Dear MetaGirl,
Don’t you know how to properly introduce yourself, and close the
letter? Take
a hink from me.
Regars, usergs417@aol.com
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From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 9:51:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Informationless,
Proper intro and closeing is insention. Lean how to properly do it. I’m through with you. NO more e-mails.
Adios,usergs417@aol.com
From: ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 9:43:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
I think that virtually all of us who have taken
ibogaine consider it a very
interesting and beneficial substance. If you have
other entheogen experience,
how would you compare it? I find it unique. You
can really get an
understanding of how your mind is working and who
you are.
I’ve experienced a variety of entheogens in the past
but none were much like ibogaine with the exception of
ketamine. What it did feel like was dreaming. The
physical sensations (pulsing of energy) reminded me of
what it feels like on those too-rare occasions when I
fall asleep consciously; and the way I was
experiencing my mind reminded me a lot of dreaming. I
definately think there is a strong connection between
the ibogaine state and the dreaming process.
I only tried ketamine once and had a threshold
experience. It had a similar feeling of falling
asleep and going into a dreamlike realm. Reality
became very fluid. The feelings of disconnection from
my body, numbness, lack of coordination were similar.
However, it didn’t seem to have the “personal” aspect
of ibogaine. In fact it felt like I was going into a
non-human realm. My main thought with ketamine was
“If this is what dying feels like – and I wouldn’t be
surprised – then it’s not bad at all! Nothing to be
afraid of here!” With both ketamine and ibogaine I
feel I was only scratching the surface, so I wouldn’t
draw any solid conclusions at this point. And
although I plan to try ibogaine again, I don’t plan to
try ketamine any time soon (unless maybe it becomes
legalized for uses other than surgery).
a.
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From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 9:30:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear MetaGirl,
Don’t you know how to properly introduce yourself, and close the letter? Take a hink from me.
Regars, usergs417@aol.com
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 8:58:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
MetaGirl,
I don’t care to conferse w/ you anymore. What a B–tc!!!!!!!!! Find someone else to vent to.
Don’t take care,
usergs417@aol.com
P.S. Hopefully you’ll have a band trip SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 8:40:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
MetaGirl,
Thanks,
usergs417@aol.com
From: Bill Ross <ross@cgl.ucsf.edu>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 8:18:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
You did a dose and got a similar reaction as I do in
that dose range, it just isn’t enough, something is
missing… I need and so does Vivian about 12mg/kg,
maybe 10 (on a good day) to break through. That is not
to say you can’t with a lower dose, just that I don’t,
some people do.
I wonder if the theta-wave enhancement of the bwiti music would
lower that threshold?
http://www.musictherapyworld.de/modules/mmmagazine/showarticle.php?articletoshow=63
Bill Ross
From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 8:10:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Metagrrl,
A few comments but FIRST a comment to
usergs417@aol.com
” Maybe I’ll start with the dose you began with.
Thanks again for sharing,”
usergs417@aol.com
Please note that metagrrl reason for using ibogaine is
(as below) “primarily for personal growth and
spiritual exploration” and NOT for addiction, in
particular not for methadone addiction.
It is IMO highly unlikely you will have an experince
anything similar on that dose, the experience for an
addict, in particular an opiate addict, more-so a
methadone addict is typically very different than
someone using ibogaine for “personal growth and
spiritual exploration”. IMO, if you are going to get
dosed for detoxing, then do it and don’t dick around
with “I am afraid of it” dosing (not enough). I know
at least one person who scared themselves away from
ibogaine doing just what you are suggesting.
metagrrl,
You did a dose and got a similar reaction as I do in
that dose range, it just isn’t enough, something is
missing… I need and so does Vivian about 12mg/kg,
maybe 10 (on a good day) to break through. That is not
to say you can’t with a lower dose, just that I don’t,
some people do.
Also, ibogaine is not just the “trip”, it is in you,
it is now part of you, still working and will do so
for weeks/months. If you do another dose closer it
will tend to be stronger as you are already “primed”
with nor-ibogaine… It will become clearer the more
you do it., BE CAREFUL.
— ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com> wrote:
My interest in ibogaine is primarily for personal
growth and spiritual exploration. I had planned to
take 1000 mg. or more, but was unable to get a
sitter
for the time I planned to take it, so finally I
decided to take a smaller dose, and took
400mg. one morning by myself. That works out to
approximately 5 mg/kg, about half the dose I’d
originally planned on. The ibogaine (98%pure
ibogaine
hydrochloride) was obtained from
ethnogarden (http://www.ethnogarden.com/main.html).
The first thing I noticed was subtle body
sensations,
ramping up to powerful pulses, especially in my
arms.
I’ve heard that muscles at rest have a rapid rythmic
pulsing that we are not normally conscious of, and I
speculate that I may have been sensing that. The
sensations became more pervasive, like currents of
energy throughout my body – sort of like ants
crawling
all over me, but I chose not to dwell on that
comparison. It felt to me as though my subtle
energy
body (I may be speaking metaphorically here) was
beoming active, expanding and unfolding. My visual
field didn’t alter much; I kept expecting a visual,
dreamlike sequence to start but it never quite did.
However, I noticed that my thoughts were becoming
quite bizarre, and that’s when I realized I was in
fact tripping fairly hard. It was as though dreams
were happening in my mind, and I could sense them
but
not quite see them – as though they were separated
from the part of my mind that I was consciously
identified with by a dark curtain. I’ve had this
sort
of feeling before, both under the influence of
psychedelics and in other altered states, such as in
the hypnagogic state.
The dreamlike thought that triggered my awareness
that
I was tripping was the following. I “saw” two men
facing each other on a city street, making eye
contact. They suddenly jump in unison into a void –
an infinate black nothingness. Just as suddenly
they
are back on the street, still making eye contact, at
which point they run screaming in opposite
directions.
For two to three hours I was in a very fluid
dreamlike
space. I would imagine all sorts of things, often
very personal – e.g. the autopsy of someone I loved
who died a couple of years ago, followed by my own
autopsy. My thoughts ranged all over the map, from
that sort of personal material, to the evolution of
consciousness, to how politicians distract us from
important issues with spectacular trivia. At the
point I was thinking about that, I remembered
reading
that people will have visions under ibogaine that
seem
to be about global events, but can more usefully be
analyzed as a sort of dream, being symbolically
about
your own life. (For example, someone might imagine
a
horrible impending war, but it could really mirror a
conflict in their own psyche.) I started asking
myself if that was true in my case, and thinking
about
how I might use these same sort of distraction
techniques. Around this time I started getting a
strange fluttering distortion in the upper left
periphery of my visual field, and began to divert my
attention to it to see if it would unfold into
something more revealing. Then I realized that this
was an excellant example of distracting oneself from
more important matters. The next day, still
thinking
of this image, I realized that I often use
intellectual thought as a way of distracting myself
from a more direct confrontation with my issues.
I feel I was only scratching the surface of the
ibogaine state, but I can see the potential of this
substance as a tool for self-exploration.
I did not experience nausea per se, but during the
peak of the trip my head felt strange, and I felt
somewhat disconnected from my body. I was able to
walk
to the bathroom when necessary, slowly and with a
bit
of difficulty. I felt spacey and lethargic for
quite
a while after I took it, not recovering fully in
that
sense for about three days.
I felt quite capable of dealing with this doseage
alone (fortunately, since I didn’t have a sitter),
but
I think at a significantly increased dose a sitter
would be a really good idea. I plan to take a gram
or
so sometime in the next few months if I can get a
sitter, or if not I’ll take 600 mg. next time. I
definately want to experience ibogaine at a deeper
level after this initial experience.
a.
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 8:10:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Metagrrl,
A few comments but FIRST a comment to
usergs417@aol.com
” Maybe I’ll start with the dose you began with.
Thanks again for sharing,”
usergs417@aol.com
Please note that metagrrl reason for using ibogaine is
(as below) “primarily for personal growth and
spiritual exploration” and NOT for addiction, in
particular not for methadone addiction.
It is IMO highly unlikely you will have an experince
anything similar on that dose, the experience for an
addict, in particular an opiate addict, more-so a
methadone addict is typically very different than
someone using ibogaine for “personal growth and
spiritual exploration”. IMO, if you are going to get
dosed for detoxing, then do it and don’t dick around
with “I am afraid of it” dosing (not enough). I know
at least one person who scared themselves away from
ibogaine doing just what you are suggesting.
metagrrl,
You did a dose and got a similar reaction as I do in
that dose range, it just isn’t enough, something is
missing… I need and so does Vivian about 12mg/kg,
maybe 10 (on a good day) to break through. That is not
to say you can’t with a lower dose, just that I don’t,
some people do.
Also, ibogaine is not just the “trip”, it is in you,
it is now part of you, still working and will do so
for weeks/months. If you do another dose closer it
will tend to be stronger as you are already “primed”
with nor-ibogaine… It will become clearer the more
you do it., BE CAREFUL.
— ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com> wrote:
My interest in ibogaine is primarily for personal
growth and spiritual exploration. I had planned to
take 1000 mg. or more, but was unable to get a
sitter
for the time I planned to take it, so finally I
decided to take a smaller dose, and took
400mg. one morning by myself. That works out to
approximately 5 mg/kg, about half the dose I’d
originally planned on. The ibogaine (98%pure
ibogaine
hydrochloride) was obtained from
ethnogarden (http://www.ethnogarden.com/main.html).
The first thing I noticed was subtle body
sensations,
ramping up to powerful pulses, especially in my
arms.
I’ve heard that muscles at rest have a rapid rythmic
pulsing that we are not normally conscious of, and I
speculate that I may have been sensing that. The
sensations became more pervasive, like currents of
energy throughout my body – sort of like ants
crawling
all over me, but I chose not to dwell on that
comparison. It felt to me as though my subtle
energy
body (I may be speaking metaphorically here) was
beoming active, expanding and unfolding. My visual
field didn’t alter much; I kept expecting a visual,
dreamlike sequence to start but it never quite did.
However, I noticed that my thoughts were becoming
quite bizarre, and that’s when I realized I was in
fact tripping fairly hard. It was as though dreams
were happening in my mind, and I could sense them
but
not quite see them – as though they were separated
from the part of my mind that I was consciously
identified with by a dark curtain. I’ve had this
sort
of feeling before, both under the influence of
psychedelics and in other altered states, such as in
the hypnagogic state.
The dreamlike thought that triggered my awareness
that
I was tripping was the following. I “saw” two men
facing each other on a city street, making eye
contact. They suddenly jump in unison into a void –
an infinate black nothingness. Just as suddenly
they
are back on the street, still making eye contact, at
which point they run screaming in opposite
directions.
For two to three hours I was in a very fluid
dreamlike
space. I would imagine all sorts of things, often
very personal – e.g. the autopsy of someone I loved
who died a couple of years ago, followed by my own
autopsy. My thoughts ranged all over the map, from
that sort of personal material, to the evolution of
consciousness, to how politicians distract us from
important issues with spectacular trivia. At the
point I was thinking about that, I remembered
reading
that people will have visions under ibogaine that
seem
to be about global events, but can more usefully be
analyzed as a sort of dream, being symbolically
about
your own life. (For example, someone might imagine
a
horrible impending war, but it could really mirror a
conflict in their own psyche.) I started asking
myself if that was true in my case, and thinking
about
how I might use these same sort of distraction
techniques. Around this time I started getting a
strange fluttering distortion in the upper left
periphery of my visual field, and began to divert my
attention to it to see if it would unfold into
something more revealing. Then I realized that this
was an excellant example of distracting oneself from
more important matters. The next day, still
thinking
of this image, I realized that I often use
intellectual thought as a way of distracting myself
from a more direct confrontation with my issues.
I feel I was only scratching the surface of the
ibogaine state, but I can see the potential of this
substance as a tool for self-exploration.
I did not experience nausea per se, but during the
peak of the trip my head felt strange, and I felt
somewhat disconnected from my body. I was able to
walk
to the bathroom when necessary, slowly and with a
bit
of difficulty. I felt spacey and lethargic for
quite
a while after I took it, not recovering fully in
that
sense for about three days.
I felt quite capable of dealing with this doseage
alone (fortunately, since I didn’t have a sitter),
but
I think at a significantly increased dose a sitter
would be a really good idea. I plan to take a gram
or
so sometime in the next few months if I can get a
sitter, or if not I’ll take 600 mg. next time. I
definately want to experience ibogaine at a deeper
level after this initial experience.
a.
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From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 7:21:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
MetaGirl,
That was the most descriptive ibo experience I’ve heard to date. I’ve only been aware of ibogaine for approximately 6yrs., and experincing ibo on the internet for about 1yr. (Could I use the word experience a few more times?) In fact, that was the only time I’ve EXPERIENCED an ibogaine description…..Thanks. I’m not one for “tripping”, even weed sometimes freaks me out. Methadone is not doing the trick, so I have to do ibogaine. Maybe I’ll start with the dose you began with. Thanks again for sharing,
usergs417@aol.com
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 7:04:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I think that virtually all of us who have taken ibogaine consider it a very
interesting and beneficial substance. If you have other entheogen experience,
how would you compare it? I find it unique. You can really get an
understanding of how your mind is working and who you are.
Howard
In a message dated 8/27/03 10:34:02 PM, metagrrl@yahoo.com writes:
My interest in ibogaine is primarily for personal
growth and spiritual exploration. I had planned to
take 1000 mg. or more, but was unable to get a sitter
for the time I planned to take it, so finally I
decided to take a smaller dose, and took
400mg. one morning by myself. That works out to
approximately 5 mg/kg, about half the dose I’d
originally planned on. The ibogaine (98%pure ibogaine
hydrochloride) was obtained from
ethnogarden (http://www.ethnogarden.com/main.html).
The first thing I noticed was subtle body sensations,
ramping up to powerful pulses, especially in my arms.
I’ve heard that muscles at rest have a rapid rythmic
pulsing that we are not normally conscious of, and I
speculate that I may have been sensing that. The
sensations became more pervasive, like currents of
energy throughout my body – sort of like ants crawling
all over me, but I chose not to dwell on that
comparison. It felt to me as though my subtle energy
body (I may be speaking metaphorically here) was
beoming active, expanding and unfolding. My visual
field didn’t alter much; I kept expecting a visual,
dreamlike sequence to start but it never quite did.
However, I noticed that my thoughts were becoming
quite bizarre, and that’s when I realized I was in
fact tripping fairly hard. It was as though dreams
were happening in my mind, and I could sense them but
not quite see them – as though they were separated
from the part of my mind that I was consciously
identified with by a dark curtain. I’ve had this sort
of feeling before, both under the influence of
psychedelics and in other altered states, such as in
the hypnagogic state.
The dreamlike thought that triggered my awareness that
I was tripping was the following. I “saw” two men
facing each other on a city street, making eye
contact. They suddenly jump in unison into a void –
an infinate black nothingness. Just as suddenly they
are back on the street, still making eye contact, at
which point they run screaming in opposite directions.
For two to three hours I was in a very fluid dreamlike
space. I would imagine all sorts of things, often
very personal – e.g. the autopsy of someone I loved
who died a couple of years ago, followed by my own
autopsy. My thoughts ranged all over the map, from
that sort of personal material, to the evolution of
consciousness, to how politicians distract us from
important issues with spectacular trivia. At the
point I was thinking about that, I remembered reading
that people will have visions under ibogaine that seem
to be about global events, but can more usefully be
analyzed as a sort of dream, being symbolically about
your own life. (For example, someone might imagine a
horrible impending war, but it could really mirror a
conflict in their own psyche.) I started asking
myself if that was true in my case, and thinking about
how I might use these same sort of distraction
techniques. Around this time I started getting a
strange fluttering distortion in the upper left
periphery of my visual field, and began to divert my
attention to it to see if it would unfold into
something more revealing. Then I realized that this
was an excellant example of distracting oneself from
more important matters. The next day, still thinking
of this image, I realized that I often use
intellectual thought as a way of distracting myself
from a more direct confrontation with my issues.
I feel I was only scratching the surface of the
ibogaine state, but I can see the potential of this
substance as a tool for self-exploration.
I did not experience nausea per se, but during the
peak of the trip my head felt strange, and I felt
somewhat disconnected from my body. I was able to walk
to the bathroom when necessary, slowly and with a bit
of difficulty. I felt spacey and lethargic for quite
a while after I took it, not recovering fully in that
sense for about three days.
I felt quite capable of dealing with this doseage
alone (fortunately, since I didn’t have a sitter), but
I think at a significantly increased dose a sitter
would be a really good idea. I plan to take a gram or
so sometime in the next few months if I can get a
sitter, or if not I’ll take 600 mg. next time. I
definately want to experience ibogaine at a deeper
level after this initial experience.
From: ad astra <metagrrl@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] 400 mg. ibogaine
Date: August 27, 2003 at 6:29:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
My interest in ibogaine is primarily for personal
growth and spiritual exploration. I had planned to
take 1000 mg. or more, but was unable to get a sitter
for the time I planned to take it, so finally I
decided to take a smaller dose, and took
400mg. one morning by myself. That works out to
approximately 5 mg/kg, about half the dose I’d
originally planned on. The ibogaine (98%pure ibogaine
hydrochloride) was obtained from
ethnogarden (http://www.ethnogarden.com/main.html).
The first thing I noticed was subtle body sensations,
ramping up to powerful pulses, especially in my arms.
I’ve heard that muscles at rest have a rapid rythmic
pulsing that we are not normally conscious of, and I
speculate that I may have been sensing that. The
sensations became more pervasive, like currents of
energy throughout my body – sort of like ants crawling
all over me, but I chose not to dwell on that
comparison. It felt to me as though my subtle energy
body (I may be speaking metaphorically here) was
beoming active, expanding and unfolding. My visual
field didn’t alter much; I kept expecting a visual,
dreamlike sequence to start but it never quite did.
However, I noticed that my thoughts were becoming
quite bizarre, and that’s when I realized I was in
fact tripping fairly hard. It was as though dreams
were happening in my mind, and I could sense them but
not quite see them – as though they were separated
from the part of my mind that I was consciously
identified with by a dark curtain. I’ve had this sort
of feeling before, both under the influence of
psychedelics and in other altered states, such as in
the hypnagogic state.
The dreamlike thought that triggered my awareness that
I was tripping was the following. I “saw” two men
facing each other on a city street, making eye
contact. They suddenly jump in unison into a void –
an infinate black nothingness. Just as suddenly they
are back on the street, still making eye contact, at
which point they run screaming in opposite directions.
For two to three hours I was in a very fluid dreamlike
space. I would imagine all sorts of things, often
very personal – e.g. the autopsy of someone I loved
who died a couple of years ago, followed by my own
autopsy. My thoughts ranged all over the map, from
that sort of personal material, to the evolution of
consciousness, to how politicians distract us from
important issues with spectacular trivia. At the
point I was thinking about that, I remembered reading
that people will have visions under ibogaine that seem
to be about global events, but can more usefully be
analyzed as a sort of dream, being symbolically about
your own life. (For example, someone might imagine a
horrible impending war, but it could really mirror a
conflict in their own psyche.) I started asking
myself if that was true in my case, and thinking about
how I might use these same sort of distraction
techniques. Around this time I started getting a
strange fluttering distortion in the upper left
periphery of my visual field, and began to divert my
attention to it to see if it would unfold into
something more revealing. Then I realized that this
was an excellant example of distracting oneself from
more important matters. The next day, still thinking
of this image, I realized that I often use
intellectual thought as a way of distracting myself
from a more direct confrontation with my issues.
I feel I was only scratching the surface of the
ibogaine state, but I can see the potential of this
substance as a tool for self-exploration.
I did not experience nausea per se, but during the
peak of the trip my head felt strange, and I felt
somewhat disconnected from my body. I was able to walk
to the bathroom when necessary, slowly and with a bit
of difficulty. I felt spacey and lethargic for quite
a while after I took it, not recovering fully in that
sense for about three days.
I felt quite capable of dealing with this doseage
alone (fortunately, since I didn’t have a sitter), but
I think at a significantly increased dose a sitter
would be a really good idea. I plan to take a gram or
so sometime in the next few months if I can get a
sitter, or if not I’ll take 600 mg. next time. I
definately want to experience ibogaine at a deeper
level after this initial experience.
a.
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: Open Letter on My Recent Act of Civil Disobedience
Date: August 27, 2003 at 3:06:54 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@ibogaine.org, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
From drcnet@drcnet.org
Brett
8/27/03
Dear DRCNet member:
I’m writing to inform you of an important personal
decision
I’ve made. Earlier this week I committed an act of
principled civil disobedience by deliberately not
reporting
for jury duty in the Superior Court of the District
of
Columbia. My refusal to serve was based on the
injustice
of US drug laws, the adverse external consequences
of the
drug laws for our society and some other nations,
and the
corrosion of the criminal justice system as a whole
that
the drug war has wrought. I explained my reasons in
an
open letter to DC’s Chief Judge, Rufus G. King III.
You
can read it online at
http://stopthedrugwar.org/openletter/
(HTML and PDF formats available) or by continuing
below in
this e-mail.
I have written well over a hundred editorials on
drug
policy for The Week Online, but this letter may be
my best
and most comprehensive statement yet. Please
forward it
far and wide, and urge your friends and fellow talk
group
participants to visit http://stopthedrugwar.org and
subscribe to our newsletter (which is now called
“Drug War
Chronicle”) and action alerts.
Please note that this action I’ve taken was a
personal
decision, not an organizational policy of DRCNet,
though
the organization is publicizing it. Also, in case
you were
wondering, Judge King is indeed the son of our
movement’s
Rufus King, the great pioneer of drug reform.
(Visit
http://www.druglibrary.org/special/king/rufusking.htm
to
read some of his extensive works and other items
contributed from his private collection.) That is
only a
coincidence, though; I addressed my letter to Judge
King
simply because he is the Chief Judge and his name
therefore
appeared on my jury summons. Lastly, my letter is a
critique of the system, not of Judge King, of whom I
have
heard only good things.
Here is the letter:
———————————————————–
8/22/03
The Honorable Rufus G. King III
Chief Judge
Superior Court of the District of Columbia
Moultrie Courthouse
500 Indiana Ave., NW, Room 3500
Washington, DC 20001
Re: Jury Summons, August 25, 2003, JIN # 559075
Dear Judge King:
I write you from a different corner of the world of
law
than the one you oversee for the District of
Columbia: the
community of advocates striving to change laws and
policies. For the past ten years, I have worked as
founder
and executive director of StopTheDrugWar.org: the
Drug
Reform Coordination Network (DRCNet), an
organization which
calls for an end to prohibition and the so-called
“war on
drugs.”
It is with sadness for our country, but hope for its
future, that I write to inform you that conscience
does not
permit me to appear for jury service as your court
has
directed.
US drug policy is in a state of moral and
humanitarian
crisis, shaming us before history: Half a million
nonviolent drug offenders clog our prisons and
jails.
Mandatory minimum sentences and inflexible
sentencing
guidelines condemn numerous low-level offenders to
years or
decades behind bars, often based solely on the word
of
compensated, confidential informants. Profiling and
other
racial or economic disparities assault the dignity
and
safety of our poor and minorities and deny them
equal
justice. Overall, criminalization has become a
reflexive,
default reaction to social problems, as opposed to
its more
limited, proper role as a last resort after other
methods
have failed. As a result, more than two million
people are
imprisoned in the United States, the highest
incarceration
rate of any nation.
The external consequences of the drug laws wreak a
devastating toll on large segments of our society
and on
other countries: Prohibition creates a lucrative
black
market that soaks our inner cities in violence and
disorder, and lures young people into lives of
crime. Laws
criminalizing syringe possession, and the overall
milieu of
underground drug use and sales, encourage needle
sharing
and increase the spread of HIV and Hepatitis C. Our
drug
war in the Andes fuels a continuing civil war in
Colombia,
with prohibition-generated illicit drug profits
enabling
its escalation. Thousands of Americans die from
drug
overdoses or poisonings by adulterants every year,
most of
their deaths preventable through the
quality-controlled
market that would exist if drugs were legal.
Physicians’
justifiable fear of running afoul of law enforcers
causes
large numbers of Americans to go un- or
under-treated for
intractable chronic pain. And frustration over the
failure
of the drug war, together with the lack of dialogue
on
prohibition, distorts the policymaking process,
leading to
ever more intrusive governmental interventions and
ever
greater dilution of the core American values of
freedom,
privacy and fairness.
Drug policies have significantly driven a deep
corrosion of
the ethics and principles underlying our system of
justice:
Police officers routinely violate constitutional
rights to
make drug busts, often committing perjury to secure
convictions; or resort to trickery and manipulation
to
cause individuals to give up their rights, enabled
by an
intricate web of legalistic court rulings stretching
the
letter of the law while betraying its spirit.
Manipulation
of evidence and process is standard procedure. Many
prosecutors, though thankfully not all, treat their
position as a stepping stone to elected office,
subjugating
their oaths to seek justice to a political calculus
based
instead on individual career advancement.
Corruption and
misconduct among enforcers and within agencies is
widespread. And all these problems, while not
officially
sanctioned, are in practice largely tolerated:
criminal
prosecution for police abuse is the exception, and
disbarment for prosecutorial misconduct is almost
unheard
of. Meanwhile, false or unfair convictions occur
with
unacknowledged frequency, with persons thus
victimized
often spending years in prison while seeking
exoneration.
Jurors in the United States cannot therefore
confidently
rely on the information we are provided for deciding
criminal cases. We cannot know if we have been told
the
whole truth of a case as in the trials of Ed
Rosenthal
and Bryan Epis, whom California jurors convicted
without
knowing they were medical marijuana providers. We
cannot
trust the testimony of witnesses for the state to be
truthful and balanced; for example, Andrew Chambers,
a
“super-snitch” used by the US Drug Enforcement
Administration (DEA) for numerous prosecutions, even
after
a court found him to be a repeat perjurer. We are
not
permitted knowledge of the possible consequences a
defendant may face if we vote to convict and in a
society
that hands out decades-long punishments as a routine
matter, and which fails to provide adequate safety
or
medical care to our incarcerated, we cannot have
faith that
a judge will be able, even if willing, to pronounce
a
sentence that is just. We are instructed to decide
verdicts based solely on facts, showing no
consideration to
larger moral principles, with those daring to inform
potential jurors of their power to do otherwise
themselves
subjected to criminalization to an increasing
degree. And
we subsidize the injustices by providing our time
for mere
travel cost as members of the jury pool, and for
less than
a living wage while serving as jurors on cases.
We in the District of Columbia have attempted
multiple
times to effect modest changes to our drug policy,
only to
have our voices rebuffed or silenced. A voter
initiative
to permit medical use of marijuana, Measure 63, was
struck
from our ballot by Congress; and an initiative to
divert a
limited class of offenders from jail into treatment,
Measure 62, which the electorate of the District
approved
overwhelmingly, was blocked from being implemented
by a
court, in a proceeding initiated at the behest of
our own
Mayor. Despite a significant degree of reform
sentiment
among District residents, our criminal justice
policies
largely parallel the unceasing arrest and
incarceration
program of the nation as a whole. Indeed, our
justice
system is heavily influenced by a Congress that
makes use
of our taxes but affords us no voting representation
within
its ranks, and by a federal enforcement bureaucracy
which
this Congress funds and to which it has granted
substantial
authority over our local criminal justice matters.
None of the foregoing is intended to reflect any
condemnation or disrespect of your office or
profession
and no such sentiment is harbored toward the son of
Rufus
King II, a great crusader for justice and a member
of my
organization. I take heart from your tenure as well
as
from the efforts of the majority of individuals
working in
the criminal justice system who strive with
integrity to
serve the public weal. But judges and jurors alike
are in
the grip of larger political and social forces; and
the
moral obligations of the private citizen vs. the
official
duties of the appointed public servant are not
always one
and the same.
I do not lightly exclude myself from jury service,
which in
a just society I would consider a privilege and
honor. But
while the past ten years have seen some encouraging
developments in drug policy reform, the fundamental
punitive, prohibitionist focus of the government’s
anti-
drug program remains unchanged, as does the
extremity of
its execution and the corrupting toll it takes on
the
administration of justice as a whole. On that
latter
concern, I also do not dismiss the need for, or the
validity of, legitimate laws protecting safety and
property, even in the face of injustice in their
administration; the District has a defensible need
for
jurors to serve on such cases, and I do not call for
that
process to cease or wait.
But the untrustworthiness of the system in its
overview, a
result to a significant degree of the drug war,
presents
potential jurors with a moral dilemma whose
resolution lies
beyond their power: to serve, at least on cases
involving
laws that are just in and of themselves, but risking
committing wrong by enabling the system to commit an
injustice that they cannot reliably identify in
advance (a
significant possibility for any juror in the current
state
of affairs), and in any case still facilitating
injustice
indirectly by enlarging the total size of the
available
juror pool; or to commit a different wrong by
refusing to
serve even on cases involving such laws (the
system’s
overall unreliability being a valid justification
for such
refusal in and of itself), but continuing to receive
the
benefits of the protection which those laws provide.
It may be that the lesser wrong, and the greater
good, lie
in refusing to serve a corrupted system entirely, in
hopes
of, through such a choice, provoking needed
discussion and
increasing the public and political will for reform.
As
the great American philosopher and abolitionist,
Henry
David Thoreau, expounded in his famous essay Civil
Disobedience, “It is not a man’s duty, as a matter
of
course, to devote himself to the eradication of…
even the
most enormous wrong… but it is his duty, at least,
to
wash his hands of it, and, if he give it no thought
longer,
not to give it practically his support.”
My service as a juror in the District of Columbia
would
directly or indirectly support injustice, and would
help to
fuel the illusion that drug prohibition serves the
health
and safety of the public; when in reality only some
form of
legalization can adequately address the combined
harms of
drugs and drug prohibition, which in the currently
one-
dimensional public dialogue are commonly attributed
only to
drugs; and when in reality only some form of
legalization
can satisfy the fundamental obligation of society to
respect individual freedom while requiring
individual
responsibility.
Lastly, should I report to your court as a potential
juror,
it is an all but foregone conclusion that my
profession,
which was asked of me on the juror registration
form, would
cause me not to be selected for a jury, as has
happened in
the past. Those of us who place greater importance
on
conscience and individual justice than on the
enactments of
legislatures, and who do so outspokenly, are
effectively
disenfranchised from jury service for this reason.
For me
to report as a potential juror, then, would amount
to
participation in a game, devaluing both the system
you
administer and the principles to which I ascribe.
For all these reasons, I have determined that unjust
drug
laws, and the corrosion wrought by the drug war on
the
criminal justice system as a whole, compel me to
conscientiously refuse jury service. I take this
action
with knowledge and acceptance of the possible
consequences,
and request no special consideration.
Respectfully,
David Borden, Executive Director,
DRCNet/StopTheDrugWar.org
and citizen of the District of Columbia
Cc: Duane B. Delaney, Clerk of the Court
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] my letter to media and politicians
Date: August 26, 2003 at 11:32:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I don’t know if that bulletin board has black type on a black background but,
I can’t see any text whatsoever.
Howard
In a message dated 8/27/03 2:02:54 AM, deartheo@ziplip.com writes:
http://com1.akheva.com/brukind.fthisweeksletter.t31
I am a D/FW resident who was on 263 ml of methadone a day. A 20 year heroin
junkie who goes to a methadone clinic will start at 30 ml. I tried many
treatments but nothing worked. Then, while on-line, I learned of a miracle
plant
called iboga, a west African plant whose roots are the only non-opioid
that can
take away opioid physical sickness. I was cornered into having to stop
going to
the methadone clinic because the majority of jails will not give someone’s
prescribed medication if accused of a crime.
From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: [ibogaine] my letter to media and politicians
Date: August 26, 2003 at 9:52:56 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
http://com1.akheva.com/brukind.fthisweeksletter.t31
I am a D/FW resident who was on 263 ml of methadone a day. A 20 year heroin
junkie who goes to a methadone clinic will start at 30 ml. I tried many
treatments but nothing worked. Then, while on-line, I learned of a miracle plant
called iboga, a west African plant whose roots are the only non-opioid that can
take away opioid physical sickness. I was cornered into having to stop going to
the methadone clinic because the majority of jails will not give someone’s
prescribed medication if accused of a crime.
I was at the wrong place at the wrong time and was charged with possession of a
joint of marijuana. I will serve up to a year in jail for that and many doctors
have informed me that at my dose level, it would have very likely been fatal.
I cured with one dose of iboga on July 14th 2003, my last dose of methadone was
on July 11th 2003. I cannot believe that this miracle cure is not only being
ignored my American media, but it is actually illegal in the United States.
Iboga is listed as a Schedule 1 (meaning no medical value) which is simply
wrong.
The FDA and NIH continue to fund research into methadone (the most studied
‘anti-addictive'[yeah right] medicine in history), while not giving one penny of
support for iboga research. The FDA finally approved studies (done by Debra
Mash) but refuse to help fund the research.
Iboga is not new. Its ability to free junkies from physical opioid addiction has
been known since Howard Lotsof discovered the anti-addictive properties of iboga
over 30 years ago. Many other countries have been using iboga and ibogaine
successfully in human subjects for years. I am more then willing to do any
interviews on this miracle cure.
Thank you for your time.
Jason Bursey
deartheo@ziplip.com
5827 Timbercrest Dr.
Arlington, TX 76017
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells: William
Date: August 26, 2003 at 6:31:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Thank you Howard.
Much Gratitude, William
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells: William
Date: August 26, 2003 at 8:44:25 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In a message dated 8/26/03 12:02:48 PM, UserGS417@aol.com writes:
<< Thanks for the info. When I “clicked on” the link to subscribe to both
mailing lists, all I recieved was, ” This page can no longer be provided/
listed /
viewed”, whatever. The other links appeared with no problem. Any suggestions?
Thanks, William (Geoff) >>
I called calyx and hope they will get the broken link repaired.
Howard
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells: William
Date: August 26, 2003 at 8:01:20 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Howard,
Thanks for the info. When I “clicked on” the link to subscribe to both mailing lists, all I recieved was, ” This page can no longer be provided/ listed / viewed”, whatever. The other links appeared with no problem. Any suggestions?
Thanks, William (Geoff)
From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 26, 2003 at 4:26:57 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Pls tell me if there are treatments for
the nausea
Don’t move, anti-emetics also help – but DON’T MOVE.
(i don’t want to start out, puke a couple
of good times and feel cleansed but then continue
puling and end up dehydrated). I also worry about
the panic attacks I have treated over the years with
either marijuana or a benzodiazepine, the only
things that work. Please tell me what to expect, how
long, etc. I am 26 and I am female, 110 pounds. Tara
I expect you to drive yourself NUTS till you have the
treatment… Take a deep Yogic breath and relax, you
will get through it the way I did (many times) and how
many others have. No one can tell you what to expect
or exactly how long, everyone has their own
experience. Focus on the freedom, as if it were done
and over, Don’t awfulize about a zillion things that
are neither likely to happen the way you would expect
or that you have any control over. I know for an
absolute fact that I am free of addiction, if I chose
to “use” it will be by my own choice and even then,
because of ibogaine I always have that choice to get
off, and of that I am 100% absolutely certain, any
time.
Be free, don’t be in fear. You wil do OK.
Brett
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 25, 2003 at 11:18:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In a message dated 8/26/03 1:42:15 AM, UserGS417@aol.com writes:
<< Hey Tara, Even though I personally have not utilized ibogaine yet,
hopefully
this December I will. Anyway, I’ve read several accounts of people who take
ibo in enema form. The reports I’ve read purport this method bypasses the
nausea. It suppossedly “kicks in” much faster. I’m a chicken too when it
comes to
psycedelics, but according to everything I’ve read, you can usually bring
yourself out of the psycedelic state at any time. Just sit up, talk to the
person
who is trained, and guiding you. Then, lay back down and keep going. As far
as I
know, you are allowed to bring along benzo’s and weed. So, don’t panic.
Wouldn’t it be cool if we both went at the same time? >>
Hi William and Tara,
Rectal infusion does not necessarily overcome nausea but, will remove any
irritation to the stomach lining issues. Additionally, if you do vomit you won’t
lose your dose at least by vomiting. While I know there are reports that
differ, my observations are that oral and rectal administration take effect
within a similar time frame. Whatever your concerns, talk to the people who will
be treating you. If you are not satisified with their answers, find another
treatment provider.
Howard
http://www.ibogaine.org
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Vigabatrin/Sabril
Date: August 25, 2003 at 10:07:02 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
we know the cocaine molecule, or at least the coca plant grows in nature,
but by golly we’re gonna make a NEW drug that makes you unable to use it,
that and a whole buncha other stuff too, oh boy oh boy, yep, we know that
the brain ain’t supposed to be gettin itselfa high!!!!!
Peace, and darn it this is pretty nuts- this doc who is sooo happy to be
expanding our addiction knowledge, calling addiction a terrible disease,
isn’t obviously taking into consideration what it must be like for primates
locked in caged in lab settings to be force fed cocaine at high doses and
given “addictions”- hell, I had coke bugs and paranoia sessions that were
hell on Earth and I was living free and easy in Central Park for crying out
loud, not locked in cages, at least not usually although Rickers certainly
could qualify thusly, sans the cocaine though, which is my point.
What a freak.
Peace for real, and just mouthing off and by doing so adding the
ibogaine list to my email account again for my computer after a sad but
timely computer death last week.
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:49 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] Vigabatrin/Sabril
I received a call from a person seeking ibogaine therapy who informed me
of a
drug called Vigabatrin (tradename Sabril) that is reported effective for
drug
craving. Any reports would be of interest. The following report was
found
on google.com
Howard
**************
Diane Greenberg, Brookhaven National Laboratory, 516 344-2347, or
Glenn Diamond, David Pharmaceuticals, Inc., 650 579-2870
Brookhaven Lab Awards License to David Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
for Potential Addiction Treatment
UPTON, NY – The U.S. Department of Energy’s Brookhaven National Laboratory
has licensed to David Pharmaceuticals, Inc., of Burlingame, California,
the use
of the drug vigabatrin for its potential application in treating
addiction.
Vigabatrin, a drug used to treat epilepsy outside the U.S., may prove to
be a
highly effective pharmaceutical treatment for cocaine addiction. In
August,
1998, a team of scientists from Brookhaven, St. John’s University, New
York
University, Albert Einstein College of Medicine and Boston University
reported in
the journal Synapse that the drug, also known as gamma vinyl-GABA, or GVG,
blocked cocaine’s effect in the brains of primates, and significantly
decreased
the animals’ drug-seeking behavior. In subsequent studies, Brookhaven
collaborations found that the drug effectively blocked test animals’
craving for
nicotine, heroin, alcohol and methamphetamine.
Stephen Dewey, the Brookhaven neuroscientist who led the groundbreaking
studies, said, “We are pleased to have entered into a long-term research
collaboration with David Pharmaceuticals to expand and enlarge the scope
of our
discoveries. Addiction is a terrible disease, and those who suffer from
it, as well as
their families and friends, and society in general, are held hostage to
it. I
am hopeful that our collaborative efforts will lead to a safe and
effective
treatment.”
Glenn Diamond, founder and CEO of David Pharmaceuticals, Inc., commented,
“In
light of the compelling public health interest, we are determined to
rapidly
develop these significant discoveries made at Brookhaven Lab.”
Diamond added that David intends to file with the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration within the next fourteen months to initiate clinical trials
for the use
of vigabatrin in the treatment of cocaine abuse. Future filings are
planned
for the use of the drug in smoking cessation and for the treatment of
heroin,
alcohol and metamphetamine addiction.
Dewey and his collaborators did their research on vigabatrin at the
Brookhaven Center for Imaging and Neurosciences at Brookhaven Lab, a
pioneering
research center that uses positron emission tomography and other medical
imaging
techniques to study the brain mechanisms underlying addiction. Brookhaven
is a
designated Regional Drug Addiction Study Center of the National Institute
on Drug
Abuse.
David Pharmaceuticals, Inc., is a privately funded startup company focused
on
the development of medicines to treat difficult central nervous system
disorders such as substance and behavioral addictions, memory and
cognitive
impairment, and mental retardation. David is named after the founder’s
seven-year-old
son, who has Down syndrome.
The U.S. Department of Energy’s Brookhaven National Laboratory creates and
operates major facilities available to university, industrial and
government
personnel for basic and applied research in the physical, biomedical and
environmental sciences, and in selected energy technologies. The
Laboratory is
operated by Brookhaven Science Associates, a not-for-profit research
management com
pany, under contract with the U.S. Department of Energy.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 25, 2003 at 9:40:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hey Tara, Even though I personally have not utilized ibogaine yet, hopefully this December I will. Anyway, I’ve read several accounts of people who take ibo in enema form. The reports I’ve read purport this method bypasses the nausea. It suppossedly “kicks in” much faster. I’m a chicken too when it comes to psycedelics, but according to everything I’ve read, you can usually bring yourself out of the psycedelic state at any time. Just sit up, talk to the person who is trained, and guiding you. Then, lay back down and keep going. As far as I know, you are allowed to bring along benzo’s and weed. So, don’t panic. Wouldn’t it be cool if we both went at the same time?
Peace and Good Luck, William
From: Tbgelfling@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Vigabatrin/Sabril
Date: August 25, 2003 at 7:26:34 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
GABA. Isn’t that the same thing that benzodiazepines work on to treat anxiety (ie valium, klonopin)? How does this differ?
From: Tbgelfling@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 25, 2003 at 7:24:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
ok 140 mg methadone, roughly 4 years. i’d like to go to the ibogga house; i think i need inpatient iboga chaperoning. i have a VERY VERY weak stomach, and I know kicking makes you sick to it; ibogaine also causes a nausea (and i REALLY get car sick if that matters). Pls tell me if there are treatments for the nausea (i don’t want to start out, puke a couple of good times and feel cleansed but then continue puling and end up dehydrated). I also worry about the panic attacks I have treated over the years with either marijuana or a benzodiazepine, the only things that work. Please tell me what to expect, how long, etc. I am 26 and I am female, 110 pounds. Tara
From: Tbgelfling@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 25, 2003 at 7:17:58 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
thanks brett: that calms some fears. i’ve been on methadone for years at a high dose, so i am very afraid of the physical “discomfort”. But I am more afraid of a life tied to methadone…I just have to figure out how i am going to make this happen….tara
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Vigabatrin/Sabril
Date: August 25, 2003 at 6:49:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I received a call from a person seeking ibogaine therapy who informed me of a
drug called Vigabatrin (tradename Sabril) that is reported effective for drug
craving. Any reports would be of interest. The following report was found
on google.com
Howard
**************
Diane Greenberg, Brookhaven National Laboratory, 516 344-2347, or
Glenn Diamond, David Pharmaceuticals, Inc., 650 579-2870
Brookhaven Lab Awards License to David Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
for Potential Addiction Treatment
UPTON, NY – The U.S. Department of Energy’s Brookhaven National Laboratory
has licensed to David Pharmaceuticals, Inc., of Burlingame, California, the use
of the drug vigabatrin for its potential application in treating addiction.
Vigabatrin, a drug used to treat epilepsy outside the U.S., may prove to be a
highly effective pharmaceutical treatment for cocaine addiction. In August,
1998, a team of scientists from Brookhaven, St. John’s University, New York
University, Albert Einstein College of Medicine and Boston University reported in
the journal Synapse that the drug, also known as gamma vinyl-GABA, or GVG,
blocked cocaine’s effect in the brains of primates, and significantly decreased
the animals’ drug-seeking behavior. In subsequent studies, Brookhaven
collaborations found that the drug effectively blocked test animals’ craving for
nicotine, heroin, alcohol and methamphetamine.
Stephen Dewey, the Brookhaven neuroscientist who led the groundbreaking
studies, said, “We are pleased to have entered into a long-term research
collaboration with David Pharmaceuticals to expand and enlarge the scope of our
discoveries. Addiction is a terrible disease, and those who suffer from it, as well as
their families and friends, and society in general, are held hostage to it. I
am hopeful that our collaborative efforts will lead to a safe and effective
treatment.”
Glenn Diamond, founder and CEO of David Pharmaceuticals, Inc., commented, “In
light of the compelling public health interest, we are determined to rapidly
develop these significant discoveries made at Brookhaven Lab.”
Diamond added that David intends to file with the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration within the next fourteen months to initiate clinical trials for the use
of vigabatrin in the treatment of cocaine abuse. Future filings are planned
for the use of the drug in smoking cessation and for the treatment of heroin,
alcohol and metamphetamine addiction.
Dewey and his collaborators did their research on vigabatrin at the
Brookhaven Center for Imaging and Neurosciences at Brookhaven Lab, a pioneering
research center that uses positron emission tomography and other medical imaging
techniques to study the brain mechanisms underlying addiction. Brookhaven is a
designated Regional Drug Addiction Study Center of the National Institute on Drug
Abuse.
David Pharmaceuticals, Inc., is a privately funded startup company focused on
the development of medicines to treat difficult central nervous system
disorders such as substance and behavioral addictions, memory and cognitive
impairment, and mental retardation. David is named after the founder’s seven-year-old
son, who has Down syndrome.
The U.S. Department of Energy’s Brookhaven National Laboratory creates and
operates major facilities available to university, industrial and government
personnel for basic and applied research in the physical, biomedical and
environmental sciences, and in selected energy technologies. The Laboratory is
operated by Brookhaven Science Associates, a not-for-profit research management com
pany, under contract with the U.S. Department of Energy.
From: UserGS417@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] my introduction and a question
Date: August 25, 2003 at 4:01:41 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Jeff,
I’m very sorry to hear about your wife and I hope your son is well. I’ve lost several close friends to drugs and it’s always very painfull. I too am on Methadone maintenence, but have given up any hope of acquiring ibogaine in the States. I have a good friend who is a stewardess for a major airline. We’re planning on going to Europe at Christmas time. Thanks to her job I’ll get to fly for free. We’re going for her to have some fun and for me to find a reputable ibogaine clinic.( if there is such a thing). Anyway, I was wondering if you could possibly do me a favor? Try and find the literature on Dr. Revicci? and the info you said you might have on H. Lostoft. I’d really appreciate it. Just post it to this site, I’ll be watching. I’d give you my personal e-mail, but the years have taken their toll, and I’m just a tad paranoid. Come to think of it, my e-mail address will probably show up when I send this to you b/c I think I’m using e-mail right now. I meant to just send a posting but I tend to be a little on the “computer illiterate” side of life. Take care, and thank you, Geoff (same name, different spelling).
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] my introduction and a question
Date: August 24, 2003 at 8:28:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Jeff,
I never heard of doctor Revici before you mentioned him but, went to
google.com and found the passage below. Returning to your situation, how old are you?
Howard
********************************************************************
Dr. Revici developed successful treatments for heroin and alcohol
addiction. His detoxification agent for heroin addicts, called Perse,
was almost chosen over methadone as the nation’s treatment of
choice. Perse, which incorporated selenium in a lipid base, physically
detoxified addicts within five to eight days. At the request of
Congress, Revici presented over 2,000 case histories of successful uses
of this nontoxic and nonaddictive agent. The idea for Perse had
arisen from Revici’s cancer practice after he observed that patients
previously on addictive narcotic analgesics exhibited no withdrawal
symptoms when placed on his lipid analgesics.
At a 1971 congressional subcommittee hearing that took testimony
about Perse for a full day, Congressman Charles Rangel of New York
said, “The results and what we witnessed with patients was so
unbelievable that the doctor from Municipal Hospital has now gone
back on a daily basis in order to continue with this chance to see the
miraculous results that have taken place.”
Barron’s ran a full-page feature on Revici’s treatments for narcotic
and alcohol addiction in 1972. Both Congress and the FDA promised
Dr. Revici full support for large-scale clinical testing, signaling that
Perse could be the most important breakthrough in drug treatment.
Because selenium is normally toxic in high doses, Revici
reformulated the medication to eliminate it. The new substance,
called Bionar, worked just as well in the same amount of time, with
no withdrawal symptoms. (The selenium incorporated in Perse was a
bivalent-negative form, very active and virtually nontoxic.)
The stage seemed set for a major advance in the war on drugs. But
less than one month after the congressional hearing, the FDA re-
versed its position and recommended methadone, an addictive and
toxic drug, as the treatment of choice. Why?
One possible answer is provided by Marcus Cohen, who helped
coordinate the campaign to save Revici’s license. He suggests,
“Hospitalization was required for treatment with Perse, and because
many of the patients were poor, Medicaid was asked to pick up the
tab. As in the case of most drug addicts, they presented with other
conditions besides addiction, which needed medical attention….
Methadone, addicting in itself, nevertheless was favored by State and
City officials as a means of controlling the mostly black and Hispanic
drug population…. The drug companies and health care professionals
that profited from exclusive use of methadone did not welcome
competition, least of all from a treatment which did not cause a
lifelong dependency.”
***************************************************
In a message dated 8/24/03 9:50:18 PM, Jeffgd1@aol.com writes:
<<
Hello
I have been reading this list for some time now and feel the time is right
for me to introduce myself. I hope this a first step on my journey towards
freedom from Methadone through a productive Ibogaine session.
I am currently doing 50mg’s daily of methadone. I go in once week as I have
for 4 years or so now. The impact on my life is not much but I often wonder
if
I just don’t see the impact or impediments that Methadone and the program are
putting in my way.
I was an IV heroin addict on and off for 15 years or so before this last 6
years of pure Methadone use and being clean of opiates (save the Methadone
obviously) I use cannabis daily and psychedelics of various types at times
throughout the year usually at music events.
My wife of ten years died in 1993 of a cocaine/heroin overdose at home with
our then 6 year old son and myself present. The surreal nightmare that
followed is still mind boggling to me. Calling her parents from the hospital
to tell
them that their daughter was on deaths door due to a drug habit that they
were
completely unaware of was horrendous. But nothing compared to telling my son
his mother was dead the following day I will NEVER forget the sound of the
moan that escaped his small mouth……
In our/my many year odyssey through our addiction we tried many “cures” 21
day meth detox- then 6 month meth detox- and even an “experimental doctor
named Dr. Revicci (sp?) here in NYC whose name escapes me-he ran a hospital
for
addicts in the 50-60’s and had apparent success with the use of some types of
compounds that frankly I forget. (H.Lostoft any of that ring a bell) his
hospital was in upper Manhattan. I have the literature somewhere and will try
to
find it if anyone cares. By the way his cure “worked” but we were to dumb to
know it. He got us through thefirst few days relatively painless but
exhaustion
and the baby’s needs took it’s toll. And we picked up.
After my wife’s death I went to a 21 day rehab after a hospitalized one week
detox and spent a few months in constant pain and with very very little sleep
and it wasn’t long before I was a newly widowed single father with a huge
habit. After a year or so of that I went on the Methadone program that I am
on
now with the attitude that it would be my insulin and take care of what I
considered a medical problem. I thought I would be on it for the rest of my
life.
Even way back before her death I had heard inklings about Ibogaine and was
always drawn to it on a subtle level I find hard to explain. The use of a
psychedelic even one as apparently unenjoyable (as opposed to LSD say) seems
to
make sense to me…hmmmmmmmm But it was only available far away I thought.
Now after remarrying an amazing woman with no addiction history at all and
after being so far out of the”loop” as far as being an active heroin addict
with ‘copping’ and all, I feel I can be done with this but I KNOW that a
meth
detox is beyond my scope I know that six months or more of sleepless
exhaustion
and all the rest after the slow weaning process is more than I can deal with
and is not in my future.
BUT a session with Ibogaine seems perfect. An eye opening if scary adventure
that will help me get a clean slate is just what I need and seems the only
real hope I have of getting off this Methadone.
When reading statements like “doing Ibogaine will reset your brain to it’s
pre addicted state” well I am simply overjoyed at the thought that this is
possible.
From what I have read here and elsewhere if one is not surrounded by active
addicts or in that world even one treatment can and will work to get me over
this Methadone thing.
I live in NYC and dont have much money. But I am determined that Ibogaine is
the solution to a problem I have been dealing with in overwhelming and subtle
ways for far too long now.
I have sent a similar letter to Marc Emory at his Ibogaine House but if
anyone else can steer me in the direction of a place to get Ibogaine
treatment I
will be ever grateful!
I so enjoy reading most of the posts on this list and wish all here nothing
but wellness and joy in their lives.
Freak Freely!
Love,
Jeff G >>
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Music in the Iboga initiation ceremony in Gabon:
Date: August 24, 2003 at 8:28:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Music in the Iboga initiation ceremony in Gabon: Polyrhythms supporting a
pharmacotherapy
Uwe Maas and Süster Strubelt
Abstract
——————————————————————-
Music is used by traditional cultures worldwide to create and accompany
trance states. However, the influence of sophisticated compositions and the choice
of instruments on patients’ recovery has been hardly examined. Rouget (1990),
in his comprehensive overview, assumes that the choice of instruments and
music is insignificant. We had the opportunity to assist several Iboga initiation
ceremonies in 1999, 2001 and 2003 in Gabon (Central Africa). We recorded the
music and finally decided to become initiated ourselves. The Iboga healing
ceremony induces a near-death experience and is performed to cure serious mental
or psychosomatic diseases, but people also undergo initiation rites for reasons
of spiritual or personal development.
After an analysis of the compositions and their function in the ceremonies we
come to the conclusion that neither the musical structures nor the choice of
instruments should be seen as cultural and incidental qualities: There are
indications of direct somatic influences apart from the psychological ones. Not
only the absolutely consistant basic metre and the incessant use of
polyrhythms, but also the harmonic organization and the choice of instruments in all
probability serve to activate the cerebellum and generate theta-frequencies in the
EEG. These methods seem to be used consciously to induce particular
reactions, e.g. possessional trances and visions. We suppose that the music increases
the effect of the drug Ibogaine which is used during the initiation ritual so
that patients may need smaller amounts only of this potentially harmful drug.
http://www.musictherapyworld.de/modules/mmmagazine/showarticle.php?articletosh
ow=63&language=en
From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] my introduction and a question
Date: August 24, 2003 at 5:48:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hello
I have been reading this list for some time now and feel the time is right for me to introduce myself. I hope this a first step on my journey towards freedom from Methadone through a productive Ibogaine session.
I am currently doing 50mg’s daily of methadone. I go in once week as I have for 4 years or so now. The impact on my life is not much but I often wonder if I just don’t see the impact or impediments that Methadone and the program are putting in my way.
I was an IV heroin addict on and off for 15 years or so before this last 6 years of pure Methadone use and being clean of opiates (save the Methadone obviously) I use cannabis daily and psychedelics of various types at times throughout the year usually at music events.
My wife of ten years died in 1993 of a cocaine/heroin overdose at home with our then 6 year old son and myself present. The surreal nightmare that followed is still mind boggling to me. Calling her parents from the hospital to tell them that their daughter was on deaths door due to a drug habit that they were completely unaware of was horrendous. But nothing compared to telling my son his mother was dead the following day I will NEVER forget the sound of the moan that escaped his small mouth……
In our/my many year odyssey through our addiction we tried many “cures” 21 day meth detox- then 6 month meth detox- and even an “experimental doctor named Dr. Revicci (sp?) here in NYC whose name escapes me-he ran a hospital for addicts in the 50-60’s and had apparent success with the use of some types of compounds that frankly I forget. (H.Lostoft any of that ring a bell) his hospital was in upper Manhattan. I have the literature somewhere and will try to find it if anyone cares. By the way his cure “worked” but we were to dumb to know it. He got us through thefirst few days relatively painless but exhaustion and the baby’s needs took it’s toll. And we picked up.
After my wife’s death I went to a 21 day rehab after a hospitalized one week detox and spent a few months in constant pain and with very very little sleep and it wasn’t long before I was a newly widowed single father with a huge habit. After a year or so of that I went on the Methadone program that I am on now with the attitude that it would be my insulin and take care of what I considered a medical problem. I thought I would be on it for the rest of my life.
Even way back before her death I had heard inklings about Ibogaine and was always drawn to it on a subtle level I find hard to explain. The use of a psychedelic even one as apparently unenjoyable (as opposed to LSD say) seems to make sense to me…hmmmmmmmm But it was only available far away I thought.
Now after remarrying an amazing woman with no addiction history at all and after being so far out of the”loop” as far as being an active heroin addict with ‘copping’ and all, I feel I can be done with this but I KNOW that a meth detox is beyond my scope I know that six months or more of sleepless exhaustion and all the rest after the slow weaning process is more than I can deal with and is not in my future.
BUT a session with Ibogaine seems perfect. An eye opening if scary adventure that will help me get a clean slate is just what I need and seems the only real hope I have of getting off this Methadone.
When reading statements like “doing Ibogaine will reset your brain to it’s pre addicted state” well I am simply overjoyed at the thought that this is possible.
From what I have read here and elsewhere if one is not surrounded by active addicts or in that world even one treatment can and will work to get me over this Methadone thing.
I live in NYC and dont have much money. But I am determined that Ibogaine is the solution to a problem I have been dealing with in overwhelming and subtle ways for far too long now.
I have sent a similar letter to Marc Emory at his Ibogaine House but if anyone else can steer me in the direction of a place to get Ibogaine treatment I will be ever grateful!
I so enjoy reading most of the posts on this list and wish all here nothing but wellness and joy in their lives.
Freak Freely!
Love,
Jeff G
From: “Sara” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine]
Date: August 24, 2003 at 4:23:47 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Howard ,
Yes , probably it is just a matter of language, excuse me if I put the
wrong word.
Humaniversity people are working with addicts without Ibo.
But they do have a holistic treatment which is working. A constitutional
treatment. I can see that a combination of the two could be very
beneficial for someone who would like to change their lifestyle.
Humaniversity people think so too.
Maybe you don’t think of yourself as a supervisor okey, but you never
let me down when I asked you things you were open to answer and took
your time to do so, many other people who have been here told me the
same they could feel that you care.
That’s why I think it is of my interest to show you my gratitude.
Sara
—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: zondag 24 augustus 2003 21:41
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Go Marc Emery!
In a message dated 8/24/03 6:44:57 PM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:
<< The wonderful people from
Humaniversity
are will to help. our first interest is to show our gratitude to Howard
Lotsof who is the founder,our inspiration and supervisor.
Dear Sara,
Possibly it is a matter of language but, I am not your or
Humaniversity’s
supervisor. Inspiration possibly, founder in terms of having discovered
ibogaine’s antiaddictive effects…cannot deny.
Please keep is informed about any iboga/ibogaine humaniversity project.
Howard
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Go Marc Emery!
Date: August 24, 2003 at 3:41:23 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In a message dated 8/24/03 6:44:57 PM, sara119@xs4all.nl writes:
<< The wonderful people from
Humaniversity
are will to help. our first interest is to show our gratitude to Howard
Lotsof who is the founder,our inspiration and supervisor.
Dear Sara,
Possibly it is a matter of language but, I am not your or Humaniversity’s
supervisor. Inspiration possibly, founder in terms of having discovered
ibogaine’s antiaddictive effects…cannot deny.
Please keep is informed about any iboga/ibogaine humaniversity project.
Howard
From: “Sara” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Go Marc Emery!
Date: August 24, 2003 at 2:37:07 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Thanks for telling,
I have been providing pot with Iboga for the last four years it was
included
In the therapy,
Marc Emery is maybe sticking his neck for many people but not for the
one who helped him get the idea and the Manuel info. to start his iboga
house therapy and the idea provide pot in the treatment.
So it is only a matter of self interest.
You got help good for you.
We are starting in The Netherlands a social humanitarian Institution
that will provide
More then Iboga and pot for addicts, working on deeper emotional levels
constitutional therapy and more, The wonderful people from
Humaniversity
are will to help. our first interest is to show our gratitude to Howard
Lotsof who is the founder,our inspiration and supervisor.
All the best.
Sara
—–Original Message—–
From: deartheo@ziplip.com [mailto:deartheo@ziplip.com]
Sent: zondag 24 augustus 2003 18:52
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Go Marc Emery!
Yeah, decent article i guess, but they are still spinning the facts a
bit i think. How could they not know that through the Canadian Courts
cannibus has been struck from the control substance act or as they
phrase it “marijuana is an offence unknown to law”. I faxed and
e-mailed rolling stone, Time, Newsweek, every TV news station in the
nation and every newspaper in the nation (usa) because it appears they
are ignoring the reality of the situation and only talking about
REcriminalization that they call decriminalization. Herb has really
helped me spiritually and it has helped me during this whole kicking
methadone experience, both before, during and after iboga treatment. I
know junkies who kicked with nothing but herb, i wouldn’t recommend it
but if its all you got, i bet it will cut the edge off the sickness.
Here are the facts if any of you care about this kind of thing, (marc
emery is really sticking his neck out for allot of people)
SUMMER OF LEGALIZATION
TOUR 2003
by Marc Emery
Its July 2003, and I believe that not only should
marijuana be legal in Canada, but that in fact it
IS legal in Canada.
Here’s how marijuana became legal…
In July 2000, the Ontario Court of Appeal, the
highest appeal court in Ontario save the
Supreme Court of Canada, ordered the
Canadian Parliament to change/amend the
existing legislation in the Controlled Drugs &
Substances Act (CDSA). The Court ordered
the Parliament to draft a new law that took
into account a supply and legal access of
marijuana for recognized medical marijuana
patients in Canada. (the case is: R. v. Parker).
The government did not appeal this verdict, but
in fact agreed that new legislation to recognize
the court order was pending. The Court of
Appeal gave the Parliament 365 days to come
up with a new law, recognized by Parliament,
that provided medical marijuana access, and IF
Parliament failed to enact a new law, then
cannabis would be stricken from the
Controlled Drugs & Substances Act.
365 days went by and no new law was passed
by Parliament. Instead, only a few, largely
obstructive regulations were changed by Health
Canada. The Court of Appeal order was
ignored by Parliament.
On August 1, 2001, by order of the Court of
Appeal of Ontario, cannabis was struck from
the Controlled Drugs & Substances Act. For
many days afterward, I told anyone who would
listen that ‘marijuana is now legal, but no one
believes me.’ In fact, it would be a full eighteen
months before the media began informing the
public that marijuana may very well be legal in
Ontario, even as federal Parliament was planning
to REcriminalize cannabis, packaging this
new legislation (Bill C-38) as ‘decriminalization’.
On February 2nd of this year, a verdict came
back from a Judge Phillips in Windsor,
Ontario. A lawyer named Brian McAllister
introduced a hitherto novel case to the
Provincial Court judge. McAllister explained to
the Court that marijuana was now legal as a
consequence of Parliament ignoring the July
2000 Ontario Court of Appeal court order.
Judge Phillips examined the merits of
McAllister’s presentation, brought to the court in
the case of a 17 year old Windsor youth being
charged with possession of marijuana, and
agreed. Judge Phillips concluded that there
was no valid prohibition of marijuana, and
ordered the 17 year old pot smoking defendant
to go free, as marijuana possession was no
longer an offense ‘known to law’.
The federal government appealed the Phillips
decision and Justice Stephen Rogin, of the
Superior Court, heard the case. This was an
Appeal Court whose decision would be binding
on all the Provincial Court judges who typically
hear marijuana possession cases. On May 16,
Justice Rogin surprised the world when he
agreed with Judge Phillips, declaring that The
Ontario Court of Appeal in July 2000 had set
clear instructions, and that, as of his decision
on May 16, there was no marijuana offense
‘known to law’ any longer in any Ontario
court.
The federal government appealed to stay
(quash) this ruling from going into effect but the
Ontario Court of Appeal refused to quash the
Rogin ruling, thus absolutely making marijuana
legal and unregulated in Ontario. The Court of
Appeal is reviewing the decision in August, but
any decision from that Court will not come out
until late November 2003. Parliament cannot
pass any new laws until mid November at the
earliest, so legal marijuana is a certain
LEGAL FACT at least until the end of the
year.
The Court of Appeal decision that made the
cannabis possession law an offense ‘not known
to law’ however, makes null and void an aspect
of the CDSA that is applied all across Canada.
The marijuana possession laws were deemed
invalid in Ontario in Ontario Courts, but the law
struck down is one that affects ALL Canadians.
It is my belief that since a Court of Appeal has
struck down the cannabis possession law, and
that at the time of the verdict of the Court of
Appeal in July 2000 the government did not
appeal the decision, but agreed to abide by the
ruling, then in fact a portion of the Controlled
Drugs & Substances Act, dealing with the inclusion
of cannabis as a Schedule II drug, has
been struck from the Act, and that cannabis
possession is not an offense known to law
ANYWHERE in Canada.
That is why I am here today, SMOKING and
POSSESSING MARIJUANA in front of your
community’s local POLICE HEADQUARTERS. I
am asserting, in the most direct way I can, that
marijuana is entirely legal and must be recognized
as such by your local magistrates and
police officers.
Not only must we assert our rights under the
current ‘legalized’ environment, but we must
assert our deserved expectation that marijuana
be legalized and recognized by the Canadian
government when Parliament reconvenes in the
fall. Politicians will try to turn back the clock and
REcriminalize marijuana. This is our big opportunity
to demonstrate that legalization is a win-win
situation for everyone, and we must fight
against the inevitable prohibitionist reaction to
try to criminalize us again.
Next year is a federal election. I want as many
of you as can be convinced to run as Marijuana
Party of Canada candidates.
The Marijuana Party of Canada will need candidates
next Spring or Fall for the 2004 Federal
Election. The Liberal Party, with the assistance
of the Canadian Alliance, will likely try to REcriminalize
marijuana in this next session. The
Marijuana Party of Canada believes in full freedom
for the Canadian cannabis culture, which means legalization. That is
what
we must advocate
at all times. Full legalization is the only policy
that will satisfy every segment of Canadian
society. Certainly it is the only remedy to our
culture being treated disgracefully for the last
70 years by the police, the courts and the law.
Over 1,000,000 Canadians have criminal
records for cannabis. We continue to experience
violent, brutal police raids on our growers,
sellers and the rest of us in the cannabis culture
throughout Canada. This must end. Only
legalization will end the appalling apartheid the
marijuana community endures as a consequence
of prohibition.
I urge you to stay connected to the marijuana
community by subscribing to Cannabis Culture
Magazine, watching POT-TV.NET, viewing
Cannabis Culture Online (cannabisculture.com),
and by joining the Marijuana Party of Canada
(http://www.marijuanaparty.org).
Marc Emery
Irrational laws will not be tolerated by an
informed public. The Findings Of Fact that have been accepted by the
Ontario Court of Appeal would provide a standard for
factual information about cannabis:
1. Consumption of marijuana is relatively harmless
compared to the so-called hard drugs and including
tobacco and alcohol;
2. There exists no hard evidence demonstrating any
irreversible organic or mental damage from the consumption
of marijuana;
3. That cannabis does cause alteration of mental functions
and as such, it would not be prudent to drive a
car while intoxicated;
4. There is no hard evidence that cannabis consumption
induces psychoses;
5. Cannabis is not an addictive substance;
6. Marijuana is not criminogenic in that there is no evidence
of a causal relationship between cannabis use
and criminality;
7. That the consumption of marijuana probably does
not lead to “hard drug” use for the vast majority of
marijuana consumers, although there appears to be a
statistical relationship between the use of marijuana
and a variety of other psychoactive drugs;
8. Marijuana does not make people more aggressive
or violent;
9. There have been no recorded deaths from the consumption
of marijuana;
10. There is no evidence that marijuana causes amotivational
syndrome;
11. Less than 1% of marijuana consumers are daily
users;
12. Consumption in so-called “de-criminalized states”
does not increase out of proportion to states where
there is no de-criminalization.
13. Health related costs of cannabis use are negligible
when compared to the costs attributable to tobacco
and alcohol consumption.
In July 2000, the Ontario Court of
Appeal ordered the Parliament to
draft a new law that took into
account a supply and legal access of
marijuana for recognized medical
marijuana patients in Canada.
The court order stated that if
Parliament failed to enact a new law,
then cannabis would be stricken
from the Controlled Drugs &
Substances Act.
The Court of Appeal order was
ignored by Parliament.
KINGSTON – AUGUST 25
LONDON – AUG 26
HAMILTON – AUG 27
SUDBURY – AUG 28
WINDSOR – August 29
Toronto – August 30
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Pubdate: Thu, 04 Sep 2003
Source: Rolling Stone (US)
Section: National Affairs, page 79
Copyright: 2003 Straight Arrow Publishers Company, L.P.
Contact: letters@rollingstone.com
Website: http://www.rollingstone.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/373
Author: Stephen Glass
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mjcn.htm (Cannabis – Canada)
CANADA’S POT REVOLUTION
North of the Border, Marijuana Policy Is Changing Radically. and The
White House Is Not Happy
In November 2001, when Alain Berthiaume – Montreal’s most prominent
marijuana activist – was arrested on drug charges, the best advice
might have been to plead guilty. Berthiaume, who owns a head shop, a
grow shop, a seed band and a pot-culture magazine, was caught
organizing his third annual Cannabis Cup – a public competition for
marijuana growers. Several months later, the police raided his home
and found 1,2000 cannabis plants – what Berthiaume calls his “small
plantation”
But Berthiaume thought he shouldn’t have to go to prison. “I’ve been
smoking all my life,” he says. “I no longer want to be treated as a
failure, a drug addict, a fucking thief.”
So when the prosecutor offered him a plea deal with only one year of
jail time, he refused it.
And Berthiaume might just win.
In the past few months, a storm of legal reforms in Canada has made
it
likely that marijuana will be decriminalized before the year is out.
By then, Parliament is expected to have passed a bill that will make
the possession of small amounts of marijuana merely a ticketable
offense, much like speeding. Meanwhile, this past spring, an Ontario
court voided the country’s possession law on technical grounds,
meaning that in the province at least, there is currently no law
against possessing small amounts of marijuana. And this fall, the
Canadian Supreme Court will determine whether the country’s laws
prohibiting marijuana possession are unconstitutional and therefore
must be struck down altogether.
Predictably, these reforms have the Bush administration steaming.
Asa
Hutchinson, a senior official in the Department of Homeland
Security,
warned Canadian journalists that their country would face
“consequences” it passed decriminalization.
The U.S. “would have to respond” to a change in Canada’s drug laws,
David Murray, a top member of the Office of National Drug Control
Policy, told reporters in Vancouver. “This isn’t Woodstock.”
And John Walters, the drug czar himself, hinted in an interview with
the Boston Globe that the northern border of the U.S. may have to be
restricted, maybe even semimilitarized, like the border with Mexico.
That’s a significant threat to the Canadian economy, which relies
heavily on fluid trade with the U.S.
But for all its bravado, the Bush administration has Canada’s
marijuana laws all wrong. The Canadians don’t see the proposed new
law
as a step towards legalization; officials there see it as a soft and
sensible way to crack down on drug use. Adults caught with fifteen
grams or less (about half an ounce) would be fined $150 (U.S. $107);
minors would own $100 (U.S. $71) and a letter would be sent to their
parents. That would be the extent of it. No handcuffs, no mug shot,
no
overnight in lockup, no court appearance. Moreover, as with parking
violations there would no cumulative punishments – as long as you
paid
your tickets, you could rack up an infinite number of infractions
without fear of additional or harsher penalties.
In larger cases, when an individual is caught with between fifteen
and
thirty grams, police would have the discretion to issue a ticket
(with
double the fines) or file criminal charges, carrying the old
penalties
– up to six months in jail.
Unlike in the U.S., where pot prosecutions have skyrocketed during
the
past few years – more than 640,000 people were arrested for
possession
in 2001, nearly double the number arrested for all marijuana
offenses
in 1992 – Canada’s judicial system only rarely enforces its own pot
laws.
In 1999, Canadian police charged only about 21,000 people with
cannabis possession. And that’s only about half the number of times
law enforcement reported an “incident” of cannabis possession. In
other words, police looked the other way just as often as they
arrested people.
Richmond, British Columbia – a city whose prosecutions were examined
by a government commission – is a good example. In 2001, the Royal
Canadian Mounted Police found individuals in possession of marijuana
605 times. But they charged only thirty people.
In short, Dudley Do-Right isn’t doing much. And the country’s
leaders
are realistic about it. “We don’t believe that charging [and]
prosecuting some 25,000 people a year really sends a message about
the
harmful effects of marijuana,” says Richard Mosley, a senior
official
in Canada’s Department of Justice. A Canadian Senate committee came
to
the same conclusion last year, noting that “any deterrent effect
[the
current law] may have [is] seriously in doubt.”
Instead, the Department of Justice expects that when the penalty is
reduced to a mere fine, nabbing offenders will be more efficient,
and
in turn a far greater number of Canadians will be pinched for pot.
Criminologists call this phenomenon the “net-widening effect.”
“[This reform] is not in any way an endorsement of a relaxed
approach
to the possession and use of cannabis,” Mosley says. “The level of
enforcement will go up.”
Moreover, the bill, if anything, ought to lessen the flow of pot
from
Canada to the U.S., not increase it – making the Bush
administration’s
concerns even more off the mark.
The proposed law will double the penalties – from seven to fourteen
years – for large-scale growers: those with fifty plants or more,
who
presumably cultivate much of the pot that is shipped south. At the
same time, it leaves untouched the current draconian penalties for
trafficking or exporting drugs – offenses that still allow life
imprisonment.
In sharp counterpoint to the U.S., Canada simply lacks any strong
voice in favor of strict enforcement of criminal penalties for
marijuana use. Last September, Canada’s Senate Special Committee on
Illegal Drugs issued an exhaustive 600-page-plus report that
examined
every aspect of the country’s marijuana laws and concluded that
legalization was the necessary reform.
Instead, some lawmakers even seem to find the whole subject amusing,
treating it with a casual offhandedness unthinkable for their U.S.
counterparts. When asked by reporters whether he had ever smoked
marijuana, Minister of Justice Martin Cauchon said, “I’m thirty-nine
years old…. Yes, of course I tried it before, obviously.” And when
the bill got delayed at one point, Canada’s Prime Minister Jean
Chretien told reporters, “It’s coming, it’s coming. Relax. You don’t
have to smoke it to relax.”
Even Dan McTeague, one of the bill’s leading, and most thoughtful,
opponents, was careful to say, “I don’t believe you throw people in
jail because they smoked marijuana. That’s absurd.” Instead,
McTeague
says he will oppose the bill because he’s concerned about the health
consequences for marijuana users and the public-safety risks of
widespread pot use.
Ironically, it’s the pot activists who seem most upset about the
upcoming changes in the law, seeing them as a rear-guard attempt to
recriminalize pot possession after it had already been
decriminalized
in practice (though not in law). All across the country, smokers and
growers have been ignoring pot laws during the past few years,
banking
on the fact that even if they got arrested, nothing would happen.
Pot
is openly smoked in coffee shops in Vancouver and even in smaller,
provincial cities such as Saint John, New Brunswick.
“It’s all cosmetic,” says Marc-Boris St.-Maurice, the leader of the
federal Marijuana Party, who has been arrested several times on pot
charges. “The day the government realizes there’s money to be made
writing tickets for potheads, we’re going to increase the amount of
potheads being targeted.”
At Crosstown Traffic, an Ottawa head shop, many of the clients said
they, too, were worried about the ticketing scheme. One customer,
Oliver Greer, a smart, confident, and at times very funny
nineteen-year-old, is particularly concerned about how much the new
law sill cost him. Greer says he smokes between fifteen and twenty
joints a day.
“If you get caught smoking a joint by a cop, he’s just going to take
it and throw it away,” Greer says. But when the ticketing system
kicks
in, he predicts, “For people who smoke lots and lots of weed, the
fucking tickets are going to add up, you know what I mean?”
Pot has reached so deeply into Canadian daily life that Canada could
very well become the most stoned country on earth. According to
Alain
Berthiaume, even small towns – some with as few as 15,000 people –
have grow shops.
In Saint John, a small costal city ninety minutes from the Maine
border, Jim Wood recently added a pot-friendly coffee bar to Hemp
N.B., the head shop that he and his wife, Lynn, own. But later this
month, the couple says they will become the very first to take the
final, most controversial step for Canada’s marijuana movement: They
will begin openly selling pot to the public over the counter. Even
Berthiaume – despite his many marijuana ventures – never actually
deals, but the Woods intend to do some, and to do it
unabashedly.
“What we want,” says Jim Wood, “is Americans coming up here,
spending
their U.S. dollars on our pot.”
Wood believes he has the right to sell pot thanks to a loophole in
Canada’s medical-marijuana laws: The cafe at Hemp N.B. will sell pot
to anyone who presents a photocopy of any doctor’s diagnosis. While
Hemp N.B. will check to ensure the diagnosis comes from a legitimate
doctor, a customer’s doctor’s note can say anything. It need not
prescribe marijuana, Wood stresses. It doesn’t even need to be
evidence of an illness that’s normally thought to be treatable with
marijuana. “Dandruff would work,” says Wood. “If you felt that
eating
or smoking pot – or maybe even rubbing it in your hair – would help,
you’re more than free to do so, as far as I’m concerned.”
Wood says that he and his wife designed the coffee shop at Hemp N.B.
to resemble a well-worn 1970s living room, with an overabundance of
houseplants, checkers and cribbage sets, and comfortable seats.
Adults
over nineteen, he says, may never smoke their own pot as long as
they
buy a cup of coffee. Tobacco smokers, thought, must take their
cigarettes outside. In May, a few weeks after the cafe opened,
police
officers hauled off five pot smokers. But when they appeared in
court,
an officer told them to go home. Charges still haven’t been filed,
presumably because of the current flux in the law. (In Nova Scotia
and
Prince Edward Island, to other eastern Canadian provinces, the
courts
have suspended all marijuana prosecutions.)
Now, business is booming. Wood says he’s getting about seventy-five
customers a day; and, increasingly, Americans making port calls on
North Atlantic cruse ships are stopping by – just as he’d hoped.
Wood seems to be anticipating a future free of marijuana laws, or at
least of their enforcement – and so, in his own way, is Berthiaume.
Ten years from now, Berthiaume says, he’s “positive, positive,
positive” that there won’t be trials like his anymore in Canada.
For now, though, he is awaiting sentencing. Based on the judge’s
reactions from the bench, Berthiaume expects to receive six months
to
a year in prison, or maybe house arrest. But he vows that the legal
hassles won’t cause him to cancel his Cannabis Cup for the second
straight year. “We’re going to do it again, man,” he assured me. “We
cannot let that go, man.”
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From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Go Marc Emery!
Date: August 24, 2003 at 12:52:28 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Yeah, decent article i guess, but they are still spinning the facts a bit i think. How could they not know that through the Canadian Courts cannibus has been struck from the control substance act or as they phrase it “marijuana is an offence unknown to law”. I faxed and e-mailed rolling stone, Time, Newsweek, every TV news station in the nation and every newspaper in the nation (usa) because it appears they are ignoring the reality of the situation and only talking about REcriminalization that they call decriminalization. Herb has really helped me spiritually and it has helped me during this whole kicking methadone experience, both before, during and after iboga treatment. I know junkies who kicked with nothing but herb, i wouldn’t recommend it but if its all you got, i bet it will cut the edge off the sickness. Here are the facts if any of you care about this kind of thing, (marc emery is really sticking his neck out for allot of people)
SUMMER OF LEGALIZATION
TOUR 2003
by Marc Emery
Its July 2003, and I believe that not only should
marijuana be legal in Canada, but that in fact it
IS legal in Canada.
Here’s how marijuana became legal…
In July 2000, the Ontario Court of Appeal, the
highest appeal court in Ontario save the
Supreme Court of Canada, ordered the
Canadian Parliament to change/amend the
existing legislation in the Controlled Drugs &
Substances Act (CDSA). The Court ordered
the Parliament to draft a new law that took
into account a supply and legal access of
marijuana for recognized medical marijuana
patients in Canada. (the case is: R. v. Parker).
The government did not appeal this verdict, but
in fact agreed that new legislation to recognize
the court order was pending. The Court of
Appeal gave the Parliament 365 days to come
up with a new law, recognized by Parliament,
that provided medical marijuana access, and IF
Parliament failed to enact a new law, then
cannabis would be stricken from the
Controlled Drugs & Substances Act.
365 days went by and no new law was passed
by Parliament. Instead, only a few, largely
obstructive regulations were changed by Health
Canada. The Court of Appeal order was
ignored by Parliament.
On August 1, 2001, by order of the Court of
Appeal of Ontario, cannabis was struck from
the Controlled Drugs & Substances Act. For
many days afterward, I told anyone who would
listen that ‘marijuana is now legal, but no one
believes me.’ In fact, it would be a full eighteen
months before the media began informing the
public that marijuana may very well be legal in
Ontario, even as federal Parliament was planning
to REcriminalize cannabis, packaging this
new legislation (Bill C-38) as ‘decriminalization’.
On February 2nd of this year, a verdict came
back from a Judge Phillips in Windsor,
Ontario. A lawyer named Brian McAllister
introduced a hitherto novel case to the
Provincial Court judge. McAllister explained to
the Court that marijuana was now legal as a
consequence of Parliament ignoring the July
2000 Ontario Court of Appeal court order.
Judge Phillips examined the merits of
McAllister’s presentation, brought to the court in
the case of a 17 year old Windsor youth being
charged with possession of marijuana, and
agreed. Judge Phillips concluded that there
was no valid prohibition of marijuana, and
ordered the 17 year old pot smoking defendant
to go free, as marijuana possession was no
longer an offense ‘known to law’.
The federal government appealed the Phillips
decision and Justice Stephen Rogin, of the
Superior Court, heard the case. This was an
Appeal Court whose decision would be binding
on all the Provincial Court judges who typically
hear marijuana possession cases. On May 16,
Justice Rogin surprised the world when he
agreed with Judge Phillips, declaring that The
Ontario Court of Appeal in July 2000 had set
clear instructions, and that, as of his decision
on May 16, there was no marijuana offense
‘known to law’ any longer in any Ontario
court.
The federal government appealed to stay
(quash) this ruling from going into effect but the
Ontario Court of Appeal refused to quash the
Rogin ruling, thus absolutely making marijuana
legal and unregulated in Ontario. The Court of
Appeal is reviewing the decision in August, but
any decision from that Court will not come out
until late November 2003. Parliament cannot
pass any new laws until mid November at the
earliest, so legal marijuana is a certain
LEGAL FACT at least until the end of the
year.
The Court of Appeal decision that made the
cannabis possession law an offense ‘not known
to law’ however, makes null and void an aspect
of the CDSA that is applied all across Canada.
The marijuana possession laws were deemed
invalid in Ontario in Ontario Courts, but the law
struck down is one that affects ALL Canadians.
It is my belief that since a Court of Appeal has
struck down the cannabis possession law, and
that at the time of the verdict of the Court of
Appeal in July 2000 the government did not
appeal the decision, but agreed to abide by the
ruling, then in fact a portion of the Controlled
Drugs & Substances Act, dealing with the inclusion
of cannabis as a Schedule II drug, has
been struck from the Act, and that cannabis
possession is not an offense known to law
ANYWHERE in Canada.
That is why I am here today, SMOKING and
POSSESSING MARIJUANA in front of your
community’s local POLICE HEADQUARTERS. I
am asserting, in the most direct way I can, that
marijuana is entirely legal and must be recognized
as such by your local magistrates and
police officers.
Not only must we assert our rights under the
current ‘legalized’ environment, but we must
assert our deserved expectation that marijuana
be legalized and recognized by the Canadian
government when Parliament reconvenes in the
fall. Politicians will try to turn back the clock and
REcriminalize marijuana. This is our big opportunity
to demonstrate that legalization is a win-win
situation for everyone, and we must fight
against the inevitable prohibitionist reaction to
try to criminalize us again.
Next year is a federal election. I want as many
of you as can be convinced to run as Marijuana
Party of Canada candidates.
The Marijuana Party of Canada will need candidates
next Spring or Fall for the 2004 Federal
Election. The Liberal Party, with the assistance
of the Canadian Alliance, will likely try to REcriminalize
marijuana in this next session. The
Marijuana Party of Canada believes in full freedom
for the Canadian cannabis culture, which means legalization. That is what
we must advocate
at all times. Full legalization is the only policy
that will satisfy every segment of Canadian
society. Certainly it is the only remedy to our
culture being treated disgracefully for the last
70 years by the police, the courts and the law.
Over 1,000,000 Canadians have criminal
records for cannabis. We continue to experience
violent, brutal police raids on our growers,
sellers and the rest of us in the cannabis culture
throughout Canada. This must end. Only
legalization will end the appalling apartheid the
marijuana community endures as a consequence
of prohibition.
I urge you to stay connected to the marijuana
community by subscribing to Cannabis Culture
Magazine, watching POT-TV.NET, viewing
Cannabis Culture Online (cannabisculture.com),
and by joining the Marijuana Party of Canada
(http://www.marijuanaparty.org).
Marc Emery
Irrational laws will not be tolerated by an
informed public. The Findings Of Fact that have been accepted by the
Ontario Court of Appeal would provide a standard for
factual information about cannabis:
1. Consumption of marijuana is relatively harmless
compared to the so-called hard drugs and including
tobacco and alcohol;
2. There exists no hard evidence demonstrating any
irreversible organic or mental damage from the consumption
of marijuana;
3. That cannabis does cause alteration of mental functions
and as such, it would not be prudent to drive a
car while intoxicated;
4. There is no hard evidence that cannabis consumption
induces psychoses;
5. Cannabis is not an addictive substance;
6. Marijuana is not criminogenic in that there is no evidence
of a causal relationship between cannabis use
and criminality;
7. That the consumption of marijuana probably does
not lead to “hard drug” use for the vast majority of
marijuana consumers, although there appears to be a
statistical relationship between the use of marijuana
and a variety of other psychoactive drugs;
8. Marijuana does not make people more aggressive
or violent;
9. There have been no recorded deaths from the consumption
of marijuana;
10. There is no evidence that marijuana causes amotivational
syndrome;
11. Less than 1% of marijuana consumers are daily
users;
12. Consumption in so-called “de-criminalized states”
does not increase out of proportion to states where
there is no de-criminalization.
13. Health related costs of cannabis use are negligible
when compared to the costs attributable to tobacco
and alcohol consumption.
In July 2000, the Ontario Court of
Appeal ordered the Parliament to
draft a new law that took into
account a supply and legal access of
marijuana for recognized medical
marijuana patients in Canada.
The court order stated that if
Parliament failed to enact a new law,
then cannabis would be stricken
from the Controlled Drugs &
Substances Act.
The Court of Appeal order was
ignored by Parliament.
KINGSTON – AUGUST 25
LONDON – AUG 26
HAMILTON – AUG 27
SUDBURY – AUG 28
WINDSOR – August 29
Toronto – August 30
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From: Vector Vector [mailto:vector620022002@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003, 1:47 AM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Go Marc Emery!
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Pubdate: Thu, 04 Sep 2003
Source: Rolling Stone (US)
Section: National Affairs, page 79
Copyright: 2003 Straight Arrow Publishers Company, L.P.
Contact: letters@rollingstone.com
Website: http://www.rollingstone.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/373
Author: Stephen Glass
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mjcn.htm (Cannabis – Canada)
CANADA’S POT REVOLUTION
North of the Border, Marijuana Policy Is Changing Radically. and The
White House Is Not Happy
In November 2001, when Alain Berthiaume – Montreal’s most prominent
marijuana activist – was arrested on drug charges, the best advice
might have been to plead guilty. Berthiaume, who owns a head shop, a
grow shop, a seed band and a pot-culture magazine, was caught
organizing his third annual Cannabis Cup – a public competition for
marijuana growers. Several months later, the police raided his home
and found 1,2000 cannabis plants – what Berthiaume calls his “small
plantation”
But Berthiaume thought he shouldn’t have to go to prison. “I’ve been
smoking all my life,” he says. “I no longer want to be treated as a
failure, a drug addict, a fucking thief.”
So when the prosecutor offered him a plea deal with only one year of
jail time, he refused it.
And Berthiaume might just win.
In the past few months, a storm of legal reforms in Canada has made
it
likely that marijuana will be decriminalized before the year is out.
By then, Parliament is expected to have passed a bill that will make
the possession of small amounts of marijuana merely a ticketable
offense, much like speeding. Meanwhile, this past spring, an Ontario
court voided the country’s possession law on technical grounds,
meaning that in the province at least, there is currently no law
against possessing small amounts of marijuana. And this fall, the
Canadian Supreme Court will determine whether the country’s laws
prohibiting marijuana possession are unconstitutional and therefore
must be struck down altogether.
Predictably, these reforms have the Bush administration steaming. Asa
Hutchinson, a senior official in the Department of Homeland Security,
warned Canadian journalists that their country would face
“consequences” it passed decriminalization.
The U.S. “would have to respond” to a change in Canada’s drug laws,
David Murray, a top member of the Office of National Drug Control
Policy, told reporters in Vancouver. “This isn’t Woodstock.”
And John Walters, the drug czar himself, hinted in an interview with
the Boston Globe that the northern border of the U.S. may have to be
restricted, maybe even semimilitarized, like the border with Mexico.
That’s a significant threat to the Canadian economy, which relies
heavily on fluid trade with the U.S.
But for all its bravado, the Bush administration has Canada’s
marijuana laws all wrong. The Canadians don’t see the proposed new
law
as a step towards legalization; officials there see it as a soft and
sensible way to crack down on drug use. Adults caught with fifteen
grams or less (about half an ounce) would be fined $150 (U.S. $107);
minors would own $100 (U.S. $71) and a letter would be sent to their
parents. That would be the extent of it. No handcuffs, no mug shot,
no
overnight in lockup, no court appearance. Moreover, as with parking
violations there would no cumulative punishments – as long as you
paid
your tickets, you could rack up an infinite number of infractions
without fear of additional or harsher penalties.
In larger cases, when an individual is caught with between fifteen
and
thirty grams, police would have the discretion to issue a ticket
(with
double the fines) or file criminal charges, carrying the old
penalties
– up to six months in jail.
Unlike in the U.S., where pot prosecutions have skyrocketed during
the
past few years – more than 640,000 people were arrested for
possession
in 2001, nearly double the number arrested for all marijuana offenses
in 1992 – Canada’s judicial system only rarely enforces its own pot
laws.
In 1999, Canadian police charged only about 21,000 people with
cannabis possession. And that’s only about half the number of times
law enforcement reported an “incident” of cannabis possession. In
other words, police looked the other way just as often as they
arrested people.
Richmond, British Columbia – a city whose prosecutions were examined
by a government commission – is a good example. In 2001, the Royal
Canadian Mounted Police found individuals in possession of marijuana
605 times. But they charged only thirty people.
In short, Dudley Do-Right isn’t doing much. And the country’s leaders
are realistic about it. “We don’t believe that charging [and]
prosecuting some 25,000 people a year really sends a message about
the
harmful effects of marijuana,” says Richard Mosley, a senior official
in Canada’s Department of Justice. A Canadian Senate committee came
to
the same conclusion last year, noting that “any deterrent effect [the
current law] may have [is] seriously in doubt.”
Instead, the Department of Justice expects that when the penalty is
reduced to a mere fine, nabbing offenders will be more efficient, and
in turn a far greater number of Canadians will be pinched for pot.
Criminologists call this phenomenon the “net-widening effect.”
“[This reform] is not in any way an endorsement of a relaxed approach
to the possession and use of cannabis,” Mosley says. “The level of
enforcement will go up.”
Moreover, the bill, if anything, ought to lessen the flow of pot from
Canada to the U.S., not increase it – making the Bush
administration’s
concerns even more off the mark.
The proposed law will double the penalties – from seven to fourteen
years – for large-scale growers: those with fifty plants or more, who
presumably cultivate much of the pot that is shipped south. At the
same time, it leaves untouched the current draconian penalties for
trafficking or exporting drugs – offenses that still allow life
imprisonment.
In sharp counterpoint to the U.S., Canada simply lacks any strong
voice in favor of strict enforcement of criminal penalties for
marijuana use. Last September, Canada’s Senate Special Committee on
Illegal Drugs issued an exhaustive 600-page-plus report that examined
every aspect of the country’s marijuana laws and concluded that
legalization was the necessary reform.
Instead, some lawmakers even seem to find the whole subject amusing,
treating it with a casual offhandedness unthinkable for their U.S.
counterparts. When asked by reporters whether he had ever smoked
marijuana, Minister of Justice Martin Cauchon said, “I’m thirty-nine
years old…. Yes, of course I tried it before, obviously.” And when
the bill got delayed at one point, Canada’s Prime Minister Jean
Chretien told reporters, “It’s coming, it’s coming. Relax. You don’t
have to smoke it to relax.”
Even Dan McTeague, one of the bill’s leading, and most thoughtful,
opponents, was careful to say, “I don’t believe you throw people in
jail because they smoked marijuana. That’s absurd.” Instead, McTeague
says he will oppose the bill because he’s concerned about the health
consequences for marijuana users and the public-safety risks of
widespread pot use.
Ironically, it’s the pot activists who seem most upset about the
upcoming changes in the law, seeing them as a rear-guard attempt to
recriminalize pot possession after it had already been decriminalized
in practice (though not in law). All across the country, smokers and
growers have been ignoring pot laws during the past few years,
banking
on the fact that even if they got arrested, nothing would happen. Pot
is openly smoked in coffee shops in Vancouver and even in smaller,
provincial cities such as Saint John, New Brunswick.
“It’s all cosmetic,” says Marc-Boris St.-Maurice, the leader of the
federal Marijuana Party, who has been arrested several times on pot
charges. “The day the government realizes there’s money to be made
writing tickets for potheads, we’re going to increase the amount of
potheads being targeted.”
At Crosstown Traffic, an Ottawa head shop, many of the clients said
they, too, were worried about the ticketing scheme. One customer,
Oliver Greer, a smart, confident, and at times very funny
nineteen-year-old, is particularly concerned about how much the new
law sill cost him. Greer says he smokes between fifteen and twenty
joints a day.
“If you get caught smoking a joint by a cop, he’s just going to take
it and throw it away,” Greer says. But when the ticketing system
kicks
in, he predicts, “For people who smoke lots and lots of weed, the
fucking tickets are going to add up, you know what I mean?”
Pot has reached so deeply into Canadian daily life that Canada could
very well become the most stoned country on earth. According to Alain
Berthiaume, even small towns – some with as few as 15,000 people –
have grow shops.
In Saint John, a small costal city ninety minutes from the Maine
border, Jim Wood recently added a pot-friendly coffee bar to Hemp
N.B., the head shop that he and his wife, Lynn, own. But later this
month, the couple says they will become the very first to take the
final, most controversial step for Canada’s marijuana movement: They
will begin openly selling pot to the public over the counter. Even
Berthiaume – despite his many marijuana ventures – never actually
deals, but the Woods intend to do some, and to do it
unabashedly.
“What we want,” says Jim Wood, “is Americans coming up here, spending
their U.S. dollars on our pot.”
Wood believes he has the right to sell pot thanks to a loophole in
Canada’s medical-marijuana laws: The cafe at Hemp N.B. will sell pot
to anyone who presents a photocopy of any doctor’s diagnosis. While
Hemp N.B. will check to ensure the diagnosis comes from a legitimate
doctor, a customer’s doctor’s note can say anything. It need not
prescribe marijuana, Wood stresses. It doesn’t even need to be
evidence of an illness that’s normally thought to be treatable with
marijuana. “Dandruff would work,” says Wood. “If you felt that eating
or smoking pot – or maybe even rubbing it in your hair – would help,
you’re more than free to do so, as far as I’m concerned.”
Wood says that he and his wife designed the coffee shop at Hemp N.B.
to resemble a well-worn 1970s living room, with an overabundance of
houseplants, checkers and cribbage sets, and comfortable seats.
Adults
over nineteen, he says, may never smoke their own pot as long as they
buy a cup of coffee. Tobacco smokers, thought, must take their
cigarettes outside. In May, a few weeks after the cafe opened, police
officers hauled off five pot smokers. But when they appeared in
court,
an officer told them to go home. Charges still haven’t been filed,
presumably because of the current flux in the law. (In Nova Scotia
and
Prince Edward Island, to other eastern Canadian provinces, the courts
have suspended all marijuana prosecutions.)
Now, business is booming. Wood says he’s getting about seventy-five
customers a day; and, increasingly, Americans making port calls on
North Atlantic cruse ships are stopping by – just as he’d hoped.
Wood seems to be anticipating a future free of marijuana laws, or at
least of their enforcement – and so, in his own way, is Berthiaume.
Ten years from now, Berthiaume says, he’s “positive, positive,
positive” that there won’t be trials like his anymore in Canada.
For now, though, he is awaiting sentencing. Based on the judge’s
reactions from the bench, Berthiaume expects to receive six months to
a year in prison, or maybe house arrest. But he vows that the legal
hassles won’t cause him to cancel his Cannabis Cup for the second
straight year. “We’re going to do it again, man,” he assured me. “We
cannot let that go, man.”
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Subject: [ibogaine] Go Marc Emery!
Date: August 24, 2003 at 4:38:36 AM EDT
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Yes!
.:vector:.
— Richard Lake <rlake@mapinc.org> wrote:
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Pubdate: Thu, 04 Sep 2003
Source: Rolling Stone (US)
Section: National Affairs, page 79
Copyright: 2003 Straight Arrow Publishers Company, L.P.
Contact: letters@rollingstone.com
Website: http://www.rollingstone.com/
Details: http://www.mapinc.org/media/373
Author: Stephen Glass
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mjcn.htm (Cannabis – Canada)
CANADA’S POT REVOLUTION
North of the Border, Marijuana Policy Is Changing Radically. and The
White House Is Not Happy
In November 2001, when Alain Berthiaume – Montreal’s most prominent
marijuana activist – was arrested on drug charges, the best advice
might have been to plead guilty. Berthiaume, who owns a head shop, a
grow shop, a seed band and a pot-culture magazine, was caught
organizing his third annual Cannabis Cup – a public competition for
marijuana growers. Several months later, the police raided his home
and found 1,2000 cannabis plants – what Berthiaume calls his “small
plantation”
But Berthiaume thought he shouldn’t have to go to prison. “I’ve been
smoking all my life,” he says. “I no longer want to be treated as a
failure, a drug addict, a fucking thief.”
So when the prosecutor offered him a plea deal with only one year of
jail time, he refused it.
And Berthiaume might just win.
In the past few months, a storm of legal reforms in Canada has made
it
likely that marijuana will be decriminalized before the year is out.
By then, Parliament is expected to have passed a bill that will make
the possession of small amounts of marijuana merely a ticketable
offense, much like speeding. Meanwhile, this past spring, an Ontario
court voided the country’s possession law on technical grounds,
meaning that in the province at least, there is currently no law
against possessing small amounts of marijuana. And this fall, the
Canadian Supreme Court will determine whether the country’s laws
prohibiting marijuana possession are unconstitutional and therefore
must be struck down altogether.
Predictably, these reforms have the Bush administration steaming. Asa
Hutchinson, a senior official in the Department of Homeland Security,
warned Canadian journalists that their country would face
“consequences” it passed decriminalization.
The U.S. “would have to respond” to a change in Canada’s drug laws,
David Murray, a top member of the Office of National Drug Control
Policy, told reporters in Vancouver. “This isn’t Woodstock.”
And John Walters, the drug czar himself, hinted in an interview with
the Boston Globe that the northern border of the U.S. may have to be
restricted, maybe even semimilitarized, like the border with Mexico.
That’s a significant threat to the Canadian economy, which relies
heavily on fluid trade with the U.S.
But for all its bravado, the Bush administration has Canada’s
marijuana laws all wrong. The Canadians don’t see the proposed new
law
as a step towards legalization; officials there see it as a soft and
sensible way to crack down on drug use. Adults caught with fifteen
grams or less (about half an ounce) would be fined $150 (U.S. $107);
minors would own $100 (U.S. $71) and a letter would be sent to their
parents. That would be the extent of it. No handcuffs, no mug shot,
no
overnight in lockup, no court appearance. Moreover, as with parking
violations there would no cumulative punishments – as long as you
paid
your tickets, you could rack up an infinite number of infractions
without fear of additional or harsher penalties.
In larger cases, when an individual is caught with between fifteen
and
thirty grams, police would have the discretion to issue a ticket
(with
double the fines) or file criminal charges, carrying the old
penalties
– up to six months in jail.
Unlike in the U.S., where pot prosecutions have skyrocketed during
the
past few years – more than 640,000 people were arrested for
possession
in 2001, nearly double the number arrested for all marijuana offenses
in 1992 – Canada’s judicial system only rarely enforces its own pot
laws.
In 1999, Canadian police charged only about 21,000 people with
cannabis possession. And that’s only about half the number of times
law enforcement reported an “incident” of cannabis possession. In
other words, police looked the other way just as often as they
arrested people.
Richmond, British Columbia – a city whose prosecutions were examined
by a government commission – is a good example. In 2001, the Royal
Canadian Mounted Police found individuals in possession of marijuana
605 times. But they charged only thirty people.
In short, Dudley Do-Right isn’t doing much. And the country’s leaders
are realistic about it. “We don’t believe that charging [and]
prosecuting some 25,000 people a year really sends a message about
the
harmful effects of marijuana,” says Richard Mosley, a senior official
in Canada’s Department of Justice. A Canadian Senate committee came
to
the same conclusion last year, noting that “any deterrent effect [the
current law] may have [is] seriously in doubt.”
Instead, the Department of Justice expects that when the penalty is
reduced to a mere fine, nabbing offenders will be more efficient, and
in turn a far greater number of Canadians will be pinched for pot.
Criminologists call this phenomenon the “net-widening effect.”
“[This reform] is not in any way an endorsement of a relaxed approach
to the possession and use of cannabis,” Mosley says. “The level of
enforcement will go up.”
Moreover, the bill, if anything, ought to lessen the flow of pot from
Canada to the U.S., not increase it – making the Bush
administration’s
concerns even more off the mark.
The proposed law will double the penalties – from seven to fourteen
years – for large-scale growers: those with fifty plants or more, who
presumably cultivate much of the pot that is shipped south. At the
same time, it leaves untouched the current draconian penalties for
trafficking or exporting drugs – offenses that still allow life
imprisonment.
In sharp counterpoint to the U.S., Canada simply lacks any strong
voice in favor of strict enforcement of criminal penalties for
marijuana use. Last September, Canada’s Senate Special Committee on
Illegal Drugs issued an exhaustive 600-page-plus report that examined
every aspect of the country’s marijuana laws and concluded that
legalization was the necessary reform.
Instead, some lawmakers even seem to find the whole subject amusing,
treating it with a casual offhandedness unthinkable for their U.S.
counterparts. When asked by reporters whether he had ever smoked
marijuana, Minister of Justice Martin Cauchon said, “I’m thirty-nine
years old…. Yes, of course I tried it before, obviously.” And when
the bill got delayed at one point, Canada’s Prime Minister Jean
Chretien told reporters, “It’s coming, it’s coming. Relax. You don’t
have to smoke it to relax.”
Even Dan McTeague, one of the bill’s leading, and most thoughtful,
opponents, was careful to say, “I don’t believe you throw people in
jail because they smoked marijuana. That’s absurd.” Instead, McTeague
says he will oppose the bill because he’s concerned about the health
consequences for marijuana users and the public-safety risks of
widespread pot use.
Ironically, it’s the pot activists who seem most upset about the
upcoming changes in the law, seeing them as a rear-guard attempt to
recriminalize pot possession after it had already been decriminalized
in practice (though not in law). All across the country, smokers and
growers have been ignoring pot laws during the past few years,
banking
on the fact that even if they got arrested, nothing would happen. Pot
is openly smoked in coffee shops in Vancouver and even in smaller,
provincial cities such as Saint John, New Brunswick.
“It’s all cosmetic,” says Marc-Boris St.-Maurice, the leader of the
federal Marijuana Party, who has been arrested several times on pot
charges. “The day the government realizes there’s money to be made
writing tickets for potheads, we’re going to increase the amount of
potheads being targeted.”
At Crosstown Traffic, an Ottawa head shop, many of the clients said
they, too, were worried about the ticketing scheme. One customer,
Oliver Greer, a smart, confident, and at times very funny
nineteen-year-old, is particularly concerned about how much the new
law sill cost him. Greer says he smokes between fifteen and twenty
joints a day.
“If you get caught smoking a joint by a cop, he’s just going to take
it and throw it away,” Greer says. But when the ticketing system
kicks
in, he predicts, “For people who smoke lots and lots of weed, the
fucking tickets are going to add up, you know what I mean?”
Pot has reached so deeply into Canadian daily life that Canada could
very well become the most stoned country on earth. According to Alain
Berthiaume, even small towns – some with as few as 15,000 people –
have grow shops.
In Saint John, a small costal city ninety minutes from the Maine
border, Jim Wood recently added a pot-friendly coffee bar to Hemp
N.B., the head shop that he and his wife, Lynn, own. But later this
month, the couple says they will become the very first to take the
final, most controversial step for Canada’s marijuana movement: They
will begin openly selling pot to the public over the counter. Even
Berthiaume – despite his many marijuana ventures – never actually
deals, but the Woods intend to do some, and to do it
unabashedly.
“What we want,” says Jim Wood, “is Americans coming up here, spending
their U.S. dollars on our pot.”
Wood believes he has the right to sell pot thanks to a loophole in
Canada’s medical-marijuana laws: The cafe at Hemp N.B. will sell pot
to anyone who presents a photocopy of any doctor’s diagnosis. While
Hemp N.B. will check to ensure the diagnosis comes from a legitimate
doctor, a customer’s doctor’s note can say anything. It need not
prescribe marijuana, Wood stresses. It doesn’t even need to be
evidence of an illness that’s normally thought to be treatable with
marijuana. “Dandruff would work,” says Wood. “If you felt that eating
or smoking pot – or maybe even rubbing it in your hair – would help,
you’re more than free to do so, as far as I’m concerned.”
Wood says that he and his wife designed the coffee shop at Hemp N.B.
to resemble a well-worn 1970s living room, with an overabundance of
houseplants, checkers and cribbage sets, and comfortable seats.
Adults
over nineteen, he says, may never smoke their own pot as long as they
buy a cup of coffee. Tobacco smokers, thought, must take their
cigarettes outside. In May, a few weeks after the cafe opened, police
officers hauled off five pot smokers. But when they appeared in
court,
an officer told them to go home. Charges still haven’t been filed,
presumably because of the current flux in the law. (In Nova Scotia
and
Prince Edward Island, to other eastern Canadian provinces, the courts
have suspended all marijuana prosecutions.)
Now, business is booming. Wood says he’s getting about seventy-five
customers a day; and, increasingly, Americans making port calls on
North Atlantic cruse ships are stopping by – just as he’d hoped.
Wood seems to be anticipating a future free of marijuana laws, or at
least of their enforcement – and so, in his own way, is Berthiaume.
Ten years from now, Berthiaume says, he’s “positive, positive,
positive” that there won’t be trials like his anymore in Canada.
For now, though, he is awaiting sentencing. Based on the judge’s
reactions from the bench, Berthiaume expects to receive six months to
a year in prison, or maybe house arrest. But he vows that the legal
hassles won’t cause him to cancel his Cannabis Cup for the second
straight year. “We’re going to do it again, man,” he assured me. “We
cannot let that go, man.”
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] early ibogaine list messages
Date: August 24, 2003 at 12:19:54 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
1998 – 2000 calyx ibogaine lists posts are available from yahoo groups.
These posts were in the heyday of the ibogaine lists and contain much data
that will most likely not be submitted to the list again.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibogaine/
Howard
From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 23, 2003 at 10:44:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Question to the original poster,
not the one who hadn’t heard of this: are you still
sick and needing opiates? If you aren’t I was just
wondering why you’d take more ibogaine.
There is FAR MORE to ibogaine than just turning off a
physical addiction so someone is not “sick and needing
opiates”. It removes or reduces cravings, it UNPLUGS
years and years of wiring, brightens life, gives
stamina, clarity, insight and above all PEACE! There
were many years I was sober, in the “program” or
whatever and not happy no matter how much I struggled
to “get it”. Even after my first ibo treatment I was
still on this “if I do enough work I will work through
all this stuff”… So, I did all this work and all
this other stuff and again and again, having problems
so I simply re-dosed. Nothing other than ibogaine
cleared the demons flying around in my head, nothing
brought me that kind of peace and understanding. I
have had all kinds of drugs (medications), treatments,
therapy, self-help, spiritualism… and nothing broke
through the ice (think 12 foot thick artic ice) like
ibo. Ibo lets you see, or maybe makes you. WHen
getting detoxed mostly on ibo, you get detoxed, fewer
visions etc. Doing ibo clean is different, there is no
pesky physical addiction to get rid of so the ibo (in
my words) works on the head – like pass 1 it does a
physical addiction and pass 2 (dose 2) repairs the
head – there is overlap.
Again, ibogaine goes in, basically UNPLUGS all the
wiring job we did and allows us to go back (if we
choose) and plug those wires in some different places
– JUST LIKE you lived life and could go back and
change your experiences/the reaction to those
experiences. It UNDOES stuff we programmed ourselves
to do, ibogaine cannot generally take care of all of
that on 1 pass (treatment), especially when it has a
physical addiction, so there is tx 2, 3, 4…
There are also many people who never did drugs and
take ibogaine, ibogaine lets you SEE into yourself.
Some people are absolutely terrified of this, the EGO
does not want power taken from it, it wants to control
you, the demons want their “care and feeding” and
people will come up with all sorts of excuses why not
to do ibogaine (again?) when a simple “I don’t want
to” is all they need.
Ibogaine does things that you have to take ibogaine,
(sometimes more than once) to understand what it is
and what it does. I never would have believed or
understood, there is no way to comprehend the way it
can change someone – and they are still the someone
they always were, maybe you could say ibo let them
come through or be who they are in spite of what they
did and who they were.
“thought of kicking
and tripping at the same time: i can’t think of many
things that could drive me to mental and physical
meltdown…”
Well I suggest you don’t make up thoughts like that,
but addicts love to awfulize…
1, ibogaine is not like “tripping” and 2, you won’t be
kicking, that is the point of taking ibogaine, so you
don’t “kick”. Typically people get various visions,
usually less in an active opiate addict, they are very
much like REM SLEEP DREAMS (though more
lucid/vivid…) and absolutely NOTHING LIKE TRIPPING
ON SAY ACID. To put a number on it, maybe ibogaine is
5-10% as trippy as acid, you see actual THINGS,
events, times, palaces which is nothing like tripping.
If you don’t like a vision, blink and it will
disappear, or open your eyes, turn the lights on…
Almost 100% of visions are closed eye/darkened room
and un-interrupted, a PIN DROP will snap you out of a
vision. So “thought of kicking
and tripping at the same time” is some other form of
treatment, not ibogaine. Yes, you will likely feel
like crap for several days, it is long and arduous (“a
lot”, not horrible), it is disgusting, nausea,
vomiting, photophobia, motion sickness… but
“tripping and kicking” is not a good description.
Brett
I really
want off of methadone, but the thought of kicking
and tripping at the same time: i can’t think of many
things that could drive me to mental and physical
meltdown…but i have hope and an open mind!
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From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 22, 2003 at 8:52:43 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Yeah, it’s hard to tell with fiction what is based on fact and what is simply made up. I knew cells regenerated anyway, so i had no reason to think he was wrong but didn’t know and that’s why i ask all of you. Doing iboga while kicking 263 ml was MUCH MUCH better then it would have been without the iboga. It wasn’t as good as methadone with ‘hallucinations’ (as far as takeing away the monster sickness) but it wasn’t even near to compairable to kicking cold turkey and taking some acid (something i’ve tried unsucessfully). I didn’t really halluciate but had more of a ‘waking dream’, althought i thought the waking dream would be more personal in nature i (lol : ) kept thinking of the daily activities of Puff Daddy or P diddy or whatever he’s calling himself these days and Pop singers, it made very little sense. But the way i percieve things is much different then pre-iboga. I am much more aware of the reality of the situation now and much more willing to face it. My perspective on the world has been enhanced. My spritual beleifs can be best described as Buddhist and Rasta (but i subscribe to nothing 100%) and one of the basic teachings is (1. all life is suffering 2. the cause of suffering is dukka (loosly translated as ‘desire’ 3. and the way to graduate from suffering is compassion), that was in my heart and mind pre-iboga, it is in my heart, mind and ACTIONS post-iboga.
As far as the second dose goes, yes i think it would be a huge opportunity lost if i didn’t do it. I’m about 90% through it (last dose of methadone was on 7/11/03. From what i have read it increases ones chances significantly, but i’m not like craving iboga or whatever. That’s the miricle, i’ve never heard of any non-opioid taking away opioid sickness like iboga(ine). I just wish new scientists would study it without trying to make and patient their own version of ibogaine, it’s like if they can’t make a buck off it they don’t to get too contraversial.
I have been calling the FDA, my congressman, the NIH (national institute on health) as well as making sure that all 5 methadone clinics i attended in the area put that i cured with iboga in my medical records. Prior to me, not one dr., nurse, or staff employee at any of the 5 clinics had even heard of iboga(ine). “They say jump and you say how high” i guess, their just trying to get by like the rest of us. I don’t think junk could possibly be healthy unless a clinical CONSISTENT SUPPLY was available like methadone and even then who knows. I’m amazed they don’t publicly distribute opiate antagonists to cut the number of street junk overdoses, but that would be incouragine heroin use to them i guess. I have to be careful though because part of me wants to take every single one of the Rockefeller methadone clinics customers away with iboga, but i’d probably end up overdosing someone and doing more harm for the iboga movement then good, regardless of how good my intentions were. But their is a real need for this miricle. I hear the FDA or NIH is still funding research into Methadone (the most studied anti-addiction ‘medison’ in history) while not funding iboga studies, at least they approved the studies after what 30 years now? They raid military style the sick and elderly who have been prescribed marijuana but have no problem with Methadone clinics? And if you get accused of a crime and are on methadone, in most cases they will not give you your prescribed medication. If that’s not control beyond Hitlers wildest dreams i don’t know what is.
—–Original Message—–
From: Tbgelfling@aol.com [mailto:Tbgelfling@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003, 5:25 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
haven’t you read william burroughs? his theory was something like this: doing
opiates, being a junky, was actually kind of good for you, and if it could be
done in a situation where there was no contamination or chance of getting
something too strong, it wouldn’t hurt you as long as you didn’t run out. the
point is that burroughs thought of kicking as a type of constant rebirth where
the “junk dependant cells” (he calls them that exactly) are replaced by new
ones. he thinks that this is why he lived to be as old as he did, in part. I
have no idea if there is ANY true science behind it–it may be as hokey as
Kieth Richards getting his blood changed like the fluids in a car–but that is
definately, without a doubt, where the idea of junk dependanrt cells and their
replacement during kicking comes from. Question to the original poster, not
the one who hadn’t heard of this: are you still sick and needing opiates? If
you aren’t I was just wondering why you’d take more ibogaine. I really want
off of methadone, but the thought of kicking and tripping at the same time: i
can’t think of many things that could drive me to mental and physical
meltdown…but i have hope and an open mind!
From: Tbgelfling@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 22, 2003 at 8:19:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
haven’t you read william burroughs? his theory was something like this: doing opiates, being a junky, was actually kind of good for you, and if it could be done in a situation where there was no contamination or chance of getting something too strong, it wouldn’t hurt you as long as you didn’t run out. the point is that burroughs thought of kicking as a type of constant rebirth where the “junk dependant cells” (he calls them that exactly) are replaced by new ones. he thinks that this is why he lived to be as old as he did, in part. I have no idea if there is ANY true science behind it–it may be as hokey as Kieth Richards getting his blood changed like the fluids in a car–but that is definately, without a doubt, where the idea of junk dependanrt cells and their replacement during kicking comes from. Question to the original poster, not the one who hadn’t heard of this: are you still sick and needing opiates? If you aren’t I was just wondering why you’d take more ibogaine. I really want off of methadone, but the thought of kicking and tripping at the same time: i can’t think of many things that could drive me to mental and physical meltdown…but i have hope and an open mind!
From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] LA Weekly
Date: August 22, 2003 at 11:03:29 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Daniel Pinchbeck has a piece about ibogaine in this weeks LA Weekly:
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/40/features-pinchbeck.php
snip-
Turn On, Meet God, Get Straight
An African root bark may offer clues to addiction if only it were legal to study
by Daniel Pinchbeck
(Illustrations by Daniel Peacock)
In 1962, a young junkie named Howard Lotsoff ordered iboga, a plant used in West African rituals, and tried it for extra kicks. After consuming the bitter root-bark powder, he experienced a visionary tour of his early memories. Thirty hours later, when the effects had subsided, he found that he had lost all craving for heroin, without withdrawal symptoms of any kind. He then gave it to seven other addicts, who were using either cocaine or heroin; five stopped taking drugs immediately afterward…..
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/40/features-pinchbeck.php
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 20, 2003 at 9:01:41 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Jason,
— deartheo@ziplip.com wrote:
My understanding is that when kicking opioids, the
junk dependent cells have to die and be replaced by
non-junk dependent cells. But what about the brain?
I am pretty sure brain cells don’t regenderate so
how does it get out of the brain?
I would love to answer your question but since there
is no answer (or many) to what causes
addiction/withdrawal or how ibogaine works, we will
skip that part. One comment though is that ibogaine
has been shown to moderate gene expression in genes of
addiction which have been exposed (hope I got that
close to right) to addictive substances. Which kind of
means it is likely ibogaine goes in your DNA and
un-does some of the programming, among very many other
things.
Also, during my first iboga dose, i hallucinated
hardly at all (i assume the iboga had it’s hands
full fighting off the sickness), but now that i’m
90% through the sickness, should i assume/prepair
for a more intense experience on the 2nd dose? I’m
Um, exactly what you would do to “prepair” for a more
intense experience? If you want to make yourself nuts
over it go ahead but I doubt it will change anything.
You may (or may not) have more visions, don’t know
that I would say more or less “intense”. Anyway, just
relax into it and you will be fine, if you decide to
panic, you will be fine once you are done panicing and
relax <g>. I wouldn’t worry about it, but if you like
to enjoy. Deep yogic breaths help a great deal for
anxiety, they pass but you are going to do Indra (I
believe) that is pretty soft stuff.
I would not call ibogaine a hallucinogen and do not
“hallucinate” on ibo though some people do. What ibo
does is more like a REM sleep dream (by EEG patterns)
than a hallucination.
Anyway I don’t know what you did the first time. I
know what I would do for any trip. Fast, have a quiet
peaceful slow day, rest, eat fruit only, take a nice
hot bath (hell go to a SPA for a few hours, get a nice
rub-down…), I always take phenylalanine, light some
incense, put on some meditation music and begin. I lie
down, do the test dose(s) without getting up and
moving around much and then the main dose. Somewhere
in there the music goes away, the incense is long off,
I usually go in a darkened quiet room and have at it.
Every trip is different, some of my smaller doses were
some of my most intense, that is ibogaine.
Brett
not a big fan of panic trips and had no problem not
panicing during the first dose, do you think i need
to prepair myself for a different experience on the
2nd dose as oppossed to the first?
I am very greatful lists like this exist. I hope
everyone is doing well and staying strong.
One and all have to face reality now,
jason
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 20, 2003 at 8:21:18 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
This is a reply to Jason. You wrote that it was good to hear of someone getting off Methadone with Ibogaine but sorry to say it was not cos or with ibogaine. I just kept dropping my dose a bit every week and it worked OK right up to the last few mls and that was the hardest. I don’t even know if we can get ibogaine here in NZ. Not many people seem to know too much about it which is why I read this list and try to learn more. I said I was really tired but that is probably a result of my body struggling to adjust after so long. Am not sure about what you were saying about junk cells. I always thought most of the body can recover and make new cells as long as the damage is not too severe. Is it not a case of making yourself use what you have to keep it in working order so to speak. I was also told that your veins could repair themselves if left alone and given time. Anyone else know if that is true.???
Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Wednesday, 20 August 2003 2:20:02 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Bro, I am glad you’re here. Please keep going, don’t give up and let
us know what’s happening with you. If you ever need to talk off list
or anything let me know. There are many here who have helped me many
times.
The junk dependent cells? I don’t know what you’re talking about exactly.
I think you’re reading Burroughs not ibogaine science 😉
If it’s any help, you’re going to feel like shit for a few months. Or
maybe not. I did, but I didn’t kick with ibogaine, I kicked by smoking
cannabis and doing shrooms and getting away from the treatment pimps,
rehab and everything else and being in the mountains and nature in northern
California and getting my head together.
If you do ibogaine one more time I do not think you will stay sick bro.
I’m sure others here have much more to say then I do. I didn’t kick with
ibo, I did ibo after I was already clean for nearly two years.
Peace out,
Curtis
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:31:06 -0700 deartheo@ziplip.com wrote:
>My understanding is that when kicking opioids, the junk dependent
>cells have to die and be replaced by non-junk dependent cells. But
>what about the brain? I am pretty sure brain cells don’t regenderate
>so how does it get out of the brain?
>
>Also, during my first iboga dose, i hallucinated hardly at all (i
>assume the iboga had it’s hands full fighting off the sickness),
>but now that i’m 90% through the sickness, should i assume/prepair
>for a more intense experience on the 2nd dose? I’m not a big fan
>of panic trips and had no problem not panicing during the first dose,
> do you think i need to prepair myself for a different experience
>on the 2nd dose as oppossed to the first?
>
>I am very greatful lists like this exist. I hope everyone is doing
>well and staying strong.
>
>One and all have to face reality now,
>jason
>
>
>
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From: Eaquinet@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] methadone patient self-help
Date: August 20, 2003 at 8:17:29 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Howard,
How in the world are jails, etc. continuing to get away w/this after the cases of people who have died in jail after being “cold turkeyed” >from methadone just because of a simple arrest–even for traffic arrests such as what recently happened in Orlando, FL??????? I know that it still goes on where I live, but it’s insane!!!!! It’s even insane from a practical perspective to the cities, states, etc. which do this as they risk having these kinds of horrible events happen and then paying for them when lawsuits are filed later. What can we do in our local communities to try and change this???? eliana
From: “Rick Venglarcik” <RickV@hnncsb.org>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm
Date: August 20, 2003 at 7:02:02 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
So the question is, just where was Lord Digital when this poor bastard put a bullet thru his head?
Patrick Kroupa…hit man for the government of Slovenia. 🙂
Maybe we can all get a few moonlighting positions. Travel, intrigue, and a little blood-letting on the side.
vector620022002@yahoo.com 08/19/03 07:14PM >>>
I read this story on the register today.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/32292.html
Then when doing my usual every two or three month search for things
ibogaine and mindvox related. I got this.
http://www.kiblix.org/program-eng.php
Kiblix 2003 November 13, 14, 15. Maribor Slovenia
Lecturer: Patrick K. Kroupa (USA)
Subject: Encryption Tools and Strategies on *nix-based Systems
Unless there is another Patrick K. Kroupa, then there is a lot of
interesting material which nobody ever mentions on the lists 😉 You
aren’t listed as a speaker at any hacker conference since 1992 when you
did Computers Freedom Privacy I, Hackercon and Summercon all in the
same year. 10 years later the first instance I can find of you online
giving a talk at a conference that is not drug related is talking about
cryptographic filesystems at a unix conference in Slovenia. Hmmmm.
And this, is even weirder. The government of Slovenia is welcoming you
to their country? Do they know who you are? 😉
http://mid.gov.si/mid/mid.nsf/f1?OpenFrameSet&Frame=main&Src=/mid/mid.nsf/0/6E82C550D575851DC1256D78002DD59C?OpenDocument
I don’t know what any of this means but it’s very weird. So I put it on
the weirdest list I’ve ever read. Enjoy! 🙂
You’re going to Slovenia to talk about encryption at a Linux festival
when you have said how much you hate Linux and love BSD maybe 100000
times. Hmmmm.
.:vector:.
Slovenian hacker found shot dead
By John Leyden
Posted: 12/08/2003 at 12:21 GMT
A Slovenian hacker who ran into legal conflict with one of the
country’s leading banks over an alleged security weakness was found
dead last week.
Police believe Robert Skulj, 28, killed himself with a shot to the head
from a gun found at the scene. Skulj’s body was found in his locked
apartment in the city of Trzic last Friday.
Last year, Skulj claimed he had found a serious security hole in an
electronic business system called Klik used by Nova Ljubljanska Banka
(NLB), a bank in Slovenia.
According to local reports, he entered into negotiation with NLB to
sell a Trojan horse that exploited the flaw he had discovered – along
with a security fix – to the bank for 500,000 ($568,050).
NLB treated the approach as blackmail and brought charges against him
last October. Slovenian police arrested Skulj and confiscated the
technology he was offering to sell to the bank.
Skulj was subsequently acquitted of any fraud by the Slovenian courts.
He then sued the bank and the state of Slovenia for 200 million
Slovenian Tolar (850,000) for wrongful prosecution and the
confiscation of his Trojan code.
But before the case could be heard, Skulj apparently took his own life.
His exact motives remain unclear but it is believed he was unable to
cope with the stress of the court case brought against him and his own
the follow-up action.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] (OT) Tribute
Date: August 20, 2003 at 12:47:42 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi all,
‘Cause I’m a bit -, I figured I’d pass on Tribute (to the Best Song in
the World), by Tenacious D (half of which is Jack Black, who played a High
Times Investigative Reporter last year in a Saturday Night Live episode, one
of the funnier ones I’ve seen in years and years, in which he gets a secret
discussion on tape then records over it when trying to play it for his
coworkers in the HT office- something I have to admit I’ve done, not quite
the same way, but in similar fashion with my recorded interviews, more than
once.;-))
Anyway, there’s the Drugwar tie in. You can download and listen to
Tribute for free at the long URL below.
See how many classic rock stoner tunes you can pick out of this.
Peace,
Preston
http://www.mp3raid.com/search/dload/Tenacious%20D%20%20%20-%20%20%20Tribute/
http:,,,,www.phatsqui22812281el.com,,Musicfo2281website,,Tenacious%20D%20-%2
0T2281ibute.mp3/
From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 19, 2003 at 10:43:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
🙂
I found this on erowid. I never knew where gamma’s
purple ascension art in mindvox came from. Now I do!
Patrick and you inspired it. So all of you see the
purple! Why not me? Maybe I will someday 🙂
http://www.erowid.org/culture/art/artists_h/art_hunter_dave.shtml
Thanks again to all three of you 🙂
And everyone on this list too.
gamma congratulations on your soon to be baby!
Carla B
— HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
Also, during my first iboga dose, i hallucinated
hardly at all (i assume
the iboga had it’s hands full fighting off the
sickness), but now that
i’m 90% through the sickness, should i
assume/prepair for a more intense
experience on the 2nd dose? I’m not a big fan of
panic trips and had no
problem not panicking during the first dose, do you
think i need to prepare
myself for a different experience on the 2nd dose
as opposed to the first?
Some people are heavy on visualizing and some
aren’t. Some experiences are
and some aren’t for the same individual. Prepare
yourself as well as you can
whatever that may mean but, leave your expectations
at the door or at least the
first door.
I am very grateful lists like this exist. I hope
everyone is doing well
and staying strong.
One and all have to face reality now,
That is why Patrick must be going to
Slovenia….just teasing. And thanks
for the good wishes.
Howard
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 19, 2003 at 10:40:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi, I did ibogaine to get unsprung. I wasn’t sick at
all afterwards. I was on 100mg of methadone when I did
it and some heroin. I think more ibogaine so youre not
sprung at all and you should be ok.
I don’t know what junk dependent cells means?
Carla B
— deartheo@ziplip.com wrote:
My understanding is that when kicking opioids, the
junk dependent cells have to die and be replaced by
non-junk dependent cells. But what about the brain?
I am pretty sure brain cells don’t regenderate so
how does it get out of the brain?
Also, during my first iboga dose, i hallucinated
hardly at all (i assume the iboga had it’s hands
full fighting off the sickness), but now that i’m
90% through the sickness, should i assume/prepair
for a more intense experience on the 2nd dose? I’m
not a big fan of panic trips and had no problem not
panicing during the first dose, do you think i need
to prepair myself for a different experience on the
2nd dose as oppossed to the first?
I am very greatful lists like this exist. I hope
everyone is doing well and staying strong.
One and all have to face reality now,
jason
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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 19, 2003 at 10:19:18 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Bro, I am glad you’re here. Please keep going, don’t give up and let
us know what’s happening with you. If you ever need to talk off list
or anything let me know. There are many here who have helped me many
times.
The junk dependent cells? I don’t know what you’re talking about exactly.
I think you’re reading Burroughs not ibogaine science 😉
If it’s any help, you’re going to feel like shit for a few months. Or
maybe not. I did, but I didn’t kick with ibogaine, I kicked by smoking
cannabis and doing shrooms and getting away from the treatment pimps,
rehab and everything else and being in the mountains and nature in northern
California and getting my head together.
If you do ibogaine one more time I do not think you will stay sick bro.
I’m sure others here have much more to say then I do. I didn’t kick with
ibo, I did ibo after I was already clean for nearly two years.
Peace out,
Curtis
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:31:06 -0700 deartheo@ziplip.com wrote:
My understanding is that when kicking opioids, the junk dependent
cells have to die and be replaced by non-junk dependent cells. But
what about the brain? I am pretty sure brain cells don’t regenderate
so how does it get out of the brain?
Also, during my first iboga dose, i hallucinated hardly at all (i
assume the iboga had it’s hands full fighting off the sickness),
but now that i’m 90% through the sickness, should i assume/prepair
for a more intense experience on the 2nd dose? I’m not a big fan
of panic trips and had no problem not panicing during the first dose,
do you think i need to prepair myself for a different experience
on the 2nd dose as oppossed to the first?
I am very greatful lists like this exist. I hope everyone is doing
well and staying strong.
One and all have to face reality now,
jason
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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm
Date: August 19, 2003 at 10:15:31 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I’m sure they know how to use a search engine 😉
I think if you’re Lord Digital from the Legion of Doom, have a Phrack
profile and started one of the first give internet access companies in
the world. You’re golden to speak at any IT security conference you want
to talk at.
If you were how do I say it nicely 😉 a functional human being willing
to wear a suit and wake up in the morning and you don’t have felony convictions
so you can get bonded for security work. You’re golden to get a real
job at any fortune 500 company you want making 6 figures to start. Dot
com went away but security is more alive then ever 🙂
If you were a functional human being 😉
I agree 100% that writing your book the parts of which I have seen are
awesome bro and doing all the drug stuff is much more important. Course
I have left dot com to get a Ph.D. in transpersonal psychology 😉
No that’s not true. It is more like dot com left me 🙁 I did graphic
design. Not a rare skill.
Why someone would choose to speak at a Linux IT security conference in
Slovenia. Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, I’m almost thinking
it might have a lot more to do with that church of ibogaine patrick is
high priest in and that side business it has distributing probably 2/3
rd’s of the ibogaine hcl in the world. More of a tour of the lab and
marketing and expansion business meeting 😉 Marko is in Slovenia too.
I’m sure this is just coincidence 🙂 🙂 🙂
Right on bro, right on 🙂
After you knock over the bank on your way out of the country, don’t forget
to send email from your new home in Buenos Aires 🙂
Peace out and encrypt 🙂
Curtis
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:14:27 -0700 Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I read this story on the register today.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/32292.html
Then when doing my usual every two or three month search for things
ibogaine and mindvox related. I got this.
http://www.kiblix.org/program-eng.php
Kiblix 2003 November 13, 14, 15. Maribor Slovenia
Lecturer: Patrick K. Kroupa (USA)
Subject: Encryption Tools and Strategies on *nix-based Systems
Unless there is another Patrick K. Kroupa, then there is a lot of
interesting material which nobody ever mentions on the lists 😉
You
aren’t listed as a speaker at any hacker conference since 1992 when
you
did Computers Freedom Privacy I, Hackercon and Summercon all in
the
same year. 10 years later the first instance I can find of you online
giving a talk at a conference that is not drug related is talking
about
cryptographic filesystems at a unix conference in Slovenia. Hmmmm.
And this, is even weirder. The government of Slovenia is welcoming
you
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 19, 2003 at 10:12:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In a message dated 8/19/03 11:35:04 PM, deartheo@ziplip.com writes:
My understanding is that when kicking opioids, the junk dependent cells
have to die and be replaced by non-junk dependent cells. But what about
the brain? I am pretty sure brain cells don’t regenerate so how does
it get out of the brain?
I have never heard the theory that junk dependent cells have to die. Where
did you find that?
Also, during my first iboga dose, i hallucinated hardly at all (i assume
the iboga had it’s hands full fighting off the sickness), but now that
i’m 90% through the sickness, should i assume/prepair for a more intense
experience on the 2nd dose? I’m not a big fan of panic trips and had no
problem not panicking during the first dose, do you think i need to prepare
myself for a different experience on the 2nd dose as opposed to the first?
Some people are heavy on visualizing and some aren’t. Some experiences are
and some aren’t for the same individual. Prepare yourself as well as you can
whatever that may mean but, leave your expectations at the door or at least the
first door.
I am very grateful lists like this exist. I hope everyone is doing well
and staying strong.
One and all have to face reality now,
That is why Patrick must be going to Slovenia….just teasing. And thanks
for the good wishes.
Howard
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm
Date: August 19, 2003 at 9:53:49 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I am anticipating you will be taken captive by the slovenian ibogaine
underground.
Considering how much they like you I doubt they will let you go.
Good luck.
Howard
In a message dated 8/19/03 11:25:59 PM, vector620022002@yahoo.com writes:
Kiblix 2003 November 13, 14, 15. Maribor Slovenia
Lecturer: Patrick K. Kroupa (USA)
Subject: Encryption Tools and Strategies on *nix-based Systems
Unless there is another Patrick K. Kroupa, then there is a lot of
interesting material which nobody ever mentions on the lists 😉 You
aren’t listed as a speaker at any hacker conference since 1992 when you
did Computers Freedom Privacy I, Hackercon and Summercon all in the
same year. 10 years later the first instance I can find of you online
giving a talk at a conference that is not drug related is talking about
cryptographic filesystems at a unix conference in Slovenia. Hmmmm.
And this, is even weirder. The government of Slovenia is welcoming you
to their country? Do they know who you are? 😉
http://mi
d.gov.si/mid/mid.nsf/f1?OpenFrameSet&Frame=main&Src=/mid/mid.nsf/0/6E82C550D575851DC1256D78002DD59C?OpenDocument
I don’t know what any of this means but it’s very weird. So I put it on
the weirdest list I’ve ever read. Enjoy! 🙂
You’re going to Slovenia to talk about encryption at a Linux festival
when you have said how much you hate Linux and love BSD maybe 100000
times. Hmmmm.
From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: [ibogaine] junk dependent cells
Date: August 19, 2003 at 7:31:06 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
My understanding is that when kicking opioids, the junk dependent cells have to die and be replaced by non-junk dependent cells. But what about the brain? I am pretty sure brain cells don’t regenderate so how does it get out of the brain?
Also, during my first iboga dose, i hallucinated hardly at all (i assume the iboga had it’s hands full fighting off the sickness), but now that i’m 90% through the sickness, should i assume/prepair for a more intense experience on the 2nd dose? I’m not a big fan of panic trips and had no problem not panicing during the first dose, do you think i need to prepair myself for a different experience on the 2nd dose as oppossed to the first?
I am very greatful lists like this exist. I hope everyone is doing well and staying strong.
One and all have to face reality now,
jason
From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm
Date: August 19, 2003 at 7:14:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I read this story on the register today.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/32292.html
Then when doing my usual every two or three month search for things
ibogaine and mindvox related. I got this.
http://www.kiblix.org/program-eng.php
Kiblix 2003 November 13, 14, 15. Maribor Slovenia
Lecturer: Patrick K. Kroupa (USA)
Subject: Encryption Tools and Strategies on *nix-based Systems
Unless there is another Patrick K. Kroupa, then there is a lot of
interesting material which nobody ever mentions on the lists 😉 You
aren’t listed as a speaker at any hacker conference since 1992 when you
did Computers Freedom Privacy I, Hackercon and Summercon all in the
same year. 10 years later the first instance I can find of you online
giving a talk at a conference that is not drug related is talking about
cryptographic filesystems at a unix conference in Slovenia. Hmmmm.
And this, is even weirder. The government of Slovenia is welcoming you
to their country? Do they know who you are? 😉
http://mid.gov.si/mid/mid.nsf/f1?OpenFrameSet&Frame=main&Src=/mid/mid.nsf/0/6E82C550D575851DC1256D78002DD59C?OpenDocument
I don’t know what any of this means but it’s very weird. So I put it on
the weirdest list I’ve ever read. Enjoy! 🙂
You’re going to Slovenia to talk about encryption at a Linux festival
when you have said how much you hate Linux and love BSD maybe 100000
times. Hmmmm.
.:vector:.
Slovenian hacker found shot dead
By John Leyden
Posted: 12/08/2003 at 12:21 GMT
A Slovenian hacker who ran into legal conflict with one of the
country’s leading banks over an alleged security weakness was found
dead last week.
Police believe Robert Skulj, 28, killed himself with a shot to the head
from a gun found at the scene. Skulj’s body was found in his locked
apartment in the city of Trzic last Friday.
Last year, Skulj claimed he had found a serious security hole in an
electronic business system called Klik used by Nova Ljubljanska Banka
(NLB), a bank in Slovenia.
According to local reports, he entered into negotiation with NLB to
sell a Trojan horse that exploited the flaw he had discovered – along
with a security fix – to the bank for 500,000 ($568,050).
NLB treated the approach as blackmail and brought charges against him
last October. Slovenian police arrested Skulj and confiscated the
technology he was offering to sell to the bank.
Skulj was subsequently acquitted of any fraud by the Slovenian courts.
He then sued the bank and the state of Slovenia for 200 million
Slovenian Tolar (850,000) for wrongful prosecution and the
confiscation of his Trojan code.
But before the case could be heard, Skulj apparently took his own life.
His exact motives remain unclear but it is believed he was unable to
cope with the stress of the court case brought against him and his own
the follow-up action.
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Drug Lord 2.2
Date: August 19, 2003 at 7:16:53 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
The graphic artist for Mindvox has I think 3 or 4 games of this type
running. The newest is
http://www.wackycrackheads.com/crackland/
His ibogaine cartoon hits first on a google search for ibogaine too.
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ibogaine&sa=N&tab=wi
I’m sure it’s not that far away 😉
.:vector:.
— Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am also looking for Drug Addict and Iboga Trip
software so everyone can be an expert, write articles
and treat people… Games are so much better for
learning than books, don’t you think?
Brett
http://www.geekhideout.com/druglord2.shtml
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] new blaster worm
Date: August 19, 2003 at 7:21:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To everyone on this list who doesn’t understand anything about
computers and doesn’t pay attention to any world events that don’t deal
with drugs. The Blaster worm has been modified and is spreading very
fast right now. In the last 24 hours I have over 100 pieces of the same
attachment it has infected from email addresses from all over the
world.
I know a few of the senders, but have never heard of most of them. It
means their computers are infected and sending it out.
It’s spreading very fast. If you don’t have the latest patches do not
click any attachments at all. Especially those that are in the 100K
size range. The worm patches the microsoft patch, replaces itself and
starts duplicating.
Be careful.
This as usual only applies if you are using microsoft. Linux 😉 BSD,
Unix (SCO will sue me for typing that) and Macs are of course not
effected.
.:vector:.
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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Drug Lord 2.2
Date: August 19, 2003 at 12:45:40 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
On [Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:49:15PM -0400], [HSLotsof@aol.com] wrote:
| How about if only you could run this on a mac?
It’s COMING!!!@#!@#!!!
In the interim you could always drop 2-5mg of LSD and play with life, or
this: http://www.io2technology.com/index.htm (tanX 2 markO).
| Or, maybe it just runs on your brain. it is a program called life that
| begins at one of your births and never ends. Heroin and ibogaine are just
| scenarios. Sub routines of sub routines.
Yeah, that’s it EXACTLY!
S’cuse me, dreaming this dream within my dream has made me realize I
require another gallon of coffee.
patricK
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] recent publication Ibogaine attenuation of morphine withdrawal in mice
Date: August 19, 2003 at 12:49:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry. 2003 Aug;27(5):781-5.
Ibogaine attenuation of morphine withdrawal in mice: role of glutamate
N-methyl-D-aspartate receptors.
Leal MB, Michelin K, Souza DO, Elisabetsky E.
Faculdade de Farmacia, Pontifi;cia Universidade Catolica do Rio Grande do
Sul, Rua da Republica 580/306, Cep: 90050-320, RS, Porto Alegre, Brazil
Ibogaine (IBO) is an alkaloid with putative antiaddictive properties,
alleviating opiates dependence and withdrawal. The glutamate N-methyl-D-aspartate
(NMDA) receptors have been implicated in the physiological basis of drug
addiction; accordingly, IBO acts as a noncompetitive NMDA antagonist. The purpose of
this study was to evaluate the effects of IBO on naloxone-induced withdrawal
syndrome in morphine-dependent mice, focusing on the role of NMDA receptors.
Jumping, a major behavioral expression of such withdrawal, was significantly
(P<.01) inhibited by IBO (40 and 80 mg/kg, 64.2% and 96.9% inhibition,
respectively) and MK-801 (0.15 and 0.30 mg/kg, 67.3% and 97.7%, respectively) given prior
to naloxone. Coadministration of the lower doses of IBO (40 mg/kg) and MK-801
(0.15 mg/kg) results in 94.7% inhibition of jumping, comparable to the
effects of higher doses of either IBO or MK-801. IBO and MK-801 also significantly
inhibited NMDA-induced (99.0% and 71.0%, respectively) jumping when given 30
min (but not 24 h) prior to NMDA in nonaddictive mice. There were no significant
differences in [3H]MK-801 binding to cortical membranes from naive animals,
morphine-dependent animals, or morphine-dependent animals treated with IBO or
MK-801. This study provides further evidence that IBO does have an inhibitory
effect on opiate withdrawal symptoms and suggests that the complex process
resulting in morphine withdrawal includes an IBO-sensitive functional and
transitory alteration of NMDA receptor.
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Drug Lord 2.2
Date: August 19, 2003 at 12:49:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
How about if only you could run this on a mac?
Or, maybe it just runs on your brain. it is a program called life that
begins at one of your births and never ends. Heroin and ibogaine are just
scenarios. Sub routines of sub routines.
Howard
In a message dated 8/19/03 5:51:46 AM, gammalyte9000@yahoo.com writes:
<<
http://www.geekhideout.com/druglord2.shtml
too bad its not all 3d and animated and shit like UnReal…
now that would be a good 1st person puzzle game, find your way out of an
ibogaine experience… of course the rendering would have to be liquid
real-time, you would need gloves with sensors for movement and 3d goggle
monitors. Hell, screw it, a 100GHZ direct optical uplink to your brain! and a
completely random menu ordering with thousands of scenarios that randomize
again according to your choices or actions. now would that be interesting…
actually, what I really want (attention Lord Didge) is a Holodeck. for my
birthday. thats not asking too much, is it? >>
From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Drug Lord 2.2
Date: August 19, 2003 at 1:51:18 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
http://www.geekhideout.com/druglord2.shtml
too bad its not all 3d and animated and shit like UnReal…
now that would be a good 1st person puzzle game, find your way out of an
ibogaine experience… of course the rendering would have to be liquid
real-time, you would need gloves with sensors for movement and 3d goggle
monitors. Hell, screw it, a 100GHZ direct optical uplink to your brain! and a
completely random menu ordering with thousands of scenarios that randomize
again according to your choices or actions. now would that be interesting…
actually, what I really want (attention Lord Didge) is a Holodeck. for my
birthday. thats not asking too much, is it?
~g
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Drug Lord 2.2
Date: August 18, 2003 at 4:04:29 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@ibogaine.org, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I am also looking for Drug Addict and Iboga Trip
software so everyone can be an expert, write articles
and treat people… Games are so much better for
learning than books, don’t you think?
Brett
http://www.geekhideout.com/druglord2.shtml
Drug Lord 2 is a game that continues where Drug Lord 1
left off. Your goal is still to amass as much money as
possible by buying and selling drugs, but your
neighborhood has grown considerably.
You can now visit major world cities via air travel to
buy and sell goods. In some cities drugs are dirt
cheap, and in others they are priced sky high.
Watching the markets is your key to success in buying
low and selling high. All this globe-trotting is not
without its dangers, however, airport security has a
watchful eye open drug dealers, and unless you take
precautions you might find yourself staring at the
flashes from their guns.
Drug Lord 2 also introduces global shipping, where you
can send drugs from one city to another and meet up
with them later, avoiding any airport hassles. In each
city you also have a drug vault where you can store
goods and come back for them later.
Features
Six available ranks. You start off as a wannabe and
with luck and skill can work your way up to Drug Lord.
Many cities, each with their own market.
Loan sharks to lend you money.
A wide array of weaponry to fight off those who come
after you.
Graphical history of drug prices for each city.
Drug vaults for when you don’t want to take them with
you.
Drug price viewer that shows the price of a drug in
every city.
Easy-to-use user interface.
Fun cheesy sounds!
What’s New in 2.2
Numerous minor bug fixes
Please note that in order to post your score to the
high score board, it is necessary to upgrade to Drug
Lord 2.2
screen shot
download (druglord2.exe, 780k)
zipped version (druglord2.zip, 441k)
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] help me please
Date: August 18, 2003 at 5:49:33 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi M. Izgi. Are you still there. Keep in touch with everyone.
For the 1st time in years I can say that I am living clean each day and have even finally cracked the methadone habit every day. I feel good in some ways but very very tired. Probably the hep C is playing up as well while my system is fighting its own battle but I still reckon its worth it. There must be more choices in life than drowning yourself sort of thing. I reckon the biggest battle is the one in your head if you know what I mean, Physical shit can be dealt with but when combined with the brain as well it can be so hard. That probably doesn’t make a hell of a lot of sense but hope you can understand what I mean. Best of luck Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Monday, 18 August 2003 3:01:28 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] help me please
Hi M. Izgi
I wanted to say that I so very much understand how
desperete and awful you feel. I think most of us here
have all been there, a lot of times. Too many times.
Whatever you do don’t give up! In some weird way this
list is the best constant support group that I’ve ever
found. I read every message some of the time, then I
don’t read it for a few months, then I come back. In
some way it’s like the only stable thing in all of
this, that if I ever feel I need to talk or say
something, there are people who understand what I’m
going through, from all over the world and some of
them act like asses some of the time 😉 but they’re
just being real and then turn around and are some of
the kindest, most knowledgable people I’ve ever talked
to.
Please don’t hurt yourself with ibogaine. Read the
manual and ask for advice about dose before you do it.
I’ve done ibogaine on my own and it did finally help
me to get out of addiction. A lot of other things have
helped me besides that, I wish I could say some
support group and I don’t know, I have always had a
awful time at 12 step groups and feel like I’m getting
beat up instead of helped. But it’s important to have
some kind of support and have people to talk to when
you need. This list is also good for that because alot
of people who don’t talk on the list will through
email or over the phone and as many as there are
unfortunately I don’t think there’s nayone else in
Turkey? Is there?
Carla B
— fakeplacebo@hotmail.com wrote:
> Dear Friends In The Group,
> Thank you all for your good company and your
> valuable advices. Sory but I want you to ask for
> last time. All that I want is Ibogain treatment
> possibility. Please tell me; could I use Iboga by
> myself at the my home and how. Please inform me
> about the treatment procedure and how could I buy
> Ibogain without a credit card. (I’m living in
> Turkey) I decided to try Iboagin as my last chance
> to live. Who knows maybe there is a room for me in
> the future as a normal, healty guy. As I said
> before I will try to do best I can. Please inform me
> about self ibogain treatment.
>
> (Sory as you see I’m not good at the english
> language)
>
> Best Regards
> M. Izgi
> _________________________________________
>
>
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
Date: August 18, 2003 at 5:37:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Yip, scary stuff. Has anyone else read Steven Kings series of books about the Black Tower. There were 3 books, “The Gunslinger, The drawing of the three and The waste lands and then a 4th Wizard and Glass. It tells a story of human greed and waste of the world and a future world where people go back to basics cos of obsolete electricity and cars etc. Probably sounds weird unless you have read it but the power outage in the States made me think about it. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Monday, 18 August 2003 4:20:40 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Fw: Re: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
I
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:08:26 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
It was very strange to see all that on the news.
Entire major cities going out. It always reminds me of
that one big message you posted (patrick) about
technology and privacy and how for most people it’s
magic and they don’t understand it.
I admit I don’t. I know how to use the computer mostly
😉 except when it hates me. But I don’t understand
how most technology works at all.
What I wonder about too and don’t understand is seeing
the news, some worm shut down all of microsoft, turned
off the internet in Sweden and broke atm machines. I
also see some of the hacker messages that get thrown
through here every so often and it’s like from another
world. Where everyone types using different characters
instead of the letters 😉
What I wanted to ask is, why do most of them, the
hacker kids who I guess are the ones who have a lot of
skills, act so angry most of the time and spend so
much effort destroying everything?
Why do they want to destroy microsoft, ok I understand
all of you hate miscrosoft, never mind that question
😉 But why do they want to destroy the internet and
millions of computers they don’t even know who is
using them? I don’t understand that. If they ever
manage to destroy the internet or shut it down, then
what is it that they are going to do??? Isn’t it the
internet that makes all of them, you, possible?
Hi gamma! Where have you been hiding?
Carla B
— Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> kerplooey, kerplunk, kerplow.
>
> glad we’re all back, or here, or not, as the case
> were.
>
> Our fine de-regulated ‘lectrisity’ pushers hard at
> work.
>
> ~g
>
> — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
> > Uhm, we’re back online. New York City faw down go
> bo0m, hurt itself, run
> > out of electricity. Stupid, fucking electric
> bill; I meant to say:
> > TERRORISTS.
> >
> > Anywaze, note to self: obtain solar-powered bomb
> shelter with satellite
> > uplink.
> >
> > All is well, please feel free to go about your
> lives.
> >
> > US (not to be confused with THEM).
> >
> >
> >
>
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] info
Date: August 18, 2003 at 5:09:36 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
As far as I know the main problem with alcohol is that it stirs up all the muscles, spasms and restlessness in the body specially when taking pharmacy drugs like pain-killers. I guess everyone is different but most people I know have had problems flare up while using pain medication and then drinking on top.. Alcohol seems a good anaesthetic at the time but once it starts mingling with all the other stuff in the body it gets too much and usuallly makes the nerves jangle. However, I can only speak for myself and those I have talked to and others might think differently. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.coDate: Friday, 1 August 2003 10:09:06 a.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] info
Hey you
You are WHO and interested in WHAT for WHAT?
Since you are on one of the ibogaine lists, can I
assume ibogaine? For you? (stats/history/about is
helpful) For addiction? For someone else? (ditto) For
non-addiction reasons? Do you want a Bwiti Ritual? Do
you want ibo as a doping agent for your next sporting
event? Do you want it for its aphrodisiac properties?
Its mood elevation properties? Are you a baren woman
trying to find a fertility drug (no iboga fruit around
though)? Do you need it softer, more spiritual and
natural or have deep issues you need dug up with a
crow bar? Ibo, and its flavors do this and more,
different form of ibo is a bit different, ibo also has
different effects at different dosages, it is a
sedative and stimulant for example. It even effects
boys and girls somewhat differently, unless you are a
different species, then it also effects you
differently. It is also highly unpredictable, I don’t
know if 100mg test dose will knock you on your ass or
do nothing, I don’t know if a full dose will have the
same effect, usually it works just fine though (don’t
mean to scare you, just make a point).
Not looking to break your chops but ibogaine has many
uses, it also effects people differently, typically
different addictions have more specific responses (ie
methadone is a bit different than dope which is
different than doing non-opiates…
While you are thinking of answers, go to ibogaine.org,
ibogaine.org/manual.html (follow the links is helpful)
and ibogaine.co.uk or if you are like way too fucked
up to figure it out ask us something like; “I am
interested it. Can You tell me some more info”.
OK yes it works far better than all the drug
treatments combined times some huge number – for me.
Lets see, quit coke/alcohol (after a “run”, counted
gone/dead I returned from treatment literally
levitating and at peace), a year ago the cigarettes
went too… by then though the second I put them down
I knew without any doubt that I was a non-smoker, and
that I still am, not one and don’t care to.
Meanwhile, Geez, I feel yucky. My pain doc is fucking
with me and so is the medication, the 12 hour tabs
that I am taking every 8 hours don’t work. The doc has
control issues with the meds so while he gets his shit
together I am going off. This is like way too
complicated, no wonder I gave up on doctors 17 years
ago and just drank, much cheaper, simple, to the
point, the bartender doesn’t care but listens. Why am
I not taking ibo for this you ask, for 30mg oxycontin,
that is a baby addiction, I’ll live. Anyway, good
practice don’t you think?
Really though, don’t mind me, I am just blowing off
steam, am really detoxing from pain meds w/o ibo, have
done ibo for both pre and post real addiction. It took
me several tries at it, then some more “boosters” as I
call them. These days I do just do sick things like
get myself addicted to pain meds and then just detox
to prove how (sick) healthy I am and NO I don’t have
control issues, what gave you that idea? (anyone on
medication DO NOT DO WHAT I DO, I AM DEEPLY DISTURBED)
$%^&*ing doctor… meanwhile I guess it could be
worse, he could know about my former life <hee hee>
and then really put the control screws, sign this
contract, pee here… geez. I never got the point or
have seen any use in people doing things to protect me
from me, the best it has done is provide me an excuse
to use/drink, and with good reason.
Anyone know if it is cheaper to get your drugs from
the doctor/pharmacy or illegally? That is not
including lawyers, fines and other things that happen
after getting caught? That only happens to other
people you know.
Really though ibo works, do you?
And like if you have a name, that is also helpful.
Brett
— yojeda@bellsouth.net wrote:
> I am interested it. Can You tell me some more info.
> Thanks
>
>
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From: “Mary Adams” <m.adams01@comcast.net>
Subject: Fw: Re: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
Date: August 18, 2003 at 12:18:40 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003 10:08:26 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
It was very strange to see all that on the news.
Entire major cities going out. It always reminds me of
that one big message you posted (patrick) about
technology and privacy and how for most people it’s
magic and they don’t understand it.
I admit I don’t. I know how to use the computer mostly
😉 except when it hates me. But I don’t understand
how most technology works at all.
What I wonder about too and don’t understand is seeing
the news, some worm shut down all of microsoft, turned
off the internet in Sweden and broke atm machines. I
also see some of the hacker messages that get thrown
through here every so often and it’s like from another
world. Where everyone types using different characters
instead of the letters 😉
What I wanted to ask is, why do most of them, the
hacker kids who I guess are the ones who have a lot of
skills, act so angry most of the time and spend so
much effort destroying everything?
Why do they want to destroy microsoft, ok I understand
all of you hate miscrosoft, never mind that question
😉 But why do they want to destroy the internet and
millions of computers they don’t even know who is
using them? I don’t understand that. If they ever
manage to destroy the internet or shut it down, then
what is it that they are going to do??? Isn’t it the
internet that makes all of them, you, possible?
Hi gamma! Where have you been hiding?
Carla B
— Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> kerplooey, kerplunk, kerplow.
>
> glad we’re all back, or here, or not, as the case
> were.
>
> Our fine de-regulated ‘lectrisity’ pushers hard at
> work.
>
> ~g
>
> — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
> > Uhm, we’re back online. New York City faw down go
> bo0m, hurt itself, run
> > out of electricity. Stupid, fucking electric
> bill; I meant to say:
> > TERRORISTS.
> >
> > Anywaze, note to self: obtain solar-powered bomb
> shelter with satellite
> > uplink.
> >
> > All is well, please feel free to go about your
> lives.
> >
> > US (not to be confused with THEM).
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
Date: August 18, 2003 at 12:04:52 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
— Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why do they want to destroy microsoft, ok I understand
all of you hate miscrosoft, never mind that question
😉 But why do they want to destroy the internet and
millions of computers they don’t even know who is
using them? I don’t understand that. If they ever
manage to destroy the internet or shut it down, then
what is it that they are going to do??? Isn’t it the
internet that makes all of them, you, possible?
Besides the simple fact that Microsoft is in fact a manifestation of Satan
(Bill Gates the Anti-Christ? ~:^) -But IMHO all lot of these acts are
perpetrated simply because it was possible. Its a challenge. Anarchy still
alive and hacking in 2003. Or maybe its an elite network of cyber terrorists
intent on destroying what they can of the globalization empire. But then again,
i know nothing, i never hacked anybody. I swear!
Hi gamma! Where have you been hiding?
Right here in Lurk Mode, life changes, job and life in general. Oh yeah and we
have a kid on the way, in fact This will truely be an ibo child as ibo is what
brought my wife and I together in the first place.
The plot thickens…
~gamma
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
Date: August 17, 2003 at 11:08:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
It was very strange to see all that on the news.
Entire major cities going out. It always reminds me of
that one big message you posted (patrick) about
technology and privacy and how for most people it’s
magic and they don’t understand it.
I admit I don’t. I know how to use the computer mostly
😉 except when it hates me. But I don’t understand
how most technology works at all.
What I wonder about too and don’t understand is seeing
the news, some worm shut down all of microsoft, turned
off the internet in Sweden and broke atm machines. I
also see some of the hacker messages that get thrown
through here every so often and it’s like from another
world. Where everyone types using different characters
instead of the letters 😉
What I wanted to ask is, why do most of them, the
hacker kids who I guess are the ones who have a lot of
skills, act so angry most of the time and spend so
much effort destroying everything?
Why do they want to destroy microsoft, ok I understand
all of you hate miscrosoft, never mind that question
😉 But why do they want to destroy the internet and
millions of computers they don’t even know who is
using them? I don’t understand that. If they ever
manage to destroy the internet or shut it down, then
what is it that they are going to do??? Isn’t it the
internet that makes all of them, you, possible?
Hi gamma! Where have you been hiding?
Carla B
— Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com> wrote:
kerplooey, kerplunk, kerplow.
glad we’re all back, or here, or not, as the case
were.
Our fine de-regulated ‘lectrisity’ pushers hard at
work.
~g
— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
Uhm, we’re back online. New York City faw down go
bo0m, hurt itself, run
out of electricity. Stupid, fucking electric
bill; I meant to say:
TERRORISTS.
Anywaze, note to self: obtain solar-powered bomb
shelter with satellite
uplink.
All is well, please feel free to go about your
lives.
US (not to be confused with THEM).
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] help me please
Date: August 17, 2003 at 11:01:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi M. Izgi
I wanted to say that I so very much understand how
desperete and awful you feel. I think most of us here
have all been there, a lot of times. Too many times.
Whatever you do don’t give up! In some weird way this
list is the best constant support group that I’ve ever
found. I read every message some of the time, then I
don’t read it for a few months, then I come back. In
some way it’s like the only stable thing in all of
this, that if I ever feel I need to talk or say
something, there are people who understand what I’m
going through, from all over the world and some of
them act like asses some of the time 😉 but they’re
just being real and then turn around and are some of
the kindest, most knowledgable people I’ve ever talked
to.
Please don’t hurt yourself with ibogaine. Read the
manual and ask for advice about dose before you do it.
I’ve done ibogaine on my own and it did finally help
me to get out of addiction. A lot of other things have
helped me besides that, I wish I could say some
support group and I don’t know, I have always had a
awful time at 12 step groups and feel like I’m getting
beat up instead of helped. But it’s important to have
some kind of support and have people to talk to when
you need. This list is also good for that because alot
of people who don’t talk on the list will through
email or over the phone and as many as there are
unfortunately I don’t think there’s nayone else in
Turkey? Is there?
Carla B
— fakeplacebo@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear Friends In The Group,
Thank you all for your good company and your
valuable advices. Sory but I want you to ask for
last time. All that I want is Ibogain treatment
possibility. Please tell me; could I use Iboga by
myself at the my home and how. Please inform me
about the treatment procedure and how could I buy
Ibogain without a credit card. (I’m living in
Turkey) I decided to try Iboagin as my last chance
to live. Who knows maybe there is a room for me in
the future as a normal, healty guy. As I said
before I will try to do best I can. Please inform me
about self ibogain treatment.
(Sory as you see I’m not good at the english
language)
Best Regards
M. Izgi
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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
Date: August 17, 2003 at 8:37:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
kerplooey, kerplunk, kerplow.
glad we’re all back, or here, or not, as the case were.
Our fine de-regulated ‘lectrisity’ pushers hard at work.
~g
— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
Uhm, we’re back online. New York City faw down go bo0m, hurt itself, run
out of electricity. Stupid, fucking electric bill; I meant to say:
TERRORISTS.
Anywaze, note to self: obtain solar-powered bomb shelter with satellite
uplink.
All is well, please feel free to go about your lives.
US (not to be confused with THEM).
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] help me please
Date: August 17, 2003 at 5:12:16 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hope you got the e-mail from Howard Lotsof. Don’t stop fighting. Sorry I can’t help you with the ibogaine request but hope you keep talking and know you are not on your own. That probably sounds so inadequate and pathetic but its hard to know what to say. Take Care if yourself as best as possible.
Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Sunday, 17 August 2003 2:15:17 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] help me please
Dear Friends In The Group,
Thank you all for your good company and your valuable advices. Sory but I want you to ask for last time. All that I want is Ibogain treatment possibility. Please tell me; could I use Iboga by myself at the my home and how. Please inform me about the treatment procedure and how could I buy Ibogain without a credit card. (I’m living in Turkey) I decided to try Iboagin as my last chance to live. Who knows maybe there is a room for me in the future as a normal, healty guy. As I said before I will try to do best I can. Please inform me about self ibogain treatment.
(Sory as you see I’m not good at the english language)
Best Regards
M. Izgi
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] back up
Date: August 17, 2003 at 2:04:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In a message dated 8/17/03 2:54:45 AM, crownofthorns@hushmail.com writes:
I got it. I get Mindvox again when I try the site too.
Is all of NYC back up as of today?
There were super fireworks when the lights came on in lower manhattan. They
shot the rockets higher than on the 4th of July. My understanding is NYC is
up and running.
Fantastic show.
Howard
Staten Island, NY
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] help me please
Date: August 17, 2003 at 2:02:17 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In a message dated 8/17/03 2:15:36 AM, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com writes:
Dear Friends In The Group,
Thank you all for your good company and your valuable advices. Sory but
I want you to ask for last time. All that I want is Ibogain treatment
possibility.
Please tell me; could I use Iboga by myself at the my home and how. Please
inform me about the treatment procedure and how could I buy Ibogain without
a credit card. (I’m living in Turkey) I decided to try Iboagin as my last
chance to live. Who knows maybe there is a room for me in the future as
a normal, healty guy. As I said before I will try to do best I can. Please
inform me about self ibogain treatment.
M. Izgi,
You can go to http://www.ibogaine.org/treatment.html and review
partient/participant cases as they include a broad spectrum of the experience. You should
also read http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/clin-perspectives.html and the Manual
for Ibogaine Therapy, http://www.ibogaine.org/manual.html
There are appendices in the manual that include many of the principal
ibogaine treatment papers by Wells, Frenken, Sandberg and Resinovic while the manual
itself includes the ideas of many of the ibogaine providers in the world
today. Particularly in the Discussion section of the manual.
Certainly look at the other major ibogaine web pages. Just go to google.com
and use ibogaine as your searchterm. Good luck.
Howard
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] methadone patient self-help
Date: August 17, 2003 at 1:51:39 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In a message dated 8/17/03 2:02:02 AM, deartheo@ziplip.com writes:
In what i have read about the pro’s and con’s of methadone, i haven’t seen
what i think is a important issue in methadone treatment: the fact that
the methadone patient cannot recieve his/her prescribed methadone if accused
of a crime. It is enough to drive the methadone patient borderline paranoid
if s/he has warrants. Just wondering what your thoughts are on that, or
if their is a contact to whom i can right that will make address this fact.
jason bursey
Jason,
You are completely right. The situation sucks! It is not a hundred percent.
NYC has a program where they keep prisoners dosed on methadone in jail.
Unless the Feds have changed and I have not kept up on this, they won’t dose you
in prison or allow you on a methadone program while on probation or parole.
Various counties, cities, judges throughout the US pull the same garbage. The
National Alliance of Methadone Advocates (NAMA) is an organization that tries
to address this matter. You can go to their web page http://www.methadone.org
and link to the We Speak Methadone Bulletin Board to meet methadone patients.
Plus…there is a lot of information on methadone. For some background check
out http://www.doraweiner.org/content.html or you can go to the lead in page
http://www.doraweiner.org/aatod.html and go to bitch and gripe where patients
try to protect themselves from abusive clinics. http://bitchandgripe.com/
Regards,
Howard
Howard S Lotsof
NAMA
Board of Directors
Investigations
435 Second Ave
New York, NY 10010
212 595-6262
dir tel 718 442-2754
dir fax 718 442-1957
email Lotsof506@aol.com
From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] back up
Date: August 16, 2003 at 10:53:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I got it. I get Mindvox again when I try the site too.
Is all of NYC back up as of today?
Peace out,
Curtis
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 18:52:15 -0700 HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
Well, if this gets through mindvox is up and operating.
Howard
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From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] back up
Date: August 16, 2003 at 9:58:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
In what i have read about the pro’s and con’s of methadone, i haven’t seen what i think is a important issue in methadone treatment: the fact that the methadone patient cannot recieve his/her prescribed methadone if accused of a crime. It is enough to drive the methadone patient borderline paranoid if s/he has warrants. Just wondering what your thoughts are on that, or if their is a contact to whom i can right that will make address this fact.
jason bursey
—–Original Message—–
From: HSLotsof@aol.com [mailto:HSLotsof@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003, 6:52 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] back up
Well, if this gets through mindvox is up and operating.
Howard
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] back up
Date: August 16, 2003 at 9:52:15 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Well, if this gets through mindvox is up and operating.
Howard
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] thingS and Stuff
Date: August 16, 2003 at 9:29:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Uhm, we’re back online. New York City faw down go bo0m, hurt itself, run
out of electricity. Stupid, fucking electric bill; I meant to say:
TERRORISTS.
Anywaze, note to self: obtain solar-powered bomb shelter with satellite
uplink.
All is well, please feel free to go about your lives.
US (not to be confused with THEM).
From: <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] help me please
Date: August 15, 2003 at 3:08:16 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Friends In The Group,
Thank you all for your good company and your valuable advices. Sory but I want you to ask for last time. All that I want is Ibogain treatment possibility. Please tell me; could I use Iboga by myself at the my home and how. Please inform me about the treatment procedure and how could I buy Ibogain without a credit card. (I’m living in Turkey) I decided to try Iboagin as my last chance to live. Who knows maybe there is a room for me in the future as a normal, healty guy. As I said before I will try to do best I can. Please inform me about self ibogain treatment.
(Sory as you see I’m not good at the english language)
Best Regards
M. Izgi
_________________________________________
From: Nik <goosebumpz2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy and DMT
Date: August 14, 2003 at 12:56:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I read in rolling stone that he was most fasinated by n,n,DMT
Allison Senepart <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
That is so good. I love Iggy Pop but have never had the chance to see a live show. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 7:21:21 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Just saw Iggy and the Stooges live, on a spur of the moment trip to Long
Island.
For those who don’t know, Iggy Pop was an infamous doper, banging one
heck of a lot of heroin, among other drugs and substances. His music,
particularly old Stooges stuff, was part of the sound track during my first
real forays into heroin use and eventually addiction, but I still listen to
it, both his solo and old Stooges stuff too.
For a guy who did as much heroin and other drugs to point of serious..
(hey, the Democrats’ Hear it from the Heartland with Tom Harken is using
Led Zepplin music as theme music [When the Levy Breaks- is that the title?]
I just noticed on C-Span- interesting- wonder what votes they’re aiming for
with that?)
…abuse and a few times near death from what I’ve read and heard from
friends, (and reaching 60 I’m sure, or damn near it now) Iggy looks amazing.
I mean the guy looks buff and healthy as hell. Gives me hope for my
future.;-))
Anyway, just thought I’d share the end of an incredibly happy stress
free day.
Back to the war stuff now.
Peace,
Preston
(as we discussed back when this list first started, there is another side to
the drug issue- the happy, positive side that needs to also be focused on,
or I at least can get de-freakin-pressed as hell. There was even talk from
our other founder, Andria in London, of maybe calling the list DrugPeace,
but as you can see that didn’t go over too well. But I can’t help making the
observation that Iggy Pop, fomer junky from hell, looked great, and I don’t
believe he ever did any jail time either. He may have had treatment more
than once though. Voluntary treatment. I hope I look, sound, and dance half
as good as he was tonight when I’m his age.
Anyway…)
.
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From: Nik <goosebumpz2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy and DMT
Date: August 14, 2003 at 12:56:46 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I read in rolling stone that he was most fasinated by n,n,DMT
Allison Senepart <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
That is so good. I love Iggy Pop but have never had the chance to see a live show. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 7:21:21 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Just saw Iggy and the Stooges live, on a spur of the moment trip to Long
Island.
For those who don’t know, Iggy Pop was an infamous doper, banging one
heck of a lot of heroin, among other drugs and substances. His music,
particularly old Stooges stuff, was part of the sound track during my first
real forays into heroin use and eventually addiction, but I still listen to
it, both his solo and old Stooges stuff too.
For a guy who did as much heroin and other drugs to point of serious..
(hey, the Democrats’ Hear it from the Heartland with Tom Harken is using
Led Zepplin music as theme music [When the Levy Breaks- is that the title?]
I just noticed on C-Span- interesting- wonder what votes they’re aiming for
with that?)
…abuse and a few times near death from what I’ve read and heard from
friends, (and reaching 60 I’m sure, or damn near it now) Iggy looks amazing.
I mean the guy looks buff and healthy as hell. Gives me hope for my
future.;-))
Anyway, just thought I’d share the end of an incredibly happy stress
free day.
Back to the war stuff now.
Peace,
Preston
(as we discussed back when this list first started, there is another side to
the drug issue- the happy, positive side that needs to also be focused on,
or I at least can get de-freakin-pressed as hell. There was even talk from
our other founder, Andria in London, of maybe calling the list DrugPeace,
but as you can see that didn’t go over too well. But I can’t help making the
observation that Iggy Pop, fomer junky from hell, looked great, and I don’t
believe he ever did any jail time either. He may have had treatment more
than once though. Voluntary treatment. I hope I look, sound, and dance half
as good as he was tonight when I’m his age.
Anyway…)
.
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From: Nik <goosebumpz2002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy and DMT
Date: August 14, 2003 at 12:56:42 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I read in rolling stone that he was most fasinated by n,n,DMT
Allison Senepart <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
That is so good. I love Iggy Pop but have never had the chance to see a live show. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 7:21:21 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Just saw Iggy and the Stooges live, on a spur of the moment trip to Long
Island.
For those who don’t know, Iggy Pop was an infamous doper, banging one
heck of a lot of heroin, among other drugs and substances. His music,
particularly old Stooges stuff, was part of the sound track during my first
real forays into heroin use and eventually addiction, but I still listen to
it, both his solo and old Stooges stuff too.
For a guy who did as much heroin and other drugs to point of serious..
(hey, the Democrats’ Hear it from the Heartland with Tom Harken is using
Led Zepplin music as theme music [When the Levy Breaks- is that the title?]
I just noticed on C-Span- interesting- wonder what votes they’re aiming for
with that?)
…abuse and a few times near death from what I’ve read and heard from
friends, (and reaching 60 I’m sure, or damn near it now) Iggy looks amazing.
I mean the guy looks buff and healthy as hell. Gives me hope for my
future.;-))
Anyway, just thought I’d share the end of an incredibly happy stress
free day.
Back to the war stuff now.
Peace,
Preston
(as we discussed back when this list first started, there is another side to
the drug issue- the happy, positive side that needs to also be focused on,
or I at least can get de-freakin-pressed as hell. There was even talk from
our other founder, Andria in London, of maybe calling the list DrugPeace,
but as you can see that didn’t go over too well. But I can’t help making the
observation that Iggy Pop, fomer junky from hell, looked great, and I don’t
believe he ever did any jail time either. He may have had treatment more
than once though. Voluntary treatment. I hope I look, sound, and dance half
as good as he was tonight when I’m his age.
Anyway…)
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From: Hattie <epoptica@freeuk.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] MESSAGE TO HATTIIE….AGAIN!
Date: August 14, 2003 at 4:12:58 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
on 14/8/03 12:38 am, Angie Sadler at angie.sadler1@ntlworld.com wrote:
My email is
epoptica@freeuk.com
Speak soon,
Hattie
Hi Hattie,
Thanks for getting in touch so quickly, but something odd is happening with the emails, I only received the list email address.
Will post you my phone number off list, as I kept putting off phoning, nervous, I need kicking into touch, so I guess that would be the best way to start.
Many thanks
Love
Angie (UK).
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] ibogaine conference workshop manual
Date: August 13, 2003 at 10:36:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To those of you who assisted in allowing the ibogaine and methadone
presentation at the AATOD (American Association for the Treatment of Opioid Dependence)
conference, I want to say thanks.
http://doraweiner.org/contents.html
Howard
Howard Lotsof
President
Dora Weiner Foundation
46 Oxford Place
Staten Island, NY 10301
tel: 718 442-2754
fax: 718 442-1957
email: dwf123@earthlink.net
http://www.doraweiner.org
From: “Angie Sadler” <angie.sadler1@ntlworld.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] MESSAGE TO HATTIIE….AGAIN!
Date: August 13, 2003 at 7:38:05 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi Hattie,
Thanks for getting in touch so quickly, but something odd is happening with the emails, I only received the list email address.
Will post you my phone number off list, as I kept putting off phoning, nervous, I need kicking into touch, so I guess that would be the best way to start.
Many thanks
Love
Angie (UK).
From: MARC <marc420emery@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] anyone know a plan B?
Date: August 12, 2003 at 10:13:03 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Jason,
What are you doing since you left here in the way of daily activity? Can you tell me what you are doing differently now than before iboga extract? Do you enjoy the idea of your own personal advance or does it intimidate you or both?
Marc Emery
IbogaHouse
—– Original Message —–
From: deartheo@ziplip.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 4:11 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] anyone know a plan B?
I will be doing(if i am able to raise $ for round trip air fair) my 2nd dose of iboga early Sept. to finally get this sickness behind me (263ml/day methadone[last dose taken 7/11/03]). I am simply exhausted, but i will say it is very obvious i am only facing 5%-10% of the unimaginable monster that would be there if i went cold turkey without iboga. I took my first dose (4,200) of iboga on 7/14/03. I need a back up plan if i am unable to raise the dead presidents, i am aware that most places will not ship iboga(ine) to the U.S. I am also aware that some risk so much to help those in need, which i respect but wish it wasn’t necessary. I need $400 to get back to Vancouver, i have raised $200 so far. Please if anyone on the list knows some information i would very much appreciate it. I would say it is slowly but surely getting better, but my vertebrae feel like smoldering charcoals, burning the cold burn of the sickness. Kind of feel like I’m in a contest to see who can hold their breath the longest or who can stay up the longest. Every (wo)man thinks his(her) burden is the heaviest.
One and all have got to face reality.
Stay Strong,
jason
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: instant message contact/was private email
Date: August 12, 2003 at 7:55:17 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Well, now I know how stupid everyone else feels when they accidentally send a
private email to the list.
Howard
In a message dated 8/12/03 11:49:14 PM, HSLotsof writes:
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] instant message contact
Date: August 12, 2003 at 7:49:14 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, HSLotsof@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hattie,
I was instant messaged by Highlander35739 stating he was in Scotland and on
the mindvox list. I suggested he check out your email to Angie and contact you.
Just wanted to let you know of the communication. Don’t know anything more.
Oh yes, I provide him with the url for your paper on ibogaine,
ibogaine.org/wells.html
Howard
From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: [ibogaine] anyone know a plan B?
Date: August 12, 2003 at 7:11:05 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I will be doing(if i am able to raise $ for round trip air fair) my 2nd dose of iboga early Sept. to finally get this sickness behind me (263ml/day methadone[last dose taken 7/11/03]). I am simply exhausted, but i will say it is very obvious i am only facing 5%-10% of the unimaginable monster that would be there if i went cold turkey without iboga. I took my first dose (4,200) of iboga on 7/14/03. I need a back up plan if i am unable to raise the dead presidents, i am aware that most places will not ship iboga(ine) to the U.S. I am also aware that some risk so much to help those in need, which i respect but wish it wasn’t necessary. I need $400 to get back to Vancouver, i have raised $200 so far. Please if anyone on the list knows some information i would very much appreciate it. I would say it is slowly but surely getting better, but my vertebrae feel like smoldering charcoals, burning the cold burn of the sickness. Kind of feel like I’m in a contest to see who can hold their breath the longest or who can stay up the longest. Every (wo)man thinks his(her) burden is the heaviest.
One and all have got to face reality.
Stay Strong,
jason
From: Hattie <epoptica@freeuk.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] In Touch….
Date: August 12, 2003 at 8:35:10 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
on 12/8/03 1:21 pm, Angie Sadler at angie.sadler1@ntlworld.com wrote:
Angie,
Here is my email address, I was wondering what had happened to you. Do get in touch off line and we can discuss options further. Or alternatively post me your telephone number and I will call you.
Love Hattie
—– Original Message —–
From: Angie Sadler <mailto:angie.sadler1@ntlworld.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:12 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] Please Get In Touch….
MESSAGE TO HATTIE….
THIS IS FROM ANGIE (UK). I ASKED FOR HELP AND INFORMATION ABOUT IBOGAINE FOR ALCOHOL DEPENDENCE. MY COMPUTER CRASHED AND I LOST ALL MY CORRESPONDENCE, THEREFORE CANNOT GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
CAN YOU PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH ME? I KNOW IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME BUT I AM STILL VERY NERVOUS ABOUT IBOGAINE, NEVER HAVING DONE DRUGS. BUT THEN, I NEVER NEEDED TO, ALCOHOL HAS MANAGED TO RUIN MY LIFE ALL BY ITSELF, IT DIDN’T NEED ANY HELP FROM DRUGS, NOW MAYBE IT DOES???
LOVE
ANGIE.
From: “Angie Sadler” <angie.sadler1@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Fw: [ibogaine] Please Get In Touch….
Date: August 12, 2003 at 8:21:24 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
—– Original Message —–
From: Angie Sadler
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 1:12 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] Please Get In Touch….
MESSAGE TO HATTIE….
THIS IS FROM ANGIE (UK). I ASKED FOR HELP AND INFORMATION ABOUT IBOGAINE FOR ALCOHOL DEPENDENCE. MY COMPUTER CRASHED AND I LOST ALL MY CORRESPONDENCE, THEREFORE CANNOT GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
CAN YOU PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH ME? I KNOW IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME BUT I AM STILL VERY NERVOUS ABOUT IBOGAINE, NEVER HAVING DONE DRUGS. BUT THEN, I NEVER NEEDED TO, ALCOHOL HAS MANAGED TO RUIN MY LIFE ALL BY ITSELF, IT DIDN’T NEED ANY HELP FROM DRUGS, NOW MAYBE IT DOES???
LOVE
ANGIE.
From: “Angie Sadler” <angie.sadler1@ntlworld.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Please Get In Touch….
Date: August 12, 2003 at 8:12:12 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
MESSAGE TO HATTIE….
THIS IS FROM ANGIE (UK). I ASKED FOR HELP AND INFORMATION ABOUT IBOGAINE FOR ALCOHOL DEPENDENCE. MY COMPUTER CRASHED AND I LOST ALL MY CORRESPONDENCE, THEREFORE CANNOT GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
CAN YOU PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH ME? I KNOW IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME BUT I AM STILL VERY NERVOUS ABOUT IBOGAINE, NEVER HAVING DONE DRUGS. BUT THEN, I NEVER NEEDED TO, ALCOHOL HAS MANAGED TO RUIN MY LIFE ALL BY ITSELF, IT DIDN’T NEED ANY HELP FROM DRUGS, NOW MAYBE IT DOES???
LOVE
ANGIE.
From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 12, 2003 at 7:42:24 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi… Am not sure what to say. I really don’t know enough about the legal issues or laws in Turkey. I do know that they don’t have much or any tolerance on drug usage but other than that am at a loss.
What do other addicts do in your country??? Is there any help or
treatment. I know what you mean about the money. If I had a few hundred dollars when I was using I would spend it on drugs and then tell myself I would clean up tomorrow, but the trouble was there was always a tomorrow in my mind and it took a long time coming around. Keep talking to everyone here & maybe someone else might know more than I do. At least keep in touch with others.
You might never get rid of that mind set but it does get better and feel better when you start feeling like a somewhat healthy person again. Sort of like starting again. That probably sounds silly but thats about the best I can find words for. Take Care. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Tuesday, 12 August 2003 8:21:59 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear Vector,
Thank you for your mail. First of all I’m living in Turkey, Istanbul not in
Israel. Turkey is a muslim country and many of the peoples is ungraduated.
Few years ago I had many gold credit card but I’ve lost everything what I
have and nowadays I have no credit card to order Iboagin from indra. Second
one is Even I could buy ibogain, I don’t know that how could I use it to
administrate my healing process. I heard that it requires professional healt
care. But if you know something about ibogain treatment procedure please
inform me. You can’t imagine that life is how hard in a muslim country. All
of the peoples (even doctors) think junkies are the friends of satan. In a
developing(!) country (like Turkey, Brazilya, colombia) government is
spending all the funds for pay back credits to IMF. Our health services
falled down. I can’t buy Ibogain by the collecting money because I’m
spending all the money for “H” . Many days I usualy stay hungry without
eating maybe 1-2 days. Maybe you can’t understand my life without seeing.
Your countries are rich. Dont make any competition between countries. Maybe
you don’t believe me. But it’s all true. That’s why I feel hoppeless and
thinking about suicide.
Best Regards
M. Izgi
—– Original Message —–
From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
> M. Izgi. I don’t mean to take anything you are going through lightly
> and if what I say sound stupid or something then I am sorry in advance.
> I haven’t spent most of my life strung out like a lot of people on this
> list and don’t have personal experience with what you’re going through.
>
> But if you live in Israel, why don’t you just order some ibogaine? It’s
> not scheduled in your country. If you can find a way to get enough
> money to shoot heroin every day, it should not be that impossible to
> buy some ibogaine. It doesn’t cost that much. The HCL is between $200
> and $300 a gram I think, the Indra is much cheaper.
>
> Welcome to the list and good luck!
>
> .:vector:.
>
> — fakeplacebo@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Dear Allison,
> > This is very nice and making me stronger to heard from you. But I
> > don’t know if there are my relatives and who they are because my
> > parents died in car accident when I was just a little kid. I growth
> > in orphanage. (But I was very good student and I won many
> > scholarships and graduated Hacettepe University, computer engineering
> > department) Because of some religional reasons, many of the peoples
> > of my country don’t like the peoples like me. I have few good friends
> > but they are just like me and can’t help me. In my country if you
> > are junky or guy, etc… you have to die. They are too sraight and
> > they have no tolerance for marginality (even doctors). You can’t
> > imagine that life is how hard for me. There is no mean for living.
> > I’m a loser. But you cared me, it’s note usualy happens to me thank
> > you.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > M. Izgi
> > —– Original Message —–
> > From: Allison Senepart
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
> >
> >
> > Please try and hang in there. Being an addict doesn’t mean
> > the end of the road. There is always something else and obviously
> > you are looking for it to write your e-mail which is a big step
> > forward to start with. From what I can see most people on this list
> > have been exactly where you are now and it hurts like hell but talk
> > to others and it will get better, believe it or not.
> > Have you got family or a partner etc. or a good friend that
> > can help or give you some support??? Sorry for your pain but don’t
> > give up. Talk to other people and read the heroin times, this list
> > and other lists cos it does help to know that other people are out
> > there too. Good luck Allison
> >
> > ——-Original Message——-
> >
> > From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 3:07:46 a.
> > To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> > Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
> >
> > Dear Friends in the group,
> > A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still
> > thinking and wishing
> > to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail
> > to many other
> > guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my
> > addiction. As usual;
> > no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me
> > good advices,
> > At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living
> > in Turkey
> > Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried
> > many ways (rapid
> > detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t
> > worked on me,
> > already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like
> > methadon, ibogain,
> > etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and
> > nobody helps you
> > that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe
> > my last
> > chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain
> > teratment cause of
> > money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for
> > me.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > M Izgi
> >
> >
> > .
> >
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From: <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 12, 2003 at 4:19:17 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Vector,
Thank you for your mail. First of all I’m living in Turkey, Istanbul not in
Israel. Turkey is a muslim country and many of the peoples is ungraduated.
Few years ago I had many gold credit card but I’ve lost everything what I
have and nowadays I have no credit card to order Iboagin from indra. Second
one is Even I could buy ibogain, I don’t know that how could I use it to
administrate my healing process. I heard that it requires professional healt
care. But if you know something about ibogain treatment procedure please
inform me. You can’t imagine that life is how hard in a muslim country. All
of the peoples (even doctors) think junkies are the friends of satan. In a
developing(!) country (like Turkey, Brazilya, colombia) government is
spending all the funds for pay back credits to IMF. Our health services
falled down. I can’t buy Ibogain by the collecting money because I’m
spending all the money for “H” . Many days I usualy stay hungry without
eating maybe 1-2 days. Maybe you can’t understand my life without seeing.
Your countries are rich. Dont make any competition between countries. Maybe
you don’t believe me. But it’s all true. That’s why I feel hoppeless and
thinking about suicide.
Best Regards
M. Izgi
—– Original Message —–
From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
M. Izgi. I don’t mean to take anything you are going through lightly
and if what I say sound stupid or something then I am sorry in advance.
I haven’t spent most of my life strung out like a lot of people on this
list and don’t have personal experience with what you’re going through.
But if you live in Israel, why don’t you just order some ibogaine? It’s
not scheduled in your country. If you can find a way to get enough
money to shoot heroin every day, it should not be that impossible to
buy some ibogaine. It doesn’t cost that much. The HCL is between $200
and $300 a gram I think, the Indra is much cheaper.
Welcome to the list and good luck!
.:vector:.
— fakeplacebo@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear Allison,
This is very nice and making me stronger to heard from you. But I
don’t know if there are my relatives and who they are because my
parents died in car accident when I was just a little kid. I growth
in orphanage. (But I was very good student and I won many
scholarships and graduated Hacettepe University, computer engineering
department) Because of some religional reasons, many of the peoples
of my country don’t like the peoples like me. I have few good friends
but they are just like me and can’t help me. In my country if you
are junky or guy, etc… you have to die. They are too sraight and
they have no tolerance for marginality (even doctors). You can’t
imagine that life is how hard for me. There is no mean for living.
I’m a loser. But you cared me, it’s note usualy happens to me thank
you.
Best Regards
M. Izgi
—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Please try and hang in there. Being an addict doesn’t mean
the end of the road. There is always something else and obviously
you are looking for it to write your e-mail which is a big step
forward to start with. From what I can see most people on this list
have been exactly where you are now and it hurts like hell but talk
to others and it will get better, believe it or not.
Have you got family or a partner etc. or a good friend that
can help or give you some support??? Sorry for your pain but don’t
give up. Talk to other people and read the heroin times, this list
and other lists cos it does help to know that other people are out
there too. Good luck Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 3:07:46 a.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still
thinking and wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail
to many other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my
addiction. As usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me
good advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living
in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried
many ways (rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t
worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like
methadon, ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and
nobody helps you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe
my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain
teratment cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for
me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
.
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 11, 2003 at 8:03:51 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Vector postulated >If you can find a way to get enough
money to shoot heroin every day, it should not be that impossible to
buy some ibogaine. It doesn’t cost that much. The HCL is between $200
and $300 a gram I think, the Indra is much cheaper<
Well, just from my own experiences, I know that while trying to maintain a
serious heroin habit, it was pretty much impossible for me to save up even
$200 or $300 bucks, unless I made it all in one lump sum. Even then, if I’d
had to order ibogaine I wouldn’t have done it (not to give the impression
that I have done ibogaine- I haven’t) as I’d have needed to get straight
right then, and wouldn’t have had the time, patience nor real desire to wait
for the ibogaine’s arrival, as badly as I may have wanted to kick the dope.
Just sayin’.
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: “Vector Vector” <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
M. Izgi. I don’t mean to take anything you are going through lightly
and if what I say sound stupid or something then I am sorry in advance.
I haven’t spent most of my life strung out like a lot of people on this
list and don’t have personal experience with what you’re going through.
But if you live in Israel, why don’t you just order some ibogaine? It’s
not scheduled in your country. If you can find a way to get enough
money to shoot heroin every day, it should not be that impossible to
buy some ibogaine. It doesn’t cost that much. The HCL is between $200
and $300 a gram I think, the Indra is much cheaper.
Welcome to the list and good luck!
.:vector:.
— fakeplacebo@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear Allison,
This is very nice and making me stronger to heard from you. But I
don’t know if there are my relatives and who they are because my
parents died in car accident when I was just a little kid. I growth
in orphanage. (But I was very good student and I won many
scholarships and graduated Hacettepe University, computer engineering
department) Because of some religional reasons, many of the peoples
of my country don’t like the peoples like me. I have few good friends
but they are just like me and can’t help me. In my country if you
are junky or guy, etc… you have to die. They are too sraight and
they have no tolerance for marginality (even doctors). You can’t
imagine that life is how hard for me. There is no mean for living.
I’m a loser. But you cared me, it’s note usualy happens to me thank
you.
Best Regards
M. Izgi
—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Please try and hang in there. Being an addict doesn’t mean
the end of the road. There is always something else and obviously
you are looking for it to write your e-mail which is a big step
forward to start with. From what I can see most people on this list
have been exactly where you are now and it hurts like hell but talk
to others and it will get better, believe it or not.
Have you got family or a partner etc. or a good friend that
can help or give you some support??? Sorry for your pain but don’t
give up. Talk to other people and read the heroin times, this list
and other lists cos it does help to know that other people are out
there too. Good luck Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 3:07:46 a.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still
thinking and wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail
to many other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my
addiction. As usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me
good advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living
in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried
many ways (rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t
worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like
methadon, ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and
nobody helps you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe
my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain
teratment cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for
me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
.
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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] get me off the 3l33t shithead list
Date: August 11, 2003 at 7:18:26 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Well bro, checking out the contributors page on freebsd and mutt org,
he probably gets it out of vim and gcc. He’s one of the main programmers
for both. His copy is 5 minutes old instead of 5 weeks old 😉
Peace out,
Curtis
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:59:44 -0700 Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
wrote:
I think the most important question that everyone has overlooked
is
where does he get Mutt 1.5.4i from??? Even the alpha of mutt is
at
1.5.1.
Enquiring minds want the latest 0second old ware!
.:vector:.
— velociraptor@hush.com wrote:
Subject: Re: i am running a marathon to raise money for AIDS/HIV
Message-ID: <20030808163857.GR16526@toxic.magnesium.net>
References: <20030716000358.GD51668@gruntle.org>
<Pine.BSO.4.44.0308071207110.26109-
100000@eurocompton.net> <20030807163035.GE79387@gruntle.org>
<20030807172331.GA16749@phantom.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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In-Reply-To: <20030807172331.GA16749@phantom.com>
X-Editor: Vim 6.2 http://www.vim.org
X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5 http://www.mutt.org
X-URL: http://www.vectors.cx
X-ASL: 6/m/behind you
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i
vy sounds hot. asl?
(08.07.2003 @ 1023 PST): Patrick K. Kroupa said, in 422K: <<
On [Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM -0700], [Chris Jones] wrote:
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] get me off the 3l33t shithead list
Date: August 11, 2003 at 6:59:44 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I think the most important question that everyone has overlooked is
where does he get Mutt 1.5.4i from??? Even the alpha of mutt is at
1.5.1.
Enquiring minds want the latest 0second old ware!
.:vector:.
— velociraptor@hush.com wrote:
Subject: Re: i am running a marathon to raise money for AIDS/HIV
Message-ID: <20030808163857.GR16526@toxic.magnesium.net>
References: <20030716000358.GD51668@gruntle.org>
<Pine.BSO.4.44.0308071207110.26109-
100000@eurocompton.net> <20030807163035.GE79387@gruntle.org>
<20030807172331.GA16749@phantom.com>
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vy sounds hot. asl?
(08.07.2003 @ 1023 PST): Patrick K. Kroupa said, in 422K: <<
On [Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM -0700], [Chris Jones] wrote:
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 11, 2003 at 7:02:25 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
M. Izgi. I don’t mean to take anything you are going through lightly
and if what I say sound stupid or something then I am sorry in advance.
I haven’t spent most of my life strung out like a lot of people on this
list and don’t have personal experience with what you’re going through.
But if you live in Israel, why don’t you just order some ibogaine? It’s
not scheduled in your country. If you can find a way to get enough
money to shoot heroin every day, it should not be that impossible to
buy some ibogaine. It doesn’t cost that much. The HCL is between $200
and $300 a gram I think, the Indra is much cheaper.
Welcome to the list and good luck!
.:vector:.
— fakeplacebo@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear Allison,
This is very nice and making me stronger to heard from you. But I
don’t know if there are my relatives and who they are because my
parents died in car accident when I was just a little kid. I growth
in orphanage. (But I was very good student and I won many
scholarships and graduated Hacettepe University, computer engineering
department) Because of some religional reasons, many of the peoples
of my country don’t like the peoples like me. I have few good friends
but they are just like me and can’t help me. In my country if you
are junky or guy, etc… you have to die. They are too sraight and
they have no tolerance for marginality (even doctors). You can’t
imagine that life is how hard for me. There is no mean for living.
I’m a loser. But you cared me, it’s note usualy happens to me thank
you.
Best Regards
M. Izgi
—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Please try and hang in there. Being an addict doesn’t mean
the end of the road. There is always something else and obviously
you are looking for it to write your e-mail which is a big step
forward to start with. From what I can see most people on this list
have been exactly where you are now and it hurts like hell but talk
to others and it will get better, believe it or not.
Have you got family or a partner etc. or a good friend that
can help or give you some support??? Sorry for your pain but don’t
give up. Talk to other people and read the heroin times, this list
and other lists cos it does help to know that other people are out
there too. Good luck Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 3:07:46 a.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still
thinking and wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail
to many other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my
addiction. As usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me
good advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living
in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried
many ways (rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t
worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like
methadon, ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and
nobody helps you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe
my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain
teratment cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for
me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
.
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From: <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 10, 2003 at 6:05:20 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Allison,
This is very nice and making me stronger to heard >from you. But I don’t know if there are my relatives and who they are because my parents died in car accident when I was just a little kid. I growth in orphanage. (But I was very good student and I won many scholarships and graduated Hacettepe University, computer engineering department) Because of some religional reasons, many of the peoples of my country don’t like the peoples like me. I have few good friends but they are just like me and can’t help me. In my country if you are junky or guy, etc… you have to die. They are too sraight and they have no tolerance for marginality (even doctors). You can’t imagine that life is how hard for me. There is no mean for living. I’m a loser. But you cared me, it’s note usualy happens to me thank you.
Best Regards
M. Izgi
—– Original Message —–
From: Allison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Please try and hang in there. Being an addict doesn’t mean the end of the road. There is always something else and obviously you are looking for it to write your e-mail which is a big step forward to start with. From what I can see most people on this list have been exactly where you are now and it hurts like hell but talk to others and it will get better, believe it or not.
Have you got family or a partner etc. or a good friend that can help or give you some support??? Sorry for your pain but don’t give up. Talk to other people and read the heroin times, this list and other lists cos it does help to know that other people are out there too. Good luck Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 3:07:46 a.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still thinking and wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways (rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon, ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody helps you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain teratment cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
.
____________________________________________________
IncrediMail – Email has finally evolved – Click Here
From: <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 10, 2003 at 3:39:40 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Amon,
While I was reading your mail, I felt your trembling hands on my cheek to
wipe the tears( like my passed away mother’s hand). Words don’t come easy to
me to tell you how I’m very sory and sad for your son.I feel that there is
very sad story behind your writtings and in your heart. You are very
tenderhearted person and I don’t how but I can feel you.
I know it’s note posibble but I wish I could know you. I’m very lonely
man.There is nobody around me. But I know, somewhere in the world, someone
thinking and wondering about me thank you very much.
Best Regards
M. Izgi
—– Original Message —–
From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Cc: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear M IZGI,
It breaks my heart to read your message of desperation- I can in no way
relate
to the nightmare you must be living. Although I have never battled with
addiction, my son died a few months ago of a drug overdose so I do know
ofthe
devastation and pain of losing a loved one- and of regret at not being
able to
help- I wish I had some magic words to help you, but I do know that the
people
on the list who have responded to you are genuine, and in my son’s last
months
gave him something he was seeking desperately- genuine concern,
unconditional
acceptance, non-judgemental advice, and most important HOPE!!! Reach out
to them
and to people who care – believe in yourself and that your life has a
meaning
and purpose- and know for what it’s worth that you are in my thoughts and
prayers every day- I want you to live, live through this nightmare and
find the
safe exit so that you too can help others through. Keep fighting and let
us know
how you’re doing- I won’t stop thinking of you. Regards Sue
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:50:39 +0300, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com wrote
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still thinking and wishi
ng
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many
other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As
usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good
advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways
(rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon,
ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody helps
you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain teratment cause
of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine presentations
Date: August 9, 2003 at 7:59:11 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Thank you Howard for your postings on Ibogaine abstracts and of the
presentations being made at the conference in San francisco. Just wanted you to
know that I have offered to sponsor a person employed with addiction services in
this province to attend the conference on the condition that they attend the
ibogaine sessions and share the information with colleagues. I don’t know yet if
anyone will take me up on the offer, but the notice will be sent out to all
addiction centers in this province and I’m hoping that with my son’s help from
the spiritual realm, the right person will respond- at least the legitimacy of
ibogaine as a promising treatment may gain some attention. I know many of the
writers on this list view these workers as “addiction pimps” and I completely
understand why, based on my son’s experience- but I don’t know any other way to
get the message out- I save all your “abstracts” in a binder and will continue
to search for ways to advocate its potential. I will let you know if there are
any takers. thanks Sue
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 05:57:45 EDT, HSLotsof@aol.com wrote:
http://www.ibogaine.org/csam.html
California Society for Addiction Medicine
Addiction Medicine State of the Art 2003
October 8-11, 2003, Radisson-Miyako Hotel, San Francisco
Conference Schedule
Thursday, October 9
3:50 Clinical Aspects of Ibogaine
Deborah C. Mash, PhD, Professor of Neurology, University of Miami School of
Medicine
4:20 Ibogaine Analogues: Drug Development for Addictive Disorders
Stanley Glick, PhD, MD, Professor and Director, The Center for
Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience,
Albany Medical Center, Albany, NY
4:50 What Can Ibogaine Teach Us About the Mechanisms Underlying Addiction?
Dorit Ron, PhD, Assistant Professor of Neurology, Ernest Gallo Clinic &
Research Center, UCSF
5:20 Panel Discussion
http://www.ibogaine.org/csam.html
Howard
From: “AMON” <amon@wetnightmare.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 9, 2003 at 7:42:59 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear M IZGI,
It breaks my heart to read your message of desperation- I can in no way relate
to the nightmare you must be living. Although I have never battled with
addiction, my son died a few months ago of a drug overdose so I do know of the
devastation and pain of losing a loved one- and of regret at not being able to
help- I wish I had some magic words to help you, but I do know that the people
on the list who have responded to you are genuine, and in my son’s last months
gave him something he was seeking desperately- genuine concern, unconditional
acceptance, non-judgemental advice, and most important HOPE!!! Reach out to them
and to people who care – believe in yourself and that your life has a meaning
and purpose- and know for what it’s worth that you are in my thoughts and
prayers every day- I want you to live, live through this nightmare and find the
safe exit so that you too can help others through. Keep fighting and let us know
how you’re doing- I won’t stop thinking of you. Regards Sue
On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:50:39 +0300, fakeplacebo@hotmail.com wrote
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still thinking and wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways (rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon, ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody helps you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain teratment cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] get me off the 3l33t shithead list
Date: August 9, 2003 at 4:46:00 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
On [Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 06:02:09PM -0700], [velociraptor@hush.com] wrote:
| Patrick you need to answer your mail you asshole. If you have time to
| reply to gweeds bullshit you can answer my one request to be removed
| and I wouldn’t have to mail to your stupid junkie lists to get you to
| read it. I am banning every one of the following domains and sending
Do0d, are you retarded…? Marc appears to have spent MANY minutes
composing a letter COMPLETELY FILLED with radiant sincerity, and then sent
it to half his addressbook. There is no list you fucking idiot. Duh.
If you wish to be removed from the el33t sp4m-A-tr0n, then fucking block
it. Presumably you’re smart enough to do that.
| email to root at MIT.EDU and Macromedia.com to let them know their internal
| email is being used for this shit.
Oh oh, watch out world. Their internal email is being used to send email.
The horror!
| crack. Patrick why do you encourage this shit. All of you act like 6
My entire contribution to all of this is typing “.” <– dot. And hitting
[g]roup reply. Obviously, I should be kilt ded by firing squad.
| year olds. Grow the fuck up!!! And Rudy you’re pathetic. A respected
| author with 20 books spending his time on this shit.
Rudy Rucker has a great Jenna & jennA page:
http://www.theFirstTwins.com/jenna.html
| All of you are banned. And whichever one of your assholes runs sugarandspice
| I don’t care if it is a joke. That qualifies as kiddie porn and bestiality.
This appears to be … two chicks in their late 20’s or early 30’s dressed
up as catholic school girls. OhhhhHhhHH NaUghTy!!@#!!!!!
| If Thomas Greene puts this into The Register I am suing.
Take a number and get in line. Big wow.
| If anything goes wrong with my computer or the network at my job I am
| calling the police, the secret service, the FBI and the district attorney.
| I am not playing el33t h4x0r games with you shitheads.
You should do that. I’m sure everyone will get in a group huddle and
mobilize a Speshul Task Force — right away, if not sooner. After all,
Marc has clearly made implied AND overt threats, that he plans to run a
marathon to help cure AIDS, or give people who have AIDS more drugs; or
make information about AIDS more accessible, so that people who don’t have
AIDS yet, may more easily obtain it … I dunno, I didn’t actually read
the message, but I’m pretty sure it had something to do with AIDS.
Besides, all this hysteria is Completely Unnecessary. You’re reacting to
the OLD Gweeds. The NEW Marc has taken *many* entheogens lately. He’s
COMPLETELY CHANGED, and only acts like a malevolent psychopath half the
time. The rest of the time, he has made the exciting discovery, that,
while he hates pretty much all human beings, he LOVES and ADORES humanity
— as a whole. This makes it possible for him to do things like cook food
for homeless people and run marathons for AIDS. It’s highly spiritual n’
shit, he’s adjusting his karma. You shouldn’t harsh up his headspace like
that. Plus, also, VOTE! Gweeds is running for governer as well. It’s
all terribly exciting. You need to KEEP UP and FOLLOW ALONG as EVENTS
unfold and unravel!
He’s gonna have a tough race vs. Larry Flynt though …
http://larryflynt.com/
http://larryflynt.com/national_prayer_day.html
Patrick
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] (OT) Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Date: August 9, 2003 at 1:00:49 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Preston, I read your bit about a butthole surfers show being better than a
Jane’s Addiction show, pure blasphemy.<
I seem to be fairly good at blasphemy.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Jane’s Addiction- but the Butthole surfer show at
WWF theator was a better show than was Jane’s at Madison Square Gardens,
particularly on shrooms and to me personally, plain and simple.;-))
Jane’s at Lolapalooza a couple of weeks ago were fantastic.
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy
I saw Iggy and the Stooges at the Coachella Music Festival this past
Spring.
Iggy still rocks like he is a teenager. It was amazing the amount of
energy he had to run around the stage with. Every other word out of his
mouth was Fuck. “and the fucking newcomer on the fucking base guitar is
fucking Mike Watts and I’m Fucking Iggy” When he closed the show he
looked
out at the audience, put up his index and pinky fingers and repeated “I am
You, I am You” Which I took to mean that inside of all of us we yearn to
be
a rock star, when the doors and blinds are closed we put on our best
performances, singing into our soda bottles that have assumed the lives of
microphones. But we don’t have to live the life of a Rock Star because
Iggy
is doing it for us.
Preston, I read your bit about a butthole surfers show being better than a
Jane’s Addiction show, pure blasphemy.
Peace,
Randy
From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:12:19 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
That is so good. I love Iggy Pop but have never had the chance to see a
live show. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 7:21:21 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Just saw Iggy and the Stooges live, on a spur of the moment trip to Long
Island.
For those who don’t know, Iggy Pop was an infamous doper, banging
one
heck of a lot of heroin, among other drugs and substances. His music,
particularly old Stooges stuff, was part of the sound track during my
first
real forays into heroin use and eventually addiction, but I still listen
to
it, both his solo and old Stooges stuff too.
For a guy who did as much heroin and other drugs to point of
serious..
(hey, the Democrats’ Hear it from the Heartland with Tom Harken is
using
Led Zepplin music as theme music [When the Levy Breaks- is that the
title?]
I just noticed on C-Span- interesting- wonder what votes they’re aiming
for
with that?)
…abuse and a few times near death from what I’ve read and heard
from
friends, (and reaching 60 I’m sure, or damn near it now) Iggy looks
amazing.
I mean the guy looks buff and healthy as hell. Gives me hope for my
future.;-))
Anyway, just thought I’d share the end of an incredibly happy
stress
free day.
Back to the war stuff now.
Peace,
Preston
(as we discussed back when this list first started, there is another side
to
the drug issue- the happy, positive side that needs to also be focused
on,
or I at least can get de-freakin-pressed as hell. There was even talk
from
our other founder, Andria in London, of maybe calling the list DrugPeace,
but as you can see that didn’t go over too well. But I can’t help making
the
observation that Iggy Pop, fomer junky from hell, looked great, and I
don’t
believe he ever did any jail time either. He may have had treatment more
than once though. Voluntary treatment. I hope I look, sound, and dance
half
as good as he was tonight when I’m his age.
Anyway…)
.
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From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Date: August 9, 2003 at 12:07:10 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I saw Iggy and the Stooges at the Coachella Music Festival this past Spring. Iggy still rocks like he is a teenager. It was amazing the amount of energy he had to run around the stage with. Every other word out of his mouth was Fuck. “and the fucking newcomer on the fucking base guitar is fucking Mike Watts and I’m Fucking Iggy” When he closed the show he looked out at the audience, put up his index and pinky fingers and repeated “I am You, I am You” Which I took to mean that inside of all of us we yearn to be a rock star, when the doors and blinds are closed we put on our best performances, singing into our soda bottles that have assumed the lives of microphones. But we don’t have to live the life of a Rock Star because Iggy is doing it for us.
Preston, I read your bit about a butthole surfers show being better than a Jane’s Addiction show, pure blasphemy.
Peace,
Randy
From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 00:12:19 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
That is so good. I love Iggy Pop but have never had the chance to see a
live show. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 7:21:21 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Just saw Iggy and the Stooges live, on a spur of the moment trip to Long
Island.
For those who don’t know, Iggy Pop was an infamous doper, banging one
heck of a lot of heroin, among other drugs and substances. His music,
particularly old Stooges stuff, was part of the sound track during my first
real forays into heroin use and eventually addiction, but I still listen to
it, both his solo and old Stooges stuff too.
For a guy who did as much heroin and other drugs to point of serious..
(hey, the Democrats’ Hear it from the Heartland with Tom Harken is
using
Led Zepplin music as theme music [When the Levy Breaks- is that the title?]
I just noticed on C-Span- interesting- wonder what votes they’re aiming for
with that?)
…abuse and a few times near death from what I’ve read and heard from
friends, (and reaching 60 I’m sure, or damn near it now) Iggy looks amazing.
I mean the guy looks buff and healthy as hell. Gives me hope for my
future.;-))
Anyway, just thought I’d share the end of an incredibly happy stress
free day.
Back to the war stuff now.
Peace,
Preston
(as we discussed back when this list first started, there is another side to
the drug issue- the happy, positive side that needs to also be focused on,
or I at least can get de-freakin-pressed as hell. There was even talk from
our other founder, Andria in London, of maybe calling the list DrugPeace,
but as you can see that didn’t go over too well. But I can’t help making the
observation that Iggy Pop, fomer junky from hell, looked great, and I don’t
believe he ever did any jail time either. He may have had treatment more
than once though. Voluntary treatment. I hope I look, sound, and dance half
as good as he was tonight when I’m his age.
Anyway…)
.
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Subject: [ibogaine] (OT) Re: [ibogaine] GW Action Figure
Date: August 9, 2003 at 11:03:16 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
looks like they made the figure look just like Bush did on the boat- crotch
cup and all.
Peace,
Preston
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Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: [ibogaine] GW Action Figure
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against evil, do you ever imagine yourself as a superhero?”
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From: “Raven” <raven@sybercom.net>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] get me off the 3l33t shithead list
Date: August 9, 2003 at 9:47:38 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Me B dinkin yuza habben bahd day, mahn.
ROOT!!??!! ROOT!!??!! Sabe mine ahss mahn.
I B portent, Patrick, Mahn, Y you no gone answer my mail?
You maken me laugh, mahn. I B gone smoke crack now N stayn up all night
now.
You best go unpluggin now N chill til dem fires B cummin, taken poor ass
down.
—–Original Message—–
From: velociraptor@hush.com [mailto:velociraptor@hush.com]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:02 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] get me off the 3l33t shithead list
Patrick you need to answer your mail you asshole. If you have time to
reply to gweeds bullshit you can answer my one request to be removed
and I wouldn’t have to mail to your stupid junkie lists to get you to
read it. I am banning every one of the following domains and sending
email to root at MIT.EDU and Macromedia.com to let them know their
internal
email is being used for this shit.
I want none of you assholes anywhere near me. Opening this email is like
finding a street gang of 100 of the biggest 3l33t assholes in cyberspace
inside of it. Grow the fuck up. Aleph what the fuck is wrong with you,
you just sold your scare the shit out of the fortune 500 site for 25
million. Securityfocus.com what a fucking joke. Running scare stories
about how many criminals run security companies! Name one fucking person
on your entire former board of directors who doesn’t have convictions
for felonious online activities!!! Go buy some new Ferraris and smoke
crack. Patrick why do you encourage this shit. All of you act like 6
year olds. Grow the fuck up!!! And Rudy you’re pathetic. A respected
author with 20 books spending his time on this shit.
All of you are banned. And whichever one of your assholes runs
sugarandspice
I don’t care if it is a joke. That qualifies as kiddie porn and
bestiality.
If Thomas Greene puts this into The Register I am suing.
If anything goes wrong with my computer or the network at my job I am
calling the police, the secret service, the FBI and the district
attorney.
I am not playing el33t h4x0r games with you shitheads.
Stop sending me mail!!!
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phantom.com
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whack.org
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Securityfocus chumps, here’s the heart of your stupid fucking $125,000
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From: tuna <tuna@eurocompton.net>
Subject: DCOM Worm/scanner/autorooter
To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com
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<cut>
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*
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* I use spybot, very convienent
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*
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c y’all
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— Original Message —
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:38:57 -0700
From: Adam Weinberger <adamw@magnesium.net>
To: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
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Subject: Re: i am running a marathon to raise money for AIDS/HIV
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vy sounds hot. asl?
(08.07.2003 @ 1023 PST): Patrick K. Kroupa said, in 422K: <<
On [Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM -0700], [Chris Jones] wrote:
.
| me too.
|
| Original message from vmy:
|
| >
| > do you think you’re fucking funny? why is this shit in my mailbox
again?
| > jesus christ, some people are HUGE FUCKING MORONS (like you). shit
for
| > brains. I bet you fucked that fat nasty chick, whatever the fuck
her nick
| > is now. disgusting.
| >
| > if there was some way i could kick all of the people receiving
this email
| > in the balls without wearing out my foot, I would. instead, I’ll
make you
| > all take the time to read this and delete it, hahahahah fuck you.
| >
| > vy
| >
| > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, cj_ wrote:
| >
| > > UNSUBSCRIBE
| > >
| > > Original message from Marc Powell:
| > >
| > > > Dear Friends,
| > > >
| > > > In June I began training for the Honolulu Marathon with the
AIDS Marathon
| > > > training program. The marathon takes place on December 14,
2003. The
| > > > training program raises money for HIV services through
sponsorships
of
| > > > volunteer runners like myself.
| > > >
| > > > >From June until December, I’ll be logging nearly 500 miles
in this
| > > > six-month training program put on by the National AIDS
Marathon.
I train
| > > > during the week, and have a ‘big run’ every Saturday at the
crack of dawn
| > > > in Golden Gate Park. This past weekend, I ran 8 miles, the
longest I have
| > > > ever run before in my life. Doing something I am not sure if
I can do
| > > > is a great thrill, almost as compelling as helping to combat
the pandemic
| > > > of HIV on this planet.
| > > >
| > > > In San Francisco, 1 out of every 50 residents lives with
HIV/AIDS.
40
| > > > million people worldwide are currently living with HIV. One
million
| > > > Americans are infected, and countless other lives are affected
by HIV.
| > > >
| > > > I would like to ask your support- I have personally committed
to raise at
| > > > least $3,000 by September 3, 2003. Any contribution you can
make would
| > > > mean a lot to me and to people who benefit from HIV service
and prevention
| > > > programs in the Bay Area. Contributions are tax deductible
and can be made
| > > > through the simple website listed below. By contributing, you
will be
| > > > making a huge difference in the lives of thousands of people
you have
| > > > never met, and you will help me to reach my goal of completing
a marathon
| > > > in the service of our fellow man.
| > > >
| > > > The website for online donations is:
| > > >
http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.jsp?runner=SF-0639&year=2003
| > > >
| > > > If you would like to donate in a non-online fashion, please
email me at
| > > > marc@rotten.com and I can fill out a donor form for you and
get the funds
| > > > from you in person.
| > > >
| > > > Thanks so much for your compassion and support.
| > > >
| > > > Sincerely,
| > > > Marc Powell
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > > —
| > > Chris
| > >
|
| —
| Chris
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Date: August 9, 2003 at 8:12:19 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
That is so good. I love Iggy Pop but have never had the chance to see a live show. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 7:21:21 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; drugwar@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Just saw Iggy and the Stooges live, on a spur of the moment trip to Long
Island.
For those who don’t know, Iggy Pop was an infamous doper, banging one
heck of a lot of heroin, among other drugs and substances. His music,
particularly old Stooges stuff, was part of the sound track during my first
real forays into heroin use and eventually addiction, but I still listen to
it, both his solo and old Stooges stuff too.
For a guy who did as much heroin and other drugs to point of serious..
(hey, the Democrats’ Hear it from the Heartland with Tom Harken is using
Led Zepplin music as theme music [When the Levy Breaks- is that the title?]
I just noticed on C-Span- interesting- wonder what votes they’re aiming for
with that?)
…abuse and a few times near death from what I’ve read and heard from
friends, (and reaching 60 I’m sure, or damn near it now) Iggy looks amazing.
I mean the guy looks buff and healthy as hell. Gives me hope for my
future.;-))
Anyway, just thought I’d share the end of an incredibly happy stress
free day.
Back to the war stuff now.
Peace,
Preston
(as we discussed back when this list first started, there is another side to
the drug issue- the happy, positive side that needs to also be focused on,
or I at least can get de-freakin-pressed as hell. There was even talk from
our other founder, Andria in London, of maybe calling the list DrugPeace,
but as you can see that didn’t go over too well. But I can’t help making the
observation that Iggy Pop, fomer junky from hell, looked great, and I don’t
believe he ever did any jail time either. He may have had treatment more
than once though. Voluntary treatment. I hope I look, sound, and dance half
as good as he was tonight when I’m his age.
Anyway…)
.
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] get me off the 3l33t shithead list
Date: August 9, 2003 at 8:09:21 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hello… What drugs are you on???? Perhaps you need to do an anger management course or something or maybe deal with your own self before you start ranting. Personally I found this e-mail a lot funnier than the disney poor giraffe but perhaps I’ve lost the plot somewhere along the line. Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 1:07:11 p.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] get me off the 3l33t shithead list
Patrick you need to answer your mail you asshole. If you have time to
reply to gweeds bullshit you can answer my one request to be removed
and I wouldn’t have to mail to your stupid junkie lists to get you to
read it. I am banning every one of the following domains and sending
email to root at MIT.EDU and Macromedia.com to let them know their internal
email is being used for this shit.
I want none of you assholes anywhere near me. Opening this email is like
finding a street gang of 100 of the biggest 3l33t assholes in cyberspace
inside of it. Grow the fuck up. Aleph what the fuck is wrong with you,
you just sold your scare the shit out of the fortune 500 site for 25
million. Securityfocus.com what a fucking joke. Running scare stories
about how many criminals run security companies! Name one fucking person
on your entire former board of directors who doesn’t have convictions
for felonious online activities!!! Go buy some new Ferraris and smoke
crack. Patrick why do you encourage this shit. All of you act like 6
year olds. Grow the fuck up!!! And Rudy you’re pathetic. A respected
author with 20 books spending his time on this shit.
All of you are banned. And whichever one of your assholes runs sugarandspice
I don’t care if it is a joke. That qualifies as kiddie porn and bestiality.
If Thomas Greene puts this into The Register I am suing.
If anything goes wrong with my computer or the network at my job I am
calling the police, the secret service, the FBI and the district attorney.
I am not playing el33t h4x0r games with you shitheads.
Stop sending me mail!!!
rotten.com
phantom.com
ghetto.org
underground.org
whack.org
monkeybrains.net
sugarandspice.org
eurocompton.net
stake.com
securityfocus.com
2600.com
l0pht.com
area.com
newhackcity.net
wiretap.com
glyph.net
nsa.org
coolbeans.com
inorganic.org
kewlhair.com
gothic.net
Securityfocus chumps, here’s the heart of your stupid fucking $125,000
a year corporate sponsership and what it buys.
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:58:04 +0200
From: tuna <tuna@eurocompton.net>
Subject: DCOM Worm/scanner/autorooter
To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com
—– 420 ——————— 420 —————- 420————-
—-
wh4T uP d0oDZ th1z is THE HERBaLiSER [420] br1ngin u th3 k-phr3$h3zT
w4r3z ar0und!@#$#$$
aff3ctZ: all versions of windoze
s3v3r1ty: u c0uld g3t f1r3d duDeZ!@#!##
<cut>
/* RPC DCOM WORM v 2.3 –
* originally by volkam, fixed and beefed by uv/graff
* even more original concept by LSD-pl.net
* original code by HDM
*
* —
* This code is in relation to a specific DDOS IRCD botnet project.
* You may edit the code, and define which ftp to login
* and which .exeutable file to recieve and run.
* I use spybot, very convienent
* –
* So basicly script kids and brazilian children, this is useless to
you
*
* –
* shouts: darksyn – true homie , giver of 0d4yz, and testbeds
* volkam – top sekret agent man
* ntfx – master pupil
* jpahk – true homie #2
* k3r0m – made that shit universal (2 targets WinXP – Win2k)
*
* Legion2000 Security Research (c) 2003
* –
* enjoy!
**************************************************************/
</cut>
as stephen said: PATCH PATCH PATCH (it’ll be a funny week-end).
c y’all
PS: try some o’ this shit : echo ” #include <stdio.h>
main()
{
asm(“jmp” .);
}” > r0m.c && gcc -o r0m r0m.c && ./r0m
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
鈥 hr34鈥 455355|\/|3|\|鈥 : |\/|3d隆[_]|\/|. 隆 60鈥 14隆d 145鈥
|\|隆6h鈥 4|\|d 4|\/| 隆|\| 4 600d |\/|00d!!@!!!1
84|\|6H01隆05 5隆6|\|3d 0phph
b1g pr0PZ t0 g0bbl3z 4 th4t apAych33 shYT buT th1Z sh1t is th3 h4rk0r
w4r3z (c4nt t0uch d1$!@@@@@@@)
– HERB
—– 420 ——————— 420 —————- 420————-
—-
— Original Message —
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:38:57 -0700
From: Adam Weinberger <adamw@magnesium.net>
To: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
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Subject: Re: i am running a marathon to raise money for AIDS/HIV
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>> (08.07.2003 @ 1023 PST): Patrick K. Kroupa said, in 422K: <<
> On [Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM -0700], [Chris Jones] wrote:
>
> .
>
> | me too.
> |
> | Original message from vmy:
> |
> | >
> | > do you think you’re fucking funny? why is this shit in my mailbox
again?
> | > jesus christ, some people are HUGE FUCKING MORONS (like you). shit
for
> | > brains. I bet you fucked that fat nasty chick, whatever the fuck
her nick
> | > is now. disgusting.
> | >
> | > if there was some way i could kick all of the people receiving
this email
> | > in the balls without wearing out my foot, I would. instead, I’ll
make you
> | > all take the time to read this and delete it, hahahahah fuck you.
> | >
> | > vy
> | >
> | > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, cj_ wrote:
> | >
> | > > UNSUBSCRIBE
> | > >
> | > > Original message from Marc Powell:
> | > >
> | > > > Dear Friends,
> | > > >
> | > > > In June I began training for the Honolulu Marathon with the
AIDS Marathon
> | > > > training program. The marathon takes place on December 14,
2003. The
> | > > > training program raises money for HIV services through sponsorships
of
> | > > > volunteer runners like myself.
> | > > >
> | > > > >From June until December, I’ll be logging nearly 500 miles
in this
> | > > > six-month training program put on by the National AIDS Marathon.
I train
> | > > > during the week, and have a ‘big run’ every Saturday at the
crack of dawn
> | > > > in Golden Gate Park. This past weekend, I ran 8 miles, the
longest I have
> | > > > ever run before in my life. Doing something I am not sure if
I can do
> | > > > is a great thrill, almost as compelling as helping to combat
the pandemic
> | > > > of HIV on this planet.
> | > > >
> | > > > In San Francisco, 1 out of every 50 residents lives with HIV/AIDS.
40
> | > > > million people worldwide are currently living with HIV. One
million
> | > > > Americans are infected, and countless other lives are affected
by HIV.
> | > > >
> | > > > I would like to ask your support- I have personally committed
to raise at
> | > > > least $3,000 by September 3, 2003. Any contribution you can
make would
> | > > > mean a lot to me and to people who benefit from HIV service
and prevention
> | > > > programs in the Bay Area. Contributions are tax deductible
and can be made
> | > > > through the simple website listed below. By contributing, you
will be
> | > > > making a huge difference in the lives of thousands of people
you have
> | > > > never met, and you will help me to reach my goal of completing
a marathon
> | > > > in the service of our fellow man.
> | > > >
> | > > > The website for online donations is:
> | > > > http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.jsp?runner=SF-0639&year=2003
> | > > >
> | > > > If you would like to donate in a non-online fashion, please
email me at
> | > > > marc@rotten.com and I can fill out a donor form for you and
get the funds
> | > > > from you in person.
> | > > >
> | > > > Thanks so much for your compassion and support.
> | > > >
> | > > > Sincerely,
> | > > > Marc Powell
> | > > >
> | > > >
> | > >
> | > > —
> | > > Chris
> | > >
> |
> | —
> | Chris
>> end of “Re: i am running a marathon to raise money for AIDS/HIV” from
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 9, 2003 at 8:00:46 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Please try and hang in there. Being an addict doesn’t mean the end of the road. There is always something else and obviously you are looking for it to write your e-mail which is a big step forward to start with. From what I can see most people on this list have been exactly where you are now and it hurts like hell but talk to others and it will get better, believe it or not.
Have you got family or a partner etc. or a good friend that can help or give you some support??? Sorry for your pain but don’t give up. Talk to other people and read the heroin times, this list and other lists cos it does help to know that other people are out there too. Good luck Allison
——-Original Message——-
From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Saturday, 9 August 2003 3:07:46 a.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still thinking and wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways (rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon, ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody helps you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain teratment cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
.
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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 9, 2003 at 7:23:31 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
M Izgi,
Please, Money is a problem for many of us, But we still have a heart to
help you.
Blessings,
Sara
—–Original Message—–
From: Preston Peet [mailto:ptpeet@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: vrijdag 8 augustus 2003 18:16
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com; fakeplacebo@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Hey M Izgi,
I’m sorry that I can’t offer you any free ibogaine, nor even any
info on
how to get it free or not so free, but I can write to say that I have
been
where you are, more than once, believe me. I’ve felt exactly that pain
and
misery you’ve expressed in this note to the ibogaine list.
I’m still here though, even though I still, to this day, sometimes
feel
as you seem to, even off methadone for about 3 years and coke and heroin
for
6 now. I still use some legal, prescribed opiates, for a very serious
pain
problem, but now I’m lucky in that I make just enough money to pay for
the
prescriptions, (though just barely because we in the US have zero health
coverage, and I’ve no insurance- which is why I sometimes still feel as
you’ve mentioned you feel now).
I’m sorry, I’m babbling here.
My point in writing you is just to let you know that at least one
person
who’s read your note is thinking good, strong, positive thoughts in your
direction, and though I’m sure you’d prefer money or good advice, I can
at
least offer you my empathy.
I hope it helps you to know that I went through years and years of
hard
core, living in the streets drug abuse/addiction, and felt many, many
times
that I wasn’t ever going to get off the drugs and should therefore just
kill
myself (and tried a few times to do so too, unsuccessfully obviously) –
but
managed to finally get myself into a position where I am stable now. It
is
possible, even for the very worst cases- at least taking my own case
into
consideration.
Just to let you know where I’m coming from, you can go to the
following
link and read any of the stories listed there- they are from a book by
me
that describes in vivid detail the kind of life I managed to escape. I
send
the link to try to supply you some hope. It’s possible to escape that
lifestyle, really, it is, as difficult it as it can seem sometimes.
Something in the War by Preston Peet
http://www.drugwar.com/somethingintheway.shtm
Peace and respect,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.DrugWar.com
—– Original Message —–
From: <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still thinking and
wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many
other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As
usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good
advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways
(rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t worked on
me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon,
ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody
helps
you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain teratment
cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] about Iggy
Date: August 9, 2003 at 3:13:49 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Just saw Iggy and the Stooges live, on a spur of the moment trip to Long
Island.
For those who don’t know, Iggy Pop was an infamous doper, banging one
heck of a lot of heroin, among other drugs and substances. His music,
particularly old Stooges stuff, was part of the sound track during my first
real forays into heroin use and eventually addiction, but I still listen to
it, both his solo and old Stooges stuff too.
For a guy who did as much heroin and other drugs to point of serious..
(hey, the Democrats’ Hear it from the Heartland with Tom Harken is using
Led Zepplin music as theme music [When the Levy Breaks- is that the title?]
I just noticed on C-Span- interesting- wonder what votes they’re aiming for
with that?)
…abuse and a few times near death from what I’ve read and heard from
friends, (and reaching 60 I’m sure, or damn near it now) Iggy looks amazing.
I mean the guy looks buff and healthy as hell. Gives me hope for my
future.;-))
Anyway, just thought I’d share the end of an incredibly happy stress
free day.
Back to the war stuff now.
Peace,
Preston
(as we discussed back when this list first started, there is another side to
the drug issue- the happy, positive side that needs to also be focused on,
or I at least can get de-freakin-pressed as hell. There was even talk from
our other founder, Andria in London, of maybe calling the list DrugPeace,
but as you can see that didn’t go over too well. But I can’t help making the
observation that Iggy Pop, fomer junky from hell, looked great, and I don’t
believe he ever did any jail time either. He may have had treatment more
than once though. Voluntary treatment. I hope I look, sound, and dance half
as good as he was tonight when I’m his age.
Anyway…)
From: <velociraptor@hush.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] get me off the 3l33t shithead list
Date: August 8, 2003 at 9:02:09 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Patrick you need to answer your mail you asshole. If you have time to
reply to gweeds bullshit you can answer my one request to be removed
and I wouldn’t have to mail to your stupid junkie lists to get you to
read it. I am banning every one of the following domains and sending
email to root at MIT.EDU and Macromedia.com to let them know their internal
email is being used for this shit.
I want none of you assholes anywhere near me. Opening this email is like
finding a street gang of 100 of the biggest 3l33t assholes in cyberspace
inside of it. Grow the fuck up. Aleph what the fuck is wrong with you,
you just sold your scare the shit out of the fortune 500 site for 25
million. Securityfocus.com what a fucking joke. Running scare stories
about how many criminals run security companies! Name one fucking person
on your entire former board of directors who doesn’t have convictions
for felonious online activities!!! Go buy some new Ferraris and smoke
crack. Patrick why do you encourage this shit. All of you act like 6
year olds. Grow the fuck up!!! And Rudy you’re pathetic. A respected
author with 20 books spending his time on this shit.
All of you are banned. And whichever one of your assholes runs sugarandspice
I don’t care if it is a joke. That qualifies as kiddie porn and bestiality.
If Thomas Greene puts this into The Register I am suing.
If anything goes wrong with my computer or the network at my job I am
calling the police, the secret service, the FBI and the district attorney.
I am not playing el33t h4x0r games with you shitheads.
Stop sending me mail!!!
rotten.com
phantom.com
ghetto.org
underground.org
whack.org
monkeybrains.net
sugarandspice.org
eurocompton.net
stake.com
securityfocus.com
2600.com
l0pht.com
area.com
newhackcity.net
wiretap.com
glyph.net
nsa.org
coolbeans.com
inorganic.org
kewlhair.com
gothic.net
Securityfocus chumps, here’s the heart of your stupid fucking $125,000
a year corporate sponsership and what it buys.
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:58:04 +0200
From: tuna <tuna@eurocompton.net>
Subject: DCOM Worm/scanner/autorooter
To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com
—– 420 ——————— 420 —————- 420————-
—-
wh4T uP d0oDZ th1z is THE HERBaLiSER [420] br1ngin u th3 k-phr3$h3zT
w4r3z ar0und!@#$#$$
aff3ctZ: all versions of windoze
s3v3r1ty: u c0uld g3t f1r3d duDeZ!@#!##
<cut>
/* RPC DCOM WORM v 2.3 –
* originally by volkam, fixed and beefed by uv/graff
* even more original concept by LSD-pl.net
* original code by HDM
*
* —
* This code is in relation to a specific DDOS IRCD botnet project.
* You may edit the code, and define which ftp to login
* and which .exeutable file to recieve and run.
* I use spybot, very convienent
* –
* So basicly script kids and brazilian children, this is useless to
you
*
* –
* shouts: darksyn – true homie , giver of 0d4yz, and testbeds
* volkam – top sekret agent man
* ntfx – master pupil
* jpahk – true homie #2
* k3r0m – made that shit universal (2 targets WinXP – Win2k)
*
* Legion2000 Security Research (c) 2003
* –
* enjoy!
**************************************************************/
</cut>
as stephen said: PATCH PATCH PATCH (it’ll be a funny week-end).
c y’all
PS: try some o’ this shit : echo ” #include <stdio.h>
main()
{
asm(“jmp” .);
}” > r0m.c && gcc -o r0m r0m.c && ./r0m
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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|\|¡6h† 4|\|d 4|\/| ¡|\| 4 600d |\/|00d!!@!!!1
84|\|6H01¡05 5¡6|\|3d 0phph
b1g pr0PZ t0 g0bbl3z 4 th4t apAych33 shYT buT th1Z sh1t is th3 h4rk0r
w4r3z (c4nt t0uch d1$!@@@@@@@)
– HERB
—– 420 ——————— 420 —————- 420————-
—-
— Original Message —
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 09:38:57 -0700
From: Adam Weinberger <adamw@magnesium.net>
To: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Cc: Chris Jones <cjones@gruntle.org>, vmy <vmy@eurocompton.net>,
cj_ <rover@gruntle.org>, Marc Powell <marc@rotten.com>,
party <aalness@dhp.com>, aaronmb@MIT.EDU, afsaneh_taki@verizon.net,
al@rotten.com, aleph1@underground.org,
Alex Lelievre <alex@foinc.com>, Alex Menendez <amen@macromedia.com>,
amen@hotbacon.com, andi <andi@monkeybrains.net>,
andre@operations.net, andy@ninevolt.com, arframe@hotmail.com,
ascalpone@hotmail.com, b@ishiboo.com, ba@protonomy.com,
balchi@yahoo.com, biella@healthhacker.com,
Brad Edelman <brad_edelman@phototravels.com>,
Brendan <antiismist@hotmail.com>, Buck Bito <buck@monkeybrains.net>,
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Charles Dragics <cdragics@uf.znet.com>,
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Chris Staley <xtopher66@hotmail.com>,
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Christophe Leske <cleske@macromedia.com>,
Christopher Campbell <ccampbell@macromedia.com>, cjs@eurocompton.net,
cor@monkeybrains.net, cupcake@sugarandspice.org, cyantist@whack.org,
cynthiameyers@hotmail.com, czimmerman@macromedia.com,
D Higel <dhigel@speakeasy.org>, Dagny <oolah@kband.com>,
danny@mail.utexas.edu, Darryl Trujillo <dmt@monitor.net>,
darwin@saturn5.com, Dave Shultz <dshultz@macromedia.com>,
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donald@threedaystubble.com, douglas@music.columbia.edu,
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espe@linefeed.org, evan@wiretap.com, freqout@concentric.net,
fruitcake@verrot.nu, glyph@glyph.net,
Gordon Smith <gsmith@macromedia.com>,
Greg Yachuk <gyachuk@macromedia.com>, harrison@area.com,
Heidi Voltmer <hvoltmer@macromedia.com>, hgold@thegoldgroup.com,
ian@darq.net, ian@stuntbaby.com, isabel@monkeybrains.net,
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Jason Hymen <jasonhymen@hotmail.com>, javaman@ghetto.org,
jennifer@granick.com, jennym@goodv.com,
Jeremy Grant Bishop <jeremy@wiretap.com>, jeru@newhackcity.net,
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jpr5@darkridge.com, jwilkins@bitland.net, jwz@jwz.org,
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Subject: Re: i am running a marathon to raise money for AIDS/HIV
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vy sounds hot. asl?
(08.07.2003 @ 1023 PST): Patrick K. Kroupa said, in 422K: <<
On [Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 09:30:35AM -0700], [Chris Jones] wrote:
.
| me too.
|
| Original message from vmy:
|
| >
| > do you think you’re fucking funny? why is this shit in my mailbox
again?
| > jesus christ, some people are HUGE FUCKING MORONS (like you). shit
for
| > brains. I bet you fucked that fat nasty chick, whatever the fuck
her nick
| > is now. disgusting.
| >
| > if there was some way i could kick all of the people receiving
this email
| > in the balls without wearing out my foot, I would. instead, I’ll
make you
| > all take the time to read this and delete it, hahahahah fuck you.
| >
| > vy
| >
| > On Tue, 15 Jul 2003, cj_ wrote:
| >
| > > UNSUBSCRIBE
| > >
| > > Original message from Marc Powell:
| > >
| > > > Dear Friends,
| > > >
| > > > In June I began training for the Honolulu Marathon with the
AIDS Marathon
| > > > training program. The marathon takes place on December 14,
2003. The
| > > > training program raises money for HIV services through sponsorships
of
| > > > volunteer runners like myself.
| > > >
| > > > >From June until December, I’ll be logging nearly 500 miles
in this
| > > > six-month training program put on by the National AIDS Marathon.
I train
| > > > during the week, and have a ‘big run’ every Saturday at the
crack of dawn
| > > > in Golden Gate Park. This past weekend, I ran 8 miles, the
longest I have
| > > > ever run before in my life. Doing something I am not sure if
I can do
| > > > is a great thrill, almost as compelling as helping to combat
the pandemic
| > > > of HIV on this planet.
| > > >
| > > > In San Francisco, 1 out of every 50 residents lives with HIV/AIDS.
40
| > > > million people worldwide are currently living with HIV. One
million
| > > > Americans are infected, and countless other lives are affected
by HIV.
| > > >
| > > > I would like to ask your support- I have personally committed
to raise at
| > > > least $3,000 by September 3, 2003. Any contribution you can
make would
| > > > mean a lot to me and to people who benefit from HIV service
and prevention
| > > > programs in the Bay Area. Contributions are tax deductible
and can be made
| > > > through the simple website listed below. By contributing, you
will be
| > > > making a huge difference in the lives of thousands of people
you have
| > > > never met, and you will help me to reach my goal of completing
a marathon
| > > > in the service of our fellow man.
| > > >
| > > > The website for online donations is:
| > > > http://www.aidsmarathon.com/participant.jsp?runner=SF-0639&year=2003
| > > >
| > > > If you would like to donate in a non-online fashion, please
email me at
| > > > marc@rotten.com and I can fill out a donor form for you and
get the funds
| > > > from you in person.
| > > >
| > > > Thanks so much for your compassion and support.
| > > >
| > > > Sincerely,
| > > > Marc Powell
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > > —
| > > Chris
| > >
|
| —
| Chris
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Patrick K. Kroupa <<
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From: “Rick Venglarcik” <RickV@hnncsb.org>
Subject: [ibogaine] Brain Machine
Date: August 8, 2003 at 9:56:00 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
The priniciples of information release dictate that when the public begins to be aware of such possibilities, and private companies and educational institutions begin to openly research these areas, the DOD has already had these things for years. The public release is simply spin control, based on minimization of progress in these areas. Contrary to popular belief, the control of animals via electronic implants was already a reality…if I recall correctly…around 1963 or so. Instilling thoughts or voices is extremely feasible…so have the geniuses just woke up to this possibility in the past few years? Or has this possibility been worked on for decades now?
Take every bit of science and math and what-not that you have learned, and apply your cognitive machinery to how YOU would go about doing such a thing…and then read about the High Altitude Aural Resonance Project (HAARP). Then project your mind along all of the unfolding theoretical possibilities…then you will begin to understand.
1984 came and stayed, and few have really noticed.
vector620022002@yahoo.com 08/07/03 10:49PM >>>
I admit my disney bitch slapped by the hand of god forwarded msg did
not find a big audience here. But this one is even better. It’s from
the “Mensa meeting on Crack” list 🙂
(ducking)
.:vector:.
— Vigilius Haufniensis <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net> wrote:
From: “Vigilius Haufniensis” <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net>
To: <GlobalHumanity@yahoogroups.com>
CC: <vox@mindvox.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:17:28 -0500
Subject: [vox] Defense Department funding brain-machine work
The $24 million enterprise called Brain Machine Interfaces is
developing
technology that promises to directly read thoughts from a living
brain —
and even instill thoughts as well.
http://www.charleston.net/stories/080503/wor_05darpa.shtml
Defense Department funding brain-machine work
BY GARETH COOK, The Boston Globe
August 5, 2003
Even by Washington scandal standards, the “terrorism futures” scandal
was
strange and dramatic.
It started when two senators discovered an obscure military program
designed
to gauge the chances of various geopolitical developments, including
terrorist attacks, by asking people to bet money on them. Within 48
hours —
or, more precisely, two news cycles — the program was canceled and
the man
behind it, John Poindexter of Iran-contra fame, had tendered his
resignation.
What most people don’t know is that the Department of Defense is
already
funding a research program with far creepier implications.
The $24 million enterprise called Brain Machine Interfaces is
developing
technology that promises to directly read thoughts from a living
brain —
and even instill thoughts as well.
The research, some of which is being done at the Massachusetts
Institute of
Technology, is already surprisingly advanced. Monkeys in a laboratory
can
control the movement of a robotic arm using only their thoughts. And
last
year scientists in New York announced they could control the
skittering
motions of a rat by implanting electrodes in its brain, steering it
around
the lab floor as if it were a radio-controlled toy car.
It does not take much imagination to see in this the makings of a
“Matrix”-like cyberpunk dystopia: chips that impose false memories,
machines
that scan for wayward thoughts, cognitively augmented government
security
forces that impose a ruthless order on a recalcitrant population.
It is one thing to propose a tasteless market for gambling on
terrorism. It
is quite another to set some of the nation’s top neuroscientists to
work on
mind control.
But though they differ in degree, the Brain Machine Interface program
and
the terrorism futures market share many features. They are shocking.
They
are bizarre. And they are far more worthy of taxpayer money than at
first
they seem.
The terrorism futures idea, the subject of near hysterical media
coverage,
is rooted in well-established economic principles. The Brain Machine
Interface program, which may well be next in the spotlight, could
offer help
to the paralyzed and is no more likely to bring about a virtual
police state
than technologies that already are available.
With Congress clamoring for much stricter oversight of the Defense
Advanced
Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which funds both programs, the
episode is
less a drama of Poindexter and a band of mad bureaucrats than it is a
reminder of how important it is for the government to spend some of
its
resources on the outlandish. Money from DARPA and other small
government
agencies, such as the Office of Naval Research, has produced profound
scientific advances, Nobel Prizes, and technologies — such as the
Internet
— that have changed the world.
“It is important to have horizons longer than three years and the
chance to
try out bold ideas,” said Tomaso Poggio, one of the MIT scientists
involved
in Brain Machine Interfaces. More traditional funding agencies can be
so
conservative, Poggio said, that “people sometimes joke that you have
to have
done the experiment before you can write the proposal.”
Like the futures market, the Brain Machine Interface program grew out
of
DARPA’s long involvement in information processing. DARPA is the
successor
to ARPA, an office that was created in 1958, in the wake of Sputnik,
to push
forward scientific research with potential military applications.
ARPA laid
the foundation for what is today the Internet, and also contributed
to a
wide variety of computer applications currently in use.
DARPA’s brain-machine work, which is unclassified and eventually will
be
published in scientific journals, attracts scientists because it
explores
some of the central questions in neuroscience, such as the nature of
consciousness and memory, and the neural code the brain uses to store
and
process information.
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From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] GW Action Figure
Date: August 8, 2003 at 2:24:47 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 8, 2003 at 12:15:51 PM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hey M Izgi,
I’m sorry that I can’t offer you any free ibogaine, nor even any info on
how to get it free or not so free, but I can write to say that I have been
where you are, more than once, believe me. I’ve felt exactly that pain and
misery you’ve expressed in this note to the ibogaine list.
I’m still here though, even though I still, to this day, sometimes feel
as you seem to, even off methadone for about 3 years and coke and heroin for
6 now. I still use some legal, prescribed opiates, for a very serious pain
problem, but now I’m lucky in that I make just enough money to pay for the
prescriptions, (though just barely because we in the US have zero health
coverage, and I’ve no insurance- which is why I sometimes still feel as
you’ve mentioned you feel now).
I’m sorry, I’m babbling here.
My point in writing you is just to let you know that at least one person
who’s read your note is thinking good, strong, positive thoughts in your
direction, and though I’m sure you’d prefer money or good advice, I can at
least offer you my empathy.
I hope it helps you to know that I went through years and years of hard
core, living in the streets drug abuse/addiction, and felt many, many times
that I wasn’t ever going to get off the drugs and should therefore just kill
myself (and tried a few times to do so too, unsuccessfully obviously) – but
managed to finally get myself into a position where I am stable now. It is
possible, even for the very worst cases- at least taking my own case into
consideration.
Just to let you know where I’m coming from, you can go to the following
link and read any of the stories listed there- they are from a book by me
that describes in vivid detail the kind of life I managed to escape. I send
the link to try to supply you some hope. It’s possible to escape that
lifestyle, really, it is, as difficult it as it can seem sometimes.
Something in the War by Preston Peet
http://www.drugwar.com/somethingintheway.shtm
Peace and respect,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.DrugWar.com
—– Original Message —–
From: <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still thinking and wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As
usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good
advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways
(rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon,
ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody helps
you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain teratment cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
From: <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] please help me if you can
Date: August 8, 2003 at 10:50:39 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Dear Friends in the group,
A few days ago I decided commit to suicide (I’m still thinking and wishing
to die) because of my opiate based addiction. I wrote a mail to many other
guys, groups, organizations and asked help to quit my addiction. As usual;
no one answered me expect Mr. Howard S. Lotsof and he gave me good advices,
At least he cared about me as answered by a mail. I’m living in Turkey
Istanbul and I want to quit my 11 years addiction. I tried many ways (rapid
detox, clasical torture, nemexin) but all of them didn’t worked on me,
already many treatment style is ilegal in my country like methadon, ibogain,
etc… But nowadays I totaly finished, I have no money and nobody helps you
that if you have no money. I want to try ibogain on me (maybe my last
chance) to quit drugs. But I can’t administrate ibogain teratment cause of
money problem. Please help me maybe you can find a way for me.
Best Regards
M Izgi
From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 12 step complete story?
Date: August 8, 2003 at 9:06:48 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Carla B. wrote >What Curtis said, you said, Randy, Patrick, Dave, so
many others on this list is so true. It’s almost like
you have to get help to remove all the trash that you
learned while in the 12 steps groups. It’s awful!<
I gotta chime in here, with the observation that while I personally have not
done ibogaine so can’t really compare it to any other treatment I’ve gone
through, I wasn’t happy in the 12-step rooms. That said, there were things I
took away from those rooms that have stuck with me in a good way, despite
the trash that came along with it. There’s always that durned seperating the
wheat from the chaff thing I have to take into consideration, in every
situation.
Plus, to each their own.
Hope everyone is doing well, and enjoying their summer.
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: “Carla Barnes” <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 12 step complete story?
Thank you for writing this!
This is one of my biggest problems with the 12 steps
too. I think having a support group is great. Having a
support group that judges me, makes me feel like a
louse and tells me that all drugs are the same is not
what I ever needed.
I’m sorry but there is a big difference between
smoking pot and shooting 30 bags of heroin a day. A
very big difference.
What Curtis said, you said, Randy, Patrick, Dave, so
many others on this list is so true. It’s almost like
you have to get help to remove all the trash that you
learned while in the 12 steps groups. It’s awful!
Carla B
— deartheo@ziplip.com wrote:
I was in NA for 3 years for poly-drug use (all
except opiates), i “sponsered” more then 5 people,
and listened and learned from others experience. 12
step programs teach that marijuana and heroin and in
fact all drugs are the same, it’s not the drug it’s
the compulsion behind it they say. In my own
experince at least 90% of those i’ve met in NA are
speed addicts. Because they didn’t want ‘pot
head’s’ to feel like s/he hasn’t ‘hit their bottom’,
they hid the fact that opiates make you physically
sick. All drugs aren’t the same. It has taken me 7
years to finally recover from becoming a physical
dependent junkie. I do not consider myself an
addict. To me an addict is someone who can’t own a
cappachino machine because they will drink 15 cups
in an hour (this happened at the 12 step group i
attended), “i don’t care what it is, just give me
allot”. I feel i unlearned that behavier during my
3 years at NA, but i feel into a far worse opiate
trap because i believed i was well informed and i
thought heroin would be like coke, something i had
been able to do once a year or 2 years and not even
think about it when it wasn’t around….i wrongfully
assummed that i would be able to do the same with
heroin, i was wrong.
I took my first iboga (root bark–4,200 was the
dose) treatment july03 for 263 ml of methadone per
day for over 4 years, and plan (if i can raise the
$$) to take a 2nd dose at the beginning of Sept.
I am positive that if i had tried to kick
cold-turkey without iboga i would have been broken
by now.
-jason bursey
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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] RE: Stanton Peel and ibogaine success
Date: August 8, 2003 at 8:42:37 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I’ve been reading about ibogaine for some time. All
I see is this endless
soap opera on psychedelics with a interesting cast.
Sorry to hear that you are blind.
Ibogaine gets lost
in the soap opera, lawsuits, claims and scams. Makes
for a interesting
life but works no better then any other rapid opiate
detox.
That statement shows very clearly how clueless you are
about ibogaine, likey many other things too. BTW, I
initially did ibogaine for coke and alcohol, amazing
how something no better than a “rapid opiate detox”
worked for that isn’t it???
That is not what it is (a rapid opiate detox), maybe
in your mind it is but it isn’t. Maybe you could get
yourself strung out, try the various treatments, go
back and do it with some other drugs and then after a
couple decades or so of trial and error (if you
survive), report back to the list with an opinion that
counts. That is basically what people like Patrick and
myself have done, our opinion means something cause we
know something about the subject from personal
experience (ibogaine and addiction) not just reading
about it in books. No matter who you are and what you
read you are unlikely to have a good understanding of
what ibogaine does or is unless you do it, otherwise
you are no better than some kid green behind the ears
who thinks he knows all about sex from reading books.
Have you ever done ibogaine? Of course I know the
answer to that, that one is easy cause you are
clueless about what it is and does. Maybe if that is
all you see it is like watching (porn or maybe a soap
opera) or reading about sex, love and relationships
and thinking you have an understanding of it, you
don’t, not even a clue.
“> My 2 cents”
It ain’t even worth that dude.
Brett
Stanton Peel is a blithering fool who needs to stop
writing books while
drunk.
My 2 cents
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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] RE: Stanton Peel and ibogaine success
Date: August 8, 2003 at 2:40:41 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
You think that you know a lot but what you think isn’t true.
—–Original Message—–
From: jared@cyber-rights.net [mailto:jared@cyber-rights.net]
Sent: vrijdag 8 augustus 2003 3:30
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] RE: Stanton Peel and ibogaine success
Sorry mate, I’ve been reading this list for some time too and what I’ve
found here is a very self selecting audience and more drug dealers then
any list I have ever been part of. We don’t ship to the US wink wink.
Could it be the reason ibogaine isn’t on every drug addicts mind because
it doesn’t work any better then any other treatment? I hate to burst
anyone’s bubble but the reports I read on this list are no better then
what one finds on the after any other detox listing.
The only difference is all of you are hooked on yourselves and
psychedelic
drugs.
You Mr. Kroupa are a exception. There are always exceptions. What works
for you is never going to work for anyone else. If there is some other
person who cleaned up by going to bangkok and eating sheets of lsd, do
tell. I’d love to hear the results of that study. 99% death rate with
one success. You.
There is only one scientist I know about who is doing research with
ibogaine
on human addicts and I think the results of Dr. Mash’s research are that
selling ibogaine for insane prices to rich people is a good business.
If there is any other result I must have missed the cover story on every
magazine that there is a cure for addiction now.
Most of you on this list are exceptions to the norm. Even out of you
exceptions I don’t think your long term success is better then any other
treatment and I don’t think any real scientist is ever going to touch
any of this. What will the double blind placebo be, LSD?
For that matter out of the so called exceptions, how many of you are
there even? 5, 10? Most of what I read here is either newly detoxed
fellows
who are struggling or heavy denial as is the case of persons who post
many long messages complete with the pharmacy of prescription drugs
theyre
taking and explain how ibogaine saved their lives, usually in the same
sentence.
This leaves a very small group of very crazy persons ibogaine and
ibogaine
alone worked for.
I’ve been reading about ibogaine for some time. All I see is this
endless
soap opera on psychedelics with a interesting cast. Ibogaine gets lost
in the soap opera, lawsuits, claims and scams. Makes for a interesting
life but works no better then any other rapid opiate detox.
Stanton Peel is a blithering fool who needs to stop writing books while
drunk.
My 2 cents
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From: Vector Vector <vector620022002@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] please help
Date: August 7, 2003 at 10:47:33 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Yeah, 52 messages from DrugWar in less than a day and it’s still going.
All right Preston! 🙂 Go for 100 in a day! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Great post, polite and a lot of desperation 🙂
email: vox-unsubscribe@mindvox.com and drugwar-unsubscribe@mindvox.com
.:vector:.
— Hank Samuels <hank.samuels@lycos.co.uk> wrote:
If there is anyone reading this who can help me or who runs this
please tell me how to sign off the lists here.
I would like to stay on this list and I would like to get off the
mindvox and drugwar lists. The Mindvox list is like a
Mensa meeting on crack. I think the average iq is 200 and everyone is
very very smart and totally crazy and
they never stop talking. The Drugwar list is interesting but it is
like every drug reform organization in the world
is posting to it.
Please, what I am getting from Mindvox is over 100 pieces of email
every day. This is more then every list I am
subscribed to put together for a month. I can’t get this much email
or even begin to read all of it.
Please help. I want to stay on the ibogaine list and get off vox and
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Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] Defense Department funding brain-machine work
Date: August 7, 2003 at 10:49:41 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I admit my disney bitch slapped by the hand of god forwarded msg did
not find a big audience here. But this one is even better. It’s from
the “Mensa meeting on Crack” list 🙂
(ducking)
.:vector:.
— Vigilius Haufniensis <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net> wrote:
From: “Vigilius Haufniensis” <thehatefulnerd@centurytel.net>
To: <GlobalHumanity@yahoogroups.com>
CC: <vox@mindvox.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:17:28 -0500
Subject: [vox] Defense Department funding brain-machine work
The $24 million enterprise called Brain Machine Interfaces is
developing
technology that promises to directly read thoughts from a living
brain —
and even instill thoughts as well.
http://www.charleston.net/stories/080503/wor_05darpa.shtml
Defense Department funding brain-machine work
BY GARETH COOK, The Boston Globe
August 5, 2003
Even by Washington scandal standards, the “terrorism futures” scandal
was
strange and dramatic.
It started when two senators discovered an obscure military program
designed
to gauge the chances of various geopolitical developments, including
terrorist attacks, by asking people to bet money on them. Within 48
hours —
or, more precisely, two news cycles — the program was canceled and
the man
behind it, John Poindexter of Iran-contra fame, had tendered his
resignation.
What most people don’t know is that the Department of Defense is
already
funding a research program with far creepier implications.
The $24 million enterprise called Brain Machine Interfaces is
developing
technology that promises to directly read thoughts from a living
brain —
and even instill thoughts as well.
The research, some of which is being done at the Massachusetts
Institute of
Technology, is already surprisingly advanced. Monkeys in a laboratory
can
control the movement of a robotic arm using only their thoughts. And
last
year scientists in New York announced they could control the
skittering
motions of a rat by implanting electrodes in its brain, steering it
around
the lab floor as if it were a radio-controlled toy car.
It does not take much imagination to see in this the makings of a
“Matrix”-like cyberpunk dystopia: chips that impose false memories,
machines
that scan for wayward thoughts, cognitively augmented government
security
forces that impose a ruthless order on a recalcitrant population.
It is one thing to propose a tasteless market for gambling on
terrorism. It
is quite another to set some of the nation’s top neuroscientists to
work on
mind control.
But though they differ in degree, the Brain Machine Interface program
and
the terrorism futures market share many features. They are shocking.
They
are bizarre. And they are far more worthy of taxpayer money than at
first
they seem.
The terrorism futures idea, the subject of near hysterical media
coverage,
is rooted in well-established economic principles. The Brain Machine
Interface program, which may well be next in the spotlight, could
offer help
to the paralyzed and is no more likely to bring about a virtual
police state
than technologies that already are available.
With Congress clamoring for much stricter oversight of the Defense
Advanced
Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which funds both programs, the
episode is
less a drama of Poindexter and a band of mad bureaucrats than it is a
reminder of how important it is for the government to spend some of
its
resources on the outlandish. Money from DARPA and other small
government
agencies, such as the Office of Naval Research, has produced profound
scientific advances, Nobel Prizes, and technologies — such as the
Internet
— that have changed the world.
“It is important to have horizons longer than three years and the
chance to
try out bold ideas,” said Tomaso Poggio, one of the MIT scientists
involved
in Brain Machine Interfaces. More traditional funding agencies can be
so
conservative, Poggio said, that “people sometimes joke that you have
to have
done the experiment before you can write the proposal.”
Like the futures market, the Brain Machine Interface program grew out
of
DARPA’s long involvement in information processing. DARPA is the
successor
to ARPA, an office that was created in 1958, in the wake of Sputnik,
to push
forward scientific research with potential military applications.
ARPA laid
the foundation for what is today the Internet, and also contributed
to a
wide variety of computer applications currently in use.
DARPA’s brain-machine work, which is unclassified and eventually will
be
published in scientific journals, attracts scientists because it
explores
some of the central questions in neuroscience, such as the nature of
consciousness and memory, and the neural code the brain uses to store
and
process information.
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From: admin@ethnogarden.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] info
Date: August 7, 2003 at 10:23:27 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Yes,
No problem, VERY sorry once again.
The message was to go to the individual NOT the list.
Rushing to much. Sorry, I know a lot only have small mailboxes.
JC
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—–Original Message—–
From: Carla Barnes [mailto:carlambarnes@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003, 6:51 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] info
Yes, I also appreciate the information from
ethnogarden but could you please not do that anymore.
Your one message fills up almost my whole mailbox!
Thank you
Carla B
— crownofthorns@hushmail.com wrote:
Bro, could you please not do this. I think it’s
great that there are
more sources of ibogaine then ever before and I
appreciate knowing about
them and you making this information available. But
you could have included
a link or only the price list in a text file, which
would have been a
normal sized message.
You sent a 1.5meg excel spreedsheet attachment that
filled up most of
my mailbox and made the rest of my email bounce.
Please don’t do that bro.
Peace out,
Curtis
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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003, 12:06 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] info
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From: “Hank Samuels ” <hank.samuels@lycos.co.uk>
Subject: [ibogaine] please help
Date: August 7, 2003 at 11:21:57 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
If there is anyone reading this who can help me or who runs this please tell me how to sign off the lists here.
I would like to stay on this list and I would like to get off the mindvox and drugwar lists. The Mindvox list is like a
Mensa meeting on crack. I think the average iq is 200 and everyone is very very smart and totally crazy and
they never stop talking. The Drugwar list is interesting but it is like every drug reform organization in the world
is posting to it.
Please, what I am getting from Mindvox is over 100 pieces of email every day. This is more then every list I am
subscribed to put together for a month. I can’t get this much email or even begin to read all of it.
Please help. I want to stay on the ibogaine list and get off vox and drugwar. Thank you. I don’t know how.
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 12 step complete story?
Date: August 7, 2003 at 10:01:22 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Thank you for writing this!
This is one of my biggest problems with the 12 steps
too. I think having a support group is great. Having a
support group that judges me, makes me feel like a
louse and tells me that all drugs are the same is not
what I ever needed.
I’m sorry but there is a big difference between
smoking pot and shooting 30 bags of heroin a day. A
very big difference.
What Curtis said, you said, Randy, Patrick, Dave, so
many others on this list is so true. It’s almost like
you have to get help to remove all the trash that you
learned while in the 12 steps groups. It’s awful!
Carla B
— deartheo@ziplip.com wrote:
I was in NA for 3 years for poly-drug use (all
except opiates), i “sponsered” more then 5 people,
and listened and learned from others experience. 12
step programs teach that marijuana and heroin and in
fact all drugs are the same, it’s not the drug it’s
the compulsion behind it they say. In my own
experince at least 90% of those i’ve met in NA are
speed addicts. Because they didn’t want ‘pot
head’s’ to feel like s/he hasn’t ‘hit their bottom’,
they hid the fact that opiates make you physically
sick. All drugs aren’t the same. It has taken me 7
years to finally recover from becoming a physical
dependent junkie. I do not consider myself an
addict. To me an addict is someone who can’t own a
cappachino machine because they will drink 15 cups
in an hour (this happened at the 12 step group i
attended), “i don’t care what it is, just give me
allot”. I feel i unlearned that behavier during my
3 years at NA, but i feel into a far worse opiate
trap because i believed i was well informed and i
thought heroin would be like coke, something i had
been able to do once a year or 2 years and not even
think about it when it wasn’t around….i wrongfully
assummed that i would be able to do the same with
heroin, i was wrong.
I took my first iboga (root bark–4,200 was the
dose) treatment july03 for 263 ml of methadone per
day for over 4 years, and plan (if i can raise the
$$) to take a 2nd dose at the beginning of Sept.
I am positive that if i had tried to kick
cold-turkey without iboga i would have been broken
by now.
-jason bursey
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] RE: Stanton Peel and ibogaine success
Date: August 7, 2003 at 9:58:20 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
This was the typical angry message which says things
that angry people have already said at least 100 times
before.
If you are so much against ibogaine then there is
really no need to do it! Do a rapid opiate detox
instead if that is what you want.
I am also around people who are struggling and trying
to stay off drugs. Ibogaine isn’t magic and it’s not a
cure but it’s better then anything I’ve ever tried.
You know what else, if you ask people who have done a
rapid opiate detox a year later if it made their lives
better. Unless they are part of the small group who
stayed clean, every one will say no and explain why
it’s awful.
I think that nearly everyone who has done ibogaine
even if they don’t manage to stay clean after, has
agreed that it improved their lives in some way.
Sometimes it takes more then once even if Randy
disagrees with me. Even mr. ibogaine superman 😉
Patrick said he relapsed as soon as he got to the
nearest airport the first time. Does that mean he
should have given up?
Maybe he needed to eat sheets of LSD in Bangkok, it
did finally work for him. Everyone is trying to find
what works for them. Why not let them do that? It’s
hard enough being addicted without being judged by
everyone.
This was a needless and mean message.
Carla B
— jared@cyber-rights.net wrote:
Sorry mate, I’ve been reading this list for some
time too and what I’ve
found here is a very self selecting audience and
more drug dealers then
any list I have ever been part of. We don’t ship to
the US wink wink.
Could it be the reason ibogaine isn’t on every drug
addicts mind because
it doesn’t work any better then any other treatment?
I hate to burst
anyone’s bubble but the reports I read on this list
are no better then
what one finds on the after any other detox listing.
The only difference is all of you are hooked on
yourselves and psychedelic
drugs.
You Mr. Kroupa are a exception. There are always
exceptions. What works
for you is never going to work for anyone else. If
there is some other
person who cleaned up by going to bangkok and eating
sheets of lsd, do
tell. I’d love to hear the results of that study.
99% death rate with
one success. You.
There is only one scientist I know about who is
doing research with ibogaine
on human addicts and I think the results of Dr.
Mash’s research are that
selling ibogaine for insane prices to rich people is
a good business.
If there is any other result I must have missed the
cover story on every
magazine that there is a cure for addiction now.
Most of you on this list are exceptions to the norm.
Even out of you
exceptions I don’t think your long term success is
better then any other
treatment and I don’t think any real scientist is
ever going to touch
any of this. What will the double blind placebo be,
LSD?
For that matter out of the so called exceptions, how
many of you are
there even? 5, 10? Most of what I read here is
either newly detoxed fellows
who are struggling or heavy denial as is the case of
persons who post
many long messages complete with the pharmacy of
prescription drugs theyre
taking and explain how ibogaine saved their lives,
usually in the same
sentence.
This leaves a very small group of very crazy persons
ibogaine and ibogaine
alone worked for.
I’ve been reading about ibogaine for some time. All
I see is this endless
soap opera on psychedelics with a interesting cast.
Ibogaine gets lost
in the soap opera, lawsuits, claims and scams. Makes
for a interesting
life but works no better then any other rapid opiate
detox.
Stanton Peel is a blithering fool who needs to stop
writing books while
drunk.
My 2 cents
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] info
Date: August 7, 2003 at 9:52:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Yes, I also appreciate the information from
ethnogarden but could you please not do that anymore.
Your one message fills up almost my whole mailbox!
Thank you
Carla B
— crownofthorns@hushmail.com wrote:
Bro, could you please not do this. I think it’s
great that there are
more sources of ibogaine then ever before and I
appreciate knowing about
them and you making this information available. But
you could have included
a link or only the price list in a text file, which
would have been a
normal sized message.
You sent a 1.5meg excel spreedsheet attachment that
filled up most of
my mailbox and made the rest of my email bounce.
Please don’t do that bro.
Peace out,
Curtis
On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 21:39:21 -0700
admin@ethnogarden.com wrote:
Greetings, Please find attached our pricelist for
all products.
For more infor on Ibogaine itself please view
www.erowid.org
www.ibogine.co.uk
www.ibogaine.org
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From: yojeda@bellsouth.net
[mailto:yojeda@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003, 12:06 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] info
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From: <jared@cyber-rights.net>
Subject: [ibogaine] RE: Stanton Peel and ibogaine success
Date: August 7, 2003 at 9:29:36 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sorry mate, I’ve been reading this list for some time too and what I’ve
found here is a very self selecting audience and more drug dealers then
any list I have ever been part of. We don’t ship to the US wink wink.
Could it be the reason ibogaine isn’t on every drug addicts mind because
it doesn’t work any better then any other treatment? I hate to burst
anyone’s bubble but the reports I read on this list are no better then
what one finds on the after any other detox listing.
The only difference is all of you are hooked on yourselves and psychedelic
drugs.
You Mr. Kroupa are a exception. There are always exceptions. What works
for you is never going to work for anyone else. If there is some other
person who cleaned up by going to bangkok and eating sheets of lsd, do
tell. I’d love to hear the results of that study. 99% death rate with
one success. You.
There is only one scientist I know about who is doing research with ibogaine
on human addicts and I think the results of Dr. Mash’s research are that
selling ibogaine for insane prices to rich people is a good business.
If there is any other result I must have missed the cover story on every
magazine that there is a cure for addiction now.
Most of you on this list are exceptions to the norm. Even out of you
exceptions I don’t think your long term success is better then any other
treatment and I don’t think any real scientist is ever going to touch
any of this. What will the double blind placebo be, LSD?
For that matter out of the so called exceptions, how many of you are
there even? 5, 10? Most of what I read here is either newly detoxed fellows
who are struggling or heavy denial as is the case of persons who post
many long messages complete with the pharmacy of prescription drugs theyre
taking and explain how ibogaine saved their lives, usually in the same
sentence.
This leaves a very small group of very crazy persons ibogaine and ibogaine
alone worked for.
I’ve been reading about ibogaine for some time. All I see is this endless
soap opera on psychedelics with a interesting cast. Ibogaine gets lost
in the soap opera, lawsuits, claims and scams. Makes for a interesting
life but works no better then any other rapid opiate detox.
Stanton Peel is a blithering fool who needs to stop writing books while
drunk.
My 2 cents
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From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] 12 step complete story?
Date: August 7, 2003 at 9:01:30 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I was in NA for 3 years for poly-drug use (all except opiates), i “sponsered” more then 5 people, and listened and learned from others experience. 12 step programs teach that marijuana and heroin and in fact all drugs are the same, it’s not the drug it’s the compulsion behind it they say. In my own experince at least 90% of those i’ve met in NA are speed addicts. Because they didn’t want ‘pot head’s’ to feel like s/he hasn’t ‘hit their bottom’, they hid the fact that opiates make you physically sick. All drugs aren’t the same. It has taken me 7 years to finally recover from becoming a physical dependent junkie. I do not consider myself an addict. To me an addict is someone who can’t own a cappachino machine because they will drink 15 cups in an hour (this happened at the 12 step group i attended), “i don’t care what it is, just give me allot”. I feel i unlearned that behavier during my 3 years at NA, but i feel into a far worse opiate trap because i believed i was well informed and i thought heroin would be like coke, something i had been able to do once a year or 2 years and not even think about it when it wasn’t around….i wrongfully assummed that i would be able to do the same with heroin, i was wrong.
I took my first iboga (root bark–4,200 was the dose) treatment july03 for 263 ml of methadone per day for over 4 years, and plan (if i can raise the $$) to take a 2nd dose at the beginning of Sept.
I am positive that if i had tried to kick cold-turkey without iboga i would have been broken by now.
-jason bursey
—–Original Message—–
From: jessica_w@ziplip.com [mailto:jessica_w@ziplip.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003, 5:00 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] stanton peele
Hi everyone. I have been reading this list for some months and enjoy it a lot.
it’s a strange combination of weird, angry and very informative and positive.
Kudos.
I wanted to say that I very much enjoyed the addiction series on heroin times.
I’ve read a lot of your writing but I think this was the best series you did
so far, you get your point across and say what is the experience of so many
others including me! I never got better until I got away from the 12 steps and
treatment. I haven’t done ibogaine but I have 2 years clean now after being
addicted to crack for over 5.
I found the Stanton Peele website from the links on Mindvox, I didn’t know
what it led to I clicked the ‘NA Kills’ banner. Nice art! And then after
reading through his web site found it was also full of information that I very
much agreed with.
I would recommend anyone who is in recovery or has done ibogaine at least
reads through the Stanton Peele site and finds out what other options exist.
http://www.peele.net/
I would also very much recommend the book: Diseasing of America: How We
Allowed Recovery Zealots and the Treatment Industry to Convince Us We Are Out
of Control
I havent’ read all of Peele’s books yet, but this one is great. Reprinted at
the bottom of my msg are some of the reviews.
Patrick your writing is awesome, you need to finish a book there are so many
of us who have experiences like yours and never got better until we got away
from the ‘treatment pimps’ as you call them!
reviews of the Stanton Peele book
Argues that the disease model of chemical and alcohol addiction has no basis
in scientific fact and has spawned a recovery movement that is grossly
ineffective. Social psychologist Peele explains how the recovery industry grew
and recommends alternatives to the medicalization of addiction.
A Controversial Argument Against the Disease Theory of Addiction Diseasing of
America is a powerful and controversial rebuttal to the “addiction as disease
model” that many vested interests-including doctors, counselors,
psychologists, treatment centers, and twelve-step programs that specialize in
addiction treatment-don’t want you to read.
Some of the comments on Amazon.com are also great but much too long to reprint
here.
Thanks all!
jess
From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] stanton peele
Date: August 7, 2003 at 8:34:08 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Jessica, I like Stanton Peele because I think it’s very important that
there are articulate people who show different approaches then all the
12 step junk. But that is the only reason I like him. After reading his
books what I myself get out of it is that I do not think he has ever
been addicted to anything which makes the rest of what he writes maybe
not the most valid information.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think having once been addicted is the most
important thing ever, but it does help. Jack Trimpey from Rational Recovery
gives me the same sense as Peele. Someone who is full of themselves and
their main interest is tooting their own horn and selling their self
help books and tapes. Trimpey was a addict.
SMART is not like that. I think it’s a better approach for people who
need group support but don’t want the self defeating 12 step junk.
I like Patrick’s writing too because I relate to so much of it. The main
reason I like the addiction articles is because he doesn’t pretend to
offer the right answer to everything, available from him for only $199.95
for 6 audiotapes and a $50 book. He even included a positive 12 step
piece with Dave Hunter in the middle of it because he said he couldn’t
write anything positive about the steps but agreed they helped some people
so he got someone else to do it. That is worth a lot of respect.
I’ve seen nearly nothing of his book except two chapters which I very
much enjoyed. Unless I’m totally offbase he’s not writing anything about
recovery or what could be considered self help from drugs. He’s writing
Naked Lunch on Acid 2003 😉 And doing a amazing job of it. Right on
bro! I don’t remember who first used that quote last year but saying
Patrick is what would happen if someone pushed William Burroughs into
a pool filled with LSD is exactly it 🙂 Right on bro, right on. Write
the truth and dump ibogaine right into the mainstream 🙂
Please don’t get me wrong, I think the 12 steps are a completely self
promoting scam who’s main interest is making money for those involved
with selling treatment. I went through treatment so many times it makes
me sick to think how much it cost. I was working in dot com then, I had
insurance, I was not getting help at the homeless shelter I went through
Betty Ford 3 times. I never got better until I got away from all of those
people.
All I mean to say is I don’t think Stanton Peele is any better. Stanton
Peele is interested in promoting Stanton Peele.
Peace out,
Curtis
On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 16:47:04 -0700 “jessica_w@ziplip.com” <jessica_w@ziplip.com>
wrote:
Hi everyone. I have been reading this list for some months and enjoy
it a lot. it’s a strange combination of weird, angry and very informative
and positive. Kudos.
I wanted to say that I very much enjoyed the addiction series on
heroin times. I’ve read a lot of your writing but I think this was
the best series you did so far, you get your point across and say
what is the experience of so many others including me! I never got
better until I got away from the 12 steps and treatment. I haven’t
done ibogaine but I have 2 years clean now after being addicted to
crack for over 5.
I found the Stanton Peele website from the links on Mindvox, I didn’t
know what it led to I clicked the ‘NA Kills’ banner. Nice art! And
then after reading through his web site found it was also full of
information that I very much agreed with.
I would recommend anyone who is in recovery or has done ibogaine
at least reads through the Stanton Peele site and finds out what
other options exist.
http://www.peele.net/
I would also very much recommend the book: Diseasing of America:
How We Allowed Recovery Zealots and the Treatment Industry to Convince
Us We Are Out of Control
I havent’ read all of Peele’s books yet, but this one is great.
Reprinted at the bottom of my msg are some of the reviews.
Patrick your writing is awesome, you need to finish a book there
are so many of us who have experiences like yours and never got better
until we got away from the ‘treatment pimps’ as you call them!
reviews of the Stanton Peele book
Argues that the disease model of chemical and alcohol addiction
has no basis in scientific fact and has spawned a recovery movement
that is grossly ineffective. Social psychologist Peele explains how
the recovery industry grew and recommends alternatives to the medicalization
of addiction.
A Controversial Argument Against the Disease Theory of Addiction
Diseasing of America is a powerful and controversial rebuttal to
the “addiction as disease model” that many vested interests-including
doctors, counselors, psychologists, treatment centers, and twelve-
step programs that specialize in addiction treatment-don’t want you
to read.
Some of the comments on Amazon.com are also great but much too long
to reprint here.
Thanks all!
jess
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From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] info
Date: August 7, 2003 at 8:09:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Bro, could you please not do this. I think it’s great that there are
more sources of ibogaine then ever before and I appreciate knowing about
them and you making this information available. But you could have included
a link or only the price list in a text file, which would have been a
normal sized message.
You sent a 1.5meg excel spreedsheet attachment that filled up most of
my mailbox and made the rest of my email bounce.
Please don’t do that bro.
Peace out,
Curtis
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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003, 12:06 PM
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] info
I am interested it. Can You tell me some more info. Thanks
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From: “jessica_w@ziplip.com” <jessica_w@ziplip.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] stanton peele
Date: August 7, 2003 at 7:47:04 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Hi everyone. I have been reading this list for some months and enjoy it a lot. it’s a strange combination of weird, angry and very informative and positive. Kudos.
I wanted to say that I very much enjoyed the addiction series on heroin times. I’ve read a lot of your writing but I think this was the best series you did so far, you get your point across and say what is the experience of so many others including me! I never got better until I got away from the 12 steps and treatment. I haven’t done ibogaine but I have 2 years clean now after being addicted to crack for over 5.
I found the Stanton Peele website from the links on Mindvox, I didn’t know what it led to I clicked the ‘NA Kills’ banner. Nice art! And then after reading through his web site found it was also full of information that I very much agreed with.
I would recommend anyone who is in recovery or has done ibogaine at least reads through the Stanton Peele site and finds out what other options exist.
http://www.peele.net/
I would also very much recommend the book: Diseasing of America: How We Allowed Recovery Zealots and the Treatment Industry to Convince Us We Are Out of Control
I havent’ read all of Peele’s books yet, but this one is great. Reprinted at the bottom of my msg are some of the reviews.
Patrick your writing is awesome, you need to finish a book there are so many of us who have experiences like yours and never got better until we got away from the ‘treatment pimps’ as you call them!
reviews of the Stanton Peele book
Argues that the disease model of chemical and alcohol addiction has no basis in scientific fact and has spawned a recovery movement that is grossly ineffective. Social psychologist Peele explains how the recovery industry grew and recommends alternatives to the medicalization of addiction.
A Controversial Argument Against the Disease Theory of Addiction Diseasing of America is a powerful and controversial rebuttal to the “addiction as disease model” that many vested interests-including doctors, counselors, psychologists, treatment centers, and twelve-step programs that specialize in addiction treatment-don’t want you to read.
Some of the comments on Amazon.com are also great but much too long to reprint here.
Thanks all!
jess
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] ibogaine presentations
Date: August 7, 2003 at 5:57:45 AM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
http://www.ibogaine.org/csam.html
California Society for Addiction Medicine
Addiction Medicine State of the Art 2003
October 8-11, 2003, Radisson-Miyako Hotel, San Francisco
Conference Schedule
Thursday, October 9
3:50 Clinical Aspects of Ibogaine
Deborah C. Mash, PhD, Professor of Neurology, University of Miami School of
Medicine
4:20 Ibogaine Analogues: Drug Development for Addictive Disorders
Stanley Glick, PhD, MD, Professor and Director, The Center for
Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience,
Albany Medical Center, Albany, NY
4:50 What Can Ibogaine Teach Us About the Mechanisms Underlying Addiction?
Dorit Ron, PhD, Assistant Professor of Neurology, Ernest Gallo Clinic &
Research Center, UCSF
5:20 Panel Discussion
http://www.ibogaine.org/csam.html
Howard
From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] new research abstracts
Date: August 6, 2003 at 8:31:32 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=IssueURL&_tockey=%23TOC%234867%232003
%23999249996%23442412%23FLA%23Volume_75,_Issue_3,_Pages_497-729_(June_2003)%2B
MPlants_and_the_Central_Nervous_System%2BMEdited_by_P.J._Houghton_and_P._Seth&
_auth=y&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=93e768
a7ddcbfb894d701404e0726655
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Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2003 Jun;75(3):593-606.
Plant derivatives in the treatment of alcohol dependency.
Rezvani AH, Overstreet DH, Perfumi M, Massi M.
Department of Psychiatry, Duke University Medical Center, Box 3412, 27710,
Durham, NC, USA
The present review summarizes the findings of the effects of extracts of
purified compounds from several plants on alcohol intake in alcohol-preferring
rats. These include St. John’s wort (Hypericum perforatum, HPE), kudzu (Pueraria
lobata) and ibogaine (Tabernanthe iboga). Alcohol-preferring (P), Marchigian
Sardinian (msP), high-alcohol-drinking (HAD), Fawn-Hooded (FH) rats were
allowed to drink alcohol or water voluntarily to establish baseline levels. Pure
compounds (puerarin, daidzin, daidzein or analogs) isolated from kudzu, extracts
from HPE or ibogaine and its analog were given by either intraperitoneal or
oral administration. After acute administration, all agents dose-dependently
reduced alcohol intake with minimal effects on food intake. Puerarin and HPE were
also effective following chronic treatment. Overall, it is clear that pure
compounds (daidzin, puerarin), extracts from St. John’s wort, ibogaine and an
ibogaine analog suppress alcohol intake in animal models of excessive drinking
with minimal effects on other appetitive behaviors. Although the true
mechanisms of action of these compounds on alcohol intake are not fully understood,
with the current information, it appears that these compounds exert their effects
by modulating several neuronal systems implicated in drinking behavior.
However, their role in the future of pharmacotherapy for alcoholism will depend
upon the outcome of carefully conducted clinical trials.
************************************************************
Copyright © 2003 Elsevier Science Inc. All rights reserved.
Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2003 Jun;75(3):607-618
Anti-addictive actions of an iboga alkaloid congener: a novel mechanism for a
novel treatment
Isabelle M. Maisonneuve, and Stanley D. Glick
Center for Neuropharmacology and Neuroscience, Albany Medical College,
MC-136, 47 New Scotland Avenue, Albany, NY 12208, USA
Received 25 November 2002; revised 3 March 2003; accepted 10 March 2003. ;
Available online 20 June 2003.
Abstract
18-Methoxycoronaridine (18-MC), a novel iboga alkaloid congener that
decreases drug self-administration in several animal models, may be a potential
treatment for multiple forms of drug abuse. In animal models, 18-MC reduced
intravenous morphine, cocaine, methamphetamine and nicotine self-administration, oral
alcohol and nicotine intake, and attenuated signs of opioid withdrawal, but
had no effect on responding for a nondrug reinforcer (water) and produced no
apparent toxicity [Brain Res. 719 (1996) 29; NeuroReport 11 (2000) 2013;
Pharmacol. Biochem. Behav. 58 (1997) 615; Psychopharmacology (Berl.) 139 (1998) 274;
NeuroReport 9 (1998) 1283; Ann. N. Y. Acad. Sci. 914 (2000) 369]. Consistent
with a relationship among drug sensitization, mesolimbic dopamine, and
drug-seeking behavior, 18-MC also blocked the sensitized dopamine responses to morphine
and cocaine in the nucleus accumbens. An extensive series of receptor studies
showed that 18-MC was most potent and somewhat selective as an antagonist at
34 nicotinic receptors. Low-dose combinations of 18-MC with other drugs known
to have this same action (e.g., mecamylamine, dextromethorphan, bupropion)
decreased morphine, methamphetamine, and nicotine self-administration in rats at
doses that were ineffective if administered alone. Together, the data support
the hypothesis that diencephalic pathways having high densities of a3b4
nicotinic receptors modulate mesocorticolimbic pathways more directly involved in
drug reinforcement. Antagonists of a3b4 nicotinic receptors may represent a
totally novel approach to treating multiple addictive disorders, and 18-MC might
be the first of a new class of synthetic agents acting via this novel mechanism
and having a broad spectrum of activity.
Author Keywords: Ibogaine; Iboga alkaloids; 18-Methoxycoronaridine; a3b4
Nicotinic receptors; Dorsal diencephalic conduction system;
Habenulo-interpeduncular pathway; Mesocorticolimbic pathways; Dopamine; Addiction; Drug
self-administration; In vivo microdialysis
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From: “Allison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
Date: August 6, 2003 at 7:03:24 AM EDT
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I guess you get rid of it the same way you would any other dead animal. What do you think people do with horses etc. when they die. (Perhaps I shouldn’t have asked for that answer)
Anyways, I just went and related the last few letters about the poor giraffe to my partner and he cracked up laughing too so obviously its nothing to do with nationality, just personal humour.
I still think its sad but there you go everyone sees things differently obviously. Allison
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From: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 11:24:37 a.
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: [vox] ALMIGHTY HAND OF GOD BITCH-SLAPS DISNEY
Man, you people have no sense of humour…
LIGHTENING HIT A DISNEY GIRAFFE!
Granted, it would’ve been funnier if it had hit Cinderella’s Castle, or
that stupid EPCOT ball thing..
I wonder how you go about removing a charred giraffe corpse?
Anyway, for the person who asked about Bwiti music (see i’m making this
post on topic), you can buy it from Smithsonian Folkways. I don’t know
their website offhand, but you can look it up on Google or something..
.
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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] iboga vs. 263 ml Methadone: report filed incomplete
Date: August 5, 2003 at 6:29:24 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sounds like you’ve been through a lot. Welcome to the
ibogaine list. How are you doing now? It will get
better. Hopefuly soon, I never detoxed from any amount
that was that high.
All the best!
Carla B
— deartheo@ziplip.com wrote:
2003.07.21.19.11.
MONDAY.
IBOGA REPORT:
I left for YVR International Airport from D/FW on
Saturday, 20030712@2000 on flight 395 and returned
to D/FW on Friday, 20030718@1337 on flight 1390. I
have been on 263 ml (10 mg per 1 ml) of Methadone
Hydrochloride since the first months of 2000.
Methadone is far more physically addicting then
heroin or morphine. Basically, a junkie on heroin
who has used consistently for 20 years will
experience in most cases 7-10 days of sickness if
going cold turkey (in extreme cases 2 weeks). If
the 20 year heroin junkie was to go to a Methadone
clinic in Texas, the clinic will start the junkie
off at 30 ml and raise the dose until the junkie is
“stable” (not sick) enough to start working down the
dose, most of the time with the junkie’s knowledge
(non-blind). If a junkie who has used Methadone
(or in worst cases Orlaam) will go through much,
much more sickness and it will last much, much
longer, and can be fatal.
Although I do think Methadone is much more
preferable way to be a junkie because of a stable
and reliable supply (unless charged with arrest), I
do not think Methadone is better, in any way, then
Heroin. In my humble opinion, the reason Methadone
clinics work so well is because they give the opiate
junkie a consistent supply of their ‘dose’,
something that is impossible on the black market for
long periods of time. In other words, junkies are
only a problem when they don’t have the ‘dose’ that
will take away (and eventually cause) ‘the sickness/
cold-burn’. When the dose supply is unreliable, the
majority of the junkie’s time is spent attempting to
obtain a supply and school and job become secondary
priorities. It is also much harder to get through
a shift at work if too dope sick. With Methadone
this is not as much of an issue and thus allows the
junkie to very rarely feel ‘dope sick’ if not
accused of a crime so the junkie can spend his/her
time becoming a productive member of society like
finding and keeping employment and finding funds and
time for school, even though the Higher Education
Act tries to prevent the junkies from becoming
productive members of society by preventing funding
to “drug offenders” but does not limit the funds for
convicted rapists or murderers.
Let me say very briefly that the fact that I could
not receive my prescribed medication if accused of
ANY crime has made me borderline paranoid. The fact
that if I look at a police officer wrong I could be
detained without my prescribed medication, is a
method of control far greater then anything seen
since Methadone was called Aldolphine (after
Hitler). The risk of being instantly sick if
accused of a crime is enough to make one paranoid of
the outside world, not wanting to risk a ride up the
road for groceries because I could be pulled over.
I, like most junkies, have not only a criminal
record, but have had a warrant for my arrest (for a
joint of marijuana) for almost two years now. If I
could of received my prescribed mediation in jail, I
would most likely have remained on methadone for the
rest of my life. But the thought of going
cold-turkey from 263 ml of methadone, it simply
would have broken me. Luckily, Marc Emery’s iboga
therapy house (ibogatherapyhouse.org) accepted me
for treatment, so now I can face these legal issues
without the fear of being broken by the sickness.
Marc Emery has literally saved my life.
The last time I tried to take on the sickness, was
when I was on Orlaam ( a time released synthetic
opiate where one dose can last you 72 hours, unlike
the 24 hours one dose of Methadone will ‘give’ you,
or the 4-6 hours of non-sickness that street heroin
will ‘give’ you). It was June of 1999 and I could
no longer afford to keep going to the clinic due to
lack of money. They did not inform me at the time
that there are free clinics.
I slept 4 hours the entire 6 weeks of indescribable
sickness/cold-burn. I had no trouble keeping a job
prior to then, since then
.let’s just say
that experience effected my life in a very negative
way and more then 4 doctors have “diagnosed” me with
post traumatic stress disorder, but their synthetic
‘medicine’, called anti-depressants and this and
that, and I gave more then 4 different one’s a
chance but all make me very not good as far as
being healthy in the mind. This is where my
sacrament and use of herb has helped beyond
anything. The only negative effect of the herb is
from the prohibition of it. In fact Texas is after
me as we speak for less then a joint of herb.
My dose of iboga was 4,200, by means of a 400 test
dose followed by the remaining 20 something 00
capsules of crushed iboga root bark. I was unable
to keep any food down my entire time in BC, I lost
11 pounds in 6 days, which I was o.k. with because
methadone seems to make people bloated (and
constipated- I won’t miss wiping blood after I shit
that’s for sure : ).
I was greeted at the YVR airport by Jolayne who was
very nice and compassionate, and looks exactly like
my little step-sister. She took me to the bed and
breakfast where I stayed Saturday 2003.07.12 and
Sunday 2003.07.13. I had neither methadone, iboga,
or sleeping aid’s during my stay. On Saturday,
Jolayne was nice enough to take me to W. Hastings
and got to smoke some herb at the Amsterdam Café.
The most inspiring thing (besides the organizational
and entrepreneurial genius of the bc party ) was a
small iboga plant in the window, such a small
delicate plant, and I got a little concerned that
such a delicate plant couldn’t possibly keep up and
beat the Goliath Monster of opiate physical
sickness, then I looked around me at the hope and
progress of our movement and I realized I was
exactly where I was supposed to be and am very lucky
for being able to stand where I was standing,
breathing the air of the healing Pacific.
Yes the sickness had been creeping up a bit and the
full fledged sickness was definitely in the mail,
but then I got to meet Marc Emery, I have never met
a man like Marc, I had never experienced a more
self-less human being, he reminds me of like a
modern day Buddha. Marc invited me, to him a total
stranger, to go down stairs and gave me a joints
worth of blueberry. I got to meet Dana, who I have
much respect for, as well as Chris and plenty of
good people. Getting to hear a pot-tv.ca show being
made upstairs while cleaning the blueberry, got
lots of looks for ‘cleaning my herb’, I guess when
you don’t have to smoke Mexican shwag you don’t have
to worry about the stems: )
Being there was the highlight of my trip. I spent a
couple of hours there until Jolayne came and took me
to the iboga therapy house.
That evening I started having trouble keeping
anything down (even water), so it was kind of a
mixed blessing sitting up in the bed with Marc Emery
sitting on the side of the bed handing me 00 cap
after 00 cap after 00 cap full of iboga root. And
if I couldn’t keep it down, they would get some
gloves get the iboga out and re-cap it for me to try
again.
The hallucinations weren’t as intense as I had
anticipated but that is perfectly ok with me. I had
plenty of extreme hallucinogenic experience as a kid
and have had plenty of the pure panic-trips. So
that was my main focus during the iboga experience,
DON’T PANIC, like the cover of the hitchhikers guide
to the galaxy.
I was and still am very sensitive to light. I would
say the iboga took away at least 90% of my sickness,
and from what I have heard and read most junkies who
use iboga to kick do not experience any withdrawal
signs at all, but I was on a very high dose of
methadone for too long. The remaining sickness
was/is very difficult to deal with because to be
honest, my expectations where too much. I was
expecting the iboga to take away the sickness like
methadone (methadone doesn’t get me high, just
not-sick) with hallucinations, I didn’t realize how
much work it would be.
I have read many times that a junkies first iboga
trip is fairly subtle, and if they do a 2nd dose
that the iboga is like “oh you didn’t get it last
time huh? Well try this on for size!! BOOM”, not
that I’m looking for boom but I do not like being
unprepared for any surprises and want to be mentally
prepared if that happens. Not only do Marc, Sandra,
and Jolayne say a second dose greatly increases
one’s success rate, but nearly every paper I’ve read
on iboga/ibogaine recommends a 2nd dose for a better
success rate. I think my expectations for the 2nd
dose are it taking away the remainder of the
sickness and will let me move on.
————————-
This is Wednesday 2003.07.23. I am still very sick,
but feel blessed because I know it would be so much
worse going cold turkey without the iboga. There is
no doubt in me that if I had tried this without the
iboga I would have been broken by the sickness by
now. I am very, very tired, not sleepy tired,
exhausted tired.
————————-
This is Sunday 2003.07.26
Not a good day/evening. I took too many xanex’s and
lost my coordination in front of my mother, and she
got worried. They are will be gone soon so that
will not be a problem again, but I really wish that
had not happened.
————————-
This is Monday 2003.07.28
Was able to borrow car from mom for a couple of
hours, which was nice. My methadone stock has
become quite an issue. I have just under 2,000 ml
and if I sold it to strangers on the street I could
easily get $1 per ml ($2,000) but the risk is too
risky (especially with a 2 year Texas Warrant for my
arrest) to do it that way
.So I was hoping
that I could find a friend of a friend that is in
need but I’ve separated myself from junkie’s (heroin
and methadone) for so many years now that it is
becoming almost impossible to get rid of through the
relative safety of knowing the person buying and
that they aren’t going to try to kill themselves
with it. I have to raise money just because I must
have a “plan b” if Marc decides mailing is a bad
idea (will know more Wednesday Evening
.Sandra
says “don’t call us, we will call you”. They are
treating others as I speak. I had no idea how
fucked (financially, socially, school, etc) my life
has become. And with so much to be done it is very
very frustrating to have my energy stocks so low.
——————————————–
Today is Wednesday, 2003.07.30
Will know more this evening about 2nd dose
possibility. I am very surprised that it has been
over a week since I’ve been back to Dallas and I
still feel like the day I came back, plus a little
extra exercise soreness. I’ve been pushing myself
to exercise so my natural endorphins get up and
running again after not having to work for over 4
years. Been sleeping most nights thanks to my
Tamazepam Script (sleeping pills), but I think 2 or
3 nights I had to pull an all night. I am
exhausted, simply exhausted.
—————————————–
Tonight is 2003.07.31@21.17
I have not heard anything from Sandra, I just left a
message on her cell. She specifically said don’t
call me I’ll call you Wednesday, and tomorrow is
Friday and I still know nothing about if a 2nd dose
will happen, and if it does happen can I really
afford another plane ride to and from? I have
tasted methadone since I’ve been back, nothing more
then a taste (1 or 2 ml at the most), to be honest
I’ve done that 3 different times so far. The first
time did nothing to ease the sickness, nor the 2nd
time, but the 3rd time cut the edge off just enough
to get some exercise done. I need a shower and I am
still basically sick but know the weak must get
strong. And this is what I try to do, harness the
energy to get basic things done. I need to realize
I have a bad habit of getting ahead of myself and
Marc Emery says that this is when things usually
aren’t being done. When I talk real deep about the
future without any concern with the present actions
or consistency or persistence or patience that could
actually make it work, like how the sickness stays
strong and persistent. I am sore from exercise but
and have been getting strength from the
Rasta-Buddha, trying to do the right
thing
..the right thing. I really am having a
hard time keeping this off my mind, trying not to
wait, have too much to do, but still too weak to
maintain consistently. I am getting bursts of ‘no
more control’ don’t tread on me get the aldolphin
out of my system, syst m
SYST M
ONLY THE FITTEST OF THE FITTEST SHALL
SURVIVE
.STAY ALIVE
EVERY MAN THINKS HIS BURDON IS THE HEAVIEST
2003.07.31@22.26
Was going to try to put off calling Jolayne due to
it looking like I’m playing favorites, like when a
child doesnt’ get the answer s/he wants from
her dad and goes and gets an ok from mom. Jolayne
was on the road when she answered, luckily no one
was harmed while she was asking how I was doing
while driving. I feel much better just hearing a
voice, even if she isn’t able to call back in an
hour like she said, at least I got to hear a voice
of hope
strange, Texas seems so
hopeless, drains the hope right out of I and I,
mostly due to the paradox I find myself in in
regards to doing the work I and I need to get done,
while not endangering my family by making them show
up on SYST M’s radar screen, how do I do what needs
to be done without making my family a target for
military style raids?
“comin’ in from the cold, it’s you I’m chatting to,
WHY DO YOU LOOK SO
..?
WHEN ONE DOOR IS CLOSED
MANY ONE IS OPEN.
Would you make a syst m get on top of your head
again? No dread no.
The biggest man your ever going to see
Was once a baby
in this life
Any life
Any life
.
Many more will have to suffer
Many more will have to die
Don’t ask me why
ONE AND ALL GOT TO FACE REALITY
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
IF YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY YOU WILL HEAR
THERE IS A NATURAL MYSTIC BLOWING THROUGH THE AIR
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
WE THE YOUTH GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US.
And now you see the light, Stand up for your rights
Get up stand up, don’t give up the fight
We Jah people can make it work,
Come together and make it work.
Robert Nesta Marley
February 6, 1945 – May 11th 1981
HOPE 
———————————
Friday 2003.08.01@01:41
Talked to Jolayne, she is really a good person. She
told me not to hesitate to call, but I know that
they have way more important things to get done then
hearing about my drama, hell, I’m even sick of
hearing about my drama, and it’s just starting
(1,000 YARD STARES–PREPARATION FOR LONG FALLS).
The legal issues, I just hope they don’t ‘make an
example’ of me, I am very vulnerable to their
control, no $$$ for lawyer. Jolayne said that Marc
Emery just got back last night and they will talk
within’ the week, and she couldn’t promise an answer
about the decision for a 2nd iboga dose by next
Friday, but could promise a phone call by then.
Wish it wasn’t so difficult, especially since I had
the opportunity for a 2nd dose before I left and for
some stupid reason I refused, even though I was
sick. It is 0231 and I’m out of xanex, I’m almost
out of my sleeping medication Temazepam, and I am
almost out of herb. The only way around this shit is
through.
———————————–
Sunday 2003.08.03@10.25
Sickness has been playing with me a bit lately.
What I mean by this is that the sickness will act
like it is on the run (act like it is lessening) and
then come back for a push forward. It has been 2
weeks since I have returned from the iboga therapy
house. I am still very sick, but I would say that
it is very obvious that I am only facing maybe 2%-5%
of sickness that would be there if going cold-turkey
without iboga. I am still sensitive to light and
still am goose fleshed and still ache the ache of
the sickness in my vertebrae, my muscles, down to my
bones and joints. I am very positive that I would
have been broken long before now if I had tried this
without the iboga. But I do wish that I could have
had the trust in my government that they would
provide me with my prescribed mediation if
charged/or convicted of a crime. Untold numbers of
people have had to go cold turkey in jail. Poor
souls.
Let me also say on the issue of methadone patients
selling their methadone, that this wouldn’t happen
if even the new patients didn’t get a ‘Sunday take
home dose’ due to clinics being closed on Sunday.
They make rules saying the patient must come for
several years with clean Urine Analysis to qualify
for take homes, the rational being this will assure
that methadone isn’t being sold on the street.
Getting take home privileges helps so much to focus
on job or school, because the junkie isn’t reminded
every morning that s/he is a junkie (a failure
without hope) by having to go to the clinic to be
not sick. The hopelessness of a Methadone Clinic
waiting room cannot be overstated. I personally had
too many junkie “friends” that I didn’t look any of
the other methadone patients in the eye. I did not
need anymore junkie “friends”, my own life is
chaotic enough as it is.
The sickness has lessened around 15% with time and
at this rate I am fairly confident that by the end
of August (even without a second dose of iboga) this
drama should be behind me. The only way around this
shit is through.
————————————-
Monday. 2003.08.04@19.34
Today was ruff. I was unable to get any exercise
done due to a push forward from the sickness. It
seems to be concentrating in my vertebrae and
intestines, as opposed to the full body sickness of
before. I would say in my legs, joints, bones are
at least 30%-35% cut off of the sickness in. But
the sickness seems to be “consolidating it’s
resources” so to speak and targeting specific areas
of the body while at the same time retaining it’s
‘strong holds’, although less, in the rest of the
body. My heart rate has been pretty fast today, and
my blood pressure seems out of whack, might check it
this evening. A full month of this is what I have
to be prepared to withstand. All day I have been
able to feel my heart beat in the pit of my
intestines, not in a good way. By the way the
methadone stock pile is no more as of a few days
ago. I didn’t get the benefit of selling it, nor
the punishment of the risk of selling it. Tired of
talking about it, want it over and done with.
——————————-
Today is Tuesday, 2003.08.05@10.11
Checked my cannabis culture account and found this
message from Marc Emery dated 2003.07.21.19.11.
MONDAY.
IBOGA REPORT:
I left for YVR International Airport from D/FW on
Saturday, 20030712@2000 on flight 395 and returned
to D/FW on Friday, 20030718@1337 on flight 1390. I
have been on 263 ml (10 mg per 1 ml) of Methadone
Hydrochloride since the first months of 2000.
Methadone is far more physically addicting then
heroin or morphine. Basically, a junkie on heroin
who has used consistently for 20 years will
experience in most cases 7-10 days of sickness if
going cold turkey (in extreme cases 2 weeks). If
the 20 year heroin junkie was to go to a Methadone
clinic in Texas, the clinic will start the junkie
off at 30 ml and raise the dose until the junkie is
“stable” (not sick) enough to start working down the
dose, most of the time with the junkie’s knowledge
(non-blind). If a junkie who has used Methadone
(or in worst cases Orlaam) will go through much,
much more sickness and it will last much, much
longer, and can be fatal.
Although I do think Methadone is much more
preferable way to be a junkie because of a stable
and reliable supply (unless charged with arrest), I
do not think Methadone is better, in any way, then
Heroin. In my humble opinion, the reason Methadone
clinics work so well is because they give the opiate
junkie a consistent supply of their ‘dose’,
something that is impossible on the black market for
long periods of time. In other words, junkies are
only a problem when they don’t have the ‘dose’ that
will take away (and eventually cause) ‘the sickness/
cold-burn’. When the dose supply is unreliable, the
majority of the junkie’s time is spent attempting to
obtain a supply and school and job become secondary
priorities. It is also much harder to get through
a shift at work if too dope sick. With Methadone
this is not as much of an issue and thus allows the
junkie to very rarely feel ‘dope sick’ if not
accused of a crime so the junkie can spend his/her
time becoming a productive member of society like
finding and keeping employment and finding funds and
time for school, even though the Higher Education
Act tries to prevent the junkies from becoming
productive members of society by preventing funding
to “drug offenders” but does not limit the funds for
convicted rapists or murderers.
Let me say very briefly that the fact that I could
not receive my prescribed medication if accused of
ANY crime has made me borderline paranoid. The fact
that if I look at a police officer wrong I could be
detained without my prescribed medication, is a
method of control far greater then anything seen
since Methadone was called Aldolphine (after
Hitler). The risk of being instantly sick if
accused of a crime is enough to make one paranoid of
the outside world, not wanting to risk a ride up the
road for groceries because I could be pulled over.
I, like most junkies, have not only a criminal
record, but have had a warrant for my arrest (for a
joint of marijuana) for almost two years now. If I
could of received my prescribed mediation in jail, I
would most likely have remained on methadone for the
rest of my life. But the thought of going
cold-turkey from 263 ml of methadone, it simply
would have broken me. Luckily, Marc Emery’s iboga
therapy house (ibogatherapyhouse.org) accepted me
for treatment, so now I can face these legal issues
without the fear of being broken by the sickness.
Marc Emery has literally saved my life.
The last time I tried to take on the sickness, was
when I was on Orlaam ( a time released synthetic
opiate where one dose can last you 72 hours, unlike
the 24 hours one dose of Methadone will ‘give’ you,
or the 4-6 hours of non-sickness that street heroin
will ‘give’ you). It was June of 1999 and I could
no longer afford to keep going to the clinic due to
lack of money. They did not inform me at the time
that there are free clinics.
I slept 4 hours the entire 6 weeks of indescribable
sickness/cold-burn. I had no trouble keeping a job
prior to then, since then
.let’s just say
that experience effected my life in a very negative
way and more then 4 doctors have “diagnosed” me with
post traumatic stress disorder, but their synthetic
‘medicine’, called anti-depressants and this and
that, and I gave more then 4 different one’s a
chance but all make me very not good as far as
being healthy in the mind. This is where my
sacrament and use of herb has helped beyond
anything. The only negative effect of the herb is
from the prohibition of it. In fact Texas is after
me as we speak for less then a joint of herb.
My dose of iboga was 4,200, by means of a 400 test
dose followed by the remaining 20 something 00
capsules of crushed iboga root bark. I was unable
to keep any food down my entire time in BC, I lost
11 pounds in 6 days, which I was o.k. with because
methadone seems to make people bloated (and
constipated- I won’t miss wiping blood after I shit
that’s for sure : ).
I was greeted at the YVR airport by Jolayne who was
very nice and compassionate, and looks exactly like
my little step-sister. She took me to the bed and
breakfast where I stayed Saturday 2003.07.12 and
Sunday 2003.07.13. I had neither methadone, iboga,
or sleeping aid’s during my stay. On Saturday,
Jolayne was nice enough to take me to W. Hastings
and got to smoke some herb at the Amsterdam Café.
The most inspiring thing (besides the organizational
and entrepreneurial genius of the bc party ) was a
small iboga plant in the window, such a small
delicate plant, and I got a little concerned that
such a delicate plant couldn’t possibly keep up and
beat the Goliath Monster of opiate physical
sickness, then I looked around me at the hope and
progress of our movement and I realized I was
exactly where I was supposed to be and am very lucky
for being able to stand where I was standing,
breathing the air of the healing Pacific.
Yes the sickness had been creeping up a bit and the
full fledged sickness was definitely in the mail,
but then I got to meet Marc Emery, I have never met
a man like Marc, I had never experienced a more
self-less human being, he reminds me of like a
modern day Buddha. Marc invited me, to him a total
stranger, to go down stairs and gave me a joints
worth of blueberry. I got to meet Dana, who I have
much respect for, as well as Chris and plenty of
good people. Getting to hear a pot-tv.ca show being
made upstairs while cleaning the blueberry, got
lots of looks for ‘cleaning my herb’, I guess when
you don’t have to smoke Mexican shwag you don’t have
to worry about the stems: )
Being there was the highlight of my trip. I spent a
couple of hours there until Jolayne came and took me
to the iboga therapy house.
That evening I started having trouble keeping
anything down (even water), so it was kind of a
mixed blessing sitting up in the bed with Marc Emery
sitting on the side of the bed handing me 00 cap
after 00 cap after 00 cap full of iboga root. And
if I couldn’t keep it down, they would get some
gloves get the iboga out and re-cap it for me to try
again.
The hallucinations weren’t as intense as I had
anticipated but that is perfectly ok with me. I had
plenty of extreme hallucinogenic experience as a kid
and have had plenty of the pure panic-trips. So
that was my main focus during the iboga experience,
DON’T PANIC, like the cover of the hitchhikers guide
to the galaxy.
I was and still am very sensitive to light. I would
say the iboga took away at least 90% of my sickness,
and from what I have heard and read most junkies who
use iboga to kick do not experience any withdrawal
signs at all, but I was on a very high dose of
methadone for too long. The remaining sickness
was/is very difficult to deal with because to be
honest, my expectations where too much. I was
expecting the iboga to take away the sickness like
methadone (methadone doesn’t get me high, just
not-sick) with hallucinations, I didn’t realize how
much work it would be.
I have read many times that a junkies first iboga
trip is fairly subtle, and if they do a 2nd dose
that the iboga is like “oh you didn’t get it last
time huh? Well try this on for size!! BOOM”, not
that I’m looking for boom but I do not like being
unprepared for any surprises and want to be mentally
prepared if that happens. Not only do Marc, Sandra,
and Jolayne say a second dose greatly increases
one’s success rate, but nearly every paper I’ve read
on iboga/ibogaine recommends a 2nd dose for a better
success rate. I think my expectations for the 2nd
dose are it taking away the remainder of the
sickness and will let me move on.
————————-
This is Wednesday 2003.07.23. I am still very sick,
but feel blessed because I know it would be so much
worse going cold turkey without the iboga. There is
no doubt in me that if I had tried this without the
iboga I would have been broken by the sickness by
now. I am very, very tired, not sleepy tired,
exhausted tired.
————————-
This is Sunday 2003.07.26
Not a good day/evening. I took too many xanex’s and
lost my coordination in front of my mother, and she
got worried. They are will be gone soon so that
will not be a problem again, but I really wish that
had not happened.
————————-
This is Monday 2003.07.28
Was able to borrow car from mom for a couple of
hours, which was nice. My methadone stock has
become quite an issue. I have just under 2,000 ml
and if I sold it to strangers on the street I could
easily get $1 per ml ($2,000) but the risk is too
risky (especially with a 2 year Texas Warrant for my
arrest) to do it that way
.So I was hoping
that I could find a friend of a friend that is in
need but I’ve separated myself from junkie’s (heroin
and methadone) for so many years now that it is
becoming almost impossible to get rid of through the
relative safety of knowing the person buying and
that they aren’t going to try to kill themselves
with it. I have to raise money just because I must
have a “plan b” if Marc decides mailing is a bad
idea (will know more Wednesday Evening
.Sandra
says “don’t call us, we will call you”. They are
treating others as I speak. I had no idea how
fucked (financially, socially, school, etc) my life
has become. And with so much to be done it is very
very frustrating to have my energy stocks so low.
——————————————–
Today is Wednesday, 2003.07.30
Will know more this evening about 2nd dose
possibility. I am very surprised that it has been
over a week since I’ve been back to Dallas and I
still feel like the day I came back, plus a little
extra exercise soreness. I’ve been pushing myself
to exercise so my natural endorphins get up and
running again after not having to work for over 4
years. Been sleeping most nights thanks to my
Tamazepam Script (sleeping pills), but I think 2 or
3 nights I had to pull an all night. I am
exhausted, simply exhausted.
—————————————–
Tonight is 2003.07.31@21.17
I have not heard anything from Sandra, I just left a
message on her cell. She specifically said don’t
call me I’ll call you Wednesday, and tomorrow is
Friday and I still know nothing about if a 2nd dose
will happen, and if it does happen can I really
afford another plane ride to and from? I have
tasted methadone since I’ve been back, nothing more
then a taste (1 or 2 ml at the most), to be honest
I’ve done that 3 different times so far. The first
time did nothing to ease the sickness, nor the 2nd
time, but the 3rd time cut the edge off just enough
to get some exercise done. I need a shower and I am
still basically sick but know the weak must get
strong. And this is what I try to do, harness the
energy to get basic things done. I need to realize
I have a bad habit of getting ahead of myself and
Marc Emery says that this is when things usually
aren’t being done. When I talk real deep about the
future without any concern with the present actions
or consistency or persistence or patience that could
actually make it work, like how the sickness stays
strong and persistent. I am sore from exercise but
and have been getting strength from the
Rasta-Buddha, trying to do the right
thing
..the right thing. I really am having a
hard time keeping this off my mind, trying not to
wait, have too much to do, but still too weak to
maintain consistently. I am getting bursts of ‘no
more control’ don’t tread on me get the aldolphin
out of my system, syst m
SYST M
ONLY THE FITTEST OF THE FITTEST SHALL
SURVIVE
.STAY ALIVE
EVERY MAN THINKS HIS BURDON IS THE HEAVIEST
2003.07.31@22.26
Was going to try to put off calling Jolayne due to
it looking like I’m playing favorites, like when a
child doesnt’ get the answer s/he wants from
her dad and goes and gets an ok from mom. Jolayne
was on the road when she answered, luckily no one
was harmed while she was asking how I was doing
while driving. I feel much better just hearing a
voice, even if she isn’t able to call back in an
hour like she said, at least I got to hear a voice
of hope
strange, Texas seems so
hopeless, drains the hope right out of I and I,
mostly due to the paradox I find myself in in
regards to doing the work I and I need to get done,
while not endangering my family by making them show
up on SYST M’s radar screen, how do I do what needs
to be done without making my family a target for
military style raids?
“comin’ in from the cold, it’s you I’m chatting to,
WHY DO YOU LOOK SO
..?
WHEN ONE DOOR IS CLOSED
MANY ONE IS OPEN.
Would you make a syst m get on top of your head
again? No dread no.
The biggest man your ever going to see
Was once a baby
in this life
Any life
Any life
.
Many more will have to suffer
Many more will have to die
Don’t ask me why
ONE AND ALL GOT TO FACE REALITY
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
IF YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY YOU WILL HEAR
THERE IS A NATURAL MYSTIC BLOWING THROUGH THE AIR
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
WE THE YOUTH GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US.
And now you see the light, Stand up for your rights
Get up stand up, don’t give up the fight
We Jah people can make it work,
Come together and make it work.
Robert Nesta Marley
February 6, 1945 – May 11th 1981
HOPE 
———————————
Friday 2003.08.01@01:41
Talked to Jolayne, she is really a good person. She
told me not to hesitate to call, but I know that
they have way more important things to get done then
hearing about my drama, hell, I’m even sick of
hearing about my drama, and it’s just starting
(1,000 YARD STARES–PREPARATION FOR LONG FALLS).
The legal issues, I just hope they don’t ‘make an
example’ of me, I am very vulnerable to their
control, no $$$ for lawyer. Jolayne said that Marc
Emery just got back last night and they will talk
within’ the week, and she couldn’t promise an answer
about the decision for a 2nd iboga dose by next
Friday, but could promise a phone call by then.
Wish it wasn’t so difficult, especially since I had
the opportunity for a 2nd dose before I left and for
some stupid reason I refused, even though I was
sick. It is 0231 and I’m out of xanex, I’m almost
out of my sleeping medication Temazepam, and I am
almost out of herb. The only way around this shit is
through.
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Sunday 2003.08.03@10.25
Sickness has been playing with me a bit lately.
What I mean by this is that the sickness will act
like it is on the run (act like it is lessening) and
then come back for a push forward. It has been 2
weeks since I have returned from the iboga therapy
house. I am still very sick, but I would say that
it is very obvious that I am only facing maybe 2%-5%
of sickness that would be there if going cold-turkey
without iboga. I am still sensitive to light and
still am goose fleshed and still ache the ache of
the sickness in my vertebrae, my muscles, down to my
bones and joints. I am very positive that I would
have been broken long before now if I had tried this
without the iboga. But I do wish that I could have
had the trust in my government that they would
provide me with my prescribed mediation if
charged/or convicted of a crime. Untold numbers of
people have had to go cold turkey in jail. Poor
souls.
Let me also say on the issue of methadone patients
selling their methadone, that this wouldn’t happen
if even the new patients didn’t get a ‘Sunday take
home dose’ due to clinics being closed on Sunday.
They make rules saying the patient must come for
several years with clean Urine Analysis to qualify
for take homes, the rational being this will assure
that methadone isn’t being sold on the street.
Getting take home privileges helps so much to focus
on job or school, because the junkie isn’t reminded
every morning that s/he is a junkie (a failure
without hope) by having to go to the clinic to be
not sick. The hopelessness of a Methadone Clinic
waiting room cannot be overstated. I personally had
too many junkie “friends” that I didn’t look any of
the other methadone patients in the eye. I did not
need anymore junkie “friends”, my own life is
chaotic enough as it is.
The sickness has lessened around 15% with time and
at this rate I am fairly confident that by the end
of August (even without a second dose of iboga) this
drama should be behind me. The only way around this
shit is through.
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Monday. 2003.08.04@19.34
Today was ruff. I was unable to get any exercise
done due to a push forward from the sickness. It
seems to be concentrating in my vertebrae and
intestines, as opposed to the full body sickness of
before. I would say in my legs, joints, bones are
at least 30%-35% cut off of the sickness in. But
the sickness seems to be “consolidating it’s
resources” so to speak and targeting specific areas
of the body while at the same time retaining it’s
‘strong holds’, although less, in the rest of the
body. My heart rate has been pretty fast today, and
my blood pressure seems out of whack, might check it
this evening. A full month of this is what I have
to be prepared to withstand. All day I have been
able to feel my heart beat in the pit of my
intestines, not in a good way. By the way the
methadone stock pile is no more as of a few days
ago. I didn’t get the benefit of selling it, nor
the punishment of the risk of selling it. Tired of
talking about it, want it over and done with.
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Today is Tuesday, 2003.08.05@10.11
Checked my cannabis culture account and found this
message from Marc Emery that he sent on Tue Jul 29
2003 07:34 AM :
Re: 2nd iboga dose?
From: Marc Scott Emery
What decision? I presume you are already booked for
your second treatment at the end of August or first
week in September?
I am genuinely surprised you are still sick after
all this time after. If you stick with it,, I know
you will be completely clear after the second
treatment. What date have they given you to return,
Jason?
Marc
I took my blood pressure last night twice…149 over
89– pulse 105 and the 2nd one was 151 over 78–
pulse 108. I have no idea what that means but i
assume that since it isn’t normal, that the sickness
isn’t in my head and that is comforting.
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From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: [ibogaine] iboga vs. 263 ml Methadone: report filed incomplete
Date: August 5, 2003 at 6:12:12 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@ibogaine.org, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
2003.07.21.19.11.
MONDAY.
IBOGA REPORT:
I left for YVR International Airport from D/FW on Saturday, 20030712@2000 on flight 395 and returned to D/FW on Friday, 20030718@1337 on flight 1390. I have been on 263 ml (10 mg per 1 ml) of Methadone Hydrochloride since the first months of 2000. Methadone is far more physically addicting then heroin or morphine. Basically, a junkie on heroin who has used consistently for 20 years will experience in most cases 7-10 days of sickness if going cold turkey (in extreme cases 2 weeks). If the 20 year heroin junkie was to go to a Methadone clinic in Texas, the clinic will start the junkie off at 30 ml and raise the dose until the junkie is “stable” (not sick) enough to start working down the dose, most of the time with the junkie’s knowledge (non-blind). If a junkie who has used Methadone (or in worst cases Orlaam) will go through much, much more sickness and it will last much, much longer, and can be fatal.
Although I do think Methadone is much more preferable way to be a junkie because of a stable and reliable supply (unless charged with arrest), I do not think Methadone is better, in any way, then Heroin. In my humble opinion, the reason Methadone clinics work so well is because they give the opiate junkie a consistent supply of their ‘dose’, something that is impossible on the black market for long periods of time. In other words, junkies are only a problem when they don’t have the ‘dose’ that will take away (and eventually cause) ‘the sickness/ cold-burn’. When the dose supply is unreliable, the majority of the junkie’s time is spent attempting to obtain a supply and school and job become secondary priorities. It is also much harder to get through a shift at work if too dope sick. With Methadone this is not as much of an issue and thus allows the junkie to very rarely feel ‘dope sick’ if not accused of a crime so the junkie can spend his/her time becoming a productive member of society like finding and keeping employment and finding funds and time for school, even though the Higher Education Act tries to prevent the junkies from becoming productive members of society by preventing funding to “drug offenders” but does not limit the funds for convicted rapists or murderers.
Let me say very briefly that the fact that I could not receive my prescribed medication if accused of ANY crime has made me borderline paranoid. The fact that if I look at a police officer wrong I could be detained without my prescribed medication, is a method of control far greater then anything seen since Methadone was called Aldolphine (after Hitler). The risk of being instantly sick if accused of a crime is enough to make one paranoid of the outside world, not wanting to risk a ride up the road for groceries because I could be pulled over. I, like most junkies, have not only a criminal record, but have had a warrant for my arrest (for a joint of marijuana) for almost two years now. If I could of received my prescribed mediation in jail, I would most likely have remained on methadone for the rest of my life. But the thought of going cold-turkey from 263 ml of methadone, it simply would have broken me. Luckily, Marc Emery’s iboga therapy house (ibogatherapyhouse.org) accepted me for treatment, so now I can face these legal issues without the fear of being broken by the sickness. Marc Emery has literally saved my life.
The last time I tried to take on the sickness, was when I was on Orlaam ( a time released synthetic opiate where one dose can last you 72 hours, unlike the 24 hours one dose of Methadone will ‘give’ you, or the 4-6 hours of non-sickness that street heroin will ‘give’ you). It was June of 1999 and I could no longer afford to keep going to the clinic due to lack of money. They did not inform me at the time that there are free clinics.
I slept 4 hours the entire 6 weeks of indescribable sickness/cold-burn. I had no trouble keeping a job prior to then, since then ….let’s just say that experience effected my life in a very negative way and more then 4 doctors have “diagnosed” me with post traumatic stress disorder, but their synthetic ‘medicine’, called anti-depressants and this and that, and I gave more then 4 different one’s a chance but all make me very not good as far as being healthy in the mind. This is where my sacrament and use of herb has helped beyond anything. The only negative effect of the herb is from the prohibition of it. In fact Texas is after me as we speak for less then a joint of herb.
My dose of iboga was 4,200, by means of a 400 test dose followed by the remaining 20 something 00 capsules of crushed iboga root bark. I was unable to keep any food down my entire time in BC, I lost 11 pounds in 6 days, which I was o.k. with because methadone seems to make people bloated (and constipated- I won’t miss wiping blood after I shit that’s for sure : ).
I was greeted at the YVR airport by Jolayne who was very nice and compassionate, and looks exactly like my little step-sister. She took me to the bed and breakfast where I stayed Saturday 2003.07.12 and Sunday 2003.07.13. I had neither methadone, iboga, or sleeping aid’s during my stay. On Saturday, Jolayne was nice enough to take me to W. Hastings and got to smoke some herb at the Amsterdam Café. The most inspiring thing (besides the organizational and entrepreneurial genius of the bc party ) was a small iboga plant in the window, such a small delicate plant, and I got a little concerned that such a delicate plant couldn’t possibly keep up and beat the Goliath Monster of opiate physical sickness, then I looked around me at the hope and progress of our movement and I realized I was exactly where I was supposed to be and am very lucky for being able to stand where I was standing, breathing the air of the healing Pacific.
Yes the sickness had been creeping up a bit and the full fledged sickness was definitely in the mail, but then I got to meet Marc Emery, I have never met a man like Marc, I had never experienced a more self-less human being, he reminds me of like a modern day Buddha. Marc invited me, to him a total stranger, to go down stairs and gave me a joints worth of blueberry. I got to meet Dana, who I have much respect for, as well as Chris and plenty of good people. Getting to hear a pot-tv.ca show being made upstairs while cleaning the blueberry, got lots of looks for ‘cleaning my herb’, I guess when you don’t have to smoke Mexican shwag you don’t have to worry about the stems: )
Being there was the highlight of my trip. I spent a couple of hours there until Jolayne came and took me to the iboga therapy house.
That evening I started having trouble keeping anything down (even water), so it was kind of a mixed blessing sitting up in the bed with Marc Emery sitting on the side of the bed handing me 00 cap after 00 cap after 00 cap full of iboga root. And if I couldn’t keep it down, they would get some gloves get the iboga out and re-cap it for me to try again.
The hallucinations weren’t as intense as I had anticipated but that is perfectly ok with me. I had plenty of extreme hallucinogenic experience as a kid and have had plenty of the pure panic-trips. So that was my main focus during the iboga experience, DON’T PANIC, like the cover of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
I was and still am very sensitive to light. I would say the iboga took away at least 90% of my sickness, and from what I have heard and read most junkies who use iboga to kick do not experience any withdrawal signs at all, but I was on a very high dose of methadone for too long. The remaining sickness was/is very difficult to deal with because to be honest, my expectations where too much. I was expecting the iboga to take away the sickness like methadone (methadone doesn’t get me high, just not-sick) with hallucinations, I didn’t realize how much work it would be.
I have read many times that a junkies first iboga trip is fairly subtle, and if they do a 2nd dose that the iboga is like “oh you didn’t get it last time huh? Well try this on for size!! BOOM”, not that I’m looking for boom but I do not like being unprepared for any surprises and want to be mentally prepared if that happens. Not only do Marc, Sandra, and Jolayne say a second dose greatly increases one’s success rate, but nearly every paper I’ve read on iboga/ibogaine recommends a 2nd dose for a better success rate. I think my expectations for the 2nd dose are it taking away the remainder of the sickness and will let me move on.
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This is Wednesday 2003.07.23. I am still very sick, but feel blessed because I know it would be so much worse going cold turkey without the iboga. There is no doubt in me that if I had tried this without the iboga I would have been broken by the sickness by now. I am very, very tired, not sleepy tired, exhausted tired.
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This is Sunday 2003.07.26
Not a good day/evening. I took too many xanex’s and lost my coordination in front of my mother, and she got worried. They are will be gone soon so that will not be a problem again, but I really wish that had not happened.
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This is Monday 2003.07.28
Was able to borrow car from mom for a couple of hours, which was nice. My methadone stock has become quite an issue. I have just under 2,000 ml and if I sold it to strangers on the street I could easily get $1 per ml ($2,000) but the risk is too risky (especially with a 2 year Texas Warrant for my arrest) to do it that way….So I was hoping that I could find a friend of a friend that is in need but I’ve separated myself from junkie’s (heroin and methadone) for so many years now that it is becoming almost impossible to get rid of through the relative safety of knowing the person buying and that they aren’t going to try to kill themselves with it. I have to raise money just because I must have a “plan b” if Marc decides mailing is a bad idea (will know more Wednesday Evening….Sandra says “don’t call us, we will call you”. They are treating others as I speak. I had no idea how fucked (financially, socially, school, etc) my life has become. And with so much to be done it is very very frustrating to have my energy stocks so low.
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Today is Wednesday, 2003.07.30
Will know more this evening about 2nd dose possibility. I am very surprised that it has been over a week since I’ve been back to Dallas and I still feel like the day I came back, plus a little extra exercise soreness. I’ve been pushing myself to exercise so my natural endorphins get up and running again after not having to work for over 4 years. Been sleeping most nights thanks to my Tamazepam Script (sleeping pills), but I think 2 or 3 nights I had to pull an all night. I am exhausted, simply exhausted.
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Tonight is 2003.07.31@21.17
I have not heard anything from Sandra, I just left a message on her cell. She specifically said don’t call me I’ll call you Wednesday, and tomorrow is Friday and I still know nothing about if a 2nd dose will happen, and if it does happen can I really afford another plane ride to and from? I have tasted methadone since I’ve been back, nothing more then a taste (1 or 2 ml at the most), to be honest I’ve done that 3 different times so far. The first time did nothing to ease the sickness, nor the 2nd time, but the 3rd time cut the edge off just enough to get some exercise done. I need a shower and I am still basically sick but know the weak must get strong. And this is what I try to do, harness the energy to get basic things done. I need to realize I have a bad habit of getting ahead of myself and Marc Emery says that this is when things usually aren’t being done. When I talk real deep about the future without any concern with the present actions or consistency or persistence or patience that could actually make it work, like how the sickness stays strong and persistent. I am sore from exercise but and have been getting strength from the Rasta-Buddha, trying to do the right thing…..the right thing. I really am having a hard time keeping this off my mind, trying not to wait, have too much to do, but still too weak to maintain consistently. I am getting bursts of ‘no more control’ don’t tread on me get the aldolphin out of my system, syst m
SYST M
ONLY THE FITTEST OF THE FITTEST SHALL SURVIVE….STAY ALIVE
EVERY MAN THINKS HIS BURDON IS THE HEAVIEST
2003.07.31@22.26
Was going to try to put off calling Jolayne due to it looking like I’m playing favorites, like when a child doesn’t’ get the answer s/he wants from her dad and goes and gets an ok from mom. Jolayne was on the road when she answered, luckily no one was harmed while she was asking how I was doing while driving. I feel much better just hearing a voice, even if she isn’t able to call back in an hour like she said, at least I got to hear a voice of hope………strange, Texas seems so hopeless, drains the hope right out of I and I, mostly due to the paradox I find myself in in regards to doing the work I and I need to get done, while not endangering my family by making them show up on SYST M’s radar screen, how do I do what needs to be done without making my family a target for military style raids?
“comin’ in from the cold, it’s you I’m chatting to,
WHY DO YOU LOOK SO…..?
WHEN ONE DOOR IS CLOSED
MANY ONE IS OPEN.
Would you make a syst m get on top of your head again? No dread no.
The biggest man your ever going to see
Was once a baby
in this life
Any life
Any life….
Many more will have to suffer
Many more will have to die
Don’t ask me why
ONE AND ALL GOT TO FACE REALITY
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
IF YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY YOU WILL HEAR
THERE IS A NATURAL MYSTIC BLOWING THROUGH THE AIR
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
WE THE YOUTH GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US.
And now you see the light, Stand up for your rights
Get up stand up, don’t give up the fight
We Jah people can make it work,
Come together and make it work.
Robert Nesta Marley
February 6, 1945 – May 11th 1981
HOPE 
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Friday 2003.08.01@01:41
Talked to Jolayne, she is really a good person. She told me not to hesitate to call, but I know that they have way more important things to get done then hearing about my drama, hell, I’m even sick of hearing about my drama, and it’s just starting (1,000 YARD STARES–PREPARATION FOR LONG FALLS). The legal issues, I just hope they don’t ‘make an example’ of me, I am very vulnerable to their control, no $$$ for lawyer. Jolayne said that Marc Emery just got back last night and they will talk within’ the week, and she couldn’t promise an answer about the decision for a 2nd iboga dose by next Friday, but could promise a phone call by then. Wish it wasn’t so difficult, especially since I had the opportunity for a 2nd dose before I left and for some stupid reason I refused, even though I was sick. It is 0231 and I’m out of xanex, I’m almost out of my sleeping medication Temazepam, and I am almost out of herb. The only way around this shit is through.
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Sunday 2003.08.03@10.25
Sickness has been playing with me a bit lately. What I mean by this is that the sickness will act like it is on the run (act like it is lessening) and then come back for a push forward. It has been 2 weeks since I have returned from the iboga therapy house. I am still very sick, but I would say that it is very obvious that I am only facing maybe 2%-5% of sickness that would be there if going cold-turkey without iboga. I am still sensitive to light and still am goose fleshed and still ache the ache of the sickness in my vertebrae, my muscles, down to my bones and joints. I am very positive that I would have been broken long before now if I had tried this without the iboga. But I do wish that I could have had the trust in my government that they would provide me with my prescribed mediation if charged/or convicted of a crime. Untold numbers of people have had to go cold turkey in jail. Poor souls.
Let me also say on the issue of methadone patients selling their methadone, that this wouldn’t happen if even the new patients didn’t get a ‘Sunday take home dose’ due to clinics being closed on Sunday. They make rules saying the patient must come for several years with clean Urine Analysis to qualify for take homes, the rational being this will assure that methadone isn’t being sold on the street. Getting take home privileges helps so much to focus on job or school, because the junkie isn’t reminded every morning that s/he is a junkie (a failure without hope) by having to go to the clinic to be not sick. The hopelessness of a Methadone Clinic waiting room cannot be overstated. I personally had too many junkie “friends” that I didn’t look any of the other methadone patients in the eye. I did not need anymore junkie “friends”, my own life is chaotic enough as it is.
The sickness has lessened around 15% with time and at this rate I am fairly confident that by the end of August (even without a second dose of iboga) this drama should be behind me. The only way around this shit is through.
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Monday. 2003.08.04@19.34
Today was ruff. I was unable to get any exercise done due to a push forward from the sickness. It seems to be concentrating in my vertebrae and intestines, as opposed to the full body sickness of before. I would say in my legs, joints, bones are at least 30%-35% cut off of the sickness in. But the sickness seems to be “consolidating it’s resources” so to speak and targeting specific areas of the body while at the same time retaining it’s ‘strong holds’, although less, in the rest of the body. My heart rate has been pretty fast today, and my blood pressure seems out of whack, might check it this evening. A full month of this is what I have to be prepared to withstand. All day I have been able to feel my heart beat in the pit of my intestines, not in a good way. By the way the methadone stock pile is no more as of a few days ago. I didn’t get the benefit of selling it, nor the punishment of the risk of selling it. Tired of talking about it, want it over and done with.
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Today is Tuesday, 2003.08.05@10.11
Checked my cannabis culture account and found this message from Marc Emery dated 2003.07.21.19.11.
MONDAY.
IBOGA REPORT:
I left for YVR International Airport from D/FW on Saturday, 20030712@2000 on flight 395 and returned to D/FW on Friday, 20030718@1337 on flight 1390. I have been on 263 ml (10 mg per 1 ml) of Methadone Hydrochloride since the first months of 2000. Methadone is far more physically addicting then heroin or morphine. Basically, a junkie on heroin who has used consistently for 20 years will experience in most cases 7-10 days of sickness if going cold turkey (in extreme cases 2 weeks). If the 20 year heroin junkie was to go to a Methadone clinic in Texas, the clinic will start the junkie off at 30 ml and raise the dose until the junkie is “stable” (not sick) enough to start working down the dose, most of the time with the junkie’s knowledge (non-blind). If a junkie who has used Methadone (or in worst cases Orlaam) will go through much, much more sickness and it will last much, much longer, and can be fatal.
Although I do think Methadone is much more preferable way to be a junkie because of a stable and reliable supply (unless charged with arrest), I do not think Methadone is better, in any way, then Heroin. In my humble opinion, the reason Methadone clinics work so well is because they give the opiate junkie a consistent supply of their ‘dose’, something that is impossible on the black market for long periods of time. In other words, junkies are only a problem when they don’t have the ‘dose’ that will take away (and eventually cause) ‘the sickness/ cold-burn’. When the dose supply is unreliable, the majority of the junkie’s time is spent attempting to obtain a supply and school and job become secondary priorities. It is also much harder to get through a shift at work if too dope sick. With Methadone this is not as much of an issue and thus allows the junkie to very rarely feel ‘dope sick’ if not accused of a crime so the junkie can spend his/her time becoming a productive member of society like finding and keeping employment and finding funds and time for school, even though the Higher Education Act tries to prevent the junkies from becoming productive members of society by preventing funding to “drug offenders” but does not limit the funds for convicted rapists or murderers.
Let me say very briefly that the fact that I could not receive my prescribed medication if accused of ANY crime has made me borderline paranoid. The fact that if I look at a police officer wrong I could be detained without my prescribed medication, is a method of control far greater then anything seen since Methadone was called Aldolphine (after Hitler). The risk of being instantly sick if accused of a crime is enough to make one paranoid of the outside world, not wanting to risk a ride up the road for groceries because I could be pulled over. I, like most junkies, have not only a criminal record, but have had a warrant for my arrest (for a joint of marijuana) for almost two years now. If I could of received my prescribed mediation in jail, I would most likely have remained on methadone for the rest of my life. But the thought of going cold-turkey from 263 ml of methadone, it simply would have broken me. Luckily, Marc Emery’s iboga therapy house (ibogatherapyhouse.org) accepted me for treatment, so now I can face these legal issues without the fear of being broken by the sickness. Marc Emery has literally saved my life.
The last time I tried to take on the sickness, was when I was on Orlaam ( a time released synthetic opiate where one dose can last you 72 hours, unlike the 24 hours one dose of Methadone will ‘give’ you, or the 4-6 hours of non-sickness that street heroin will ‘give’ you). It was June of 1999 and I could no longer afford to keep going to the clinic due to lack of money. They did not inform me at the time that there are free clinics.
I slept 4 hours the entire 6 weeks of indescribable sickness/cold-burn. I had no trouble keeping a job prior to then, since then ….let’s just say that experience effected my life in a very negative way and more then 4 doctors have “diagnosed” me with post traumatic stress disorder, but their synthetic ‘medicine’, called anti-depressants and this and that, and I gave more then 4 different one’s a chance but all make me very not good as far as being healthy in the mind. This is where my sacrament and use of herb has helped beyond anything. The only negative effect of the herb is from the prohibition of it. In fact Texas is after me as we speak for less then a joint of herb.
My dose of iboga was 4,200, by means of a 400 test dose followed by the remaining 20 something 00 capsules of crushed iboga root bark. I was unable to keep any food down my entire time in BC, I lost 11 pounds in 6 days, which I was o.k. with because methadone seems to make people bloated (and constipated- I won’t miss wiping blood after I shit that’s for sure : ).
I was greeted at the YVR airport by Jolayne who was very nice and compassionate, and looks exactly like my little step-sister. She took me to the bed and breakfast where I stayed Saturday 2003.07.12 and Sunday 2003.07.13. I had neither methadone, iboga, or sleeping aid’s during my stay. On Saturday, Jolayne was nice enough to take me to W. Hastings and got to smoke some herb at the Amsterdam Café. The most inspiring thing (besides the organizational and entrepreneurial genius of the bc party ) was a small iboga plant in the window, such a small delicate plant, and I got a little concerned that such a delicate plant couldn’t possibly keep up and beat the Goliath Monster of opiate physical sickness, then I looked around me at the hope and progress of our movement and I realized I was exactly where I was supposed to be and am very lucky for being able to stand where I was standing, breathing the air of the healing Pacific.
Yes the sickness had been creeping up a bit and the full fledged sickness was definitely in the mail, but then I got to meet Marc Emery, I have never met a man like Marc, I had never experienced a more self-less human being, he reminds me of like a modern day Buddha. Marc invited me, to him a total stranger, to go down stairs and gave me a joints worth of blueberry. I got to meet Dana, who I have much respect for, as well as Chris and plenty of good people. Getting to hear a pot-tv.ca show being made upstairs while cleaning the blueberry, got lots of looks for ‘cleaning my herb’, I guess when you don’t have to smoke Mexican shwag you don’t have to worry about the stems: )
Being there was the highlight of my trip. I spent a couple of hours there until Jolayne came and took me to the iboga therapy house.
That evening I started having trouble keeping anything down (even water), so it was kind of a mixed blessing sitting up in the bed with Marc Emery sitting on the side of the bed handing me 00 cap after 00 cap after 00 cap full of iboga root. And if I couldn’t keep it down, they would get some gloves get the iboga out and re-cap it for me to try again.
The hallucinations weren’t as intense as I had anticipated but that is perfectly ok with me. I had plenty of extreme hallucinogenic experience as a kid and have had plenty of the pure panic-trips. So that was my main focus during the iboga experience, DON’T PANIC, like the cover of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
I was and still am very sensitive to light. I would say the iboga took away at least 90% of my sickness, and from what I have heard and read most junkies who use iboga to kick do not experience any withdrawal signs at all, but I was on a very high dose of methadone for too long. The remaining sickness was/is very difficult to deal with because to be honest, my expectations where too much. I was expecting the iboga to take away the sickness like methadone (methadone doesn’t get me high, just not-sick) with hallucinations, I didn’t realize how much work it would be.
I have read many times that a junkies first iboga trip is fairly subtle, and if they do a 2nd dose that the iboga is like “oh you didn’t get it last time huh? Well try this on for size!! BOOM”, not that I’m looking for boom but I do not like being unprepared for any surprises and want to be mentally prepared if that happens. Not only do Marc, Sandra, and Jolayne say a second dose greatly increases one’s success rate, but nearly every paper I’ve read on iboga/ibogaine recommends a 2nd dose for a better success rate. I think my expectations for the 2nd dose are it taking away the remainder of the sickness and will let me move on.
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This is Wednesday 2003.07.23. I am still very sick, but feel blessed because I know it would be so much worse going cold turkey without the iboga. There is no doubt in me that if I had tried this without the iboga I would have been broken by the sickness by now. I am very, very tired, not sleepy tired, exhausted tired.
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This is Sunday 2003.07.26
Not a good day/evening. I took too many xanex’s and lost my coordination in front of my mother, and she got worried. They are will be gone soon so that will not be a problem again, but I really wish that had not happened.
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This is Monday 2003.07.28
Was able to borrow car from mom for a couple of hours, which was nice. My methadone stock has become quite an issue. I have just under 2,000 ml and if I sold it to strangers on the street I could easily get $1 per ml ($2,000) but the risk is too risky (especially with a 2 year Texas Warrant for my arrest) to do it that way….So I was hoping that I could find a friend of a friend that is in need but I’ve separated myself from junkie’s (heroin and methadone) for so many years now that it is becoming almost impossible to get rid of through the relative safety of knowing the person buying and that they aren’t going to try to kill themselves with it. I have to raise money just because I must have a “plan b” if Marc decides mailing is a bad idea (will know more Wednesday Evening….Sandra says “don’t call us, we will call you”. They are treating others as I speak. I had no idea how fucked (financially, socially, school, etc) my life has become. And with so much to be done it is very very frustrating to have my energy stocks so low.
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Today is Wednesday, 2003.07.30
Will know more this evening about 2nd dose possibility. I am very surprised that it has been over a week since I’ve been back to Dallas and I still feel like the day I came back, plus a little extra exercise soreness. I’ve been pushing myself to exercise so my natural endorphins get up and running again after not having to work for over 4 years. Been sleeping most nights thanks to my Tamazepam Script (sleeping pills), but I think 2 or 3 nights I had to pull an all night. I am exhausted, simply exhausted.
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Tonight is 2003.07.31@21.17
I have not heard anything from Sandra, I just left a message on her cell. She specifically said don’t call me I’ll call you Wednesday, and tomorrow is Friday and I still know nothing about if a 2nd dose will happen, and if it does happen can I really afford another plane ride to and from? I have tasted methadone since I’ve been back, nothing more then a taste (1 or 2 ml at the most), to be honest I’ve done that 3 different times so far. The first time did nothing to ease the sickness, nor the 2nd time, but the 3rd time cut the edge off just enough to get some exercise done. I need a shower and I am still basically sick but know the weak must get strong. And this is what I try to do, harness the energy to get basic things done. I need to realize I have a bad habit of getting ahead of myself and Marc Emery says that this is when things usually aren’t being done. When I talk real deep about the future without any concern with the present actions or consistency or persistence or patience that could actually make it work, like how the sickness stays strong and persistent. I am sore from exercise but and have been getting strength from the Rasta-Buddha, trying to do the right thing…..the right thing. I really am having a hard time keeping this off my mind, trying not to wait, have too much to do, but still too weak to maintain consistently. I am getting bursts of ‘no more control’ don’t tread on me get the aldolphin out of my system, syst m
SYST M
ONLY THE FITTEST OF THE FITTEST SHALL SURVIVE….STAY ALIVE
EVERY MAN THINKS HIS BURDON IS THE HEAVIEST
2003.07.31@22.26
Was going to try to put off calling Jolayne due to it looking like I’m playing favorites, like when a child doesn’t’ get the answer s/he wants from her dad and goes and gets an ok from mom. Jolayne was on the road when she answered, luckily no one was harmed while she was asking how I was doing while driving. I feel much better just hearing a voice, even if she isn’t able to call back in an hour like she said, at least I got to hear a voice of hope………strange, Texas seems so hopeless, drains the hope right out of I and I, mostly due to the paradox I find myself in in regards to doing the work I and I need to get done, while not endangering my family by making them show up on SYST M’s radar screen, how do I do what needs to be done without making my family a target for military style raids?
“comin’ in from the cold, it’s you I’m chatting to,
WHY DO YOU LOOK SO…..?
WHEN ONE DOOR IS CLOSED
MANY ONE IS OPEN.
Would you make a syst m get on top of your head again? No dread no.
The biggest man your ever going to see
Was once a baby
in this life
Any life
Any life….
Many more will have to suffer
Many more will have to die
Don’t ask me why
ONE AND ALL GOT TO FACE REALITY
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
IF YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY YOU WILL HEAR
THERE IS A NATURAL MYSTIC BLOWING THROUGH THE AIR
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
WE THE YOUTH GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US.
And now you see the light, Stand up for your rights
Get up stand up, don’t give up the fight
We Jah people can make it work,
Come together and make it work.
Robert Nesta Marley
February 6, 1945 – May 11th 1981
HOPE 
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Friday 2003.08.01@01:41
Talked to Jolayne, she is really a good person. She told me not to hesitate to call, but I know that they have way more important things to get done then hearing about my drama, hell, I’m even sick of hearing about my drama, and it’s just starting (1,000 YARD STARES–PREPARATION FOR LONG FALLS). The legal issues, I just hope they don’t ‘make an example’ of me, I am very vulnerable to their control, no $$$ for lawyer. Jolayne said that Marc Emery just got back last night and they will talk within’ the week, and she couldn’t promise an answer about the decision for a 2nd iboga dose by next Friday, but could promise a phone call by then. Wish it wasn’t so difficult, especially since I had the opportunity for a 2nd dose before I left and for some stupid reason I refused, even though I was sick. It is 0231 and I’m out of xanex, I’m almost out of my sleeping medication Temazepam, and I am almost out of herb. The only way around this shit is through.
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Sunday 2003.08.03@10.25
Sickness has been playing with me a bit lately. What I mean by this is that the sickness will act like it is on the run (act like it is lessening) and then come back for a push forward. It has been 2 weeks since I have returned from the iboga therapy house. I am still very sick, but I would say that it is very obvious that I am only facing maybe 2%-5% of sickness that would be there if going cold-turkey without iboga. I am still sensitive to light and still am goose fleshed and still ache the ache of the sickness in my vertebrae, my muscles, down to my bones and joints. I am very positive that I would have been broken long before now if I had tried this without the iboga. But I do wish that I could have had the trust in my government that they would provide me with my prescribed mediation if charged/or convicted of a crime. Untold numbers of people have had to go cold turkey in jail. Poor souls.
Let me also say on the issue of methadone patients selling their methadone, that this wouldn’t happen if even the new patients didn’t get a ‘Sunday take home dose’ due to clinics being closed on Sunday. They make rules saying the patient must come for several years with clean Urine Analysis to qualify for take homes, the rational being this will assure that methadone isn’t being sold on the street. Getting take home privileges helps so much to focus on job or school, because the junkie isn’t reminded every morning that s/he is a junkie (a failure without hope) by having to go to the clinic to be not sick. The hopelessness of a Methadone Clinic waiting room cannot be overstated. I personally had too many junkie “friends” that I didn’t look any of the other methadone patients in the eye. I did not need anymore junkie “friends”, my own life is chaotic enough as it is.
The sickness has lessened around 15% with time and at this rate I am fairly confident that by the end of August (even without a second dose of iboga) this drama should be behind me. The only way around this shit is through.
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Monday. 2003.08.04@19.34
Today was ruff. I was unable to get any exercise done due to a push forward from the sickness. It seems to be concentrating in my vertebrae and intestines, as opposed to the full body sickness of before. I would say in my legs, joints, bones are at least 30%-35% cut off of the sickness in. But the sickness seems to be “consolidating it’s resources” so to speak and targeting specific areas of the body while at the same time retaining it’s ‘strong holds’, although less, in the rest of the body. My heart rate has been pretty fast today, and my blood pressure seems out of whack, might check it this evening. A full month of this is what I have to be prepared to withstand. All day I have been able to feel my heart beat in the pit of my intestines, not in a good way. By the way the methadone stock pile is no more as of a few days ago. I didn’t get the benefit of selling it, nor the punishment of the risk of selling it. Tired of talking about it, want it over and done with.
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Today is Tuesday, 2003.08.05@10.11
Checked my cannabis culture account and found this message from Marc Emery that he sent on Tue Jul 29 2003 07:34 AM :
Re: 2nd iboga dose?
From: Marc Scott Emery
What decision? I presume you are already booked for your second treatment at the end of August or first week in September?
I am genuinely surprised you are still sick after all this time after. If you stick with it,, I know you will be completely clear after the second treatment. What date have they given you to return, Jason?
Marc
I took my blood pressure last night twice…149 over 89– pulse 105 and the 2nd one was 151 over 78– pulse 108. I have no idea what that means but i assume that since it isn’t normal, that the sickness isn’t in my head and that is comforting.
From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: iboga root bark ,seeds ,root availables
Date: August 5, 2003 at 3:54:16 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@ibogaine.org, ibogaine@mindvox.com
Cc: ccps ccps <snail_cam@yahoo.fr>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
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Contact j.claude at snail_cam@yahoo.fr for more info.
Always follow protocol/procedures and be very aware of
the risks and rewards of doing anything in life,
especially ibogaine.
Brett
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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] [deartheo@ziplip.com: iboga vs. 263 ml methadone: report filed incomplete]
Date: August 4, 2003 at 12:13:48 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Not exactly sure why these are landing in my mailbox, but hey, why ask
why.
Here:
From: deartheo@ziplip.com
Subject: iboga vs. 263 ml methadone: report filed incomplete
Date: August 4, 2003 at 12:06:19 PM EDT
To: digital@phantom.com
Reply-To: deartheo <deartheo@ziplip.com>
2003.07.21.19.11.
MONDAY.
IBOGA REPORT:
I left for YVR International Airport from D/FW on Saturday, 20030712@2000 on flight 395 and returned to D/FW on Friday, 20030718@1337 on flight 1390. I have been on 263 ml (10 mg per 1 ml) of Methadone Hydrochloride since the first months of 2000. Methadone is far more physically addicting then heroin or morphine. Basically, a junkie on heroin who has used consistently for 20 years will experience in most cases 7-10 days of sickness if going cold turkey (in extreme cases 2 weeks). If the 20 year heroin junkie was to go to a Methadone clinic in Texas, the clinic will start the junkie off at 30 ml and raise the dose until the junkie is “stable” (not sick) enough to start working down the dose, most of the time with the junkie’s knowledge (non-blind). If a junkie who has used Methadone (or in worst cases Orlaam) will go through much, much more sickness and it will last much, much longer, and can be fatal.
Although I do think Methadone is much more preferable way to be a junkie because of a stable and reliable supply (unless charged with arrest), I do not think Methadone is better, in any way, then Heroin. In my humble opinion, the reason Methadone clinics work so well is because they give the opiate junkie a consistent supply of their ‘dose’, something that is impossible on the black market for long periods of time. In other words, junkies are only a problem when they don’t have the ‘dose’ that will take away (and eventually cause) ‘the sickness/ cold-burn’. When the dose supply is unreliable, the majority of the junkie’s time is spent attempting to obtain a supply and school and job become secondary priorities. It is also much harder to get through a shift at work if too dope sick. With Methadone this is not as much of an issue and thus allows the junkie to very rarely feel ‘dope sick’ if not accused of a crime so the junkie can spent his/her time becoming a productive member of society like finding and keeping employment and finding funds and time for school, even though the Higher Education Act tries to prevent the junkies from becoming productive members of society by preventing funding to “drug offenders” but does not limit the funds for convicted rapists or murderers.
Let me say very briefly that the fact that I could not receive my prescribed medication if accused of ANY crime has made me borderline paranoid. The fact that if I look at a police officer wrong I could be detained without my prescribed medication, is a method of control far greater then anything seen since Methadone was called Aldolphine (after Hitler). The risk of being instantly sick if accused of a crime is enough to make one paranoid of the outside world, not wanting to risk a ride up the road for groceries because I could be pulled over. I, like most junkies, have not only a criminal record, but have had a warrant for my arrest (for a joint of marijuana) for almost two years now. If I could of received my prescribed mediation in jail, I would most likely have remained on methadone for the rest of my life. But the thought of going cold-turkey from 263 ml of methadone, it simply would have broken me. Luckily, Marc Emery’s iboga therapy house (ibogatherapyhouse.org) accepted me for treatment, so now I can face these legal issues without the fear of being broken by the sickness. Marc Emery has literally saved my life.
The last time I tried to take on the sickness, was when I was on Orlaam ( a time released synthetic opiate where one dose can last you 72 hours, unlike the 24 hours one dose of Methadone will ‘give’ you, or the 4-6 hours of non-sickness that street heroin will ‘give’ you). It was June of 1999 and I could no longer afford to keep going to the clinic due to lack of money. They did not inform me at the time that there are free clinics.
I slept 4 hours the entire 6 weeks of indescribable sickness/cold-burn. I had no trouble keeping a job prior to then, since then
.let’s just say that experience effected my life in a very negative way and more then 4 doctors have “diagnosed” me with post traumatic stress disorder, but their synthetic ‘medicine’, called anti-depressants and this and that, and I gave more then 4 different one’s a chance but all make me very not good as far as being healthy in the mind. This is where my sacrament and use of herb has helped beyond anything. The only negative effect of the herb is from the prohibition of it. In fact Texas is after me as we speak for less then a joint of herb.
My dose of iboga was 4,200, by means of a 400 test dose followed by the remaining 20 something 00 capsules of crushed iboga root bark. I was unable to keep any food down my entire time in BC, I lost 11 pounds in 6 days, which I was o.k. with because methadone seems to make people bloated (and constipated- I won’t miss wiping blood after I shit that’s for sure : ).
I was greeted at the YVR airport by Jolayne who was very nice and compassionate, and looks exactly like my little step-sister. She took me to the bed and breakfast where I stayed Saturday 2003.07.12 and Sunday 2003.07.13. I had neither methadone, iboga, or sleeping aid’s during my stay. On Saturday, Jolayne was nice enough to take me to W. Hastings and got to smoke some herb at the Amsterdam Café. The most inspiring thing (besides the organizational and entrepreneurial genius of the bc party ) was a small iboga plant in the window, such a small delicate plant, and I got a little concerned that such a delicate plant couldn’t possibly keep up and beat the Goliath Monster of opiate physical sickness, then I looked around me at the hope and progress of our movement and I realized I was exactly where I was supposed to be and am very lucky for being able to stand where I was standing, breathing the air of the healing Pacific.
Yes the sickness had been creeping up a bit and the full fledged sickness was definitely in the mail, but then I got to meet Marc Emery, I have never met a man like Marc, I had never experienced a more self-less human being, he reminds me of like a modern day Buddha. Marc invited me, to him a total stranger, to go down stairs and gave me a joints worth of blueberry. I got to meet Dana, who I have much respect for, as well as Chris and plenty of good people. Getting to hear a pot-tv.ca show being made upstairs while cleaning the blueberry, got lots of looks for ‘cleaning my herb’, I guess when you don’t have to smoke Mexican shwag you don’t have to worry about the stems: )
Being there was the highlight of my trip. I spent a couple of hours there until Jolayne came and took me to the iboga therapy house.
That evening I started having trouble keeping anything down (even water), so it was kind of a mixed blessing sitting up in the bed with Marc Emery sitting on the side of the bed handing me 00 cap after 00 cap after 00 cap full of iboga root. And if I couldn’t keep it down, they would get some gloves get the iboga out and re-cap it for me to try again.
The hallucinations weren’t as intense as I had anticipated but that is perfectly ok with me, I had plenty of extreme hallucinogenic experience as a kid and have had plenty of the pure panic-trips so that was my main focus during the iboga experience, DON’T PANIC, like the cover of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy.
I was and still am very sensitive to light. I would say the iboga took away at least 90% of my sickness, and from what I have heard and read most junkies who use iboga to kick do not experience any withdrawal signs at all, but I was on a very high dose of methadone for too long. The remaining sickness was/is very difficult to deal with because to be honest, my expectations where too much. I was expecting the iboga to take away the sickness like methadone (methadone doesn’t get me high, just not-sick) with hallucinations, I didn’t realize how much work it would be.
I have read many times that a junkies first iboga trip is fairly subtle, and if they do a 2nd dose that the iboga is like “oh you didn’t get it last time huh? Well try this on for size!! BOOM”, not that I’m looking for boom but I do not like being unprepared for any surprises and want to be mentally prepared if that happens. Not only do Marc, Sandra, and Jolayne say a second dose greatly increases one’s success rate, but nearly every paper I’ve read on iboga/ibogaine recommends a 2nd dose for a better success rate. I think my expectations for the 2nd dose are it taking away the remainder of the sickness and will let me move on.
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This is Wednesday 2003.07.23. I am still very sick, but feel blessed because I know it would be so much worse going cold turkey without the iboga. There is no doubt in me that if I had tried this without the iboga I would have been broken by the sickness by now. I am very, very tired, not sleepy tired, exhausted tired.
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This is Sunday 2003.07.26
Not a good day/evening. I took too many xanex’s and lost my coordination in front of my mother, and she got worried. They are will be sold soon so that will not be a problem again, but I really wish that had not happened.
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This is Monday 2003.07.28
Was able to borrow car from mom for a couple of hours, which was nice to go and make some money (180
150 after cost) from 90 1mg xanex. My methadone stock has become quite an issue. I have just under 2,000 ml and if I sell it to strangers on the street I could easily get $1 per ml ($2,000) but the risk is too risky (especially with a 2 year Texas Warrant for my Arrest) to do it that way
.So I was hoping that I could find a friend of a friend that is in need but I’ve separated myself from junkie’s (heroin and methadone) for so many years now that it is becoming almost impossible to get rid of through the relative safety of knowing the person buying and that they aren’t going to try to kill themselves with it. I have to raise money just because I must have a plan be if Marc decides mailing is a bad idea (will know more Wednesday Evening
.Sandra says “don’t call us, we will call you”. They are treating others as I speak. I had no idea how fucked (financially, socially, school, etc) my life has become. And with so much to be done it is very very frustrating to have my energy stocks so low.
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Today is Wednesday, 2003.07.30
Will know more this evening about 2nd dose possibility. I am very surprised that it has been over a week since I’ve been back to Dallas and I still feel like the day I came back, plus a little extra exercise soreness. I’ve been pushing myself to exercise so my natural endorphins get up and running again after not having to work for over 4 years. Been sleeping most nights thanks to my Tamazepam Script (sleeping pills), but I think 2 or 3 nights I had to pull an all night. I am exhausted, simply exhausted.
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Tonight is 2003.07.31@21.17
I have not heard anything from Sandra, I just left a message on her cell. She specifically said don’t call me I’ll call you Wednesday, and tomorrow is Friday and I still know nothing about if a 2nd dose will happen, and if it does happen can I really afford another plane ride to and from? I have tasted methadone since I’ve been back, nothing more then a taste (1 or 2 ml at the most), to be honest I’ve done that 3 times so far. The first time did nothing to ease the sickness, nor the 2nd time, but the 3rd time cut the edge off just enough to get some exercise done. I need a shower and I am still basically sick but know the weak must get strong. And this is what I try to do, harness the energy to get basic things done. I need to realize I have a bad habit of getting ahead of myself and Marc Emery says that this is when things usually aren’t being done when we talk real deep about the future without any concern with the present actions or consistency or persistence or patience that could actually make it work, like how the sickness stays strong and persistent. I am sore from exercise but and have been getting strength from the Rasta-Buddha, trying to do the right thing
..the right thing. I really am having a hard time keeping this off my mind, trying not to wait, have too much to do, but still too weak to maintain consistently. I am getting bursts of ‘no more control’ don’t tread on me get the aldophin out of my system, syst m
SYST M
ONLY THE FITTEST OF THE FITTEST SHALL SURVIVE
.STAY ALIVE
EVERY MAN THINKS HIS BURDON IS THE HEAVIEST
2003.07.31@22.26
Was going to try to put off calling Jolayne due to it looking like I’m playing favorites, like when a child doesnt’ get the answer s/he wants from her dad and goes and gets an ok from mom. Jolayne was on the road when she answered, luckily no one was harmed while she was asking how I was doing while driving. I feel much better just hearing a voice, even if she doesn’t call back in an hour like she said, at least I got to hear a voice of hope
strange, Texas seems so hopeless, drains the hope right out of I and I, mostly due to the paradox I find myself in in regards to doing the work I and I need to get done, while not endangering my family, how do I do what needs to be done without making my family a target for military style raids?
“comin’ in from the cold, it’s you I’m chatting to,
WHY DO YOU LOOK SO
..?
WHEN ONE DOOR IS CLOSED
MANY ONE IS OPEN.
Would you make a syst m get on top of your head again
The biggest man your ever going to see
Was once a baby
in this life
Any life
Any life
.
Many more will have to suffer
Many more will have to die
Don’t ask me why
ONE AND ALL GOT TO FACE REALITY
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
IF YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY YOU WILL HEAR
THERE IS A NATURAL MYSTIC BLOWING THROUGH THE AIR
THEY CAN’T KEEP US DOWN
WE THE YOUTH GOT OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US.
And now you see the light, Stand up for your rights
Get up stand up, don’t give up the fight
We Jah people can make it work,
Come together and make it work.
Robert Nesta Marley
February 6, 1945 – May 11th 1981
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Friday 2003.08.01@01:41
Talked to Jolayne, she is really a good person. She told me not to hesitate to call, but I know that they have way more important things to get done then hearing about my drama, hell, I’m even sick of hearing about my drama, and it’s just starting. The legal issues, I just hope they don’t ‘make an example’ of me, I am very vulnerable to their control, no $$$ for lawyer. Jolayne said that Marc Emery just got back last night and they will talk within’ the week, and she couldn’t promise an answer about the decision for a 2nd iboga dose by next Friday, but could promise a phone call by then. Wish it wasn’t so difficult, especially since I had the opportunity for a 2nd dose before I left and for some stupid reason I refused, even though I was sick. It is 0231 and I’m out of xanex, I’m almost out of my sleeping medication Temazepam, and I am almost out of herb. The only way around this shit is through.
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Sunday 2003.08.03@10.25
Sickness has been playing with me a bit lately. What I mean by this is that the sickness will act like it is on the run (act like it is lessening) and then come back for a push forward. It has been 2 weeks since I have returned from the iboga therapy house. I am still very sick, but I would say that it is very obvious that I am only facing maybe 2%-5% of sickness that would be there if going cold-turkey without iboga. I am still sensitive to light and still am goose fleshed and still ache the ache of the sickness in my vertebrae, my muscles, down to my bones and joints. I am very positive that I would have been broken long before now if I had tried this without the iboga. But I do wish that I could have had the trust in my government that they would provide me with my prescribed mediation if charged/or convicted of a crime. Untold numbers of people have had to go cold turkey in jail. Poor souls.
Let me also say on the issue of methadone patients selling their methadone, that this wouldn’t happen if even the new patients didn’t get a ‘Sunday take home dose’ due to clinics being closed on Sunday. They make rules saying the patient must come for several years with clean Urine Analysis to qualify for take homes, the rational being this will assure that methadone isn’t being sold on the street. Getting take home privileges helps so much to focus on job or school, because the junkie isn’t reminded every morning that s/he is a junkie (a failure without hope) by having to go to the clinic to be not sick. The hopelessness of a Methadone Clinic waiting room cannot be over stated. I personally had too many junkie “friends” that I didn’t look any of the other methadone patients in the eye. I did not need anymore junkie “friends”, my own life is chaotic enough as it is.
The sickness has lessened around 15% with time and at this rate I am fairly confident that by the end of August (even without a second dose of iboga) this drama should be behind me. The only way around this shit is through.
From: JSchran@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Hopi prophecies New Shamanism
Date: August 1, 2003 at 7:00:19 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
I just returned from Peru and the Q’eros message is the same. I too am a Master Reiki practicioner, as well as Past Life Regression therapist. Be PEACE! Jim
From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Hopi prophecies New Shamanism
Date: August 1, 2003 at 6:27:45 PM EDT
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Which directed me here.
Brett
New Shamanism
By Jim Ewing (Blueskywaters)
http://www.manataka.org/page44.html
See also http://www.stormpages.com/reiki/
What Standing Bear says in his Seventh Message is
true: There is a new wave of spirituality arising
across the land. Many of these new Rainbow Warriors
are learning the old ways of the shamans.
But, it is a new shamanism, called “core shamanism,”
incorporating many ways of thought, many ways of
being, as diverse in individual expression as the
colors of the rainbow.
It is a study of all of the various medicine ways of
the world, the old ways of every culture, seeing
which are the same in each and teaching those methods
to young people. Workshops are being held across the
nation and in other countries to share what has been
found.
The visions and ideas are being shared via the
Internet and groups are forming, where people in
communities across the land join in each other’s homes
to practice ancient ways through drumming circles,
shamanic journeying, healing ceremonies and practices.
A group sponsoring these workshops is the Foundation
for Shamanic Studies, with an Internet site
http://www.shamanism.org/
In core shamanism, practitioners are taught how to
journey into non-ordinary reality, the world of the
shaman, using the drum and the rattle. They are taught
how to find their power animal in non-ordinary
reality, how to help others to heal.
Through practice, these new shamans can learn distance
healing, healing of the Earth, blessing homes, crops
and businesses, accessing the spirits of a place,
helping souls enter the afterlife, divination, finding
life purpose, recovering lost objects, recovering
stolen souls, spirit dispossession.
These practices are not new, but having them taught
again is a major modern trend. Probably the three
most commonly used shamanic healing practices involve:
1) Loss of a person’s guardian spirit (loss of “luck,”
protection from unfortunate events, illness).
2) Suffering a spiritual intrusion (energy is drained,
diverted or blocked; depression, anger or a physical
ailment can be the result of a spiritual intrusion).
3) Soul loss: loss of life force (feeling apart from
life, depression/suicidal, addiction; post-traumatic
stress syndrome (PST); excessive grief/mourning).
In the times when American Indian tribes lived in
harmony with the Earthly Mother, the role of the
medicine man or woman was not only accepted but
essential in any community. These healers not only
treated the physical wounds of the people but the
spiritual wounds.
They could see the “real” reality of disease that
caused the disease and help the sufferer heal it. For
the healer doesn’t heal. Only the Creator heals. The
whole person — body, mind and spirit — must be
addressed for true healing to occur.
This new/old way of healing is growing in America and
around the globe, expressed in many ways. It includes
new interest in Chinese medicine and in Eastern, Asian
and American Indian practices. America Indians have
much to teach this new generation.
The power of Western civilization has been widespread
— and devastating — leaving shattered cultures in
its wake. We now know that war doesn’t determine who
is right, only who is left to say they were right.
Many of the old ways of Americans Indians have died
out. But a few powerful teachers have seen the need
to share their visions to keep the flame alive. In
the 1930s, Black Elk revealed his teachings, including
holding the Sacred Pipe, building the sweat lodge, and
crying for a vision.
Many of his Sioux brothers criticized him for sharing
those secrets. But Fools Crow, another Sioux medicine
man, has defended the practice of teaching others,
saying: “The survival of the world depends upon our
sharing what we have and working together. If we
don’t, the whole world will die.”
Frank Fools Crow (1981)
Because of the courage of these men, and others such
as Rolling Thunder and Lame Deer, the old knowledge
will live on. The power of ancient ways never dies; it
only waits for willing hearts and respectful minds to
attune to it.
There is a yearning, as Lee Standing Bear says, a new
way of being but too many young people do not know
precisely what they are striving for, and so they have
turned hither and yon.
They must be told that wisdom is here, where their
feet kiss Mother Earth. The late Mad Bear Anderson, an
Iroquois, saw this yearning in the 1970s. And he saw
the essential role the America Indian could bring to
creating a new and better world.
He said: “The Eastern religions represent spirituality
that looks inward. The Western religions represent
spirituality that tends to look outward. We are the
people whose spirituality is of the middle. We stand
for the sacrality of Nature, for the sacred ways of
the Earth. Therefore, we can be mediators between East
and West, reminding the others that Nature is holy and
full of the Great Spirit.” Alas, he did not live to
see his dream became reality.
It should be the duty of all people of spirit to share
their knowledge freely with all truth seekers. The
survival of our planet depends on it. In America,
materialism and money culture throughout the 1980s and
early 1990s reigned supreme, even spawning a mantra
that “Greed is Good.” To young people who grew up in
this culture of the past 20 years, the effect has been
“Greed is God.”
With their cell phones, stocks, 401(k)s,
multi-tasking, etc., the society of the “dot.com
millionaires” in their 20s and 30s are still fueling
the giant money culture of America, with little or no
appreciation of the land and of the spirit. This could
be for despair.
But there is another side to the new world emerging.
People of spirit are finding each other through this
new way of global communication, the Internet, and are
sharing their knowledge. Thus, they are accelerating
the message of the old ways and are shaping not only a
new consciousness, but a new world.
I can sit in my home and sing songs and drum, knowing
that my words cross the universe and connect me with
those of like spirit living and dead.
Great healing can be done in concert with other
brothers and sisters elsewhere throughout the globe.
We are all spiritual beings in human form who can find
each other in the heart of Mother Earth beating
through the drum. But many people have not opened
their eyes to the real world underlying the illusion
of “things” around us. For them, this new way of
messaging, the computer, can give visions they can
see.
As Standing Bear says, now is the time for the
Thunderbird to rise again. As Mad Bear saw, the Red
Road is the middle road, the way to incorporate all
the spiritual teachings of the Earth. It is essential
that all people of the rainbow add their lights to the
emerging consciousness.
The spark of the Creator within each of us is all
colors in one. Together, as pieces of the rainbow, we
can create a new world reflecting the Great Mystery’s
eternal light.
See also
http://www.stormpages.com/reiki/
FWIW I do practice Reiki.
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