Ibogaine List Archives - 2003-01

From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Join Emergency Protests at U.S. Embassies Wednesday re: Ed Rosenthal
Date: January 31, 2003 at 11:00:47 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

do you know when this protest will take place in london, i would like to go

pete

Check with Shane Collins, 208-671-5936

Dana/cnw

From: “Alison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Join Emergency Protests at U.S. Embassies Wednesday re: EdRosenthal
Date: January 31, 2003 at 4:58:40 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

If you are not near a capital or a place of protest, is there an e-mail or fax contact to register support. Am not sure if there is anything happening in New Zealand but am way too far away to be able to afford to go to our capital, Wellingon. I would still like to add support so would be good to know if there are other avenues available. Thanks Allison
—–Original Message—–
From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
To: MARC <marc420emery@shaw.ca>
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Date: Friday, 31 January 2003 08:24
Subject: [ibogaine] Join Emergency Protests at U.S. Embassies Wednesday re: EdRosenthal

Free Ed Rosenthal Protests Planned Wednesday at U.S. embassies in London, Paris, Berlin, Oslo, Rome and other World Capitols…Please join!

Ed Rosenthal–author of the Marijuana Growers Guide–is about to be convicted in the US District Court in Oakland, Ca. on charges of “conspiracy”, “cultivation” and “manufacturing” medical marijuana. The illegal Bush junta which stole the 2000 election because Clinton was not “tough enough on drugs” alleges that Ed, one of the founders of the modern marijuana movement, is some kind of drug kingpin.

The trial began with the U.S. Judge, Breyer, dismissing more than 2/3 of the jurors because of support for Prop. 215, which made medical marijuana legal in California. After picking a completely unrepresentative jury, the Judge ruled that no “medical marijuana defense” would would be allowed. In fact, Rosenthal was deputized by the city of Oakland so that dispensation of medical marijuana would be covered under the same legal immunity as the narcs. The Judge ruled that Congressional intent (to ban cannabis absolutely) trumped the plain language of the statute that immunizes government agents.

Defense attorneys had sought to force Judge Breyer to allow them the chance to present evidence that would reveal that at least one DEA supervising agent had said, during the Clinton administration, that the federal government would not pursue prosecutions in areas where the local governments were allowing medical distribution. Such testimony would indicate that Mr. Rosenthal had been the victim of a form of entrapment, so the Judge won’t allow it. Although Judge Breyer has been forced to allow some testimony by a member of the Oakland City Council that Ed was not trying to conceal his activities, the case is expected to go to the jury Friday without Ed being able to mount an effective defense.

Last February 12 the Bush clique led by Attorney General John Ashcroft arrested Ed in an attempt to silence the cause of medical marijuana which saves the lives of many. Therefore the time has come to confront the US government’s attempt to jail Ed for the crime of saving lives by mounting picket lines at U.S. Embassies around the world. 50 to 100 protestors are expected at several of the embassies. The Paris Global Cannabis Coordinator suggested Wednesday as the most convenient day when we can expect to have a verdict in Ed’s case.

Dana Beal/cures not wars/Global Cannabis March/212-677-7180

From: dr cheese <onthecheese@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Join Emergency Protests at U.S. Embassies Wednesday re: Ed Rosenthal
Date: January 31, 2003 at 12:48:48 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

do you know when this protest will take place in london, i would like to go

pete

Original message attached.

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Drug Czar Super Bowl Ad Features Anti-Abortion Subtext
Date: January 30, 2003 at 5:51:31 PM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Cc: “efficacy” <efficacy@email.msn.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, “Drug Policy Forum Tri-State [DE, NJ, PA]” <liberty_action@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
I’m happy to let you know that DrugWar.com has published another
original article by Daniel Forbes, this one about the “other” message in one
of the Super Bowl anti-pot ads. Please feel free to pass this email and link
on.

http://www.drugwar.com/forbesantiabortion.shtm

Drug Czar Super Bowl Ad Features Anti-Abortion Subtext
By Daniel Forbes-
for DrugWar.com
(image)
Outcome dictated by ONDCP?
January 30, 2003
No, the White House anti-drug ads don’t work, the latest, stealth report
from the federal government indicates. Commissioned by the Office of
National Drug Control Policy and conducted under the auspices of the
National Institute on Drug Abuse, it states: “There is no evidence yet
consistent with a desirable effect of the [Media] Campaign on youth.” Though
this semi-annual report builds on the poor results documented previously,
the taxpayer-funded ads – despite their demonstrated inability to keep kids
from drugs – do serve any number of purposes. One new use for the campaign
made its debut during the year’s high-profile advertising showcase, Sunday’s
Super Bowl.
As Joseph R. Giganti, Director of Media and Government Relations at the
American Life League stated after reviewing the new anti-marijuana ad –
entitled “Pregnancy” – on ONDCP’s website, “Without question, there is a
very strong but subtle pro-life statement presented in this commercial.”
snip-
Read Article at above URL
Peace,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor at Large High Times mag/.com
“Prohibition creates an irresistibly lucrative
opportunity for entrepreneurs willing to operate
in illicit business. It is the policy
of idealists who cannot appreciate that the use
of drugs often reflects other sets of human
ideals: human perfectibility, the yearning
for a perfect moment, the peace that comes
from oblivion.” Richard Davenport-Hines

From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: [ibogaine] Join Emergency Protests at U.S. Embassies Wednesday re: Ed Rosenthal
Date: January 30, 2003 at 2:18:15 PM EST
To: MARC <marc420emery@shaw.ca>
Cc: Dana Larsen <muggles2@cannabisculture.com>, rmelamed@uccs.edu, SCMJMarch@yahoogroups.com, clear@harmreduction.org, Bonnie <rabbit@cownow.com>, mgreer@mapinc.org, pieman@pieman.org, “ccguide.org.uk” <alun@ccguide.org.uk>, ajw <ajw@nyc.rr.com>, mayday@yahoogroups.com, Paul Krassner <pkrassner@earthlink.net>, StewA@aol.com, ibogaine@mindvox.com, “B.T. Moore” <btm42@hotmail.com>, “Brian Downing Quig” <quig@dcia.com>, “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>, “David Crockett Williams” <gear2000@lightspeed.net>, “Gregory Lake” <lakeg@hotmail.com>, has.cornelissen@planet.nl, anadi2000@earthlink.net, Nicholas Merrill <nick@mojo.calyx.net>, Mitchell Halberstadt <mitch-h@mindspring.com>, “Donald Grove” <grove@harmreduction.org>, Bob Melamede <rmelamed@uccs.edu>, lesliecagan@igc.org, Chris Conrad <chris@chrisconrad.com>, narda@lifefood.com, damnrobrob@yahoo.com, Jay Blotcher <jblotcher@hvc.rr.com>, crmoynihan@yahoo.com, BrennerL@aol.com, “Andrew Grice” <kingfelix@mediaone.net>, mruppert@copvcia.com, DogBreath100@aol.com, saltcom@aol.com, rumsey@newsday.com, ekwa@msn.com, flynn@nytimes.com, foundation@norml.org, Sean.Sweeneynyc@verizon.net, Lconaway@villagevoice.com, charlie kaplan <crowes_98@yahoo.com>, psmith@drcnet.org, dguard@drcnet.org, deanl1@earthlink.net, Sarah Ferguson <sferg@interport.net>, dmcvay@csdp.org, cowan@marijuananews.com, smokinjoe@weeklydig.com, don@hempery.com, anita@bodyshop.co.uk, danviets@justice.com, cohenj@hrw.org, “jim sutherland” <jim@arclightning.com>, danaleecohen@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Free Ed Rosenthal Protests Planned Wednesday at U.S. embassies in London, Paris, Berlin, Oslo, Rome and other World Capitols…Please join!

Dana Beal/cures not wars/Global Cannabis March/212-677-7180

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] spread the word, take action [ibogaine? what about war?]
Date: January 29, 2003 at 12:36:38 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

small PDF attached. download it. pass it on. print it out. take action. Free
the Pygmies.

www.notinourname.net
www.votenowar.org
www.truemajority.com

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Alienated State of America
Date: January 28, 2003 at 3:46:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The Alienated State of America: A Hateful Divide
************************************************

by Bryan Craeg Evans
Kilauea, HAWAI’I
Jan. 28, 2003 (IDA)
http://mutanex.com/alienated

“If only , if only, nuclear war was just another kind of war. If only it was
about the usual things– nations and territories, gods and histories. If only
those of us who dread it are just worthless moral cowards who are not prepared
to die in defense of our beliefs. If only nuclear war was the kind of war in
which countries battle countries and men battle men. But it isn’t. If there is
a nuclear war, our foe will not be China or America or even each other. Our foe
will be the Earth herself. The very elements– the sky, the air, the land, the
wind and water– will turn against us.”

— Arundhati Roy “The End of Imagination”

“In refusing to outlaw the bomb while having the monopoly of it, this country
suffers in another respect, in that it fails to return publicly to the ethical
standards of warfare formally accepted previous to the last war. It should not
be forgotten that the atomic bomb was made in this country as a preventive
measure; it was to head off its use by the Germans, if they discovered it. The
bombing of civilian centers was initiated by the Germans and adopted by the
Japanese. To it the Allies responded in kind– as it turned out, with greater
effectiveness– and were morally justified in doing so. But now, without any
provocation, and without the justification of reprisal or retaliation, a
refusal to outlaw the use of the bomb save in reprisal is making a political
purpose of its possession. This is hardly pardonable.”

— Dr. Albert Einstein “Atomic War or Peace”

Help! We’ve Been Hijacked by Extremists!

Here at the dawn of a new millennium, every person in America shares a fate
with every other person in the world: we have been colonized by a tight-knit
web of elitists bent on military superiority, in a struggle over dwindling
resources, with a global agenda. We’ve been hijacked by a militaristic cabal of
economic pirates and their henchmen, armed with high-tech weapons and secret
technologies, under the guise of “Security,” backed by a toothless media and
their advertisers. We’re being held hostage by this arms-dealing coup détat,
threatened daily with nuclear warfare, germ injections, unreasonable search and
seizure, imprisonment, and various other violations of human rights.

Environmental, humanitarian, reproductive and civil rights struggles which took
decades to reach a hopeful outlook have been beaten down in a matter of months
by this small group of wealthy extremists, many of whom are convicted felons.
They make no apologies for imposing their scandalous and abusive values on our
society, endangering all of civilization. In fact they are revelling in their
degradation of our economy and justice system like true tyrants. They have
hoisted their skull-and-bones flag over the White House and are battering at
the doors of the United Nations, preparing to dismantle every international
treaty made in the past 400 years, for this is their last alternative to being
held accountable for a century of war crimes and genocidal conspiracies which
now plague the world, in the form of drugs, disease, chemical poisons, and mass
graves.

Is there any American with a conscience who will deny what I am saying about
this Bush regime? The CIA headquarters bearing his name, Bush the uber-Bubba,
born with a silver spoon up his nose, waving the nuclear buttons around like a
personal shotgun? Surrounded by corporate criminals and far-right extremists
loyal to elite organizations, demanding the world fall in line behind their
agenda to plunder the remaining resources of the world they didn’t squeeze out
in the last century, and daring any who resist to challenge their superior
military forces. The Bush-CIA takeover of the United States of America stands
head-and-shoulders above the legacy of Caesar as the most arrogant and
dangerous military coup in history.

Surely you’ve heard the many recent references to Hitler and the Third Reich’s
burning of the Reichtag in relation to the Bush agenda? I would update these
references with an even more alarming perspective: the ideology, criminality,
and ruthlessness of the far-right in America make the Third Reich seem like
grade school. The U.S. military machine and their National Security agencies
dwarf anything the Germans ever had, even at the height of their power. Now
Bush is threatening to use preemptive nuclear strikes, against underdeveloped
nations, without any regulation or remorse. Uber-Bubba Bush poses the greatest
threat to global security in human history, in the name of plunder and power.

“But let us pause to give credit where it’s due. Whom must we thank for all
this? The Men who made it happen. The Masters of the Universe. Ladies and
Gentlemen, the United States of America! Come on up here, folks, stand up and
take a bow.Thank you for showing us the way. Thank you for altering the very
meaning of life. From now on it is not dying we must fear, but living.

It is such supreme folly to believe that nuclear weapons are deadly only if
they’re used. The fact that they exist at all, their very presence in our
lives,
will wreak more havoc than we can begin to fathom. Nuclear weapons pervade our
thinking. They are the ultimate colonizer. Whiter than any white man that ever
lived. The very heart of whiteness.”

— Arundhati Roy “The End of Imagination”

“But could not our situation be compared to one of a menacing epidemic? People
are unable to view this situation in its true light, for their eyes are blinded
by passion. General fear and anxiety create hatred and aggressiveness. The
adaptation to warlike aims and activities has corrupted the mentality of man;
as a result, intelligent, objective and humane thinking has hardly any effect
and is even suspected and persecuted as unpatriotic.”

— Dr. Albert Einstein “The Menace of Mass Destruction”

Mass Psychosis & the Military Mentality

The conditioning of American society to the acceptance of tyranny has been
slowly increased over the past half-century, since the formation of the CIA/NSA
National Security state. The advent of television opened a channel of mass
manipulation never before available to political ideologues. The human mind
became the brave new frontier, ripe for colonization.

The two most influential tools for manipulating large groups of people,
appealing to the lowest common denominators of society, are fear and greed. The
American miracle of marketing is the ability to appeal to the most base
instincts of humanity while appearing to represent the common good. We can
terrorize the world while we claim to be defending their “freedom.” Hell, we
will even convince the underprivileged that the privileged deserve all their
good fortune, even as we plunder their backyards and force their children to
pledge allegiance to our dollar!

How do we enforce fear on the masses while making it “sexy?” By marketing
militarism as the growth industry of the future, making even the most graphic
violence an entertainment form. Even if the sexy older actor is asking the CIA
recruit if he’d like to kill people, for no good reason, we can market it as a
kind of perverted empowerment, devoid of ethics. Hell, we can even make police
torture and abuse into award-winning shows, with the miracle of television
penetrating the most intimate spaces of the family home. In this way, we can
make patriotic impulses immediate and disconnected from history, without the
nasty habit of conscience.

Never before in the history of humankind has there existed such influence over
mass consciousness, and into this arena arose the Bush family, backed by their
Nazi financiers, CIA drug-dealers and assassins, corporate boards of
petrochemical and pharmaceutical industries, and of course weapons makers, all
reaping greater bounty from the misfortunes of mankind than in any era of
exploitation ever before, billions becoming trillions, damn the debt.

Meanwhile, Americans have been conditioned like the proverbial frog in hot
water against questioning the authority of the White House, never mind that the
President is supposed to serve the people and our best interests. Conspiracy?
How dare any American claim conspiracy– we know those people should be
ridiculed, and maybe locked up! In fact, since the terrible advent of the
terrorist, Americans have been conditioned to avoid the news in general, and
take pride in their ignorance. After all, Big Brother Bush and his buddies are
in charge of our Security now!

“The only good thing about nuclear war is that it is the single most
egalitarian idea that man has ever had. On the day of reckoning, you will not
be asked to present your credentials. The devastation will be indiscriminate.
The bomb isn’t in your backyard. It’s in your body. And mine. Nobody, no
nation, no government, no man, no god, has a right to put it there. We’re
radioactive already, and the war hasn’t even begun. So stand up and say
something. Never mind if it’s been said before. Speak up on your own behalf.
Take it very personally.”

— Arundhati Roy “The End of Imagination”

“The tendencies we have mentioned are something new for America. They arose
when, under the influence of the two World Wars and the consequent
concentration of all forces on a military goal, a predominantly military
mentality developed, which with the almost sudden victory became even more
accentuated. The characteristic feature of this mentality is that people place
the importance of what Bertrand Russell so tellingly terms ‘naked power’ far
above all other factors which affect the relations between peoples. The
Germans, misled by Bismarck’s success in particular, underwent just such a
transformation of their mentality– in consequence of which they were entirely
ruined in less than a hundred years.”

— Dr. Albert Einstein “The Military Mentality”

Fascism for Idiots: An American Nightmare

Since the appointment of Bush Jr. to terrorize and plunder our children’s
future, hate has become fashionable in America, along with terror. Never mind
that a thorough investigation of the circumstances leading up to and
surrounding the September 11 attacks has yet to take place, having been blocked
by the Bush White House at every avenue, along with the Enron and Halliburton
scandals. Instead, the country is being herded onward toward global warfare,
mobilizing millions of our men and women into harm’s way and prodding every
underdeveloped region of the world in search of places to test our latest
future-weapons. America has become a steroid-choked reality show costing
billions of dollars a day, arming every available space of the planet against
anyone who may resist the corporate demand to feed our gluttonous appetites.

Even when millions of intelligent and beautiful people rise up in protest, in
the largest coordinated mass demonstrations in history, filling city centers
around the world, the corporate media downplay the opposition, reporting
hundreds of thousands as tens of thousands, taking tiny soundbites of historic
speeches, totally ignoring former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clarke’s motion
for impeachment of the Bush regime. For those paying attention, those on the
front lines, those up against the police barricades, it is obvious the media in
America have been bought out, blackmailed, and disarmed, except for a few
outposts on the internet.

Hate is in high fashion in America. In every speech Bush directs his brute
aggression against evil enemies who are just asking to be annihilated. The
flag-waving patriots on the street corners echo their approval, casting slurs
and slander and possibly even rocks, and feel justified in doing so, to defend
American superiority. How dare any American question our leaders in this time
of peril? Yet if these thoughtless patriots would pursue the issues and dangers
surrounding us, they might question who is putting their children in the
greatest peril? Who goaded the terrorists and allowed the 9-11 attacks to go
forward? Who is alienating the world against us, insulting even our closest
allies, and challenging the integrity of the United Nations? Who is threatening
to launch a nuclear war, who is willing to violate international treaties and
destabilize the entire Mideast? Who is dismantling every environmental
protection we’ve gained over the past century, and allowing corporations to
make huge profits at the expense of the common people? A small group of wealthy
elitists is who, represented by the ideologues in the Bush 43 regime. Not
democratically elected, but appointed by a right-wing conspiracy aligned with
criminals and fascists.

Perhaps most unforgivable in the current mob mentality being thrust on America
is the abandonment of its veterans. While the men and women who were mobilized
for Bush 41’s Gulf War are suffering from results of experimental vaccines,
uranium shell exposure, and psychological trauma, the media pretend their cases
have no bearing on the current mobilization in the Gulf. Even as hundreds of
soldiers and Marines are being locked up in the brig for refusing to take the
next generation of experimental vaccines, the media ignores their plight,
meanwhile advertising Bush’s anthrax vaccine program. And who would know that
Vietnam veterans still exist, that they are the most outspoken against the use
of war as justification to plunder oil, that more of them have commited suicide
than actually died in the field? Veterans of the CIA, including Generals and
Colonels, are ignored as they testify that the Bush crime family is the
“Immaculate Deception,” their involvement in drug-running, assassination, bank
fraud, and insider trading making the Sopranos seem like the Simpsons.

Who is the greatest danger to America and the world? Surely the finger must be
pointed at the corporate masters of the U.S. media, who are actually
multinational conglomerates run by the ultra-wealthy. Their blinding and
gagging of the people’s right to know, the true investigation of the corruption
that endangers the very fate of the world, must be faulted as the most grave
breakdown of democracy in America. For a people who are kept intentionally
ignorant while being force-fed propaganda and lies, being led down a
skull-and-bones-strewn path toward Armageddon by a pack of corporate criminals,
is not free, but chained by their most base instincts. The media in America
must be held accountable for failing to expose the true intentions and
associations of the Bush 43 regime, and for their spinelessly selling-out in
every sense of that term.

Have we all been transformed into idiots now? The masters tell the slaves to
look away toward the oilfields, not to question the wrinkled wizards behind the
curtains. The only issue we are now allowed to focus on is Iraq and Saddam
Hussein. Have a question about the Bush-Bin Laden connection? The Cheney-Enron
conferences? The new pipeline through Afghanistan? The warfront in Columbia?
That doesn’t matter, because Saddam must be dealt with, Bush says so! How about
the ailing economy, the outbreak of new contagious diseases, the thousands of
people being held in prison without charges? No time for that now, Bush says
Saddam must be bombed into submission! The launching of a war in space, the
drilling for oil in the Arctic, the campaign for Bush’s impeachment? Sorry,
can’t think about that today, we have a war scheduled in Iraq!

“Exposing Western Hypocrisy– how much more exposed can it be? What decent
human being on Earth harbors any illusions about it? These are people whose
histories are spongy with the blood of others. Colonialism, apartheid, slavery,
ethnic cleansing, germ warfare, chemical weapons– they virtually invented it
all. They have plundered nations, snuffed out civilizations, exterminated
entire populations. They stand on the world’s stage stark naked but entirely
unembarrassed, because they know that they have more money, more food and
bigger bombs than anybody else. They know they can wipe us out in the course of
an ordinary working day. Personally, I’d say it’s more arrogance than
hypocrisy.”

— Arundhati Roy “The End of Imagination”

“In our time the military mentality is still more dangerous than formerly
because the offensive weapons have become much more powerful than the defensive
ones. Therefore, it leads, by necessity, to preventive war. The general
insecurity that goes hand in hand with this results in the sacrifice of the
citizen’s civil rights to the supposed welfare of the state. Political
witch-hunting, controls of all sorts (e.g., control of teaching and research,
of the press, and so forth) appear inevitable, and for this reason do not
encounter that popular resistance, which, were it not for the military
mentality, would provide protection. A reappraisal of all values gradually
takes place insofar as everything that does not clearly serve the utopian ends
is regarded and treated as inferior.”

— Dr. Albert Einstein “The Military Mentality”

Resistance is Fertile! Ghosts of Millions Lift Us Up!

If the democratic integrity of America has been corrupted to an extent where it
no longer functions, while a military coup runs rampant threatening the use of
nuclear weapons, where then is the hope to rescue the American Dream?
Ironically enough, the best aspects of democracy, justice and freedom are
rising up around the world, to remind Americans what they use to represent. A
land of opportunity and free expression, a land of immigrants whose dreams
outweigh their pockets, a nation where civil rights and diversity are
celebrated and triumph. Activists from even the most oppressed nations of the
world are showing us how America has been hijacked by the worst colonial
elements of our society, an elitist, ultraright group of revolutionaries with a
globalist agenda.

The internet has been our saving grace, allowing Americans to bypass the
corporate-controlled media and to communicate openly with activists and
intellectuals around the world, to broadcast the true heart of America to the
far corners of the globe. CIA propaganda no longer holds together, but is
fragmented by millions of emails a day, plus radical jests, essays, cartoons.
Coordinated actions are joined together by people who understand the stakes we
are striving for, and the risk to our world of letting the Bush agenda go
unchallenged.

Make no mistake, notwithstanding Bush’s involvement with the 9-11 attacks, the
people behind Bush are out to tear apart every obstacle to their corporate
agenda, using the pretext of National Security. No longer does Bush spout
platitudes about a war on terror and humanitarian intervention, which justified
the bombing of Afghanistan to rubble. The Bush agenda against Iraq is now
touted as “preemptive war,” fighting fire with fire to wipe out weapons of mass
destruction, even if no credible evidence of these weapons exist. Bush’s demand
for regime change backed by the threat of nuclear attack upsets the very basis
of world order accepted since the 1648 Peace of Westphalia. His military agenda
challenges the U.N. Charter of 1945, at the same time attempting to dismantle
and disempower the International Criminal Court. Why? Because one of the
explicit crimes layed out out the Nuremberg trials was “preemptive war.” First
Afghanistan, then Iraq, where will it end?

The uber-Bubba Bush and his handlers attempt to pass this off as a patriotic
reaction to having our planes hijacked and the Trade Towers destroyed, but the
evidence shows that Bush had this agenda when he took over the country, that
the 9-11 attacks gave him the means and justification to seize Saddam’s oil,
even when there’s no credible connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam. We are
witnessing the largest military build-up in history, an unprecedented threat to
use preemptive nuclear force, an unelected regime of far-right extremists
unapologetically dismantling our constitutional rights and enforcing their
military dictatorship on the entire world. The ethical challenge this threat
poses to our future should cause every person in the world to take action!

Millions of people are rising up around the world, intellectuals, unionists,
environmentalists, military veterans, mothers, reverends, all joining hands for
the sake of our planet and the peace which so many millions fought and died
for. We are demanding a true investigation of the Bush regime and their agenda,
their culpability in the 9-11 attacks, their corporate and fascist financing,
their involvement in drug-running, arms dealing, pharmaceutical investing, and
CIA assassination programs. America needs treatment for a very malignant
cancer, one which has taken over the very heart of the nation, and is poisoning
our lifeblood with hate and division. We need to perform emergency surgery– we
need regime change in the United States! Say no to self-appointed military
dictators, not only in Iraq, but here in America! The Bush family must be
exposed, along with the CIA’s agenda of the past century.

While American corporate media tries to sell us the idea that aggression and
exploitation are now “sexy” and ruthless violence is necessary and
entertaining, we must rescue our nation from the real threat to our Security,
and reclaim our ideals. We, the People. In order to form a more perfect Union.
Demand that despots and criminals be held accountable. That war crimes will not
be tolerated at home or abroad, for any justification. That the sovereignty of
nations will be respected, and democratic processes will not be hijacked. That
the People’s right to a free and objective press will not be sold-out and
corrupted. That our children will not be put in harm’s way for the sake of
multinational oil companies and arms manufacturers. That even the most elevated
criminals will be brought to justice, no matter who their fathers may be able
to buy, or assassinate.

Here in Hawai’i, a native nation long suffering under the boot of the American
military has attempted every democratic and ethical appeal to the American
government. Since Bush took over the country, more military mobilizations have
taken place, more claiming of Native Hawaiian homelands for military bombing
practice, more Special Forces and black helicopter search and seizures, more
evictions of Native Hawaiians from their beach homes, while the American media
looks the other way, and Americans are blissfully ignorant of it all. This is a
so-called state of our Union, with third-world exploitation against a nation
that has yet to secure recognition like any other native nation! That’s because
Hawai’i was overthrown by the U.S. Marines in a so-called “preemptive
intervention” to
protectAmerican sugar interests and secure Pearl Harbor. Every Hawaiian knows
that the overthrow was a trumped-up justification to steal the land, and to
repress the most recognized and educated native nation in the world, the
Hawaiian Kingdom. And America still claims we are giving Native Hawaiians the
protection of our “democracy.”

Look around the world, America. One thing you can conclude with absolute
reassurance, from the historical record. Our European allies are trying to
drill it into us. Every empire that has ever existed, from the Romans to the
British, from the Spanish to the Third Reich, has collapsed catastrophically,
mostly in shame and ruin. For the justifications of colonization and
expansionism eventually cost the society too dearly, and the empire runs out of
young people to send to the frontlines to die for political ideology. Mostly
women, old folks, and children are left to rebuild the society, recover the
memories of the culture, and to try the militarists and tyrants for crimes
against humanity. For better or worse, we are now at a crossroads of empire, in
a brand new millennium, where we must deal with the past American century, and
a rogue band of extremist ideologues who have taken over the country.

America will do well to address all of the ills which poison our immune system,
having allowed this cancer to develop to such an explosive stage. We must root
out the legacy of slavery and genocide, as well as the white supremacist ideals
of the founding fathers and their descendant secret societies, such as Bush’s
Skull-and-Bones. To reclaim the American Dream, and save the world from a
nuclear winter, Americans are being called to confront the very representatives
of their most carcinogenic past: the elitists, aggressors, conspirators and
exploiters of suffering who currently control the White House. The consequences
of not reclaiming our American Dream are too grisly and nightmarish to imagine,
but we can look to the collapse of the Roman Empire for an example. 9-11 was
only a taste of the retribution our nation will suffer if the Bush-CIA agenda
is allowed to continue its aggression and the criminal attempt to undermine the
United Nations.

Remember the best of our dreams: Martin Luther King and the courageous men and
women who gave their lives to raise us to a place where world peace was
actually possible. Those who struggled against ignorance and elitism to abolish
slavery, to secure decent wages and working conditions, to have women respected
as equals. The artists and writers who brought the eyes of the world to ours,
so that we could see how our global family is interrelated. The veterans who
have told of their of sacrifice and suffering, and have asked us to pledge to
end war. And especially remember the world’s children, our greatest hope for a
secure future, whose very lives are in our hands. This nuclear madness must end
now, or perhaps never. The fate of the world will be decided in the coming
days. We can no longer afford to surrender our dreams to criminals.

“The nuclear bomb is the most antidemocratic, antinational, antihuman, outright
evil thing that man has ever made. If you are religious then remember that this
bomb is Man’s challenge to God. It’s worded quite simply: We have the power to
destroy everything that You have created.

If you’re not religious, then look at it this way. This world of ours is four
thousand, six hundred million years old. It could end in an afternoon.”

— Arundhati Roy “The End of Imagination”

“There can never be complete agreement on international control and the
administration of atomic energy or on general disarmament until there is a
modification of the traditional concept of national sovereignty. For as long as
atomic energy and armaments are considered a vital part of national security no
nation will give more than lip service to international treaties. Security is
indivisable. It can be reached only when necessary guarantees of law and
enforcement obtain everywhere, so that military security is no longer the
problem of any single state. There is no compromise posssible between
preparation for war, on the one hand, and preparation of a world society based
on law and order on the other.Every citizen must make up his mind. If he
accepts the premise of war, he must reconcile himself to the maintanence of
troops in strategic areas like Austria and Korea; to the sending of troops to
Greece and Bulgaria; to the accumulation of stockpiles of uranium by whatever
means; to the universal military training, to the progressive limitation of
civil liberties. Above all, he must endure the consequences of military secrecy
which is one of the worst scourges of our time and one of the greatest
obstacles to cultural betterment.

If on the other hand every citizen realizes that the only guarantee for
security and peace in this atomic age is the constant development of a
supranational government, then he willl do everything in his power to
strengthen the United Nations. It seems to me that every reasonable and
responsible citizen in the world must know where his choice lies.”

— Dr. Albert Einstein “Open Letter to the General Assembly
of the United Nations”

The Alienated State of America: A Hateful Divide 1-28-03 (IDA)
with graphics and links: http://mutanex.com/alienated
Also Posted at FutureWorks MediaMinistry: http://futureworks.blogspot.com

Essay by Bryan Craeg Evans
Information Officer, Planetary Rescue Corps
Ambassador, MUTANEX Earth Portal http://mutanex.com
(Great Grand-Nephew of Albert Einstein)

Quotations by Arundhati Roy “The End of Imagination”
originally appeared in India in the magazine Frontline
Author of the book “The God of Small Things”

Quotations by Dr. Albert Einstein from various Letters
“Atomic War or Peace” 1947
“The Menace of Mass Destruction” 1947
“The Military Mentality” 1947
“Open Letter to the G.A. of the U.N.” 1947

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From: jon freedlander <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Citizen Patrick Goes to Washington
Date: January 28, 2003 at 12:58:08 PM EST
To: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>

Do0d, does somebody who runs something called lsdrecords really need to
ask that question…? Welcome aboard! I think it’d be a great idea to
get somebody to give us a lot of money, I mean as the next step…

z00m,

ahaha thanx =)

hmmm. money has never really been a strong point of mine. you’d think being
that my parents are jewish i’d be pretty decent in that department, but i
think my genes short changed me.. so…who can we solicit for funds? where can
we find overly rich weirdos? things to ponder…

or maybe we can recruit a team of expert thieves to raid other political
parties….wait, no, that’s far too nixon…

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] granny is addicted but ineligable for treatment?
Date: January 28, 2003 at 10:00:33 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Cc: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/67308.htm

GRANNY IS A JUNKIE

By DENISE BUFFA

January 23, 2003 — An accused pill-pushing granny is also a pill-popper who
needs help – but her lawyer says he’s having trouble finding the right rehab
for a Russian-speaking grandma who swallows 200 pills a month.
“She doesn’t use cocaine or heroin. She uses painkillers,” defense lawyer
Joseph Muré Jr. said, “and she has mental health problems.”
The granny, Roza Shusterman, 80, showed up in Brooklyn Supreme Court
yesterday – with a cane instead of her trademark walker – prepared to admit
guilt in the prescription-drug-sale case provided she’d go into a program
instead of prison, Muré said….

Her lawyer says in court documents the pills were prescribed to combat her
various ailments, but yesterday he said she’s addicted to Dilaudid, which
has been called “drugstore heroin” on the street.
When court personnel interviewed her about drug use yesterday, Shusterman –
who sported a helmet of gray hair – told them she didn’t use coke or smack,
and they deemed her ineligible for a program, Muré said.
snip-

This reminds me of the first time I sought treatment for myself, for crack
cocaine use, and had to stop to drink a couple beers before actually
arriving at the place, on the advice of the person we spoke to over the
phone at the treatment facility, who told me that the state of Florida would
not pay for simple crack abuse treatment, that I had to have an alcohol
problem to be admitted into the place, in 1987.
Hmmm….
Peace,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor at Large High Times mag/.com
“Prohibition creates an irresistibly lucrative
opportunity for entrepreneurs willing to operate
in illicit business. It is the policy
of idealists who cannot appreciate that the use
of drugs often reflects other sets of human
ideals: human perfectibility, the yearning
for a perfect moment, the peace that comes
from oblivion.” Richard Davenport-Hines

From: “Sandra K” <windforme@graffiti.net>
Subject: [ibogaine] Re: gorillas and iboga
Date: January 27, 2003 at 11:38:48 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

found this too:

Bwiti origin legends credit the Pygmies with the discovery of iboga. Pygmies in turn attribute
ibogas discovery to warthogs, porcupine and gorillas that dig holes at the base of plant to
chew the roots, then go into state of nervous excitement (Barabe 1982).

and

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:rvs88OlmiaEC:https://lists.calyx.nl/archives/ibogaine/2
001-December/000064.html+ibogaine+gorillas&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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From: “Sandra K” <windforme@graffiti.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:30:07 -0800
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: question for the list [ibogaine]

found this:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:x_p95qO1JJ8C:www.kamakala.com/cannabis.htm+ib
oga+boars&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:10:07 -0800 (PST)
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: question for the list [ibogaine]

I read a long time back that elephant would eat the root once a year is that
true.

Anyone hear of this? I think I recall hearing gorillas eating the root…

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From: “Sandra K” <windforme@graffiti.net>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: question for the list [ibogaine]
Date: January 27, 2003 at 11:30:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

found this:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:x_p95qO1JJ8C:www.kamakala.com/cannabis.htm+iboga+boars&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:10:07 -0800 (PST)
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: question for the list [ibogaine]

I read a long time back that elephant would eat the root once a year is that
true.

Anyone hear of this? I think I recall hearing gorillas eating the root…

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From: “Sandra K” <windforme@graffiti.net>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Fwd: question for the list [ibogaine]
Date: January 27, 2003 at 10:20:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I thought I read something about boars digging up the root to eat it… not sure tho.

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:10:07 -0800 (PST)
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: question for the list [ibogaine]

I read a long time back that elephant would eat the root once a year is that
true.

Anyone hear of this? I think I recall hearing gorillas eating the root…

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Fwd: question for the list [ibogaine]
Date: January 27, 2003 at 10:10:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I read a long time back that elephant would eat the root once a year is that
true.

Anyone hear of this? I think I recall hearing gorillas eating the root…

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From: “R. A. Venglarcik” <raven@sybercom.net>
Subject: [ibogaine] More Methadone Horror Stories
Date: January 27, 2003 at 9:17:06 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From a Canadian friend…

From Saint John, New Brunswick:
Michael Hebert cut off his remaining toe this week.
The 26-year-old inmate of the Saint John Regional Correctional Centre in
New Brunswick used the blade from a razor Monday to make the cut and
protest being taken off methadone.
Despite the “severe pain” Hebert said he’ll continue to mutilate himself
until he gets put back on the program he said he needs to combat a
heroin addiction.
“Either I get on this program or I ain’t gonna come out of this sentence
alive,” he said.
Hebert had his parole revoked last September and was sent to the Saint
John Jail to await a weapons charge.
Jail officials cut off his methadone after a urine test revealed the
presence of marijuana.
Methadone, a synthetic opiate, is used to treat addiction to opiates
such as heroin, codeine and morphine.
________________________________________________________________________
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I wonder if they’ll be cutting the pay of the lazy jail staff who failed
to do their jobs by safeguarding Mr. Hebert from the smuggling
activities related to this vicious and destructive weed.

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] amino acids / proteins
Date: January 27, 2003 at 1:49:51 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I can’t answer that question but when detoxing and/or re-cooperating from
Ibogaine treatment ELECTROLYTES help quite a bit. Those purchased at a health
food store in liquid form are the best, but even the little packets of EmergenC
are quite helpful.

— Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si> wrote:
Hi all,

does someone know what happens on amino acid / protein level when:

1. one is thinking REALLY hard
2. during Ibogaine treatment
3. during abstinence syndrome
4. during REM sleep

I’d like to know (even more detailed than is possible) which amino acids or
proteins are formed, which are vanishing…

Thank you,

Marko

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From: “Rick Venglarcik” <RickV@hnncsb.org>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] amino acids / proteins
Date: January 27, 2003 at 1:26:58 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Try sleepnet http://www.sleepnet.com/sitemap.html
…or “neurochemistry of sleep” on google.

Happy hunting.

Personally, although I enjoy my sleep, I think it’s a huge waste of
time.

I can’t recall the television show (Alias?) that I saw the preview for,
but a woman was doing some specific type of meditation, which reduced
her need for sleep to a few hours per night. Regular practitioners of
TM often report a decreased need for sleep. A former gummint medical
spook told once me about some Russian Research where they were able to
achieve 1-2 hours of sleep per night for 30 days at a time. Does anyone
out there have any further information on this subject?

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Iboga@guest.arnes.si 01/27/03 01:13PM >>>
Hi Brett,

unfortunately, this is not what I’d need :-((
I tried to contact the editor, though, but their forms go to nowhere
;-))

I think it would be very good to know answers to those questions!

Marko

At 18:29 27.1.2003, you wrote:
Marko

Interesting question and one I have pondered.

I found this on sleep.

http://www.csa.com/hottopics/sleep/oview.html

Brett

— Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si> wrote:
Hi all,

does someone know what happens on amino acid /
protein level when:

1. one is thinking REALLY hard
2. during Ibogaine treatment
3. during abstinence syndrome
4. during REM sleep

I’d like to know (even more detailed than is
possible) which amino acids or
proteins are formed, which are vanishing…

Thank you,

Marko

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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] super bowl marijuana ad
Date: January 27, 2003 at 1:21:49 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

it’s the parents they’re targeting, as well as the tweens and teens, and they even admit it. (See second item below.)
Peace,
Preston
——

Two media related links to reports on the War on Some Drugs and Users,
one reporting on how much of the corporate media is reporting a recent
report allegedly proving that marijuana is a “gateway” drug, which can be
found here:
1-
http://www.drugwar.com/mcvayverify.shtm
Trust But Verify
by Doug McVay- Common Sense for Drug Policy-
for DrugWar.com
(image)
Using this stuff leads to hard drug
use and abuse?
posted Jan. 23, 2003
The drug war rests on a bed of lies. From time to time, new studies come out
which are claimed by drug warriors to support one or another myth.
Sometimes, getting to the truth is relatively easy.
By now people have heard of the just-published report in JAMA regarding
‘gateway theory’ and cannabis use
(it’s available free >from JAMA at
http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v289n4/rfull/joc21156.html).
Many media outlets are reporting the research as showing that cannabis use
at an early age leads to use of hard drugs later on. There’s a good deal
less — and more — to the study than has been reported so far, at least in
the US.
snip-
Read report at above URL
—
2-
Then there’s the following report (see below) from NIDA on the fact that the
ONDCP National Anti-Drug Media Campaign is not only not keeping kids from
trying illegal drugs, it even appears to be driving more to try pot. This
isn’t exactly new news, though it is a new report, in that Drug Czar Walters
told Congress last year that the prior stages of the Media Campaign had
already had this same result, but that the prohibitionists could build a
bigger, better, faster version if only we’d give them yet more of our
tax-dollars.

—– Original Message —–
From: preston peet
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: [drugwar] Fw: New antidrug media campaign evaluation – quotes

—– Original Message —–
From: Doug McVay
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: New antidrug media campaign evaluation – quotes

Good Morning All,
The following are some quotes from the newly released Fifth Semiannual
Evaluation of the Anti-drug Media Campaign which may prove useful. It
should be noted that this evaluation includes the terrorism ads which
debuted on last year’s Super Bowl, which, as this report confirms, were
indeed failures.
Again, copies of the evaluation can be downloaded from
http://www.nida.nih.gov/despr/westat/
Have a great day,
Doug

———-
Source: Hornik, Robert, et al., “Evaluation of the National Youth
Anti-Drug Media Campaign: Fifth Semi-Annual Report of Findings,”
Delivered to: National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institutes of
Health, Department of Health and Human Services By: Westat & the
Annenberg School for Communication, Contract No.: N01DA-8-5063, November
2002.

“There is no statistically significant change for the full 12- to
18-year-old sample in intentions to use
marijuana once or twice over the five waves of measurement among prior
nonusers. There is,
however, a small trend, unfavorable to the Campaign, on marijuana
intentions among 14- to
18-year-old nonusers. The downward trend appears to be statistically
equivalent among both the 14-
to 15-year-olds and 16- to 18-year-olds.” (p. 5-8)

“After controlling for confounders by propensity scoring, there is no
significant cross-sectional
association between either exposure measure and intentions to use
marijuana for the entire Wave 1
through Wave 5 population of 12- to 18-year-old youth (see Table 5-F and
Detail Tables 5-33 and
5-34).
There is also no statistically significant cross-sectional association
between general exposure and the
Attitudes/Beliefs Index, nor between specific exposure and the
Attitudes/Belief Index as shown by
the nonsignificant gammas in the table above. However, there is a
significant direct effect (comparing
the lowest exposed group with the average group) of specific exposure on
the Attitudes/Belief Index,
in an unfavorable direction. This is shown in Table 5-G as well as in
Detail Tables 5-35 and 5-36.” (p. 5-12)

“The cross-sectional results for the self-efficacy scale are essentially
consistent with the
Attitudes/Beliefs Index. There is no statistically significant
cross-sectional association of general
exposure and the Self Efficacy to Refuse Index, nor of specific exposure
and Self-Efficacy. There is a
significant direct effect of specific exposure on the Self Efficacy
Index in an unfavorable direction.” (p. 5-13)

“In conclusion then, the gamma statistic provides no supportive evidence
that concurrent campaign
exposure is associated either favorably or unfavorably with any of the
four cognitive outcomes for the
full sample of 12- to 18-year-olds. The direct effect suggests an
unfavorable association between
specific exposure and attitudes/behavior and self-efficacy. (pp.
5-13-14)

“There was no evidence (judged by gamma) for statistically significant
associations overall, nor for
either of the age subgroups nor for any of the other subgroups. The
trend results provide mixed
evidence about favorable versus unfavorable, versus no Campaign effects,
but the associational data
does not support any claims of effects in either direction. Thus far
then, the analyses do not support an
inference of Campaign effects.” (pp. 5-14-15)

“Given the lack of evidence of Campaign effects shown in the previous
sections, finding
evidence for a delayed effect on the cognitive outcomes and on reported
marijuana use had not been
expected. Nonetheless, while the trend data showed both favorable and
unfavorable changes since the
start of the Campaign, and the cross-sectional analysis showed no
evidence of effects at all, the
longitudinal analysis exhibits a mix of no effect and unfavorable effect
results. Where there are any
effects, those who were more exposed to the Campaign at Round 1 tended
to move more markedly in
a “pro-drug” direction as they aged than those who were less exposed.
These are consistent with the
results from the previous report (Hornik, et al 2002).” (p. 5-17)

“For the
eight cognitive outcomes, all of the gammas are negative with four of
the eight results statistically
significant for the full sample. These outcomes involve intentions,
social norms, and self-efficacy. The
associations between both general and specific exposure at Round 1, with
Round 2 intentions to not
use marijuana, are unfavorable and statistically significant. Youth who
were higher on exposure at
Round 1 were more likely to intend to use marijuana at Round 2 than
those with lower exposure at
Round 1. A similar relationship was found for social norms. Youth with
higher general exposure at
Round 1 had more “pro-drug” social norms at Round 2 than those with
lower exposure at Round 1.
There is also a significant unfavorable relationship between specific
exposure and self-efficacy. That
is, youth with higher exposure at Round 1 had lower self-efficacy at
Round 2 than those with lower
exposure at Round 1. Only the attitude/belief index shows no association
at all with either measure of
prior exposure.” (p. 5-17)

“In contrast to the evidence >from the cognitive variables, the overall
results do not show any effect of
Campaign exposure on behavior; i.e., the initiation of use. About 13
percent of all of these nonusing
youth initiated marijuana use between the measurement waves. However the
level of exposure youth
reported at Round 1 does not predict their initiation, once the
propensity scoring adjustments are
incorporated.” (p. 5-17)

“While the negative results described above are not desirable from the
perspective of the Campaign,
they are consistent with the similarly unfavorable results published in
the last semi-annual report.” (p. 5-20)

“The delayed-effects results provided no evidence of a favorable
Campaign effect. On the contrary, all of the evidence from the
delayed-effects analysis suggested either no
Campaign effect, or an unfavorable effect. Three of the four cognitive
outcomes showed an
unfavorable significant association of exposure and outcomes for one or
both of the exposure
measures. The youth, who reported more exposure to Campaign advertising
at Round 1, were more
likely subsequently to show some intention to use marijuana and to
report less self-efficacy to resist
marijuana if it was available to them. However, they were not more
likely to actually report more
initiation of marijuana, once the full set of confounders were
statistically controlled, nor were they
more likely to report higher pro-marijuana scores on an index of beliefs
and attitudes. The delayedeffects
analysis suggests an unfavorable effect of the Campaign. The significant
unfavorable effects on
intentions, self-efficacy, and to some extent, social norms, have not
yet produced statistically
significant effects on marijuana initiation. However, those cognitive
measures are very strongly
predictive of subsequent marijuana initiation. Among nonusing youth, the
odds of initiating use by
Round 2 were 8 times as great for those who did not versus those who did
say “definitely not” to the
intentions question at Round 1. Thus these analyses do not support an
inference of a favorable
Campaign effect. In addition, there continues to be evidence that
exposure to the Campaign predicts
poorer, rather than better outcomes.” (pp. 5-21-22)

“Trend effects are, in fact, partly consistent with an unfavorable
Campaign effect. There was evidence
for an unfavorable, overall trend in social norms, and an unfavorable
trend in intentions for 14- to
18-year-olds. Also, the newly published NHSDA results suggest that there
was a small increase in
marijuana use between 2000 and 2001, an increase that would not have
been detectable with the
NSPY sample. However, the favorable trend on the self-efficacy index is
not consistent with the
evidence for an unfavorable delayed-effects on the same outcome.” (p.
5-23)

“There is then some difficulty, certainly, in reconciling the full set
of results. The inference logic set at
the outset asked for three mutually supportive results to make a claim
for positive Campaign effects: a
favorable trend, a favorable association, and evidence for a favorable
delayed-effects. Obviously these
have not been found, and thus there are no grounds to make a claim that
the Campaign has had a favorable effect on youth thus far.” (pp.
5-23-24)

“By and large the current report sustains the unfavorable results from
the previous one.” (p. 5-24)

“Youth report that their parents engage in these behaviors less
frequently than do parents, at every age.
As examples, while 62 percent of parents of 12- to 18-year-olds claimed
they always or almost always
knew where children were when they were away from home, only 49 percent
of youth agreed; 63
percent of parents but only 32 percent of youth claimed that parents
always or almost always knew the
child’s plans for the coming day. Finally, 27 percent of parents, but
only 8 percent of youth said they
never spent time alone with other children without adult supervision.
Also, as can be seen in Table
6-B, there is no parallel pattern of change in youth reports that would
reinforce parents’ claims. For
12- to 18-year-olds, parents claim to be monitoring more, but youth do
not report a similar change
(see also Detail Table 6-3).” (p. 6-8)

“The parallel data from youth about the same talk questions provide a
very different picture from the
parent reports (Table 6-E and Detail Table 6-4), with much lower
absolute levels of reported talk.
While parents report undertaking 2.4 out of 3 behaviors, their children
report approximately 1.5 of
those behaviors. Finally, while parents showed a small but favorable
change, the youth reports show
an unfavorable change of the same magnitude, which is also statistically
significant. Every age group
of children, except for the 16- to 18-year-olds, shows a statistically
significant unfavorable trend. As
will be shown below, there is evidence that these favorable
parent-reported trends among parents of all
youth aged 12 to 18 complement a strong cross-sectional association
between exposure and talking
behavior. However, the lack of support in child reports of talking
behavior brings into question an
otherwise strong inference about Campaign effects on parent and youth
talk about drugs.” (p. 6-10)

“For all youth aged 12 to 18, there were no cross-sectional overall
associations for either measure of
parental exposure and youth past year marijuana use. There was one
significant association by
subgroup: for the general exposure measure there were unfavorable
direct, overall, and maximum
associations for Hispanic youth. This subgroup association was not found
in the previous report. For
the specific exposure measure, there were no significant associations.
This subgroup result must
therefore be interpreted with caution.
“For all youth 12 to 18 years old, there were no significant overall
associations between either measure
of exposure and intentions to not use marijuana, anti-marijuana beliefs
and attitudes, perceived antimarijuana
social norms, and self-efficacy to refuse marijuana.” (p. 6-22)

“As has been shown, youth report a very different picture about parent
talk with them about drug
topics. Youth reports of talking are much lower than parent reports, and
more notably youth report
that drug talk with parents is declining over the course of the
Campaign. This creates concern about
the confidence to be placed in the upward trend reported by parents.
Also, there is little evidence that
the talk variable, as measured here, is related to youth drug use.
Parent reports of talk do not predict
any lowered likelihood of youth initiating marijuana use for nonusing
youth. Thus any claim of a
Campaign effect on parents is tempered by a concern that it is an effect
on an outcome with an
uncertain relation to youth behavior.” (p. 6-26)

———-

—
Doug McVay
Editor, Drug War Facts
Research Director/Projects Coordinator
Common Sense for Drug Policy
1327 Harvard Street NW (lower level), Washington, DC 20009
202-332-9101 — fax 202-518-4028
http://www.csdp.org/ — http://www.drugwarfacts.org/
dmcvay@csdp.org

“There is no need to go into the oft-told story of the
events of that week. The insurgents fought with a typical
Irish gallantry, attacked by soldiers using artillery and
outnumbering them twenty to one. Cut off from all possible
support >from the country, or from reinforcements of any
kind, they held out for almost a week, during which Dublin
was badly damaged and over three thousand people died.
The leaders knew their rising was bound to fail, but they
were prepared to barter their lives against the
possibilities of their various dreams coming true after
their deaths.”
— Tim Pat Coogan describing the Easter Rising of 1916
in his book, “The IRA: A History” (Niwot, CO: Roberts
Rinehart Publishers, 1994), pp. 14-15.

—– Original Message —–
From: Randy Hencken
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:43 AM
Subject: [ibogaine] super bowl marijuana ad

I saw the new ad that our Drug Czar produced yesterday, the one about the
teenage girl getting pregnant due to impaired judgment from smoking pot, HA!
The producers of that ad are so clueless. In Amerika, in the face of
alcohol, our number one, legal and accepted drug, seriously the cause of
millions of unwanted sexual encounters. Our teenagers aren’t dumb enough to
fall for this line of advertising. If I was 16 years old I would have only
been insulted by this futile attempt at scaring me away from pot. That ad
must have cost over a million dollars to run. And it was run between dozens
of budweiser ads.

When I was a teenager, even today, guaranteed way for me to ruin a first
date and not get laid…smoke a joint with the girl.

Alcohol is the magic that comes in the form of a sex…six pack.

What rock do these people hide under?

-Randy

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From: Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] amino acids / proteins
Date: January 27, 2003 at 1:13:46 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Brett,

unfortunately, this is not what I’d need :-((
I tried to contact the editor, though, but their forms go to nowhere ;-))

I think it would be very good to know answers to those questions!

Marko

At 18:29 27.1.2003, you wrote:
Marko

Interesting question and one I have pondered.

I found this on sleep.

http://www.csa.com/hottopics/sleep/oview.html

Brett

— Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> does someone know what happens on amino acid /
> protein level when:
>
> 1. one is thinking REALLY hard
> 2. during Ibogaine treatment
> 3. during abstinence syndrome
> 4. during REM sleep
>
> I’d like to know (even more detailed than is
> possible) which amino acids or
> proteins are formed, which are vanishing…
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marko
>
>
>

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] amino acids / proteins
Date: January 27, 2003 at 12:29:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Marko

Interesting question and one I have pondered.

I found this on sleep.

http://www.csa.com/hottopics/sleep/oview.html

Brett

— Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si> wrote:
Hi all,

does someone know what happens on amino acid /
protein level when:

1. one is thinking REALLY hard
2. during Ibogaine treatment
3. during abstinence syndrome
4. during REM sleep

I’d like to know (even more detailed than is
possible) which amino acids or
proteins are formed, which are vanishing…

Thank you,

Marko

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From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] super bowl marijuana ad
Date: January 27, 2003 at 12:22:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Beautiful Rick, simply beautiful.

From: “Rick Venglarcik” <RickV@hnncsb.org>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] super bowl marijuana ad
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:18:59 -0500

They hide beneath the rock of profit;
their hands sink deeply
within pockets lined of paper:
Budweiser stocks,
corporate bonds,
dividends,
and the gods of wealth and greed.
They weigh the worth of other men’s souls
in terms of dollars, not sense…
their solid rock of truth…they firmly rest upon that which is
politically expedient
for the moment.
They have grown blind…become deaf
in the pursuit of riches,while poor men starve.

…then shake their heads and mutter excuses when their children are
sacrificed on altars.

In my opinion, anyway.

_____________________________________
Rick Venglarcik, MA, CSAC
Hampton Roads Clinic
2236 W. Queen St., Suite C
Hampton, VA 23666

Office: (757) 827-8430 x144
Fax: (757) 826-2772
Cell: (757) 270-9839
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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] super bowl marijuana ad
Date: January 27, 2003 at 12:22:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Well Spoken!

— Rick Venglarcik <RickV@hnncsb.org> wrote:
They hide beneath the rock of profit;
their hands sink deeply
within pockets lined of paper:
Budweiser stocks,
corporate bonds,
dividends,
and the gods of wealth and greed.
They weigh the worth of other men’s souls
in terms of dollars, not sense…
their solid rock of truth…they firmly rest upon that which is
politically expedient
for the moment.
They have grown blind…become deaf
in the pursuit of riches,while poor men starve.

…then shake their heads and mutter excuses when their children are
sacrificed on altars.

In my opinion, anyway.

_____________________________________
Rick Venglarcik, MA, CSAC
Hampton Roads Clinic
2236 W. Queen St., Suite C
Hampton, VA 23666

Office: (757) 827-8430 x144
Fax: (757) 826-2772
Cell: (757) 270-9839
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From: “Rick Venglarcik” <RickV@hnncsb.org>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] super bowl marijuana ad
Date: January 27, 2003 at 12:18:59 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

…then shake their heads and mutter excuses when their children are
sacrificed on altars.

In my opinion, anyway.

_____________________________________
Rick Venglarcik, MA, CSAC
Hampton Roads Clinic
2236 W. Queen St., Suite C
Hampton, VA 23666

Office: (757) 827-8430 x144
Fax: (757) 826-2772
Cell: (757) 270-9839
_____________________________________

From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] super bowl marijuana ad
Date: January 27, 2003 at 11:43:06 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I saw the new ad that our Drug Czar produced yesterday, the one about the teenage girl getting pregnant due to impaired judgment from smoking pot, HA! The producers of that ad are so clueless. In Amerika, in the face of alcohol, our number one, legal and accepted drug, seriously the cause of millions of unwanted sexual encounters. Our teenagers aren’t dumb enough to fall for this line of advertising. If I was 16 years old I would have only been insulted by this futile attempt at scaring me away from pot. That ad must have cost over a million dollars to run. And it was run between dozens of budweiser ads.

When I was a teenager, even today, guaranteed way for me to ruin a first date and not get laid…smoke a joint with the girl.

Alcohol is the magic that comes in the form of a sex…six pack.

What rock do these people hide under?

-Randy

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From: Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si>
Subject: [ibogaine] amino acids / proteins
Date: January 27, 2003 at 10:21:14 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,

does someone know what happens on amino acid / protein level when:

1. one is thinking REALLY hard
2. during Ibogaine treatment
3. during abstinence syndrome
4. during REM sleep

I’d like to know (even more detailed than is possible) which amino acids or proteins are formed, which are vanishing…

Thank you,

Marko

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] the guilt-free soldier?
Date: January 26, 2003 at 12:28:08 PM EST
To: ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Cc: digital@phantom.com

Mr Peet,

interesting piece, and friggin scary. I don’t doubt for a minute that some our
finest three letter organizations have already been using such substances for
some time, although fear is one of their most crucial and motivating
influences.

My last ibo experience seemed to focus on fear, my own and the collective
conscience of the world right now. Fear has been used since the begining of
time to control us… scary to think some select soldiers could be immune from
its clutches… makes you stop and think, eh?

-hope all’s well in NYC…

-dh

— preston peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/1565437.php
The Guilt-Free Soldier
by Erik Baard . Friday January 24, 2003 at 02:40 PM

New Science Raises the Specter of a World Without Regret

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] drugs without perscriptions?
Date: January 26, 2003 at 12:19:55 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— preston peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Does the following look to anyone else like a set-up? Like, one of the ops
whereby the feds/whoever set up a crime situation enticing suckers in to see
how many arrests they can add to next year’s justification for more War
funding? Or this sort of thing legit, and if so, how in the heck could it
be? Not having read the small print yet, I suppose they may warn that it
isn’t legal in some countries, but like I said, I haven’t read the small
print.

There are a bunch of these sites out there, most of the “online pharmacies”
that sell opiods are located in Mexico. Their deal is you must first purchase a
membership, some will sell without a script, others make you pay for that
first. Its exensive for vicodin and oxy’s because those are only manufactured
in the good ole U.S. of A. and must be imported across the border. A lot of the
sites won’t sell opiates/iods but sell tranq’s and shit like viagra, celebrex,
and other pharmaceuticals.

Then there are other “Online Pharmacy” sites that you have to pay to enter,
once you do they only provide links/contacts to pharmacies that may or may not
have what you seek. which 90% of turn out to be dead-ends if you are seeking
narcotics.

Interesting thought as it being a setup, although I believe there is a law
permitting 90 US citizens to purchase days worth of medicine from foriegn
pharmacies.

this site does offer the following, aparently: (But something smells fishy, if
not steeply priced)

http://www.borderpharmacy.com/sample/vicodin.html

http://www.borderpharmacy.com/sample/oxycontin.html

http://www.borderpharmacy.com/sample/lorazepam.html

http://www.borderpharmacy.com/sample/lortab.html

-gamma

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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] the calm before the storm
Date: January 26, 2003 at 11:13:53 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Cc: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.drugwar.com/pcalmstorm.shtm

The Calm Before the Storm
by Preston Peet-
for the New York Waste-
Feb. 2003
(image)
peacefully ill
posted at DrugWar.com
January 26, 2003
…..
“You’ve done heroin? That’s the one drug I really want to try, but I haven’t
ever seen it,” Jennifer says to Thomas one early Winter evening, staring at
him with her great big eyes, sitting up half naked in their bed in Atlanta,
Georgia. They’ve been discussing their favorite topics- music, sex and
drugs.
“Oh yeah?” says Thomas. “How would you want to do it, sniff, smoke or shoot
it?”
“Shoot it for sure,” she replied.
Thomas has himself a mission….
snip-
Read Story at above URL
Peace,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor at Large High Times mag/.com
“Prohibition creates an irresistibly lucrative
opportunity for entrepreneurs willing to operate
in illicit business. It is the policy
of idealists who cannot appreciate that the use
of drugs often reflects other sets of human
ideals: human perfectibility, the yearning
for a perfect moment, the peace that comes
from oblivion.” Richard Davenport-Hines

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] drugs without perscriptions?
Date: January 26, 2003 at 10:47:50 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Cc: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Does the following look to anyone else like a set-up? Like, one of the ops
whereby the feds/whoever set up a crime situation enticing suckers in to see
how many arrests they can add to next year’s justification for more War
funding? Or this sort of thing legit, and if so, how in the heck could it
be? Not having read the small print yet, I suppose they may warn that it
isn’t legal in some countries, but like I said, I haven’t read the small
print.

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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor at Large High Times mag/.com
“Prohibition creates an irresistibly lucrative
opportunity for entrepreneurs willing to operate
in illicit business. It is the policy
of idealists who cannot appreciate that the use
of drugs often reflects other sets of human
ideals: human perfectibility, the yearning
for a perfect moment, the peace that comes
from oblivion.” Richard Davenport-Hines

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] the guilt-free soldier?
Date: January 26, 2003 at 7:31:56 AM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Cc: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/1565437.php
The Guilt-Free Soldier
by Erik Baard . Friday January 24, 2003 at 02:40 PM

New Science Raises the Specter of a World Without Regret
A soldier faces a drab cluster of buildings off a broken highway, where the
enemy is encamped among civilians. Local farmers and their families are
routinely forced to fill the basements and shacks, acting as human shields
for weapons that threaten the lives of other civilians, the soldier’s
comrades, and his cause in this messy 21st-century war.
There will be no surgical strikes tonight. The artillery this soldier can
unleash with a single command to his mobile computer will bring flames and
screaming, deafening blasts and unforgettably acrid air. The ground around
him will be littered with the broken bodies of women and children, and he’ll
have to walk right through. Every value he learned as a boy tells him to
back down, to return to base and find another way of routing the enemy. Or,
he reasons, he could complete the task and rush back to start popping pills
that can, over the course of two weeks, immunize him against a lifetime of
crushing remorse. He draws one last clean breath and fires.
Pills like those won’t be available to the troops heading off for possible
war with Iraq, but the prospect of a soul absolved by meds remains very
real. Feelings of guilt and regret travel neural pathways in a manner that
mimics the tracings of ingrained fear, so a prophylactic against one could
guard against the other. Several current lines of research, some federally
funded, show strong promise for this.
At the University of California at Irvine, experiments in rats indicate that
the brain’s hormonal reactions to fear can be inhibited, softening the
formation of memories and the emotions they evoke. At New York University,
researchers are mastering the means of short-circuiting the very wiring of
primal fear. At Columbia University one Nobel laureate’s lab has discovered
the gene behind a fear-inhibiting protein, uncovering a vision of “fight or
flight” at the molecular level. In Puerto Rico, at the Ponce School of
Medicine, scientists are discovering ways to help the brain unlearn fear and
inhibitions by stimulating it with magnets. And at Harvard University,
survivors of car accidents are already swallowing propranolol pills, in the
first human trials of that common cardiac drug as a means to nip the effects
of trauma in the bud.
The web of your worst nightmares, your hauntings and panics and shame,
radiates from a dense knot of neurons called the amygdala. With each new
frightening or humiliating experience, or even the reliving of an old one,
this fear center triggers a release of hormones that sear horrifying
impressions into your brain. That which is unbearable becomes unforgettable
too. Unless, it seems, you act quickly enough to block traumatic memories
from taking a stranglehold.
Some observers say that in the name of human decency there are some things
people should have to live with. They object to the idea of medicating away
one’s conscience.
“It’s the morning-after pill for just about anything that produces regret,
remorse, pain, or guilt,” says Dr. Leon Kass, chairman of the President’s
Council on Bioethics, who emphasizes that he’s speaking as an individual and
not on behalf of the council. Barry Romo, a national coordinator for Vietnam
Veterans Against the War, is even more blunt. “That’s the devil pill,” he
says. “That’s the monster pill, the anti-morality pill. That’s the pill that
can make men and women do anything and think they can get away with it. Even
if it doesn’t work, what’s scary is that a young soldier could believe it
will.”
Are we ready for the infamous Nuremberg plea?”I was just following
orders”?to be made easier with pharmaceuticals? Though the research so far
has been limited to animals and the most preliminary of human trials, the
question is worth debating now.
snip-
Peace,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor at Large High Times mag/.com
“Prohibition creates an irresistibly lucrative
opportunity for entrepreneurs willing to operate
in illicit business. It is the policy
of idealists who cannot appreciate that the use
of drugs often reflects other sets of human
ideals: human perfectibility, the yearning
for a perfect moment, the peace that comes
from oblivion.” Richard Davenport-Hines

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] just what we’ve all been waiting for…
Date: January 26, 2003 at 2:48:33 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Patrick, order us two each on the MindVox Corporate Card.

http://www.voodoomachine.com/?wid=1425&bid=3

-gamma

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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] re butthole surfers
Date: January 25, 2003 at 12:46:22 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

please don’t forget about the butthole surfers they put on some of the best
shows i’ve ever been to and they used to hang out with william s burroughs<

For your amusement-

http://www.drugwar.com/pshroomshows.shtm
A Simple Experiment Goes Well
Butthole Surfers are a better Shroom Band than Jane’s Addiction
By Preston Peet (Originally published in the New York Waste, Nov. 2001)
I was reading Melbomene Whitehead’s Subderma column in the October issue of
the New York Waste one lazy Thursday afternoon, enthralled with her vivid
account of patriotic bra shopping, when I came to her declaration of the
unsuitability of wearing a certain bra to the upcoming Butthole Surfers’
concert.
I immediately threw down the Waste as I leapt to my feet.
“V,” I exclaimed, “Butthole Surfers are playing next week, and I’m going to
get tickets right now.” And I did.
Upon waking the next morning, what should I find on my computer keyboard but
a confirmation note saying that 2 Jane’s Addiction tickets were in the
process of heading our way.
Jane’s Addiction tickets? What?
Sure enough, seems that while at work V heard about a Jane’s Addiction show
at Madison Square Garden the very next Monday, October 15th, just a weekend
away, and managed to hook us tickets.
Holy shit, two of my all time favorite bands, (among an uncountable
multitude really), and they were playing the same week, and we were going to
see them both.
In the interests of science, I decided to undertake a seriously controlled
experiment, to see which band was a better show to see on shrooms.
snip-

Peace,
Preston
“This one goes to 11. It’s one louder, isn’t it? It’s not ten. You
see, most blokes will be playing at ten. — Where can you go from there?
Where?”
— Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap lead guitarist

—– Original Message —–
From: Bernard C Phifer
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon

Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:22:05 -0500
From: jfreed1 <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
To: ibogaine <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon

===== Original Message From crownofthorns@hushmail.com =====
Bro, saying this is terrible doesnt begin to do it justice. its awful. it
may
be the worst thing anyone has ever recorded and this is coming from me who
used to listen to the dead kennedys. I never knew the sex pistols totally
ruined a frank sinatra song. he’s tone deaf, he cant sing they cant play
the
instruments. it sucks so hard…………………………..

for the record, i think that was a sid vicious solo attempt, not the actual
sex pistols. sid never really played in the sex pistols; the bass on
“nevermind the bollocks” was glen matlock. arguably, sid played bass during
the shows. whether or not it can actually be considered “playing” is a
matter
up for debate. some of the time, they just had a tape back up for him.

in a nutshell, sid was mostly there for his image.

now the dead kennedys were actually talented musicians, at least in my
opinion. there’s not a whole lot of other punk out there that’s as
intricately
orchaestrated, and east bay ray had some really great guitar riffs.

—
League of Surrealistic Discord Records — www.lsdrecords.com

please don’t forget about the butthole surfers they put on some of the best
shows i’ve ever been to and they used to hang out with william s burroughs

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From: Bernard C Phifer <chimp@zwallet.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 25, 2003 at 11:49:42 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:22:05 -0500
From: jfreed1 <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
To: ibogaine <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon

===== Original Message From crownofthorns@hushmail.com =====
Bro, saying this is terrible doesnt begin to do it justice. its awful. it may
be the worst thing anyone has ever recorded and this is coming from me who
used to listen to the dead kennedys. I never knew the sex pistols totally
ruined a frank sinatra song. he’s tone deaf, he cant sing they cant play the
instruments. it sucks so hard…………………………..

for the record, i think that was a sid vicious solo attempt, not the actual
sex pistols. sid never really played in the sex pistols; the bass on
“nevermind the bollocks” was glen matlock. arguably, sid played bass during
the shows. whether or not it can actually be considered “playing” is a matter
up for debate. some of the time, they just had a tape back up for him.

in a nutshell, sid was mostly there for his image.

now the dead kennedys were actually talented musicians, at least in my
opinion. there’s not a whole lot of other punk out there that’s as intricately
orchaestrated, and east bay ray had some really great guitar riffs.

—
League of Surrealistic Discord Records — www.lsdrecords.com

please don’t forget about the butthole surfers they put on some of the best shows i’ve ever been to and they used to hang out with william s burroughs

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From: “Joshua Tinnin” <krinklyfig@myrealbox.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 10:55:18 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Yeah …. veering way off topic. But you’re right, that’s a Sid solo. It was
recorded when the band, and Sid, were disintegrating. It does appear on one
of the Sex Pistols albums, but one released after Sid died. I like Frank
Sinatra, but only because I’ve come to appreciate him as a jazz singer,
which, beneath the lounge veneer, he really was, and a pretty damn good one.
And he was a part of a rowdy gang when he was younger, and got trashed all
the time. Hey, I can relate, except our clothing wasn’t nearly so cool, and
few of us could sing well … and, yeah, none of us had mafia connections,
either.

– jt

—– Original Message —–
From: “Gamma” <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>

“I did it my way” was definately a Sid Solo, and was gloriously
resurrected in
the movie “Sid & Nancy” – Sid being played by Gary Oldman who nailed it,
IMHO.
I loved the movie, and fucking love Sids version of the song. Its horrible
and
timeless and I can’t stand Frank Sinatra anyways.

My 2 cent$.

rock on.

-gamma

— Joshua Tinnin <krinklyfig@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Hey, I *like* the Dead Kennedys – then and now … but Jello is a guy
with
conviction. I’m not so sure I’d say that about the people in the Malcolm
McLaren troupe. But tone deaf? Who cares, dood, it’s punk rawk.

– jt

—– Original Message —–
From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>

Bro, saying this is terrible doesnt begin to do it justice. its awful.
it
may be the worst thing anyone has ever recorded and this is coming from
me
who used to listen to the dead kennedys. I never knew the sex pistols
totally ruined a frank sinatra song. he’s tone deaf, he cant sing they
cant
play the instruments. it sucks so hard…………………………..

Thats pretty good.

I’m listening to it for the 2nd time now. thanks!

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:25:58 -0800 “Patrick K. Kroupa”
<digital@phantom.com>
wrote:
On [Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 01:31:22PM -0500], [jfreed1] wrote:
| >===== Original Message From “Patrick K. Kroupa”
<digital@phantom.com>
=====
| >On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >
| >| — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
| >| > On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:55:50AM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >| >
| >| > | is there anybody out there?
| >| >
| >| > Is there anybody in there…? Just nod if you can hear me.
| >|
| >| Justa little PinPricK…
| >
| >http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sisters%20Of%20Mercy%20-
%20Comfortably
| %20Numb%20(Live%20’00%20Extended%20Cover).mp3
|
|
| <shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the
word? good? =)

Well fine, be like that, HERE is good:

http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sex%20Pistols%20-%20My%20Way%20(Cove
r).mp3

patricK

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 10:30:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

“I did it my way” was definately a Sid Solo, and was gloriously resurrected in
the movie “Sid & Nancy” – Sid being played by Gary Oldman who nailed it, IMHO.
I loved the movie, and fucking love Sids version of the song. Its horrible and
timeless and I can’t stand Frank Sinatra anyways.

My 2 cent$.

rock on.

-gamma

— Joshua Tinnin <krinklyfig@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Hey, I *like* the Dead Kennedys – then and now … but Jello is a guy with
conviction. I’m not so sure I’d say that about the people in the Malcolm
McLaren troupe. But tone deaf? Who cares, dood, it’s punk rawk.

– jt

—– Original Message —–
From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>

Bro, saying this is terrible doesnt begin to do it justice. its awful. it
may be the worst thing anyone has ever recorded and this is coming from me
who used to listen to the dead kennedys. I never knew the sex pistols
totally ruined a frank sinatra song. he’s tone deaf, he cant sing they cant
play the instruments. it sucks so hard…………………………..

Thats pretty good.

I’m listening to it for the 2nd time now. thanks!

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:25:58 -0800 “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
wrote:
On [Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 01:31:22PM -0500], [jfreed1] wrote:
| >===== Original Message From “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
=====
| >On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >
| >| — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
| >| > On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:55:50AM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >| >
| >| > | is there anybody out there?
| >| >
| >| > Is there anybody in there…? Just nod if you can hear me.
| >|
| >| Justa little PinPricK…
| >
| >http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sisters%20Of%20Mercy%20-
%20Comfortably
| %20Numb%20(Live%20’00%20Extended%20Cover).mp3
|
|
| <shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the
word? good? =)

Well fine, be like that, HERE is good:

http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sex%20Pistols%20-%20My%20Way%20(Cove
r).mp3

patricK

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From: “Joshua Tinnin” <krinklyfig@myrealbox.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 9:43:32 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hey, I *like* the Dead Kennedys – then and now … but Jello is a guy with
conviction. I’m not so sure I’d say that about the people in the Malcolm
McLaren troupe. But tone deaf? Who cares, dood, it’s punk rawk.

– jt

—– Original Message —–
From: <crownofthorns@hushmail.com>

Bro, saying this is terrible doesnt begin to do it justice. its awful. it
may be the worst thing anyone has ever recorded and this is coming from me
who used to listen to the dead kennedys. I never knew the sex pistols
totally ruined a frank sinatra song. he’s tone deaf, he cant sing they cant
play the instruments. it sucks so hard…………………………..

Thats pretty good.

I’m listening to it for the 2nd time now. thanks!

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:25:58 -0800 “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
wrote:
On [Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 01:31:22PM -0500], [jfreed1] wrote:
| >===== Original Message From “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
=====
| >On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >
| >| — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
| >| > On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:55:50AM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >| >
| >| > | is there anybody out there?
| >| >
| >| > Is there anybody in there…? Just nod if you can hear me.
| >|
| >| Justa little PinPricK…
| >
| >http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sisters%20Of%20Mercy%20-
%20Comfortably
| %20Numb%20(Live%20’00%20Extended%20Cover).mp3
|
|
| <shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the
word? good? =)

Well fine, be like that, HERE is good:

http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sex%20Pistols%20-%20My%20Way%20(Cove
r).mp3

patricK

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] support granted
Date: January 24, 2003 at 8:41:04 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/21/03 7:28:30 PM, dana@cures-not-wars.org writes:

The NY conference is postponed anyway. What Howard needs is $2500 a
month to run his foundation.

Hi Dana,

While $2,5000.00 per month would be convenient, I have taken a project by
project approach as it appears more practical to me at this time. As I
indicated the Dora Weiner Foundation’s current active project is to support
an ibogaine presentation at the American Association for the Treatment of
Opioid Dependence (AATOD) that will take place in April, in Washington, DC
<www.ibogaine.org/dc.html>.

The cost of the presentation including research, photographic acquisition and
reproduction and conference expenses are anticipated to be $7,500.00. This
represents a significant opportunity to present ibogaine information to a
workshop of that usually consists of two hundred to four hundred methadone
patients, counselors, providers and advocates. There has never been an
opportunity on the part of ibogaine proponents to make such a presentation
previously. What makes the presentation most interesting is that it is on a
common point of ibogaine and methadone patients, that is the advantage held
of the early generation of both ibogaine and methadone patients over later
generations of patients. In each case control and empowerment have been lost
by later generations regardless of the medication used.

The Dora Weiner Foundation web page can be accessed at <www.doraweiner.org>.
Donations of greater than $500.00 which be acknowledged, along with contact
information, in the Ibogaine brochure that will be provided at the workshop
to be held on Tuesday, April 15th. The workshop title is “Medication
Assisted Treatment in Different Practice Settings.” My specific presentation
within that workshop is “Methadone and Ibogaine: A comparison of Patient
Status and Advocacy Issues”.

Tax deductible donations in US dollars in the form of checks or money orders
drawn on US banks should be written to the name of Dora Weiner Foundation and
sent to:

Dora Weiner Foundation
46 Oxford Place
Staten Island, NY 10301
USA

If you want to transfer funds directly to the DWF account please contact me
off list at <dwf123@earthlink.net>.

If you are an ibogaine proponent and want ibogaine information to be provided
to a targeted methadone audience, then support this Dora Weiner Foundation
project. This presentation is concurrently supported by the National
Alliance of Methadone Advocates.

Thanks

Howard

Howard S. Lotsof
President
Dora Weiner Foundation
45 Oxford Place
Staten Island, NY 10301
tel, 718 442-2754
fax, 718 442-1957
email dwf123@earthlink.com
http://www.doraweiner.org

From: jfreed1 <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 5:22:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

===== Original Message From crownofthorns@hushmail.com =====
Bro, saying this is terrible doesnt begin to do it justice. its awful. it may
be the worst thing anyone has ever recorded and this is coming from me who
used to listen to the dead kennedys. I never knew the sex pistols totally
ruined a frank sinatra song. he’s tone deaf, he cant sing they cant play the
instruments. it sucks so hard…………………………..

for the record, i think that was a sid vicious solo attempt, not the actual
sex pistols. sid never really played in the sex pistols; the bass on
“nevermind the bollocks” was glen matlock. arguably, sid played bass during
the shows. whether or not it can actually be considered “playing” is a matter
up for debate. some of the time, they just had a tape back up for him.

in a nutshell, sid was mostly there for his image.

now the dead kennedys were actually talented musicians, at least in my
opinion. there’s not a whole lot of other punk out there that’s as intricately
orchaestrated, and east bay ray had some really great guitar riffs.

—
League of Surrealistic Discord Records — www.lsdrecords.com

From: jfreed1 <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] Citizen Patrick Goes to Washington
Date: January 24, 2003 at 5:05:15 PM EST
To: ibogaine <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

===== Original Message From “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> =====
On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:29:24PM -0800], [MARC] wrote:

| You’ll get more attention AND votes if you run as a Marijuana Party
| candidate, and more media. Libertarians make excellent Marijuana Party
| candidates. Every subject/issue can be effectively associated with the war
| on marijuana & drugs. As a Libertarian, you need to find voters who agree
| with all aspects of a platform, with a Marijuana Party candidate, its
| basically you agree or don’t agree (and if they agree, what are they gonna
| do about it!). Twelve states have a Marijuana Party and it will be 50
states
| by mid year.
|
| Marc Emery

Ya know… I can’t find any fault with what you just said (or wrote
yesterday)… Really, why not. If not me, then who? There doesn’t seem
to be an LSD party (other than the one Saint Hofmann is having, YOU GO
DUDE!)

fuckin a! patrick, if you do ever decide to run for anything, can i be on
your staff? =)

—
League of Surrealistic Discord Records — www.lsdrecords.com

From: jfreed1 <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 5:03:45 PM EST
To: ibogaine <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sisters%20Of%20Mercy%20-%20Comfortably
| %20Numb%20(Live%20’00%20Extended%20Cover).mp3
|
|
| <shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the word? good?
=)

Well fine, be like that, HERE is good:

http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sex%20Pistols%20-%20My%20Way%20(Cover)
.mp3

ehehe….that’s one of my favourite’s =)

i also liked gary oldman’s rendition of it in sid and nancy…they had some
excellent casting for that movie. somewhere i read that john lydon said he
wished he played the part of johnny rotten as well as the guy in the film did

—
League of Surrealistic Discord Records — www.lsdrecords.com

From: jfreed1 <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 24, 2003 at 3:50:16 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

===== Original Message From A J Dietterle <ajdietterle@dccnet.com> =====
on 1/23/03 3:09 PM, preston peet at ptpeet@nyc.rr.com wrote:

Hi all,
Someone asked me today if methadone goes bad, or if it expires, and I
honestly don’t know the answer, nor could I find it online.
Anyone know what the shelf life of methadone is?

according to http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/methadone/section3.htm ,
methadone oral suspension has a shelf life of 36 months…

—
League of Surrealistic Discord Records — www.lsdrecords.com

From: crownofthorns@hushmail.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 2:29:13 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bro, saying this is terrible doesnt begin to do it justice. its awful. it may be the worst thing anyone has ever recorded and this is coming from me who used to listen to the dead kennedys. I never knew the sex pistols totally ruined a frank sinatra song. he’s tone deaf, he cant sing they cant play the instruments. it sucks so hard…………………………..

Thats pretty good.

I’m listening to it for the 2nd time now. thanks!

Peace out,
Curtis

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:25:58 -0800 “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
On [Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 01:31:22PM -0500], [jfreed1] wrote:
| >===== Original Message From “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
=====
| >On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >
| >| — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
| >| > On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:55:50AM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >| >
| >| > | is there anybody out there?
| >| >
| >| > Is there anybody in there…? Just nod if you can hear me.
| >|
| >| Justa little PinPricK…
| >
| >http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sisters%20Of%20Mercy%20-
%20Comfortably
| %20Numb%20(Live%20’00%20Extended%20Cover).mp3
|
|
| <shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the
word? good? =)

Well fine, be like that, HERE is good:

patricK

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Citizen Patrick Goes to Washington
Date: January 24, 2003 at 1:32:31 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 08:29:24PM -0800], [MARC] wrote:

Patrick

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 1:40:20 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

never mind, it works just fine. sorry
—– Original Message —–
From: jfreed1
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon

>===== Original Message From “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> =====
>On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
>
>| — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
>| > On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:55:50AM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
>| >
>| > | is there anybody out there?
>| >
>| > Is there anybody in there…? Just nod if you can hear me.
>|
>| Justa little PinPricK…
>
>http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sisters%20Of%20Mercy%20-%20Comfortably
%20Numb%20(Live%20’00%20Extended%20Cover).mp3

<shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the word? good? =)

they do a pretty kick ass version of the stones’ “gimme shelter” though…

—
League of Surrealistic Discord Records — www.lsdrecords.com

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 1:25:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 01:31:22PM -0500], [jfreed1] wrote:
| >===== Original Message From “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> =====
| >On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >
| >| — “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
| >| > On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:55:50AM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:
| >| >
| >| > | is there anybody out there?
| >| >
| >| > Is there anybody in there…? Just nod if you can hear me.
| >|
| >| Justa little PinPricK…
| >
| >http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sisters%20Of%20Mercy%20-%20Comfortably
| %20Numb%20(Live%20’00%20Extended%20Cover).mp3
|
|
| <shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the word? good? =)

Well fine, be like that, HERE is good:

patricK

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 1:38:41 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

resend this link please, to the Comfortably Numb tune. The one below doesn’t seem to work.
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: jfreed1
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon

<shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the word? good? =)

they do a pretty kick ass version of the stones’ “gimme shelter” though…

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From: jfreed1 <jfreed1@umbc.edu>
Subject: RE: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 24, 2003 at 1:31:22 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

===== Original Message From “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> =====
On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:

http://www.phantom.com/templates/tunez/Sisters%20Of%20Mercy%20-%20Comfortably
%20Numb%20(Live%20’00%20Extended%20Cover).mp3

<shudder> pretty amusing, but not exactly…ummm….whats the word? good? =)

they do a pretty kick ass version of the stones’ “gimme shelter” though…

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From: Run Drugs Out of Town Run <rundrugsoutoftownrun@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Another Super Bowl AD
Date: January 24, 2003 at 7:34:47 AM EST
To: drugwar@mindvox.com
Cc: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I have received numerous emails about the upcoming Super Bowl ads from both sides and then I found this one worth sharing with everyone. https://www.moveon.org/superbowl/
MoveOn has a list of signatures protesting George “Wag the dog” Bush’s push to war that has grown to over 300,000 in less than a month (8,000 pages of signatures in California alone). I would encourage anyone to add their name to that list despite the fact that it is exactly where our government wants you to be focused. I would also encourage you to write and call your representatives to find out what happened to the sixty day report the president was supposed to file with congress in order to get their support for a war. While you are at it ask what happened to Dick Cheney’s court problems related to his invovlement with energy corporations and what happened to the fraud at Enron and WorldCom.

Dr. Bill Gallagher, DC
Executive Director
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PO Box 25152
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480-513-3909
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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 24, 2003 at 10:07:36 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks to everyone who answered.
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: Rick Venglarcik
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….

I am not sure of the length of time for Oral Concentrate due to a lack
of manufacture date on the bottle. Ours were received 12/13/02 and list
the expiration date as 10/2004…so I’d surmise two years for
Mallinckrodt Methadose Oral Concentrate (1 liter).

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Hampton, VA 23666

Office: (757) 827-8430 x144
Fax: (757) 826-2772
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>>> HSLotsof@aol.com 01/23/03 10:43PM >>>

In a message dated 1/23/03 6:13:14 PM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

> Someone asked me today if methadone goes bad, or if it expires,
and
>I honestly don’t know the answer, nor could I find it online.
>
> Anyone know what the shelf life of methadone is?

The shelf life of methadone tablets is three years. I have no
information on
the manufactured liquid. Tablets dissolved in orange juice or beverage
face
the normal spoilage of such drinks unless frozen I would think.

Howard
www.ibogaine.org
www.methadone.org

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] Brought to you from the Inventors of Methadone
Date: January 24, 2003 at 10:08:45 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

unquestionably Methadone saved my life in the mid-90’s. But this is interesting
history…

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/farben.html

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From: “Rick Venglarcik” <RickV@hnncsb.org>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 24, 2003 at 8:59:34 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

_____________________________________
Rick Venglarcik, MA, CSAC
Hampton Roads Clinic
2236 W. Queen St., Suite C
Hampton, VA 23666

Office: (757) 827-8430 x144
Fax: (757) 826-2772
Cell: (757) 270-9839
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HSLotsof@aol.com 01/23/03 10:43PM >>>

In a message dated 1/23/03 6:13:14 PM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

Someone asked me today if methadone goes bad, or if it expires,
and
I honestly don’t know the answer, nor could I find it online.

Anyone know what the shelf life of methadone is?

Howard
www.ibogaine.org
www.methadone.org

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Turning Curious Teens Into Crackheads
Date: January 23, 2003 at 11:23:02 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Randy Hencken <randyhencken@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gamma,

Where do you surf?

Randy

Hawaii

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 23, 2003 at 10:43:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

In a message dated 1/23/03 6:13:14 PM, ptpeet@nyc.rr.com writes:

Someone asked me today if methadone goes bad, or if it expires, and
I honestly don’t know the answer, nor could I find it online.

Anyone know what the shelf life of methadone is?

The shelf life of methadone tablets is three years. I have no information on
the manufactured liquid. Tablets dissolved in orange juice or beverage face
the normal spoilage of such drinks unless frozen I would think.

Howard
www.ibogaine.org
www.methadone.org

From: “Randy Hencken” <randyhencken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Turning Curious Teens Into Crackheads
Date: January 23, 2003 at 10:00:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Gamma,

Where do you surf?

Randy

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Turning Curious Teens Into Crackheads
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:49:01 -0800 (PST)

— Bernard C Phifer <chimp@zwallet.com> wrote:
> I know exactly what you mean. I go to meetings sometimes and i fucked up and
> told them i was on methadone. I was shunned,looked down upon and told i was
> still using. NA here in North Carolina was started by a bunch of people who
> were on methadone. Now it seems like most of the people there never even used
> dope (heroin). It mostly consists of crack heads and pot smoking teenagers.
> It is very clicky and there is a big conform vibe. If you don’t dress like us
> listen to our music and get your tounge pierced we wont accept you into the
> circle. I just don’t get anything out of it

Thus is the reality of cults. I recently was rudely awoken to this very fact
after leaning heavily on meetings for a few years.

I prefer Surfing.

-Gamma

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] Turning Curious Teens Into Crackheads
Date: January 23, 2003 at 9:49:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— Bernard C Phifer <chimp@zwallet.com> wrote:
I know exactly what you mean. I go to meetings sometimes and i fucked up and
told them i was on methadone. I was shunned,looked down upon and told i was
still using. NA here in North Carolina was started by a bunch of people who
were on methadone. Now it seems like most of the people there never even used
dope (heroin). It mostly consists of crack heads and pot smoking teenagers.
It is very clicky and there is a big conform vibe. If you don’t dress like us
listen to our music and get your tounge pierced we wont accept you into the
circle. I just don’t get anything out of it

Thus is the reality of cults. I recently was rudely awoken to this very fact
after leaning heavily on meetings for a few years.

I prefer Surfing.

-Gamma

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From: Eaquinet@aol.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 23, 2003 at 9:08:19 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi, regarding shelf life of methadone. I’d say that it, like all manufactured drugs, will have an expiration date attached to every batch. However, without having the original manufacturer’s bottle/container one wouldn’t know what that date was. Of course most drugs do “last” longer than the official expiration date would imply, but if so and how much longer would vary from drug to drug. eliana

From: A J Dietterle <ajdietterle@dccnet.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 23, 2003 at 6:49:25 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

on 1/23/03 3:09 PM, preston peet at ptpeet@nyc.rr.com wrote:

Hi all,
Someone asked me today if methadone goes bad, or if it expires, and I honestly don’t know the answer, nor could I find it online.
Anyone know what the shelf life of methadone is?

Well hello there. Thanks for your email. We are not sure of the shelflife of Methadone.

From: A J Dietterle <ajdietterle@dccnet.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 23, 2003 at 6:44:58 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

on 1/23/03 3:09 PM, preston peet at ptpeet@nyc.rr.com wrote:

Hi all,
Someone asked me today if methadone goes bad, or if it expires, and I honestly don’t know the answer, nor could I find it online.
Anyone know what the shelf life of methadone is?

Thanks for your email but alas we do not know the answer. Talk to you soon!

Terry D

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 23, 2003 at 6:41:54 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

no, but all the methadonians I have known [including myself] always kept theirs
in the fridge for longer life-span

-gamma

— preston peet <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Someone asked me today if methadone goes bad, or if it expires, and I
honestly don’t know the answer, nor could I find it online.
Anyone know what the shelf life of methadone is?

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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] question for anyone who can answer….
Date: January 23, 2003 at 6:09:28 PM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Cc: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Someone asked me today if methadone goes bad, or if it expires, and I honestly don’t know the answer, nor could I find it online.
Anyone know what the shelf life of methadone is?

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] a field report
Date: January 23, 2003 at 2:14:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From a friend of a friend.

Took 400mgs Ibogaine hcl at 9:45am and laid down

After 40 minutes or so I started having slight visuals and mild physical
trembling.

Somewhere around the 1 hour mark I felt the ibo surge through my body like an
expanding energetic doughnut, racing through every cell in my body. Then the
rocking and spinning began. Trying to control that was useless so I gave in to
it, reluctantly. I was surprised at the strength of the onset.

I started traveling through space, with stars blurring past me at tremendous
speed. I realized I was in a spiraling cosmic tube, traveling galactic
distances, deep into the purple. It occurred to me I was traveling through the
tube that connects me to the god source, and I could see through the tube’s
transparent walls that there were other tubes, and there were other beings
making the same journey. On and on I sped while my physical body back on earth
was pinned to the bed with incredible gravity.

And then I saw it.

The god head.

The most brilliant sphere of pure energy and light, and emanating from it were
the spiral tubes that connect to all living beings. The tube I was in. The
piece of God that I represent as a child of the light.

That vision faded but I could still sense my rapid pace, and the horrific
visions started. Great rings of fire and battlefields and nuclear war raged on
and on. I was experiencing the collective conscience of humanities struggle
with money, greed and war. Planets ravaged by smoke and flame and strange
winged beasts that breath sulfurous fumes and the fear, the deepest darkest
fear pierced me to my core. Not a Good Sign.

I watched as the same story repeated itself over and over, with the people in
power spreading fear and chaos to keep us in control, cowering in the corner
feeding on drugs and materialism. I knew from the deepest seat of my soul that
I was not of that cast, the reptilian war mongers. Ive played the victim role,
feeding on the hype and sensationalism that pollutes the airwaves of the great
media mogul.

Exhaustingly I watched as battles waged and the earth glowed with radioactivity
and toxic waste. The great Dark Religion of wealth and greed consumed every
green inch of the earth and I cowered in its darkness.

My deepest feelings from child hood came forward; the feeling of never being
safe from my fathers rage and my mothers complacency and the constant threat
through the 70s and 80s of eminent nuclear war all came bubbling to the
surface.

I began to retch somewhere around the 3 hour mark, it was very painful and I
had the dry heaves. I decided I dont like Ibogaine very much, I felt horrible.
My first two experiences were so different, I felt as though the ibo spirit
really wanted to rub my face in the shit this time, to see clearly what is
happening with humanity, how it all is coming to a head, how the petro-chemical
companies run the government and the economy, and how the U.S.’s have turned
into the worst of the worlds greed and war mongers.

This waged on for many hours, finally after 11-12 hours it began to pass, but
came back in small pulses, more war and destruction. I managed to eat about 3
grapes. Any task I attempted took long minutes of pondering, to lift a finger
summoned all the will power I could manage. After showering and changing
clothes I felt slightly refreshed, but completely weak from the experience. I
knew it was over, thank god it was short lived but man was it intense for such
a small dose. A friend pointed out the cleansing I had done earlier in the week
probably made me extra sensitive to the medicine. Later somewhere around 11pm I
took a sleeping aid and dosed off for a few hours. All in all I managed to get
about 6 hours sleep.

This morning I feel pretty vulnerable and emotional, but good. I discussed my
experience with someone who has been there and back and we talked about the
balance between the dark side and the light side, and how important it is to
stay in the light and to have humor and above all to love and be loved.

Im not feeling any real withdrawal from the pills, I was taking anywhere
between 20-40mgs of oxycodone and 1,000mgs of Soma for the past month or so. I
dont have a desire to take the pills other than for the continuing pain in my
neck and head that prompted me to get a prescription in the first place. I am
going to try something called wobenzyme for the pain.

Ibogaine is an excellent laxative.

I would be happy not to take Ibogaine for another five years. (I last took it
in Feb 1998 for opiod addiction)

Its strange being in a foriegn country, so far from home, but I travel home
soon.

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From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] bad science, and other stories
Date: January 23, 2003 at 12:11:24 PM EST
To: <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Cc: “efficacy” <efficacy@email.msn.com>, <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, “CRRH” <restore@crrh.org>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
Thought I’d drop everyone a line, alerting you all to the report from
Doug McVay on the recent report asserting proof of the “marijuana is a
gateway to hard drug use” myth, as well as to 2 stories about freedom of
speech issues on both East and West coasts. There’s also a new campaign
on-going in California urging compassion (and simple common sense) instead
of imprisonment, and an article about NY’s hearings yesterday on the topic
of medical marijuana.
Peace,
Preston Peet
ptpeet@nyc.rr.com
Editor http://www.drugwar.com
Editor at Large High Times mag/.com
“Prohibition creates an irresistibly lucrative
opportunity for entrepreneurs willing to operate
in illicit business. It is the policy
of idealists who cannot appreciate that the use
of drugs often reflects other sets of human
ideals: human perfectibility, the yearning
for a perfect moment, the peace that comes
from oblivion.” Richard Davenport-Hines

Trust But Verify (report on recent report that pot leads to hard drug abuse)
http://www.drugwar.com/mcvayverify.shtm

An American Tragedy (Forchion update- poor guy)
http://www.drugwar.com/forchionshanley1.shtm

Gag Order Fight Draws First-Amendment Expert to Rosenthal Defense (The
prosecutor is going after Ed, trying to make sure he, his family and his
attorneys are not to be allowed to talk to the press until after the trial
is over- what bullshit, as my editor’s note at the top of this points out.)
http://www.drugwar.com/rosenthalgag.shtm

Medical marijuana groups posting roadside billboards
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/01/22/stat
e1816EST0139.DTL

Advocates for the ill ask lawmakers to legalize medical marijuana (NY
hearings yesterday)
http://boston.com/dailynews/022/region/Advocates_for_the_ill_ask_lawm:.shtml

From: “preston peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] sick treatment
Date: January 23, 2003 at 5:01:00 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

>I really thought people had moved on in civilisation and
humane care and resources
without resorting to that sort of thing. In fact I’m so gob-smacked its
hard to put into words. What do you do about that sort of treatment cos
surely it should be banned ??? Allison<

Uh, Allison, besides the fact that this sort of “treatment” is still accepted and even court ordered in many cases here in the land of the free, the Entire War On Some Drugs and Users should be banned.
I’m often so utterly gob-smacked, (Love that phrase) by the whole thing that I have trouble with the words.;-((
Peace,
Preston
—– Original Message —–
From: Alison Senepart
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] sick treatment

Reading your news was like reading something from way back in the dark ages.
Almost sounded like the days of burning witches at the stake etc. That is
the most disgusting treatment for any illness, disease or addiction that I
have heard of.   And if I understood correctly this was a state authorised
programe??
Is that correct??   I really thought people had moved on in civilisation and
humane care and resources
without resorting to that sort of thing. In fact I’m so gob-smacked its
hard to put into words. What do you do about that sort of treatment cos
surely it should be banned ???   Allison
—–Original Message—–
From: bernard phifer <slack@hipplanet.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Date: Thursday, 23 January 2003 06:39
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] sick treatment

>man i can totally relate to this i was in delancey street for two years 12
hr 72 hr encounter sessions there was food to eat but you couldn’t go to
sleep they had these ice water squirt bottles and after about 50 hours you
start to hallucinate thats when they start turning out the lights bringing
coffins in the room with candles on them talking about the people that have
died in your life they yell and scream at you call you names all in the name
of breaking down your barriers and getting to the reason you were using
drugs i guess it is the shock treatment or shock value of trying to bring
someone who othgerwise hasn’t been in touch with their feeling into contact
with them when i was there i was busted for selling lsd on dead tour i was
court ordered to go there it was a very strange experience for me
>
>                                  thanx B
>
>— Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org> wrote:
>>Author: Maia Szalavitz
>>         Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/rehab.htm (Treatment)
>>
>>         THE BIG IDEA: SICK TREATMENT
>>
>>         When Drug Counselors Attack.
>>
>>         Gloria Holmes didn’t need any more hassles. A working,
>>36-year-old mother of three, she had been in and out of drug
>>treatment for
>>         years. Following a 2001 suicide attempt serious enough to
>>land her in Columbia-Presbyterian Hospital for a week, doctors had
>>         given her a prescription for the antidepressant Paxil.
>>Arrested for drug possession not long after that, she was facing
>>prison time.
>>
>>         Holmes asked to be sent to a women-only treatment program.
>>Instead, in the fall of 2001, the city Office of Special Narcotics’
>>Drug
>>         Treatment Alternatives to Prison Program sent her to a co-ed
>>rehab residence run by the Veritas Therapeutic Community in
>>         Barryville, New York. There, according to Holmes, she was
>>forced to stop taking Paxil. ( Veritas says its general policy is to
>>permit
>>         antidepressants. )
>>
>>         Adding to her misery, her treatment often consisted of being
>>bullied and humiliated by her counselors. “They insult you all the
>>         time,” says Holmes. Once, she says, a staff member told her,
>>”If I was your husband, I would put you in chains and tie you up and
>>         throw you out the window.”
>>
>>         The final straw came as she was sitting outside at a picnic
>>table, enjoying the countryside. A counselor snuck up behind her and
>>         dumped a five-gallon bucket–which had been used as an
>>ashtray and was full of cigarette butts–over her head, and banged it
>>three
>>         or four times. “He said he did it as a joke,” she says. “He
>>was laughing. But I was crying.”
>>
>>         Jurrant Middleton, the program director at Veritas in
>>Barryville, says what happened to Holmes was no big deal. “I am
>>familiar with
>>         this incident, and think that it was blown out of
>>proportion,” he told City Limits. “It was inappropriate, it was
>>dealt with and the
>>         counselor was disciplined.”
>>
>>         But Holmes says the incident made her feel worthless. “She
>>felt that she was physically abused, violated tremendously and made a
>>         mockery of,” says her husband, John Holmes, a former cocaine
>>and heroin addict now training to be an addictions counselor. “It
>>         certainly didn’t do anything for her self-esteem. She felt
>>she could no longer take it, and she left.” Holmes dropped out of the
>>         program, violating the conditions of her sentence, and
>>started smoking crack again. Now she is upstate, serving three to
>>six, as a
>>         result of her failure in rehab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         Imagine if physicians could justify being abusive, arrogant
>>and condescending by arguing that it improves patient health. Imagine
>>         that these professionals could decide not to use chemotherapy
>>for cancer, for example, because they “don’t believe in it,” despite
>>         overwhelming research data. That’s what addiction care has
>>been like for the last half-century. To this day, there’s a huge gap
>>         between clinical psychiatric knowledge and the way drug
>>treatment actually goes down.
>>
>>         Clinical research shows that, like anyone else,
>>addicts–particularly women and the mentally ill–respond better to
>>empathetic
>>         treatment than to attacks or humiliation. The University of
>>New Mexico’s William Miller, for example, has demonstrated that
>>         patients are less likely to drop out and relapse if they have
>>counselors who are compassionate, and not confrontational.
>>
>>         Yet for years, the sort of “care” Gloria Holmes received has
>>been par for the course in addiction treatment. Many providers
>>believe
>>         that addicts needed to be “broken down” and then
>>re-socialized, and that insults, humiliation and degrading treatment
>>aid this
>>         process. And while the National Institute on Drug Abuse has
>>shown that medications like antidepressants aid recovery, a large
>>         proportion of rehab programs still routinely deny addicts
>>standard psychiatric medications on the premise that they could lead
>>back
>>         to addiction.
>>
>>         Recently, a number of federal, state and local government
>>initiatives have begun trying to reform drug treatment, through both
>>         regulations and research. But they’ll have to overcome a
>>deeply entrenched legacy of anti-science and even anti-addict
>>ideology.
>>
>>         Until very recently, abusive treatment was almost universally
>>praised. A 1993 book by the founder of the Daytop treatment
>>         network, Monsignor William O’Brien, calls addicts “babies”
>>and “stupid,” and says that addiction treatment “has to be harsh,” and
>>         that “being too gentle…doesn’t do anybody any good.”
>>
>>         John Holmes, who works at an agency that provides housing for
>>former addicts, doesn’t think his wife’s experience was unique.
>>         “I’ve heard about people who were made to wear dunce hats or
>>sit in a corner for hours, about men dressed as women, or made to
>>         wear diapers,” says Holmes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         These ideas about how addicts should be treated pervade
>>almost every type of addiction care. But they have their roots in one
>>         specific type of treatment: therapeutic communities, often
>>called “TCs,” like the one that Gloria Holmes attended.
>>
>>         Therapeutic communities began in the late 1950s, after
>>physicians and psychiatrists essentially decided that addiction was
>>         untreatable. While some doctors continued to try, the
>>treatment of addicts and alcoholics became a backwater of the medical
>>         profession, populated largely by profiteers and quacks with
>>little concern about and no financial interest in determining whether
>>         their treatment actually worked.
>>
>>         Alcoholics Anonymous, developed by two alcoholics in the
>>1930’s, offered some hope to excessive drinkers. Based on the idea
>>         that one alcoholic could help another, it showed the public
>>that alcoholism–and later other addictions via copycat 12-step
>>programs
>>         like Narcotics Anonymous–weren’t always hopeless conditions.
>>
>>         As “the program” grew, doctors and psychologists began to
>>offer residential treatment to help initiate people into self-help.
>>The first
>>         of these, Pioneer House, opened in Minnesota in 1958 and
>>became the model for modern programs like Hazelden and Betty Ford.
>>
>>         That same year, AA member Chuck Dederich opened a small
>>storefront in Santa Monica and began treating heroin addicts. He
>>         found that living in a dedicated community, where addicts
>>forced each other to look at their problems, could help some stay away
>>         from drugs. Synanon–named after the way one resident
>>mispronounced “seminar”–became the first American therapeutic
>>         community, spawning countless imitators.
>>
>>         Two of them, Phoenix House and Daytop ( both based in New
>>York ), are now the country’s largest providers of addiction
>>         treatment.
>>
>>         Unfortunately, Synanon’s program became increasingly bizarre
>>over time, eventually devolving into a violent cult. After putting a
>>         rattlesnake in the mailbox of an attorney who was suing
>>Synanon, Dederich and several other members were ultimately convicted
>>of
>>         conspiracy to commit murder.
>>
>>         Synanon is gone now, but its methods live on. Before Synanon
>>imploded, mainstream programs picked up many of its methods,
>>         including “marathon” therapy sessions lasting days without
>>breaks for sleep or food, brutal emotional confrontation, humiliating
>>         punishments–such as being dressed as a bum and wearing a
>>sign saying “I am an asshole”–and other techniques aimed at
>>         dehumanizing and degrading participants.
>>
>>         Like fraternity initiations, this “tough love” tradition is
>>highly resistant to change, often because many TC staffers are
>>graduates
>>         themselves. A large proportion of graduates believe that
>>what was done to them was necessary to their recovery. They come into
>>         the field with an evangelical urge to spread the word–and
>>some, unfortunately, relish the chance to do unto others as others had
>>         done unto them.
>>
>>         As a result, they often not only disregard science as being
>>irrelevant to what they do, but also tend to view medications and more
>>         humane treatments as inimical to recovery.
>>
>>         “Remember that Synanon and TCs started as an anti-psychiatry,
>>anti-medication movement, because those things weren’t doing
>>         anybody any good,” says Jim Dahl, director of program
>>planning for Phoenix House. “To have the same people embrace
>>research,
>>         it’s a total culture clash.”
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         In the last few years, state and federal governments have
>>tried to bring research into practice. The National Institute on Drug
>>         Abuse’s Clinical Trials Network, which has outposts at NYU
>>and Columbia, runs trials of research-based treatments in community
>>         programs, in the hope that such collaboration will encourage
>>providers to adopt effective new methods.
>>
>>         Similar work is also being done by the federal Center for
>>Substance Abuse Treatment. New York State’s Office of Alcohol and
>>         Substance Abuse Services uses a federally funded network to
>>bring together local providers and researchers for meetings and
>>         networking.
>>
>>         Kevin Wadalavage, vice president of the Outreach Project,
>>which runs a variety of treatment programs as well as New York State’s
>>         largest training program for addiction counselors, thinks
>>that ideological barriers are starting to fall. “The new generation
>>is more
>>         open,” he says. “I think as we start to understand the
>>disease of addiction as a brain-based phenomenon, we are getting
>>there.
>>
>>         Sometimes people will have a ‘drug-free’ philosophy, but I
>>don’t think it’s as pervasive as people think.”
>>
>>         Nonetheless, even Wadalavage recognizes numerous obstacles to
>>change. The research projects and collaborations can only exhort
>>         providers to improve care, not force change. As courts
>>sentence more and more people to rehab as an alternative to prison,
>>patients
>>         have little choice about which program they enter–but they
>>are blamed for it and incarcerated if they “fail” treatment.
>>
>>         And since drug courts provide a steady stream of patients–at
>>least 50 percent of clients, in some residential drug
>>         programs–providers have few incentives to improve their
practices.
>>
>>         There are also practical problems. Addiction counseling pays
>>little and has high turnover, and many programs don’t require much
>>         training beyond having graduated from a therapeutic community
>>or being a member of a 12-step program.
>>
>>         “The problem is that therapeutic communities are the only
>>modality which really grooms its recovering people to work in the
>>field,”
>>         says Ira Marion, executive director of the Division of
>>Substance Abuse at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, which runs a
>>         methadone program for 4,400 patients. “TCs now integrate
>>Narcotics Anonymous, which is totally against medication. Even if you
>>         train such people up the wazoo–and one big issue in the
>>field still is training–they still have their experience and the NA
>>credo in
>>         their gut and in their soul.”
>>
>>         Despite the obstacles, there is definitely a shift underway.
>>”We try to create an environment where if someone says, ‘AA was the
>>         only way for me,’ someone else can say, ‘Well, that didn’t
>>work for me,'” explains Wadalavage. “Or if someone says, ‘I’m opposed
>>         to methadone’ [someone else can reply], ‘Well, methadone
>>saved my life.'”
>>
>>         Dahl, too, is adamant about abandoning infantilizing
>>techniques. “That reduces self-esteem, and the self-esteem of most
>>of our
>>         clients is already quite low,” he says. “We have a manual
>>for operating a TC, and we try to hold [staff] accountable if they do
>>things
>>         like making someone wear bum clothes, put on a dunce hat, etc.”
>>
>>         He acknowledges that the change is not yet complete, however.
>>”Here and there you still do find that old tradition rearing its ugly
>>         head,” Dahl admits. “A lot of people still carry those toxic
>>methods with them. It’s very hard to change. But we’re trying
>>         desperately.”
>>
>>         Note: Maia Szalavitz is a co-author of Recovery Options: The
>>Complete Guide: How You and Your Loved Ones Can Understand
>>         and Treat Alcohol and Other Drug Problems ( Wiley 2000 ).
>
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From: “Alison Senepart” <aa.senepart@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] sick treatment
Date: January 23, 2003 at 4:10:01 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

man i can totally relate to this i was in delancey street for two years 12
hr 72 hr encounter sessions there was food to eat but you couldn’t go to
sleep they had these ice water squirt bottles and after about 50 hours you
start to hallucinate thats when they start turning out the lights bringing
coffins in the room with candles on them talking about the people that have
died in your life they yell and scream at you call you names all in the name
of breaking down your barriers and getting to the reason you were using
drugs i guess it is the shock treatment or shock value of trying to bring
someone who othgerwise hasn’t been in touch with their feeling into contact
with them when i was there i was busted for selling lsd on dead tour i was
court ordered to go there it was a very strange experience for me

thanx B

— Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org> wrote:
Author: Maia Szalavitz
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/rehab.htm (Treatment)

THE BIG IDEA: SICK TREATMENT

When Drug Counselors Attack.

Gloria Holmes didn’t need any more hassles. A working,
36-year-old mother of three, she had been in and out of drug
treatment for
years. Following a 2001 suicide attempt serious enough to
land her in Columbia-Presbyterian Hospital for a week, doctors had
given her a prescription for the antidepressant Paxil.
Arrested for drug possession not long after that, she was facing
prison time.

Holmes asked to be sent to a women-only treatment program.
Instead, in the fall of 2001, the city Office of Special Narcotics’
Drug
Treatment Alternatives to Prison Program sent her to a co-ed
rehab residence run by the Veritas Therapeutic Community in
Barryville, New York. There, according to Holmes, she was
forced to stop taking Paxil. ( Veritas says its general policy is to
permit
antidepressants. )

Adding to her misery, her treatment often consisted of being
bullied and humiliated by her counselors. “They insult you all the
time,” says Holmes. Once, she says, a staff member told her,
“If I was your husband, I would put you in chains and tie you up and
throw you out the window.”

The final straw came as she was sitting outside at a picnic
table, enjoying the countryside. A counselor snuck up behind her and
dumped a five-gallon bucket–which had been used as an
ashtray and was full of cigarette butts–over her head, and banged it
three
or four times. “He said he did it as a joke,” she says. “He
was laughing. But I was crying.”

Jurrant Middleton, the program director at Veritas in
Barryville, says what happened to Holmes was no big deal. “I am
familiar with
this incident, and think that it was blown out of
proportion,” he told City Limits. “It was inappropriate, it was
dealt with and the
counselor was disciplined.”

But Holmes says the incident made her feel worthless. “She
felt that she was physically abused, violated tremendously and made a
mockery of,” says her husband, John Holmes, a former cocaine
and heroin addict now training to be an addictions counselor. “It
certainly didn’t do anything for her self-esteem. She felt
she could no longer take it, and she left.” Holmes dropped out of the
program, violating the conditions of her sentence, and
started smoking crack again. Now she is upstate, serving three to
six, as a
result of her failure in rehab.

Imagine if physicians could justify being abusive, arrogant
and condescending by arguing that it improves patient health. Imagine
that these professionals could decide not to use chemotherapy
for cancer, for example, because they “don’t believe in it,” despite
overwhelming research data. That’s what addiction care has
been like for the last half-century. To this day, there’s a huge gap
between clinical psychiatric knowledge and the way drug
treatment actually goes down.

Clinical research shows that, like anyone else,
addicts–particularly women and the mentally ill–respond better to
empathetic
treatment than to attacks or humiliation. The University of
New Mexico’s William Miller, for example, has demonstrated that
patients are less likely to drop out and relapse if they have
counselors who are compassionate, and not confrontational.

Yet for years, the sort of “care” Gloria Holmes received has
been par for the course in addiction treatment. Many providers
believe
that addicts needed to be “broken down” and then
re-socialized, and that insults, humiliation and degrading treatment
aid this
process. And while the National Institute on Drug Abuse has
shown that medications like antidepressants aid recovery, a large
proportion of rehab programs still routinely deny addicts
standard psychiatric medications on the premise that they could lead
back
to addiction.

Recently, a number of federal, state and local government
initiatives have begun trying to reform drug treatment, through both
regulations and research. But they’ll have to overcome a
deeply entrenched legacy of anti-science and even anti-addict
ideology.

Until very recently, abusive treatment was almost universally
praised. A 1993 book by the founder of the Daytop treatment
network, Monsignor William O’Brien, calls addicts “babies”
and “stupid,” and says that addiction treatment “has to be harsh,” and
that “being too gentle…doesn’t do anybody any good.”

John Holmes, who works at an agency that provides housing for
former addicts, doesn’t think his wife’s experience was unique.
“I’ve heard about people who were made to wear dunce hats or
sit in a corner for hours, about men dressed as women, or made to
wear diapers,” says Holmes.

These ideas about how addicts should be treated pervade
almost every type of addiction care. But they have their roots in one
specific type of treatment: therapeutic communities, often
called “TCs,” like the one that Gloria Holmes attended.

Therapeutic communities began in the late 1950s, after
physicians and psychiatrists essentially decided that addiction was
untreatable. While some doctors continued to try, the
treatment of addicts and alcoholics became a backwater of the medical
profession, populated largely by profiteers and quacks with
little concern about and no financial interest in determining whether
their treatment actually worked.

Alcoholics Anonymous, developed by two alcoholics in the
1930’s, offered some hope to excessive drinkers. Based on the idea
that one alcoholic could help another, it showed the public
that alcoholism–and later other addictions via copycat 12-step
programs
like Narcotics Anonymous–weren’t always hopeless conditions.

As “the program” grew, doctors and psychologists began to
offer residential treatment to help initiate people into self-help.
The first
of these, Pioneer House, opened in Minnesota in 1958 and
became the model for modern programs like Hazelden and Betty Ford.

That same year, AA member Chuck Dederich opened a small
storefront in Santa Monica and began treating heroin addicts. He
found that living in a dedicated community, where addicts
forced each other to look at their problems, could help some stay away
from drugs. Synanon–named after the way one resident
mispronounced “seminar”–became the first American therapeutic
community, spawning countless imitators.

Two of them, Phoenix House and Daytop ( both based in New
York ), are now the country’s largest providers of addiction
treatment.

Unfortunately, Synanon’s program became increasingly bizarre
over time, eventually devolving into a violent cult. After putting a
rattlesnake in the mailbox of an attorney who was suing
Synanon, Dederich and several other members were ultimately convicted
of
conspiracy to commit murder.

Synanon is gone now, but its methods live on. Before Synanon
imploded, mainstream programs picked up many of its methods,
including “marathon” therapy sessions lasting days without
breaks for sleep or food, brutal emotional confrontation, humiliating
punishments–such as being dressed as a bum and wearing a
sign saying “I am an asshole”–and other techniques aimed at
dehumanizing and degrading participants.

Like fraternity initiations, this “tough love” tradition is
highly resistant to change, often because many TC staffers are
graduates
themselves. A large proportion of graduates believe that
what was done to them was necessary to their recovery. They come into
the field with an evangelical urge to spread the word–and
some, unfortunately, relish the chance to do unto others as others had
done unto them.

As a result, they often not only disregard science as being
irrelevant to what they do, but also tend to view medications and more
humane treatments as inimical to recovery.

“Remember that Synanon and TCs started as an anti-psychiatry,
anti-medication movement, because those things weren’t doing
anybody any good,” says Jim Dahl, director of program
planning for Phoenix House. “To have the same people embrace
research,
it’s a total culture clash.”

In the last few years, state and federal governments have
tried to bring research into practice. The National Institute on Drug
Abuse’s Clinical Trials Network, which has outposts at NYU
and Columbia, runs trials of research-based treatments in community
programs, in the hope that such collaboration will encourage
providers to adopt effective new methods.

Similar work is also being done by the federal Center for
Substance Abuse Treatment. New York State’s Office of Alcohol and
Substance Abuse Services uses a federally funded network to
bring together local providers and researchers for meetings and
networking.

Kevin Wadalavage, vice president of the Outreach Project,
which runs a variety of treatment programs as well as New York State’s
largest training program for addiction counselors, thinks
that ideological barriers are starting to fall. “The new generation
is more
open,” he says. “I think as we start to understand the
disease of addiction as a brain-based phenomenon, we are getting
there.

Sometimes people will have a ‘drug-free’ philosophy, but I
don’t think it’s as pervasive as people think.”

Nonetheless, even Wadalavage recognizes numerous obstacles to
change. The research projects and collaborations can only exhort
providers to improve care, not force change. As courts
sentence more and more people to rehab as an alternative to prison,
patients
have little choice about which program they enter–but they
are blamed for it and incarcerated if they “fail” treatment.

And since drug courts provide a steady stream of patients–at
least 50 percent of clients, in some residential drug
programs–providers have few incentives to improve their
practices.

There are also practical problems. Addiction counseling pays
little and has high turnover, and many programs don’t require much
training beyond having graduated from a therapeutic community
or being a member of a 12-step program.

“The problem is that therapeutic communities are the only
modality which really grooms its recovering people to work in the
field,”
says Ira Marion, executive director of the Division of
Substance Abuse at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, which runs a
methadone program for 4,400 patients. “TCs now integrate
Narcotics Anonymous, which is totally against medication. Even if you
train such people up the wazoo–and one big issue in the
field still is training–they still have their experience and the NA
credo in
their gut and in their soul.”

Despite the obstacles, there is definitely a shift underway.
“We try to create an environment where if someone says, ‘AA was the
only way for me,’ someone else can say, ‘Well, that didn’t
work for me,'” explains Wadalavage. “Or if someone says, ‘I’m opposed
to methadone’ [someone else can reply], ‘Well, methadone
saved my life.'”

Dahl, too, is adamant about abandoning infantilizing
techniques. “That reduces self-esteem, and the self-esteem of most
of our
clients is already quite low,” he says. “We have a manual
for operating a TC, and we try to hold [staff] accountable if they do
things
like making someone wear bum clothes, put on a dunce hat, etc.”

He acknowledges that the change is not yet complete, however.
“Here and there you still do find that old tradition rearing its ugly
head,” Dahl admits. “A lot of people still carry those toxic
methods with them. It’s very hard to change. But we’re trying
desperately.”

Note: Maia Szalavitz is a co-author of Recovery Options: The
Complete Guide: How You and Your Loved Ones Can Understand
and Treat Alcohol and Other Drug Problems ( Wiley 2000 ).

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From: Ustanova Iboga <Iboga@guest.arnes.si>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] support granted
Date: January 22, 2003 at 7:28:25 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

At 17:45 20.1.2003, you wrote:

What Howard needs is $2500 a month to run his foundation.

Dana/cnw

Strange… I need that much to run Iboga Foundation for one year (to pay for rent, electricity, Internet access, accountmen – nothing else!!)

Seems that Slovenia is MUCH cheaper to have a foundation…

(It’s true that my office is in semi-legalised squat, I don’t use it much, I only pay 17 US$ per month for cable internet access, and my account-keeper charges me minimal fee… he sees that I have no income 😉

It certanly is much cheaper to run IBOgaine clinical trials in Slovenija, Dr. Alper already calculated this!

Anyone wants to invest in clinical trials over here ???

😉

Marko

From: bernard phifer <slack@hipplanet.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] sick treatment
Date: January 22, 2003 at 12:38:21 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

man i can totally relate to this i was in delancey street for two years 12 hr 72 hr encounter sessions there was food to eat but you couldn’t go to sleep they had these ice water squirt bottles and after about 50 hours you start to hallucinate thats when they start turning out the lights bringing coffins in the room with candles on them talking about the people that have died in your life they yell and scream at you call you names all in the name of breaking down your barriers and getting to the reason you were using drugs i guess it is the shock treatment or shock value of trying to bring someone who othgerwise hasn’t been in touch with their feeling into contact with them when i was there i was busted for selling lsd on dead tour i was court ordered to go there it was a very strange experience for me

thanx B

— Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org> wrote:
Author: Maia Szalavitz
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/rehab.htm (Treatment)

THE BIG IDEA: SICK TREATMENT

When Drug Counselors Attack.

Two of them, Phoenix House and Daytop ( both based in New
York ), are now the country’s largest providers of addiction
treatment.

As a result, they often not only disregard science as being
irrelevant to what they do, but also tend to view medications and more
humane treatments as inimical to recovery.

Sometimes people will have a ‘drug-free’ philosophy, but I
don’t think it’s as pervasive as people think.”

And since drug courts provide a steady stream of patients–at
least 50 percent of clients, in some residential drug
programs–providers have few incentives to improve their practices.

Note: Maia Szalavitz is a co-author of Recovery Options: The
Complete Guide: How You and Your Loved Ones Can Understand
and Treat Alcohol and Other Drug Problems ( Wiley 2000 ).

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From: MARC <marc420emery@shaw.ca>
Subject: [ibogaine] Citizen Patrick Goes to Washington
Date: January 21, 2003 at 11:29:24 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You’ll get more attention AND votes if you run as a Marijuana Party
candidate, and more media. Libertarians make excellent Marijuana Party
candidates. Every subject/issue can be effectively associated with the war
on marijuana & drugs. As a Libertarian, you need to find voters who agree
with all aspects of a platform, with a Marijuana Party candidate, its
basically you agree or don’t agree (and if they agree, what are they gonna
do about it!). Twelve states have a Marijuana Party and it will be 50 states
by mid year.

Marc Emery

—– Original Message —–
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] The Star Dec. 24 (one day before JAMA)

On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:56:49PM -0800], [crownofthorns@hushmail.com]
wrote:

| Bro, your writing is amazing but usually in a different way, this just
| blew me away. Talk about seeing all sides.
|
| When do you run for office? 😉

Very soon! I’ll be running on the, “I love guns, I hate taxes, please
feel free to take the ‘War on Drugs’ and stuff it up your ass,” platform.
By which I mean to say, Libertarian Party ticket.

Since there appears to be a critical shortage of rich yippies, and nobody
in the Libertarian Party ever gets elected to anything except Executive
Special Assistant to the Office of School Crossing Guards; I will never
actually win. But it’s certainly something to do.

I absolutely believe that America is the *very greatest* nation in the
United States <waving flag>. And being an American is all about complete
idiots, with no common sense whatsoever, pursuing ill-conceived and really
stupid ideas.

And I’m not just saying that, I really mean it.

God bless us all, and vote for me, because I promise to make absolutely
everything perfect forever. If not longer.

Patrick

Thas’ it, Vox is no longer on fire for the most part, and I’m outta here
for the night, buh-bye.

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] The Star Dec. 24 (one day before JAMA)
Date: January 21, 2003 at 10:48:23 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:56:49PM -0800], [crownofthorns@hushmail.com] wrote:

| Bro, your writing is amazing but usually in a different way, this just
| blew me away. Talk about seeing all sides.
|
| When do you run for office? 😉

And I’m not just saying that, I really mean it.

God bless us all, and vote for me, because I promise to make absolutely
everything perfect forever. If not longer.

Patrick

Thas’ it, Vox is no longer on fire for the most part, and I’m outta here
for the night, buh-bye.

From: crownofthorns@hushmail.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] The Star Dec. 24 (one day before JAMA)
Date: January 21, 2003 at 10:56:49 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Bro, your writing is amazing but usually in a different way, this just blew me away. Talk about seeing all sides.

When do you run for office? 😉

Peace out and let’s not have so much negative energy right Brendan? 😉
Curtis

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:12:14 -0800 “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
On [Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:54:27PM -0800], [brendan22@hushmail.com]
wrote:

| Patrick who is this moron?

Jeff is a consultant who reviews patient safety data for HV. He
has
absolutely nothing to do with setting the pricing, he is not a
shareholder, he does not make decisions regarding when and how Deborah’s
data is published or presented. In short: unloading upon him serves
no
particular purpose; he is not in a position to make changes and
cannot
disclose proprietary information.

The article in the Star had a few minor factual errors, possibly
due to
their fact checking department being on vacation until roughly the
heat
death of the universe.

Other than alla this, he’s an addictionologist. He’s a relatively
recent
addition and wuz not around when I dosed, so I dunno what his particular
theories are ’bout the meaning of life, death, and addikshun. As
far as I
know he’s a big fan of the 12-steps ‘cuz that’s what worked for
him. He
appears to honestly believe in what he does. He has never attempted
to
inflict his paradigms upon me. He tries to help his clients. Sometimes
this works out, sometimes it does not. If it doesn’t, then it’s
probably
up to the individual to find something else to do — presuming they
wanna
get clean.

To sum it up: I dunno Jeff very well, but I have seen him repeatedly
attempt to help individuals who are broken down n’ shit and have
no flow
to pay him. While people have a complex series of reasons for any
given
thing they do, many who work with addiction are primarily driven
by
emotional needs. Ascribing the motivation for any given person’s
actions
to solely altruism or greed, would tend to be wrong in either case.

Everybody is working out their own shit in different ways.

| I don’t even need to ask that question because I know what the
answer
| will be. Nothing.

Okay, here, my reply:

http://www.phantom.com/~digital

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From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 21, 2003 at 10:47:40 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This is beautiful! But what is it? It’s comfortably
numb and then what’s he singing??

Hi guys 🙂

Carla B

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma]
wrote:

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From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] T. Iboga tissue culture
Date: January 21, 2003 at 10:44:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

This may be an option (or create your own cultures)
for those interested in growing T. Iboga (where
legal).

http://www.dsmz.de/plantcll/pc0930.htm

(click on DSMZ, Price or whatever)

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From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] chicago tribune Ibo Mention
Date: January 21, 2003 at 10:24:36 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/oped/chi-0301200183jan20,1,1869367.story

A new opposition front in the drug war
Criminalizing peaceful people who use psychoactive drugs to deepen their
spiritual life is criminal itself, some groups are arguing

Salim Muwakkil. Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor at In These Times
Published January 20, 2003

A new front has opened in opposition to the war on drugs–a religious front.
Several newly formed groups are contesting our prohibitionist, anti-drug
strategies because they restrict religious freedom and “cognitive liberty.”
Drugs alter consciousness and “the right to control one’s own consciousness is
the quintessence of freedom,” reads part of a manifesto of the Journal of
Cognitive Liberties. The journal is one of many projects of the four-year-old
Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics, a California-based, non-profit group
that promotes intellectual freedom. The group defines cognitive liberty as “the
right of each individual to think independently and autonomously, to use the
full spectrum of his or her mind and to engage in multiple modes of thoughts
and alternative states of consciousness.”

The group is involved in several projects designed to raise issues of cognitive
liberty in relation to the war on drugs. In the journal’s Summer 2000 edition,
center co-director Richard Glen Boire wrote “the so-called `war on drugs’ is
not a war on pills, powder, plants and potions, it is war on mental states–a
war on consciousness itself– how much, what sort we are permitted to
experience, and who gets to control it.” Boire argued that much of the
motivation for the war on drugs is an attack on “entheogenic” drugs (roughly,
God evoking) that provoke “transcendent and beatific states of communication
with the deity.”

With this point, Boire lends his argument to a growing movement of Americans
devoted to the use of entheogens. One branch of this movement calls itself
“neo-shamanistic” and seeks out shamanic inebriants that have been used for
centuries. They cite examples like peyote cactus and psilocybin mushrooms among
Native Americans, ibogaine among indigenous Africans, soma in India and
ayahuasca in the Amazonian rain forest.

Others are just spiritual seekers who argue that criminal sanctions on the use
of these psychoactive sacraments restrict their religious freedom. Some make
the argument that the state takes its cue from organized religions, which
historically have demonized entheogens because they lessen the need for a
clergy to connect God to humanity.

Many of the substances they champion (psilocybin, peyote/mescaline, LSD,
marijuana, etc.) are the same drugs that were called psychedelic during the
1960s. These substances are now called entheogenic to distance them from the
hedonistic excesses of the ’60s drug culture.
Along with some newly discovered substances (salvia divinorium, phalaris grass,
ibogaine, ayahuasca/yage, etc), some of which are still precariously legal,
this fledgling movement is taking the spiritual high road in its opposition to
the drug war.

Another one of the groups leading the charge is the Council on Spiritual
Practices. Founded by Robert Jesse, 43, a former vice president of Oracle, the
group focuses on evoking “primary religious experiences,” which they believe
can be evoked by many practices, including fasting, meditation, prayer, yoga
and ingesting entheogenic drugs.

The group’s signature text is “Psychoactive Sacramentals: Essays on Entheogens
and Religion,” which explores many facets of entheogenic use. The book is an
account of a 1995 conference held at the Chicago Theological Seminary that was
devoted to the subject of entheogens and religion.

The council also has published Huston Smith’s book, “Cleansing the Doors of
Perception: The Religious Significance of Entheogenic Plants and Chemicals,” a
text that tackles the issue of drugs and spirituality in a series of
wide-ranging essays.

Smith, 83, is a religious scholar and author of many books, including “The
World’s Religions,” the most widely used textbook on its subject for more than
30 years. He also has produced three series for public television: “The
Religions of Man,” “The Search for America” and (with Arthur Compton) “Science
and Human Responsibility.”

In other words, Smith certainly is no fly-by-night bohemian just looking for a
high. “I was extremely fortunate in having some entheogenic experiences, while
the substances were not only legal, but respectable,” Smith said, talking about
his early experimentation with LSD, in a 2001 Salon magazine interview. “It
seemed like only fair play that since I value those experiences immensely to do
anything I could to enable a new generation to also have such experiences
without the threat of going to jail.”

Criminalizing peaceful people who use psychoactive drugs to deepen their
spiritual experience or widen their cognitive horizons is criminal itself,
these groups argue.

Their arguments are catching on.
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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 21, 2003 at 10:05:27 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 06:38:44PM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] chicago tribune article on entheogen rights… Ibogaine mention
Date: January 20, 2003 at 9:09:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/oped/chi-0301200183jan20,1,1869367.story

A new opposition front in the drug war
Criminalizing peaceful people who use psychoactive drugs to deepen their
spiritual life is criminal itself, some groups are arguing

Salim Muwakkil. Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor at In These Times
Published January 20, 2003

Criminalizing peaceful people who use psychoactive drugs to deepen their
spiritual experience or widen their cognitive horizons is criminal itself,
these groups argue.

Their arguments are catching on.
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E-mail: salim4x@aol.com

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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: [ibogaine] There may still be hope.
Date: January 21, 2003 at 10:28:24 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

The following message concerning Albert Hoffman appeared on another list and
is posted with permission of the author.

Howard
*********
<<Dear List,

Albert lives close to Basel in Switzerland. He swims everyday for half an
hour in his own swimming pool, and he also stands on his head every day for
quite some time. These two daily activities keep him fit. When he broke his
hip last year he recovered very fast, much faster than was anticipated for
somebody of his age.
The last time he gave a presentation in another country than Switzerland
was in October 1998 in Amsterdam during the first Psychoactivity
conference. He came all alone by train from Basel to Amsterdam, an 8 hour
train ride. His presentation was the highlight of the conference, an elder
talking to his tribe.

In the night we had organized a party for the conference crowd in the Milky
Way in Amsterdam. We actually didn’t know what to do with Albert, we
thought he wouldn’t enjoy himself in a big club with dance music, so we
asked a spanish profesor who didn’t want to go to the party if he would
take care of Albert.
After dinner, when we wanted to go to the Milky Way, it became clear the
spanish profesor was gone, probably lost in Amsterdam’s famous red light
district, so we took Albert to the club. We had worried for nothing: he
became the star of the night, surrounded by many people who wanted to be
close to him. Those who were young AND female were most successful. He even
danced for a while, with eight women dancing around him. He want back to
his hotel around 2.30 in the morning and he was present at the conference
some hours later, looking fresher than most other participants.

ciao Arno

Arno Adelaars

The Psychoactivity Team
www.psychoactivity.com
www.psychoactivity.org
Arno’s website: www.xs4all.nl/~nota >>

From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: [ibogaine] sick treatment
Date: January 21, 2003 at 9:40:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Author: Maia Szalavitz
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/rehab.htm (Treatment)

THE BIG IDEA: SICK TREATMENT

When Drug Counselors Attack.

Two of them, Phoenix House and Daytop ( both based in New
York ), are now the country’s largest providers of addiction
treatment.

As a result, they often not only disregard science as being
irrelevant to what they do, but also tend to view medications and more
humane treatments as inimical to recovery.

Sometimes people will have a ‘drug-free’ philosophy, but I
don’t think it’s as pervasive as people think.”

And since drug courts provide a steady stream of patients–at
least 50 percent of clients, in some residential drug
programs–providers have few incentives to improve their practices.

Note: Maia Szalavitz is a co-author of Recovery Options: The
Complete Guide: How You and Your Loved Ones Can Understand
and Treat Alcohol and Other Drug Problems ( Wiley 2000 ).

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 21, 2003 at 9:38:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:
On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:55:50AM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:

| is there anybody out there?

Is there anybody in there…? Just nod if you can hear me.

Justa little PinPricK…

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Subject: [ibogaine] Mention of Philip Dick on Mindvox
Date: January 21, 2003 at 9:11:45 PM EST
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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:12:14 -0500
From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] The Star Dec. 24 (one day before JAMA)
Status:

On [Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:54:27PM -0800], [brendan22@hushmail.com] wrote:

| Patrick who is this moron?

Jeff is a consultant who reviews patient safety data for HV. He has
absolutely nothing to do with setting the pricing, he is not a
shareholder, he does not make decisions regarding when and how Deborah’s
data is published or presented. In short: unloading upon him serves no
particular purpose; he is not in a position to make changes and cannot
disclose proprietary information.

The article in the Star had a few minor factual errors, possibly due to
their fact checking department being on vacation until roughly the heat
death of the universe.

Other than alla this, he’s an addictionologist. He’s a relatively recent
addition and wuz not around when I dosed, so I dunno what his particular
theories are ’bout the meaning of life, death, and addikshun. As far as I
know he’s a big fan of the 12-steps ‘cuz that’s what worked for him. He
appears to honestly believe in what he does. He has never attempted to
inflict his paradigms upon me. He tries to help his clients. Sometimes
this works out, sometimes it does not. If it doesn’t, then it’s probably
up to the individual to find something else to do — presuming they wanna
get clean.

To sum it up: I dunno Jeff very well, but I have seen him repeatedly
attempt to help individuals who are broken down n’ shit and have no flow
to pay him. While people have a complex series of reasons for any given
thing they do, many who work with addiction are primarily driven by
emotional needs. Ascribing the motivation for any given person’s actions
to solely altruism or greed, would tend to be wrong in either case.

Everybody is working out their own shit in different ways.

| I don’t even need to ask that question because I know what the answer
| will be. Nothing.

Okay, here, my reply:

http://www.phantom.com/~digital

| Patrick this one’s for you. It doesn’t matter what your relationship is
| with mash, its obvious that its all personal and nothing to do with
| anything else, but your entire life history is pulling skeletons out of
| everyone’s closets. You people get indicted and a month later General
| Donn B. Parker from SRI is being investigated for using research money
| to buy escorts, his phone lines go to a escort agency and then he
| resigns and that case is dismissed because their main witness won’t
| testify against you. This is one case out of many. I wont go on with
| this but you people always get everything on everyone.

Brendan, you — and a few other people — have this charming habit of
wedging events that may or may not have occurred a decade ago, and pertain
to da h4(k3r undergr0und; right into the middle of messages which have
absolutely nothing to do with anything you’re talking about.

I do not know Donn Parker, I have never spoken with Donn Parker, and
<cough> <cough> I don’t think he wuz evah no general, unless it was while
playing dress-up.

Hypothesizing that what you posted bears any relation whatsoever to events
that actually occurred — as opposed to third person, fourth-party hearsay
— I am highly unclear what your point is. The only lesson I can derive
from this paragraph is a very old one: people who live in glass houses,
shouldn’t cast stones. Unless of course they want shit to blow the fuck
up, and have everything come crashing down all over them. Instant karma.

If you feel the urge to unload all this, please do so on the vox list or
fd. It’s not really appropriate for a forum dedicated to the discussion
of Philip K. Dick, Time Travel physics, and people such as myself having
extended seizures over the psychological damages inflicted upon them by
treatment pimps and 12-step meetings.

Uhm, whoopsie, I meant to say: it’s not really appropriate for a forum
dedicated to the discussion of ibogaine. Yeah that wuz it.

| I’m sure there isn’t a computer or telephone with 10 miles of you that
| is’nt 0wned.

What’s with the 10 mile radius…? The whole point of communications
technology is that all distances on planet Earth — and outer space toO!
— are more or less equidistant…

Well, unless you’re using Global Crossing or WorldCom, “look, obviously
you Just Don’t Understand. The SiGnAl has to travel a lonnnnnnnnng way,
up and down hills, through outer space, and underwater too… It gets
VERY TIRED. Unless the sIgNaL receives another $25 billion in funding,
more stock options, and all criminal charges are dropped; it’s just going
to give up, file chapter 11, and sit down somewhere. And then, roughly
50% of the world’s communications backbone will go dark. If this happens,
civilization as we know it will grind to a halt. I mean, how are you
going to steal copyrighted music, download pr0n, and play Quake III
Arena?”

| It doesn’t matter if you signed nondisclosures but if mash is not lying
| about everything and she knows things about ibogaine that nobody else
| does and someone dies in a situation that could have been avoided if she
| did what she claims she is doing, studying ibogaine instead of getting
| rich. the blood is on your hands too Patrick.

Highly excellent do0d. I give it 10 shiny gold stars on the Histrionic
DramaMeter. When you’re not drunk, you can be very lucid and articulate.

However, s’okay, blood washes off. If you happen to get it on your
clothes, lemme mention that Tide with that Protein Lifting akshun and
Mountain Spring scent, works miracles.

| This is not a dis to you at all patrick, its something to think about.
| You do things that help other people you run the list, you speak out
| about ibogaine everywhere and not just Mash’s, your hacker subculture
| stronghold mindvox has become the ibogaine promotional service. you have
| got to have some problems with all this because you never say one word
| about healing visions, you personalize it and always back up mash even
| when shes full of shit. She’s not listening to anyone, she listens to
| you so mention to her that it may be great to publish some of that data
| if its so important.

Thanks do0d, I’m glad my life meets with your approval. What is it that
YOU do again…?

I do not own any proprietary ibogaine research data, and thusly, it’s
completely pointless to toss this in my direction. What is it that you
want from me…? You know that ibogaine works, you know where to obtain
it, so your problem is…?

Yes there are various dangers inherent with using ibogaine. To cop a line
from Paracelsus, “everything is poison, nothing is poison.” Nothing is
absolutely safe, least of all any given day in the life of a junkie or
crackhead <shrug>.

To articulate my own OPINION; there seems to be an increasingly large
contingent of people dosing drug-dependent individuals with ibogaine,
under a wide variety of conditions.

The main question appears to be: what happens to any given individual who
experiences an adverse event — however you choose to define “adverse
event” — under the influence of ibogaine, if that situation is not
immediately dealt with (or even noticed, if no monitoring is taking
place). Will they drop dead?

The answer seems to be: maybe, but probably not. ‘Cuz if somewhere there
is a growing mountain of dead bodies, I’m not aware of it.

Whatever you wind up doing, YOU are ultimately responsible for YOU. If
you want to dose with ibogaine, it’d be a great idea to at least give
yourself basic familiarity with what to expect, and read through the
ibogaine manual.

http://www.ibogaine.org/manual.html

| Or does she need to make another 10 million before she’s sure of the results?

Deborah has never made $10 dollars from ibogaine, much less anything
approaching $10 million. HV is a dog with fleas in terms of cashflow;
factor in all the expenses of flying MD’s, counselors, shrinks, and
various other staff, to an island in the middle of nowhere, and what it
costs to get all of them to drop their practices and personal lives for
two weeks while they sit and spin on St. Kitts, and you arrive at breaking
even.

If you cannot afford St. Kitts, or the whole scenario is not to your
liking, well then: go somewhere else! Big fucking deal. The situation is
dramatically different than it was a few years ago; the prices for
ibogaine and ibogaine treatment start at NOTHING, and move upwards from
there depending on what you want, and where you’d like to go. You have
many choices.

Ibogaine Treatment Centres and supply options

If Deborah’s publishing schedule is not to your liking, oh well. The
problem is that she’s at the Department of Neurology, *not* the Department
of Ibogaine. There doesn’t seem to be anybody who wants to fund anything
related to ibogaine, and gosh, running a department has expenses; thusly,
shit that pays the bills gets prioritized above the Holy Crusade, which
has never generated .5 fucking cents.

If you’d like to accelerate things, restart clinical trials within the
United States, and see ibogaine move forward a little faster than the
speed of a crawling snail: please feel free to send cash to the Ibogaine
Research Project. It’s a registered 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization and
you can write it off on your taxes.

Or buy plane tickets for somebody who can’t afford it, to go see Marc.

If you just wanna bitch about shit <shrug> welcome to the human race, hope
it provides a nice catharsis.

Thanks for sharing,

Patrick

From: Dana Beal <dana@cures-not-wars.org>
Subject: [ibogaine] Albany Testimony– Feedback Welcome, but do it tonite…
Date: January 21, 2003 at 8:58:13 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

January 22, 2003
Re: the Medical Marijuana Bill

I would like to thank the committee today for the chance to expand upon my remarks in order to refute the erroneous impression left by certain speakers at the hearing in December that cannabis is pharmacologically identical to alcohol or opiates. In fact, alcohol and opiates act through the glutamate pathways; they are pro-inflammatory, like nicotine, as opposed to cannabinols, which down-regulate glutamate and inflammation. You will remember what I said before about marijuana’s anti-carcinogenic properties. There are studies that show smoking pot produces “precancerous” cellular alterations. Prohibition supporters often claim marijuana smoke has even more cancer causing compounds than does tobacco smoke. However, this claim is based on the tar content of cannabis LEAVES. Cannabis users do not smoke leaves; the BUDS contain only 30% as much tar as tobacco.

Recent scientific studies have shown that cancer-causing effects are specifically due to nicotine. In fact, nicotine through nicotine receptors in the airways protects cells damaged by the carcinogens found in tobacco smoke from dying. Cells that are genetically damaged by carcinogens and protected from dying are the cells that go on to become cancer cells. The question becomes will pot smokers develop lung cancer as do cigarette smokers, but perhaps at a slower rate.

In this regard, established facts on the impact of marijuana on the immune system must be considered. The immune systems has specific cannabinoid receptors (CB2) that are distinguishable from the neurological variety (CB1). Stimulation of the CB2 receptor plays an important role in what is known as “immune deviation”. The immune system can typically respond in either of two general patterns known as a th1 or a th2 cytokine response. Cannabinoids cause the immune system to deviate to a th2, anti-inflammatory response. In contrast, tobacco smoke has opposite pharmacological properties and results in a pro-inflammatory response. The pro-inflammatory response is characterized by free radical production which will exacerbate any carcinogens in the smoke. Pro-inflammatory response amplifies tobacco’s carcinogenic potential whereas marijuana’s anti-inflammatory response intrinsically reduces the carcinogenic potential of smoking. Consistent with epidemiological studies which do not bear out cannabis carcinogenesis, tobacco causes lung cancer whereas marijuana does not.

In the middle of the last century, cannabis was commonly compared to alcohol; indeed–you heard it’s action described in December as an “anesthetic–like being drunk.” The claim was made then that cannabis has no real efficacy in the management of pain whatsoever. But a simple review of the literature shows this is not true at all.

Mammalian tissues contain at least two types of cannabinoid receptor, CB1 and CB2, both coupled to G proteins. CB1 receptors are expressed mainly by neurones of the central and peripheral nervous system whereas CB2 receptors occur centrally and peripherally in certain non-neuronal tissues, particularly in immune cells. The existence of endogenous neurotransmitterss for cannabinoid receptors has also been demonstrated. CB1 receptors are involved in nociceptive pain and both CB1 and CB2 receptors are involved in inflammatory hypersensitivity. Furthermore, cannabinoids produce analgesia by modulating rostral ventromedial medulla (RVM) neuronal activityin a manner similar to, but pharmacologically dissociable from,that of morphine. They also show that endogenous cannabinoids tonically regulate pain thresholds in part through the modulation of RVM neuronal activity. These results show that analgesia produced by cannabinoids and opioids involves similar brainstem circuitry and that cannabinoids are indeed centrally acting analgesics with a new mechanism of action. Furthermore contralateral thalamic cannabinoid CB receptors are upregulated after unilateral axotomy of the tibial branch of the sciatic nerve, a rat model of chronic neuropathic pain, implying that cannabinoid CB receptor 1 upregulation contributes to the increased analgesic efficacy of cannabinoids in chronic pain conditions. These findings suggest that marijuana-induced antinociception is mediated through a CB1-receptor mechanism of action and are consistent with the notion that 9-THC is mainly responsible for this effect. These results also strongly suggest that the cannabinoid CB receptor is expressed presynaptically and that the activation of these receptors by synthetic cannabinoid CB receptor agonists or low concentration of anandamide results in inhibition of transmitter release from nociceptive primary sensory neurons. High concentrations of anandamide, on the other hand, increase the frequency of miniature excitatory postsynaptic currents recorded from substantia gelatinosa neurons. The possibility that antinociception can be mediated by cannabinoid receptors other than CB1 and CB2 receptors, for example CB2-like receptors, is also discussed as is the evidence firstly that one endogenous cannabinoid, anandamide, produces antinociception through mechanisms that differ from those of other types of cannabinoid, for example by acting on vanilloid receptors, and secondly that the endocannabinoid system has physiological and/or pathophysiological roles in the modulation of pain.*

The relevance to these hearings of an effective means of pain management that is anti-inflammatory, and not pro-inflammatory, is that many auto-immune conditions currently being treated with opiates, like M.S. or arthritis, respond so much better to cannabis because the last thing these patients need is something that masks the pain while making their auto-immune inflammatory response worse! But the physician partisans of opiates, as you heard in December, are rather hostile to the input of individual patients, and prefer to focus on the putative negative impact of medical marijuana on public health. Gabriel Nahas has even opined that “so-called medical marijuana patients” are really candidates for methadone maintenance.

Considered from the public health standpoint, though, cannabis is more often than not a replacement for alcohol and other drugs. When cannabis use goes up, alcohol use goes down. And because the cannabis effect is NOT incapacitating like alcohol intoxication (every single study to date shows no significant impairment of driving, for instance) the effect of the substitution of cannabis is the save lives. Economists Frank Chaloupka and Adit Laixuthai, at the University of Illinois at Chicago, estimate that cannabis decriminalization would reduce youth traffic fatalities by 5.5 per cent, youth drinking rates by eight per cent and binge-drinking rates by five per cent. Other evidence suggests we would see similar declines in emergency-room drug and alcohol cases.

Now since any state medical marijuana measure enacted under George Bush is DOA, and since I notice that Chairman Lentol is sponsoring a companion piece of legislation which toughens penalties for repeat sale, perhaps it is time to consider that simply relaxing the laws on possession and distribution that are now on the books would have more practical benefits for medical patients, especially persons living with AIDS in New York City.

Consider that 25% of all misdemeanor cases in New York on an average day are for simple possession of small amounts of marijuana. 90% of these are youths or Black and Latino inner city residents.** A review of the AIDS statistics reveals that these neighborhoods have rates of 846 to 3354 of HIV infection per hundred thousand. But since narcotic enforcement tends to focus on the same, familiar population of drug users, the percentage of people with AIDS or hepatitis C who are locked up and kept from complying with their regimen of medications is far higher than the 1 to 4 % these statistics suggest. Considering that it’s almost impossible to go through Central Booking without being exposed to at least one homeless person with drug-resistant tuberculosis, no system could be devised which would more exacerbate the AIDS crisis.

The answer is to bite the bullet, do what Great Britain is doing, and sanction casual marijuana possession with a verbal warning and confiscation. No ticket, no jail time, no fingerprinting on the remote chance that out of thousands detained, you’ll catch one actual criminal.

The second problem is that unlike methadone, there is no provision under your contemplated legislation for access to cannabis for people who don’t have a life-threatening condition but–like the methadone client–can’t or won’t quit using. Since methadone is arguably the more toxic substance, the only explanation is that the state intends that people be strung out on harder, more addictive drugs: opiates, alcohol and tobacco. This makes no sense, and the solution is to change the law to punish, not repeat sale, but the use of the market in cannabis to introduce neophytes to harder drugs. The stiffer penalties would come into play wherever cannabis was found commingled with cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, etc. Over time, the public health benefits of this approach are enormous, as we may see >from the several decade experience of the Netherlands.

According to Dutch government factsheets, for instance, out of the total population of 727,000, Amsterdam has around 5,100 hard-drug users. The primary thrust of policy is to discourage the use of drugs, and to combat the trade in drugs. The authorities also seek to minimise the risks incurred by drug users and to reduce as far as possible the nuisance factor for the general public. In the context of use, Amsterdam’s drug policy differentiates between hard and soft drugs, i.e.: cannabis is available, but at locations where no other illicit substances may be sold, and this “market separation” is strictly enforced. Of some 5,100 hard-drug users, around 2000 are of Dutch origin, with some 1,350 having roots in former colony of Surinam, the Netherlands Antilles and Morocco. Around 1,750 users come >from other European countries, mainly Germany and Italy. The total number of hard-drug users is steadily decreasing, while their average age is rising, from 26.8 years in 1981 to 39 years in 1999. In the same period the total number of drug users under 22 years of age dropped from 14.4 percent to 1.6%.

In terms of the AIDS crisis, there is no question that cannabis consumption is not implicated in the spread of the virus, whereas the U.S. failure to get a handle on its needle-drug problem has supplied the vector for almost half of all infections in New York City. For that reason, instead of trying to carve out an exception to the system for the severely ill and dying [which exception recalcitrant narcs will no doubt flout with help of the Feds anyway], you should CHANGE THE SYSTEM to protect the public health–removing the threat of arrest for very sick in the process.

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* CB1 and CB2 cannabinoid receptors are implicated in inflammatory pain N. Claytona,b, F.H. Marshallc, C. Bountraa,b, C.T. O’Shaughnessyc,* aDepartment of Neurology, GlaxoWellcome Research and Development Ltd, Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage SG1 2NY, UK bDepartment of Rheumatology, GlaxoWellcome Research and Development Ltd, Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage SG1 2NY, UK cDepartment of 7TM Receptors, GlaxoWellcome Research and Development Ltd, Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage SG1 2NY, UK Received 1 March 2001; received in revised form 12 October 2001; accepted 23 October 2001

Abstract
The cannabinoid agonist, HU210 has been evaluated in vivo in nociceptive and inflammatory pain models in the rat. The ED50 for the antinociceptive (increasing mechanical withdrawal threshold) effect was 0.1 mg/kg 2 1 i.p., and for anti-hypersensitivity and anti-inflammatory activity was 5 mg/kg 2 1 i.p. (in the carrageenan model). The selective CB1 antagonist, AM281 (0.5 mg/kg 2 1 i.p.) reversed effects of HU210 (10 and 30 mg/kg 2 1 i.p.) in both nociceptive and inflammatory models of hypersensitivity. The selective CB2 antagonist, SR144528 (1 mg/kg 2 1 i.p.) antagonised effects of HU210 (30 mg/kg 2 1 i.p.) in the carrageenan induced inflammatory hypersensitivity. The CB2 agonist, 1-(3-Dichlorobenzoyl)-5-methoxy-2-methyl-(2-(morpholin-4-yl)ethyl 2 1H-indole (GW405833) inhibited the hypersensitivity and was anti-inflammatory in vivo. These effects were blocked by SR144528. These findings suggest that CB1 receptors are involved in nociceptive pain and that both CB1 and CB2 receptors are involved in inflammatory hypersensitivity. Future studies will investigate effects on identified inflammatory cells within the inflamed tissue to further elucidate the role of cannabinoid receptors.
2001 Elsevier Science Inc. All rights reserved.
Keywords: CB1; CB2; Cannabinoid receptors; Inflammatory pain
An analgesia circuit
activated by cannabinoids
Ian D. Meng*, Barton H. Manning*, William J. MartinÝ
& Howard L. Fields*ý
Departments of *Neurology, Ý Anatomy and ý Physiology, and the W. M. Keck
Foundation Center for Integrative Neuroscience, University of California,
San Francisco, California 94143-0114, USA
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Although many anecdotal reports indicate that marijuana and its
active constituent, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-THC),
may reduce pain sensation1,2, studies of humans have produced
inconsistent results3-6. In animal studies, the apparent pain
suppressing effects of delta-9-THC and other cannabinoid
drugs7-12 are confounded by motor deficits13,14. Here we show
that a brainstem circuit that contributes to the pain-suppressing
effects of morphine15 is also required for the analgesic effects of
cannabinoids. Inactivation of the rostral ventromedial medulla
(RVM) prevents the analgesia but not the motor deficits produced8
by systemically administered cannabinoids. Furthermore, cannabinoids
produce analgesia by modulating RVM neuronal activity
in a manner similar to, but pharmacologically dissociable from,
that of morphine. We also show that endogenous cannabinoids
tonically regulate pain thresholds in part through the modulation
of RVM neuronal activity. These results show that analgesia
produced by cannabinoids and opioids involves similar brainstem
circuitry and that cannabinoids are indeed centrally acting
analgesics with a new mechanism of action.
Z . European Journal of Pharmacology 415 2001 R5-R7
www.elsevier.nlrlocaterejphar
Rapid communication
Cannabinoid CB receptor upregulation in a rat model of chronic 1 neuropathic pain
Angela Siegling, Heiko A. Hofmann, Dirk Denzer, Frank Mauler, Jean De Vry )
CNS Research, Bayer AG, Aprather Weg 18a, D-42096, Wuppertal, Germany
Received in revised form 24 January 2001; accepted 26 January 2001

Abstract
Although cannabinoids are known to be more effective analgesics against chronic rather than acute pain, the mechanism underlying this phenomenon is still unclear. We report now that contralateral thalamic cannabinoid CB receptors are upregulated after unilateral 1 axotomy of the tibial branch of the sciatic nerve, a rat model of chronic neuropathic pain, and hypothesize that cannabinoid CB receptor 1 upregulation contributes to the increased analgesic efficacy of cannabinoids in chronic pain conditions. q2001 Elsevier Science B.V. All
rights reserved.

Drug and Alcohol Dependence 63 (2001) 107-116
The pharmacological activity of inhalation exposure to marijuana smoke in mice
Aron H. Lichtman a,*, Justin L. Poklis b, Alphonse Poklis a,b, David M. Wilson a,
Billy R. Martin a
a Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, MCV Campus, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University,P.O. Box 980613, Richmond, VA 23298- 0613, USA
b Department of Pathology, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth Uniersity, Richmond, VA 23298- 0613, USA
Received 2 August 1999; accepted 21 April 2000
Abstract
Although the majority of cannabinoid users smoke marijuana, the preponderance of laboratory animal research is based on administration of 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (9-THC) or other cannabinoid agents via injection. The aim of the present study was to evaluate the impact of inhaling marijuana, or ethanol-extracted placebo smoke in the mouse model of cannabinoid activity by assessing inhibition of spontaneous activity, antinociception, catalepsy, and body temperature. In order to determine dosimetry, blood levels of 9-THC were obtained following either marijuana exposure or intravenous injection of 9-THC. Inhalation exposure to marijuana produced dose-related increases in antinociception and catalepsy, with estimated ED50 doses of 9-THC of 2.4 and 3.8 mg/kg, respectively. However, hypothermia and locomotor depression occurred in both the placebo- and marijuana- exposed mice. The CB1 receptor antagonist, SR 141716A antagonized the antinociceptive effects of marijuana
(AD50=0.6 mg/kg), but only slightly decreased marijuana-induced catalepsy, and failed to alter either the hypothermic or locomotor depressive effects. In contrast, SR 141716A antagonized the antinociceptive, cataleptic, and hypothermic effects of intravenously administered 9-THC in mice that were exposed to air alone, though all subjects exhibited locomotor depression, possibly related to the restraint. In accordance with reports of others, these data suggest that exposure to smoke alone has pharmacological consequences. Our findings also indicate that marijuana-induced antinociception is mediated through a CB1-receptor mechanism of action and are consistent with the notion that 9-THC is mainly responsible for this effect. © 2001
Elsevier Science Ireland Ltd. All rights reserved.
www.elsevier.com/locate/drugalcdep

Z . European Journal of Pharmacology 429 2001 93-100
www.elsevier.comrlocaterejphar
Review
Possible mechanisms of cannabinoid-induced antinociception in the spinal cord
Valerie Morisset a, Jatinder Ahluwalia a,b, Istvan Nagy b, Laszlo Urban a,)
a NoÕartis Institute for Medical Sciences, 5 Gower Place, London, WC1E 6BN, UK
b Department of Anaesthetics, Imperial College, Faculty of Medicine, Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, 369 Fulham Road, London, SW10 9NH, UK
Accepted 27 July 2001
Abstract
Anandamide is an endogenous ligand at both the inhibitory cannabinoid CB receptor and the excitatory vanilloid receptor 1 VR1 . The CB receptor and vanilloid VR1 receptor are expressed in about 50% and 40% of dorsal root ganglion neurons, respectively. While all vanilloid VR1 receptor-expressing cells belong to the calcitonin gene-related peptide-containing and isolectin B4-binding sub-populations of nociceptive primary sensory neurons, about 80% of the cannabinoid CB receptor-expressing cells belong to those sub-populations. Furthermore, all vanilloid VR1 receptor-expressing cells co-express the cannabinoid CB receptor. In agreement with these findings, neonatal capsaicin treatment that induces degeneration of capsaicin-sensitive, vanilloid VR1 receptor-expressing, thin, unmyelinated, nociceptive primary afferent fibres significantly reduced the cannabinoid CB receptor immunostaining in the superficial spinal dorsal horn. Synthetic cannabinoid CB receptor agonists, which do not have affinity at the vanilloid VR1 receptor, and low concentrations of anandamide both reduce the frequency of miniature excitatory postsynaptic currents and electrical stimulation-evoked or
capsaicin-induced excitatory postsynaptic currents in substantia gelatinosa cells in the spinal cord without any effect on their amplitude.
These effects are blocked by selective cannabinoid CB receptor antagonists. Furthermore, the paired-pulse ratio is increased while the postsynaptic response of substantia gelatinosa neurons induced by a-amino-3-hydroxy- 5-methylisoxasole-propionic acid AMPA in the presence of tetrodotoxin is unchanged following cannabinoid CB receptor activation. These results strongly suggest that the cannabinoid CB receptor is expressed presynaptically and that the activation of these receptors by synthetic cannabinoid CB receptor agonists or low concentration of anandamide results in inhibition of transmitter release from nociceptive primary sensory neurons. High concentrations of anandamide, on the other hand, increase the frequency of miniature excitatory postsynaptic currents recorded from substantia gelatinosa neurons. This increase is blocked by ruthenium red, suggesting that this effect is mediated through the vanilloid VR1 receptor. Thus, anandamide at high concentrations can activate the VR1 and produce an opposite, excitatory effect to its inhibitory action produced at low concentrations through cannabinoid CB receptor activation. This dual, concentration-dependent effect of anandamide could be an
important presynaptic modulatory mechanism in the spinal nociceptive system. q2001 Elsevier Science B.V. All rights reserved.

Progress in Neurobiology 63 (2001) 569-611
Cannabinoid receptors and pain
Roger G. Pertwee *
Department of Biomedical Sciences, Institute of Medical Sciences, Uni6ersity of Aberdeen, Foresterhill, Aberdeen AB 25 2ZD, Scotland, UK
Received 9 February 2000
Abstract
Mammalian tissues contain at least two types of cannabinoid receptor, CB1 and CB2, both coupled to G proteins. CB1 receptors are expressed mainly by neurones of the central and peripheral nervous system whereas CB2 receptors occur centrally and peripherally in certain non-neuronal tissues, particularly in immune cells. The existence of endogenous ligands for cannabinoid receptors has also been demonstrated. The discovery of this ‘endocannabinoid system’ has prompted the development of a range of novel cannabinoid receptor agonists and antagonists, including several that show marked selectivity for CB1 or CB2 receptors.
It has also been paralleled by a renewed interest in cannabinoid-induced antinociception. This review summarizes current knowledge about the ability of cannabinoids to produce antinociception in animal models of acute pain as well as about the ability of these drugs to suppress signs of tonic pain induced in animals by nerve damage or by the injection of an inflammatory agent.
Particular attention is paid to the types of pain against which cannabinoids may be effective, the distribution pattern of cannabinoid receptors in central and peripheral pain pathways and the part that these receptors play in cannabinoid-induced antinociception. The possibility that antinociception can be mediated by cannabinoid receptors other than CB1 and CB2 receptors, for example CB2-like receptors, is also discussed as is the evidence firstly that one endogenous cannabinoid, anandamide, produces antinociception through mechanisms that differ from those of other types of cannabinoid, for example by acting on vanilloid receptors, and secondly that the endocannabinoid system has physiological and:or pathophysiological roles in the modulation of pain.
© 2001 Elsevier Science Ltd. All rights reserved.
www.elsevier.com:locate:pneurobio

Dr. Robert J. Melamede
Chairman, Biology Department
Room 232
University of Colorado
1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway
PO Box 7150
Colorado Springs, CO 80933-7150

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** A May 2000 Human Rights Watch report, Punishment and Prejudice, found that the rate at which African-American men are sentenced to state prison for drug crimes is thirteen times greater than the rate at which Euro-American men are sentenced for similar offenses. The Bureau of Justice Statistics has further disclosed that one in three African-American men aged 20-29 are now under some kind of correctional supervision.

From: Brett Calabrese <bcalabrese@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [ibogaine] ibogaine and antipsychotic drugs
Date: January 21, 2003 at 9:30:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Contrary to current standard medical practice my
suggestion would be to remove the cause of the
disease/symptom rather than run around treating them
leaving the cause intact. In other words, MY treatment
of choice for cocaine psychosis is to remove the
cocaine (it is quite effective <g>), not to add more
drugs into the mix (hummm…). The Risperidone should
be discontinued (IMO) prior to ibo treatment (I do not
know the specifics of D/C’ing such a drug), the ibo,
time and not using will take care of most if not all
of the psychosis. You could use parlodel (aka
bromocriptine sp?) to “normalize” the brain (for 2
weeks) it is pretty standard stuff and orderable
online (qhi.co.uk). Other nutritional support such as
phenylalanine and a good diet also helps coke/speed
addicts recover. Anyway, real “cocaine psychosis” is
generally a very short term event (while on cocaine)
though people can be wacky for some time after a good
long coke run. Ah, the good old days, what fun, I
really miss those meanies trying to get me…

FWIW

Brett

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Hi, I’m responding to the questions on the list
about crack psychosis and the use of anti-psychotic
drugs, specif. Risperidone (Risperdal). I am a
psychiatric nurse practitioner so can give you some
facts, which you can also get yourself in any good
drug book such as a PDR or any drug book written for
nurses (almost every major health publisher has
one). First of all, crack psychosis (like
amphetamine psychosis) SHOULD be a temporary
phenomenon. Kind of like a delirium which is an
altered state of consciousness (usu.
w/disorientation, maybe physical stuff like
incontinence and ataxia, and “psychotic” symptoms
such as delusions, hallucinations, agitation, etc.)
Anything that is a delirium has a cause which needs
to be identified (in this case, use of crack), and
when discontinued or rectified, the delirium should
(in varying amounts of time depending on the cause)
clear. For ex., many drugs (even cardiovascular and
gastrointestinal drugs) can cause delirium, toxic
levels of drugs (even “common” drugs for “medical”
conditions) can do so also (particularly in
vulnerable people such as the elderly, those
w/impaired renal/hepatic function, dehydration,
etc), fever can cause delirium as can nutritional
imbalances, dehydration, and even infection such as
UTIs and URIs. So, if the person’s psychosis is
caused by crack use, it should clear when the crack
gets out of their body. The experience can really
shake people up though where they may need
restorative care afterwards, and espec. if their
chronic use and/or lifestyle has caused their
physical health to be run down anyway. Like, they
may need hydration, GOOD nutrition including
supplements, rest, calming mental activities, etc.
Drugslike Risperidone are primarily used for people
who have more organic disease-caused reasons for
psychosis, such as people w/schizophrenia, people
w/bipolar disorder who get manic alot, and people
w/dementias who have psychotic symptoms. A dementia
can look alot like delirium except it comes on
slowly, is very global (affects all aspects of
cognition, emotion, behavior), and won’t clear by
identifying the cause and fixing it. Cause
dementia’s by definition are organic processes that
generally don’t get better cause actual permanent
brain changes are occurring (such as in Alzheimers,
people w/strokes, Parkinsons, end-stage syphilis,
and other causes of dementia). Risperidone is a
powerful medication which has some potentially very
dangerous side effects such a neuroleptic malignancy
syndrome which can be fatal, abnormal involuntary
movement disorders, blood dyscrasias, cardiac
arrythmias, and many more. It’s not something that
should be prescribed without much careful attention
to diagnosis and of course frequent follow-up. If
it were being used for crack psychosis I would
assume it would be used for a short time, just until
the crack really exited the person’s body and there
were other restorative treatments being given (as
above). It would be quite unusual for someone to
have permanent psychosis from using crack. Normal
doses of Risperidone are 1 mg. bid to a max of about
4-6 mg. bid (twice a day). It is supplied in an oral
form which is 1mg/1cc (1 mg.of medicine in every 1
cc (or ml–same thing)of the fluid). welll, i hope
this is helpful. If there is anything else i can
help w/, especially in the realm of
medical/psychiatric issues, please let me know. Many
blessings to you and your work, Eliana Quinet,
RN,MS,CS

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From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 21, 2003 at 7:38:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

On [Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:55:50AM -0800], [Gamma] wrote:

| is there anybody out there?

Is there anybody in there…? Just nod if you can hear me.

From: Gamma <gammalyte9000@yahoo.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] pAging Dr. OctaGon
Date: January 21, 2003 at 10:55:50 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

is there anybody out there?

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From: sara119@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine and antipsychotic drugs
Date: January 21, 2003 at 4:49:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I also have someone who is being given Risperdone who wants to take
ibogaine
to get off the withdrawl she feels from stopping the use of Risperdone. I
don’t know what to do here.

Marc Emery
Iboga Therapy House

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From: “Hattie” <epoptica@freeuk.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] ibogaine and antipsychotic drugs

on 1/13/03 11:09 AM, preston peet at ptpeet@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I was wondering whether anyone can help. Someone has contacted me
wanting
to
do ibogaine who has been suffering a crack induced psychosis. As a
result
he
is on antipsychotic drugs – 2ml 2 times a day of RISPERDONE. He knows I
am
not currently facilitating sessions but wanted my advice.

My initial response was to advise against on principle that taking a
strong
psychoactive to help deal with an incidence of psychosis was generally
not
a
good idea! Then thinking about it I thought that perhaps the risperdone
would merely block the psychoactive effects of ibogaine.

I am guessing and was wondering basically if there are any
contraindications
with antipsychotic drugs, any physical dangers for him. And also whether
anyone knows if it would block the psychoactive effects of the ibogaine.

The guy is in a catch 22. He wants to give up drugs because they are
making
him mad (in his words) and yet the one thing that may help may also
interact
badly with the drugs he is taking to control the madness! He has said
that
he missed taking the medication a few times and suffered no psychotic
effects. His episode of psychosis involved voices in his head among
other
uncomfortable physical effects. I asked him why he hasn’t tried coming
off
the medication and he said that he only saw the psychiatrist every 3
months
and the last visit was uneventful and no suggestions to come of the
drugs
were given.

Can anyone give more info on crack induced psychosis?

Could he take the ibogaine on top of the medication, or should he come
off
the medication, or should he completely avoid taking ibogaine.

Any medical and psychiatric advice would be most welcome.

Thanks

Hattie

PS He is using crack, heroin and methadone daily

Hi ,

There is a way to treat patients who take anti psychotic drugs in
combination with other drugs ,

I have done it many times without any problem ,

this is not a treatment someone can do on his own , and it takes two weeks
treatment with a special care and multi dosages in small amounts,

greetings,

Sara

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [ibogaine] bl1p
Date: January 21, 2003 at 7:19:58 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com, drugwar@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Lists — and that whole entire MindVox thing — were unreachable for the
last 48 hours or so, while everybody took off for the weekend and firewall
isSueZ reared their hedz.

All is well, don’t panic.

This also means, all the mail that’s queued up, is gonna start going
<splat> right around now.

Patrick

From: “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [ibogaine] The Star Dec. 24 (one day before JAMA)
Date: January 21, 2003 at 7:12:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com