Ibogaine List Archives - 2004-10

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: October 31, 2004 at 9:07:14 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ibogaine is not a cure. It is a highly effective treatment. It is about as
good as it gets unless you opt for maintenance therapy (buprenorphine,
methadone, etc.)

Howard

In a message dated 10/31/04 4:13:58 PM, bchloej@hotmail.com writes:

Ron, I have never used drugs, or even smoked a cigarette for that matter.

My son was addicted to Oxycontin and I’m one to find a cure, rather than
a
treatment. Thst’s why I’m interested in Iboga. But, I’m not hearing
alot
about addicts overcoming they’re addiction. So, is it taken for granted

that all addicts are for Kerry? My son is not. I love everyone and would

do my best to help anyone, but I’ve always had a strong sense of justice,

and do have a problem with hearing President Bush treated so badly by those

who he has taken so much heat to protect. But, If Kerry wins, I will
not
say a harsh word against him, because he would be my President, and any

criticism is fuel to terriorists fire and empowers them to kill more of
our
troops.

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From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:56:30 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

They gotta lotta nice girl’s, HA!

From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:50:04 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m done with the politics. I can talk that anywhere. Just vote. I don’t give a rat’s ass for whom. Just do the American thing and vote. Hell, i voted for a democratic governor last race. I’m not stuck on any party, although i’m a registered Republican. They are all not the same. Same as all Democrats aren’t either. Neither candidate can give you every thing you want. But I will say, Republican or Democrat, most are overpaid, spoiled crooks, who want power. And will say anything or do anything to get it. Greed and power. Always been that way, always will be. But we get to elect the greediest, most powerful bastard, anyway. Well, kind of.

From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:39:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

We sell weapons to our ally’s everyday. 10 years they are your enemy. Got to make sure you have he dominant weapons and the best pilots,trainers, and ways to incompacitate the weapons you sold if need be. And spare parts. Billion dollar weapons ain’t worth squat without the right technology or spare part.

From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:31:59 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

You’d be shocked at who is selling whom weapons. Your ally today, your enemy tomorrow. Evey country guilty.

From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:28:12 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

France and Russia
Iraq did most of its killing using Russian-made MiG and Sukhoi aircraft equipped with chemical sprayers. In addition, Saddam used French-made artillery and helicopters to dump gas on the Iranians and his own people.
The 155mm shell found outside of Baghdad airport was made for Iraq’s arsenal of French made artillery. Clearly, the shell was designed to meet French military standards to fire and used advanced safety techniques to protect Iraqi gunners.
It was that safety technique, of separating the nerve gas into two inert chemicals, and placing them in two chambers inside the shell, that foiled the terrorist attack. The “binary” chemical weapons design has a metal or plastic diaphragm designed to keep the two inert chemicals apart until the massive force or shock of firing it down a cannon bursts the wall, allowing the chemicals to mix.
Ironically, the binary weapons design originated inside the former Soviet Union. Saddam Hussein rose to power backed by Russian weapons and Russian money. Saddam still owes Moscow over $8 billion for the arms he purchased from Russia.
The primary Iraqi chemical weapons are nerve gas and mustard gas, a blistering agent, standard equipment for the 1980s Soviet era military machine.
According to “Russian Military Power” published in 1982, “It is known that the Soviets maintain stocks of CW (chemical weapons) agents.” The two primary Russian chemical weapons in the 1982 Soviet inventory were “nerve” gas and “blistering agents – developments of mustard gas used so effectively in World War I.”
Iraq obtained Russian chemical delivery systems and the same inventory of Russian made chemical weapons at the same time. Iraqi SU-22 Fitter attack jets have been armed with Warsaw Pact designed bombs filled with chemical weapons.
Iraq used these Russian jet fighters to drop chemical weapons on Iranian troops during the Iran/Iraq war. Iraq tried to use these SU-22 jets during the 1991 Gulf war and was foiled by the allied air superiority.

From: Carla Barnes <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Get Up off Your Ass and VOTE (for SOMEBODY)
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:26:30 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Sorry Patrick, Bruce doesn’t count. His dad is a ultra
liberal democrat who started the Village Voice, what
else would his son be except a ultra conservative
republican? 😉 He’s mad at his father. If he was
really a conservative republican, why would he spend
his life hanging around with you and doing mindvox?
😉

Carla B

— “Patrick K. Kroupa” <digital@phantom.com> wrote:

My partner in MindVox, and one of my best friends
since we were little
kids — Bruce Fancher — is also a Libertarian. We
basically share the
same beliefs. Somewhere near the very top is the
absolute conviction
that a government that seeks to imprison me for the
“crime” of altering
my state of consciousness against its wishes, is
pretty much a textbook
definition of fascism.

By which I mean to say, that “War on Drugs” thing…
It’s really just
not working out. Having been at the receiving end
of it for most of my
life, it’s hard not to take it personally.

I am voting against Bush. Since the basic core of
being a Libertarian
is pragmatism, this means I will be voting for
Kerry.

Bruce will be voting for Bush — again, for the
second time. He’s a
very smart, dysfunctional, human being, who doesn’t
watch Fox News and
has no interest in the abortion issue (as far as I
know, we haven’t
discussed it at length). <Shrug>

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:27:09 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

applause

On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 12:18 PM, BiscuitBoy714@aol.com wrote:

What opposition, I’m voting for Charles Bukowski I don’t care if he is dead. I wonder if Bush ever read “All the assholes in the world and mine”?

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:19:41 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

and ” how how how how”

On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 10:39 AM, Charliedog43@aol.com wrote:

Don’t forget the Billy Gibbons and the boys. “You know what i’m talking about.”

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:18:10 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

What opposition, I’m voting for Charles Bukowski I don’t care if he is dead. I wonder if Bush ever read “All the assholes in the world and mine”?

From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:14:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Texas gave us Billy Gibbons too!!! Randy

From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:07:47 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

LOL,
What a perfect name for a message from someone supporting Bush- Faith.
You are of course joking, right Faith?
Go Thompson!

Peace and love,
Preston

“Madness is not enlightenment, but the search for enlightenment is often mistaken for madness”
Richard Davenport-Hines

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Editor http://www.drugwar.com
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Columnist New York Waste
Etc.

—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]

Our creator, and the decent people in the US are getting very fed up of the attacks against the decent. The weakest, most despicible beings there are are those who feel so safe attacking the good, decent people who will stand for the rights of the people who are too tiny to vote, those that believe that every human freedom of choice to live or die, and has the moxie to fight against terriorism, when it’s so unpopular. No, George Bush speech comes from the heart, and he gets emotional. John Kerry really doesn’t care, sounds like it’s memorized. You had to hear him say that he would use OUR tax money to give to some female “being” to murder another human. I would rather not work, than to let any of my money go for this terriorist act, tha John Kerry supports.

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:22:53 -1000

He’s been America’s most unorthodox political commentator for more than 30 years. But for Dr Hunter S Thompson the Bush presidency is evil beyond belief – and judgement is nigh

28 October 2004

The genetically vicious nature of presidential campaigns in America is too obvious to argue with, but some people call it fun, and I am one of them. Election day – especially when it’s a presidential election – is always a wild and terrifying time for politics junkies, and I am one of those, too. We look forward to major election days like sex addicts look forward to orgies. We are slaves to them.

Which is not a bad thing, all in all, for the winners. They are not the ones who bitch and whine about slavery when the votes are finally counted and the losers are forced to get down on their knees. No. The slaves who emerge victorious from these drastic public decisions go crazy with joy and plunge each other into deep tubs of chilled Cristal champagne with naked strangers who want to be close to a winner.

That is how it works in the victory business. You see it every time. The weak suck up to the strong, for fear of losing their jobs and money and all the fickle power they wielded only 24 hours ago. It is like suddenly losing your wife and your home in a vagrant poker game, then having to go on the road with whoremongers and beg for your dinner in public. Nobody wants to hire a loser. Right? They stink of doom and defeat.

“What is that horrible smell in the office, Tex? It’s making me sick.”

“That is the smell of a loser, senator. He came in to apply for a job, but we tossed him out immediately. Sgt Sloat took him down to the parking lot and taught him a lesson he will never forget.”

“Good work, Tex. And how are you coming with my new enemies list? I want them all locked up. They are scum.”

“We will punish them brutally. They are terrorist sympathisers, and most of them voted against you. I hate those bastards.”

“Thank you, Sloat. You are a faithful servant. Come over here and kneel down. I want to reward you.”

That is the nature of high-risk politics. Veni, vidi, vici, especially among Republicans. It’s like the ancient Bedouin saying: “As the camel falls to its knees, more knives are drawn.”

Presidential politics is a vicious business, even for rich white men, and anybody who gets into it should be prepared to grapple with the meanest of the mean. The White House has never been seized by timid warriors. There are no rules, and the roadside is littered with wreckage. That is why they call it the passing lane. Just ask any candidate who ever ran against George Bush – Al Gore, Ann Richards, John McCain – all of them ambushed and vanquished by lies and dirty tricks. And all of them still whining about it.

That is why George W Bush is President of the United States, and Al Gore is not. Bush simply wanted it more, and he was willing to demolish anything that got in his way, including the US Supreme Court. It is not by accident that the Bush White House (read: Dick Cheney & Halliburton Inc) controls all three branches of our federal government today. They are powerful thugs who would far rather die than lose the election in November.

The Republican establishment is haunted by painful memories of what happened to Old Man Bush in 1992. He peaked too early, and he had no response to “It’s the economy, stupid.” Which has always been the case. Every GOP administration since 1952 has let the Military-Industrial Complex loot the Treasury and plunge the nation into debt on the excuse of a wartime economic emergency. Richard Nixon comes quickly to mind, along with Ronald Reagan and his ridiculous “trickle-down” theory of US economic policy. If the rich get richer, the theory goes, before long their pots will overflow and somehow “trickle down” to the poor, who would rather eat scraps off the Bush family plates than eat nothing at all. Republicans have never approved of democracy, and they never will. It goes back to pre-industrial America, when only white male property owners could vote.

Things haven’t changed much where George W Bush comes from. Houston is a cruel, crazy town on a filthy river in East Texas with no zoning laws and a culture of sex, money and violence. It’s a shabby, sprawling metropolis ruled by brazen women, crooked cops and super-rich pansexual cowboys who live by the code of the West – which can mean just about anything you need it to mean, in a pinch.

Houston is also the unnatural home of two out of the last three presidents of the United States of America, for good or ill. The other one was a handsome, sex-crazed boy from next-door Arkansas, which has no laws against any deviant practice not specifically forbidden in the New Testament, including anal incest and public cunnilingus with farm animals.

Back in 1948, during his first race for the US Senate, Lyndon Johnson was running about 10 points behind, with only nine days to go. He was desperate. And it was just before noon on a Monday, they say, when he called his equally depressed campaign manager and told him to call a press conference for just before lunch on a slow news day and accuse his high-riding opponent, a pig farmer, of having routine carnal knowledge of his sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children.

His campaign manager was shocked. “We can’t say that, Lyndon,” he supposedly said. “You know that it isn’t true.”

“Of course it’s not!” Johnson barked. “But let’s make the bastard deny it!”

Johnson – a Democrat, like Bill Clinton – won that election by fewer than 100 votes, and after that he was home free. He went on to rule Texas and the US Senate for 20 years and to be the most powerful vice president in the history of the United States. Until now.

Armageddon came early for George Bush this year, and he was not ready for it. His long-awaited showdowns with John Kerry turned into a series of embarrassments that broke his nerve and demoralised his closest campaign advisers. They knew he would never recover, no matter how many votes they could steal for him in Florida, where the presidential debates were closely watched and widely celebrated by millions of Kerry supporters who suddenly had reason to feel like winners.

Kerry came into October as a five-point underdog with almost no chance of winning three out of three rigged confrontations with a treacherous little freak like George Bush. But the debates are over now, and the victor was John Kerry every time. He steamrollered Bush and left him for roadkill.

Did you see Bush on TV, trying to debate? Jesus, he talked like a donkey with no brains at all. The tide turned early, in Coral Gables, when Bush went belly up less than halfway through his first bout with Kerry, who hammered poor George into jelly. It was pitiful… I almost felt sorry for him, until I heard someone call him “Mister President”, and then I felt ashamed.

Karl Rove, the President’s political wizard, felt even worse. There is angst in the heart of Texas today, and panic in the bowels of the White House. Rove has a nasty little problem, and its name is George Bush. The president failed miserably from the instant he got onstage with John Kerry. He looked weak and dumb. Kerry beat him like a gong in Coral Gables, then again in St Louis and Tempe. That is Rove’s problem. His candidate is a weak-minded frat boy who cracks under pressure in front of 60 million voters.

Bush signed his own death warrant in the opening round, when he finally had to speak without his teleprompter. It was a Cinderella story brought up to date in Florida that night – except this time, the false prince turned back into a frog.

Immediately after the first debate ended, I called Muhammad Ali at his home in Michigan, but whoever answered said the champ was laughing so hard that he couldn’t come to the phone. “The debate really cracked him up,” he chuckled. “The champ loves a good ass-whuppin’. He says Bush looked so scared to fight, he finally just quit and laid down.”

This year’s first presidential debate was such a disaster for George Bush that his handlers had to be crazy to let him get in the ring with John Kerry again. Yet Karl Rove let it happen, and we can only wonder why. But there is no doubt that the president has lost his nerve, and his career in the White House is finished. No mas.

Indeed. The numbers are weird today, and so is this dangerous election. The time has come to rumble, to inject a bit of fun into politics. That’s exactly what the debates did. John Kerry looked like a winner, and it energised his troops. Voting for Kerry is starting to look like serious fun for everyone except poor George, who now looks like a loser. That is fatal in a presidential election.

I look at elections with the cool and dispassionate gaze of a professional gambler, especially when I’m betting real money on the outcome. Contrary to most conventional wisdom, I see Kerry with five points as a recommended risk. Kerry will win this election, if it happens, by a bigger margin than Bush finally gouged out of Florida in 2000. That was about 46 per cent, plus five points for owning the US Supreme Court – which seemed to equal 51 per cent. Nobody really believed that, but George W Bush moved into the White House anyway.

It was the most brutal seizure of power since Hitler burned the Reichstag in 1933 and declared himself the new boss of Germany. Karl Rove is no stranger to Nazi strategy, if only because it worked for a while, and it was sure fun for Hitler. But not for long. He ran out of oil, the whole world hated him, and he liked to gobble pure crystal biphetamine and stay awake for eight days in a row with his maps and bombers and his dope-addled general staff.

They all loved the whiff. It is the perfect drug for war, as long as you are winning, and Hitler thought he was king of the hill forever. He had created a new master race, and every one of them worshipped him. They were fanatics. That was 66 years ago, and things are not much different today. We still love war.

George Bush certainly does. In four short years he has turned our country from a prosperous nation at peace into a desperately indebted nation at war. But so what? He is the President of the United States, and you’re not. Love it or leave it.

BULLETIN: KERRY WINS GONZO ENDORSEMENT; DR THOMPSON JOINS DEMOCRAT IN CALLING BUSH “THE SYPHILIS PRESIDENT”.

“Four more years of George Bush will be like four more years of syphilis,” the famed author said yesterday at a hastily called press conference near his home in Woody Creek, Colorado.

“Only a fool or a sucker would vote for a dangerous loser like Bush. He hates everything we stand for, and he knows we will vote against him in November.” Thompson, well known for the eerie accuracy of his political instincts, went on to denounce Ralph Nader as “a worthless Judas goat with no moral compass.”

“I endorsed John Kerry a long time ago,” he said, “and I will do everything in my power, short of roaming the streets with a meat hammer, to help him be the next president of the United States.”

Which is true. I said all those things, and I will say them again. Of course I will vote for John Kerry. I have known him for 30 years as a good man with a brave heart – which is more than even the President’s friends will tell you about George W Bush, who is also an old acquaintance from the white-knuckle days of yesteryear. He is hated all over the world, including large parts of Texas, and he is taking us all down with him. Bush is a natural-born loser with a filthy-rich daddy who pimped his son out to rich oil-mongers. He hates music, football and sex, and he is no fun at all.

I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, but I won’t make that mistake again. The joke is over for Nader. He was funny once, but now he belongs to the dead. Nader is a fool, as is anybody who votes for him in November – with the obvious exception of professional Republicans who have paid big money to turn him into a world-famous Judas goat. Nader is so desperate that he’s paying homeless people to gather signatures to get him on the ballot. In Pennsylvania, the petitions he submitted contained tens of thousands of phoney signatures, including Fred Flintstone, Mickey Mouse and John Kerry. A judge dumped Ralph from the ballot there, calling it “the most deceitful and fraudulent exercise ever perpetrated upon this court”.

But they will keep his name on the ballot in the long-suffering Hurricane State, which is ruled by the President’s younger brother, Jeb, who also wants to be the next president of the United States. In 2000, when they sent Jim Baker to Florida, I knew it was all over. In that election, 97,488 people voted for Nader in Florida, and Gore lost the state by 537 votes. You don’t have to be from Texas to understand the moral of that story. It’s like being out-coached in the Super Bowl. Only losers play fair, and all winners have blood on their hands.

Back in June, when John Kerry was beginning to feel like a winner, we had a quick rendezvous on a rain-soaked runway in Aspen, Colorado, where he was scheduled to meet a harem of wealthy campaign contributors. I told him that Bush’s vicious goons in the White House are perfectly capable of assassinating Nader and blaming it on him. His staff laughed, but the Secret Service men didn’t. Kerry suggested I might make a good running mate, and we reminisced about trying to end the Vietnam War in 1972.

That was the year I first met him, at a riot on that elegant little street in front of the White House. He was yelling into a bullhorn and I was trying to throw a dead rat over a black-spike fence and on to the President’s lawn. We were angry and righteous in those days, and there were millions of us. We kicked two chief executives out because they were stupid warmongers. We conquered Lyndon Johnson and we stomped on Richard Nixon – which wise people said was impossible, but so what? It was fun. We were warriors then, and our tribe was strong like a river. That river is still running. All we have to do is get out and vote, while it’s still legal, and we will wash those crooked warmongers out of the White House.

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:08:26 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

yeah, and it’s really a shame that Saddam gassed those poor folks with chemicals given to him by the Reagan administration.

On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 10:55 AM, Charliedog43@aol.com wrote:

No offense Julie, but the death toll of this war does not even compare to the hundreds of thousands (some say millions) of innocent Kurds and others this mad man gassed to death.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Dear Ron
Date: October 31, 2004 at 5:02:31 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thank you julie , ron
—– Original Message —–
From: Ms Iboga
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Dear Ron

Ron,
I think there were some posts earlier today about Ibo and benzos, and the common consensus seems to be that Ibo doesn’t relieve benzo withdrawal- something about acting on different receptors.
I have heard benzo withdrawal is way worse than opiate, and am so thankful I haven’t had to go through that. I have also heard some ‘messages from the underground’ about using GHB to combat both benzo and alcohol withdrawal, but these claims seem to be only partially substantiated. Search for an Italian study about GHB and alcohol withdrawal- check Entrez Med, or PubMed.
Quite honestly, most doctors don’t know shit about withdrawal, unless they are an expert in that area. Like you said, many of them are out to line their pocketbooks, and to evade prosecution. You will probably find more real information from someone who has already kicked benzos. There are a few good forums online, but I forget the addresses. I’ll look into it for you.
cheers, Julie

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From: “Preston Peet” <ptpeet@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] (OT) Sept. 11 “suppliment” withheld
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:59:13 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>, <drugwar@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi all,
(First of all, I understand this hasn’t anything to do with ibogaine or the war on some drugs either really, other than for the similarities in how the US government is stifling a report that shows the facts to be other than what they allege them to be, as is and has been done with so many reports contrary to the stated rationals for waging said WOSDU. But because one of these lists is mine, and the other is full of people I like, I’m passing this on to you all.)
I love this one. Remember the brouhaha over the “quick” release of the
Sept. 11 Commission “Report,” the one that was released to the public at the
“cheap” price of $10, the one I ran out to buy the first day it came out?
Well, it’s not the “complete” report afterall (oh gosh, I’m soooo surprised
too). Turns out official people “lied” or at least “didn’t quite tell the
truth,” or so the NYTimes is reporting when discussing the contents of the
“suppliment” to the Sept. 11 Commission “Report” that’s being withheld from
public release until after the “election.”
So, does this matter at all, that the people in charge of our protection
lied about what they did that day in Sept. 2001? Does it matter that more
factual updates of the report are being withheld from we the people? Will it
change anything at all, the “news” that we’ve been lied to yet again about
the very worst attack on civilians (at least, mostly white civilians as
opposed to native American civilians say) ever on our shores? Or is it just
conspiratorial thinking that leads me to think the very worst about those in
power (and seeking power too) in my country today?
Interestingly, here in the NYC area, we’re seeing commercials urging a
reopening of the investigation, accompanied by some very interesting and
disturbing photos of that weird hole left by the collision with the Pentagon
(as well as another pointing out the oddities of WTC7’s collapse). I’m not
coming down on the side of any theory about the attacks, but I do certainly
find that photo of the small, neat hole in the side of the Pentagon really
freakin weird.
Anyway, I thought I’d pass on these short snippets from the Times’
article about the Commission report suppliment being withheld from us, the
folk who actually paid for it (not to mention actually demanded it be done
in the first place, over the strenuous objections on the part of Bush/Cheney et al).
Peace and love, eventually,
Preston

—– Original Message —– From: “Evan Daniel Ravitz” <evan@vote.org>
To: <Voters@vote.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 1:54 PM
Subject: NY Times: Part of 9/11 Report unreleased; inquiry begun

Folks,

Yesterday the NY Times published the below. The crucial part is:
“the [9/11] commission quietly asked the inspectors general at the
Departments of Defense and Transportation to review what it had
determined were broadly inaccurate accounts provided by several
civil and military officials about efforts to track and chase the
hijacked aircraft on Sept. 11.”

For succinct documentation of how NORAD’s own press release about
9/11, released 9/18/01, was deleted from NORAD’s web site this
summer; and how it was self-incriminating, see

http://vote.org/911

In NYC last month, a Zogby poll showed 49.3% believe the government
knew 9/11 was coming and purposely did nothing.

If we don’t make sure a REAL investigation happens, then 9/11, like
the JFK, MLK and RFK assassinations, will forever make Americans
fear “their” government. (For decades, some 70% of Americans don’t
believe the govt story on JFK.)

So please pass this on to people who still believe the govt 9/11
story. Maybe you can get a newspaper person to write about it.

Evan

Part of 9/11 Report Remains Unreleased; An Inquiry Is Begun
By JIM DWYER

Published: October 30, 2004

One last chapter of the investigation by the Sept. 11 commission, a
supplement completed more than two months ago, has not yet been made
public by the Justice Department, and officials say it is unlikely
to be released before the presidential election, even though that
had been a major goal of deadlines set for the panel.

Drawing from this unpublished part of the inquiry, the commission
quietly asked the inspectors general at the Departments of Defense
and Transportation to review what it had determined were broadly
inaccurate accounts provided by several civil and military officials
about efforts to track and chase the hijacked aircraft on Sept. 11.

snip-

In testimony before the commission, officials had described a quick
response to the hijackings that narrowly missed intercepting some of
the planes, but the commission’s investigators later determined from
documentary evidence that none of the military planes were anywhere
near the four airliners.

In addition, officials at the Federal Aviation Administration
testified that they had notified the military within a few minutes
of each hijacking, but the investigation found that tape recordings
contradicted that assertion.

The commission, in its final report, said that the true picture “did
not reflect discredit” on individuals, but that unreliable testimony
about the events had made it harder to understand the problems.

Besides the pursuit of the hijacked planes, the supplement, a
monograph 60 to 70 pages long, revisits other subjects in the
commission’s final report of July – telephone calls made from the
hijacked airplanes, airline security and orders issued that morning
by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney – and provides
additional detail or context, former commission members said.

The monograph also finds shortcomings in the Transportation Security
Administration, the agency formed to buttress airline security after
the hijackings, said Bob Kerrey, the former Democratic senator from
Nebraska and a commission member.

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From: Patrick K. Kroupa <digital@phantom.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Get Up off Your Ass and VOTE (for SOMEBODY)
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:45:05 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I unnerstan’ that this is a highly charged up time with that election thing happening. But turning this place into the Kerry vs. Bush debate is probably not going to solve or change, much of anything. Which is, okay. Everyone can say whatever they want.

…

However… On election day, get up off your ass and VOTE. For somebody.

…

This is the first time in my entire life that I am actually registered to vote. I am neither a Democrat nor Republican, I’m a Libertarian.

My partner in MindVox, and one of my best friends since we were little kids — Bruce Fancher — is also a Libertarian. We basically share the same beliefs. Somewhere near the very top is the absolute conviction that a government that seeks to imprison me for the “crime” of altering my state of consciousness against its wishes, is pretty much a textbook definition of fascism.

By which I mean to say, that “War on Drugs” thing… It’s really just not working out. Having been at the receiving end of it for most of my life, it’s hard not to take it personally.

I am voting against Bush. Since the basic core of being a Libertarian is pragmatism, this means I will be voting for Kerry.

Bruce will be voting for Bush — again, for the second time. He’s a very smart, dysfunctional, human being, who doesn’t watch Fox News and has no interest in the abortion issue (as far as I know, we haven’t discussed it at length). <Shrug>

Whatever it is that you believe, and whomever you support: ranting about it will not affect change. VOTING — and kickbacks to Diebold — sure will!

So, GET UP OFF YOUR ASS AND VOTE.

On Oct 31, 2004, at 4:12 PM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Faith (or Ray?): ibogaine isn’t a “cure.” Cure implies magic wand, something outside of you, which will somehow make everything totally different, without any effort on your part.

This doesn’t exist.

Ibogaine absolutely WILL detox your son, and bring him back — or pretty damn close — to a pre-addiction modality. He will not be “detoxed” and still dopesick or fiending. He will be reset, his physical dependence will no longer exist. Period.

After this — depending on what your son’s other issues happen to be — he’s going to need to do SOMETHING. What exactly that something is, I can’t possibly tell you without knowing your son; but if he does ibogaine, goes back to whatever life he is living now, and changes nothing. The odds are extremely high that what he will be doing in the near future is more oxy.

Patrick

From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:43:10 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks. I am seriously considering not having a TV. I remember Life magazine coming to the small town in which I grew up in after a flood. They took pictures of the piled up rubbish and interviewed a family. They family was so embarrased at how they were depicted. It’s been about 40 years ago but I still remember this quote from one of the children that was printed: “It really gets bad when Pap runs out of “tobaccy”

From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:15:11 EST

I believe Ray Reynolds. God bless you. for helping these poor people who have
known nothing but fear and depression for years. Just because the Liberal
Press didn’t report it, does not mean it ain’t been done. I’d bet you 80-85% of
the average Iraqi people are glad were there. Most are still afraid to speak
their minds after being brainwashed all their lifes. If you have not been over
there personally, you don’t know. This man says he has. The 80-85% is my
opinion. But no one on this board knows unless you go take a poll. That’s just like
when(media) they come down to the part of the country I live in. They talk the
dumbest red-neck with the confederate flag on his truck, instead of black
head city councelman we have, black police chief we have, or the black judge,
professors or doctors. It’s controversy they want you to see. Not the truth.
Truth don’t sell papers or TV time. Controversy does. Simple. Even though I swear
to God I don’t know how far back in the woods they have to go get him ( Ronnie
Red) It’s very, very uncommon to see these idiots in the flesh. They are
almost like the dodo bird. Almost extinct. Will be soon, I hope.

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] up coming treatment ….some issues
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:35:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Jeff,

I hope your treatment goes very well. You might experience a bit of residual withdrawal, but it will be nothing compared to the turkey. Take vitamins, and if you can’t eat, buy a pack of those meal replacement drinks- they got me through the thick of it.

Good luck,
Julie

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: sub
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:34:19 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

thanks hannah, i think i’m screwed. been on bup im 1.2 mg per day..liquid amps. i’m trying to taper that and benzos. i’ll probably lose my career and everything else before it’s over. i’m in my 50’s now and drugs quit being fun when i was in my 20’s. addiction is a powerful thing. ron
—– Original Message —– From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: sub

Hi Ron,

So far I’ve never been off my Sub apart from when I was using so I can’t
answer that. I’ve been on it 9 months though so I’m not looking forward to
it. My Doctor etc here in the UK all say that Sub is not addictive and that
you should not suffer at all as long as you taper off it. However I’ve
heard plenty of tales that disagree. I guess I’ll have to wait and see.
How long have you been taking it? What’s your dosage? There’s an
opiate-detox forum with a bit all about Buprenorphine so you could go there
and read people’s posts for info. (There’s a Bup forum and an info one that
I think has some details too) But I’ve never got a solid answer out of it.
Look for a guy called ‘Bup4pain’ if he’s still about-he really knows what
he’s talking about.

http://64.226.201.78/Forum/default.asp

I’m no Doctor but surely you have to deal with one addiction at a time?
Benzos or Sub? I feel for you with the benzo WD.

Have you read up on Ibogaine? If not definately check out The ibogaine
Dossier for info. The others will know better-can you use Ibo to knock both
Sub and Benzos on the head? I’m hoping to do Ibogaine very very soon so
I’ll let you know how it works with the sub.

Love Hannah

—– Original Message —– From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Re: sub

any problem coming off sub?
—– Original Message —– From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol’ me

>I take 4mg when I feel I really need to. I had stabilised on 4mg back
> before. Today and yesterday I took 12mg. I expect to be back down to
4mg
> by the end of the week but I’ll see how it goes.
>
> I hear what you’re saying about my friend. Can’t we just both try
harder?
> I really could never leave him on th street-then he’d be straight back
> into
> it. I have got meaner with him and told him he CANNOT keep doing it at
my
> flat and must have respect for my efforts. I’m just as bad as he is
> though-before its been him that did well and ME who fucked things up > for
> HIM. Give us a couple of weeks an see. He needs to sort out a place
> anyway-he will just get more depressed if he doesn’t start working
towards
> a
> goal. I will be stronger. I’m sorry everyone-I know it looks simple > to
> you
> but I’d rather be a junkie for the rest of my life than be responsible
for
> hurting anyone else. And I really think throwing him out would really
> hurt
> him.
>
>
> —– Original Message —– > From: <HSLotsof@aol.com>
> To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Little ol’ me
>
>
> Sorry Hannah, but it is you or your friend. Your call.
>
> What dose of subutex are you taking?
>
> Howard
>
> In a message dated 10/29/04 1:04:25 PM, hannah.clay@ntlworld.com > writes:
>
>>Hi everyone,
>
>>I’m feeling sorry for myself so I thought I’d write. I’ve really >>messed
>>up.
>>I was a H addict for 4yrs doing a bit of evrything else too at times.
>>I
>>
>>tried to detoc lots of times. Then I was put on Subutex and was clean
>>for
>>
>>like a month (the longest I’;ve ever been clean) I keep trying though.
>> Then
>>
>>my old partner in crime got chucked out onto the streets so I said he
>>could
>>
>>stay with me. But we’re etrrible influences on each other-if one’s
being
>>
>>good then the other always seems to want to be bad. Anyway recenty we
>>got
>>
>>into Snowballs (H&Crack IV) which I’ve done lots before but never
> regularly.
>>
>>I love that high. I wish I could feel like that all the time! Now
> detoxing
>>
>>and just staying on my Subbies is even harder. They don’t make me feel
>>
>>better anymore. I can’t tell anyone cuz they’ll chuck me off my >>script.
>> I
>>
>>had got my life back a bit and now I’m losing what little I gained cuz
>>I’m
>>
>>always sick. Todays only Day 2 (again) with just Subbies and I feel so
>>
>>awful 🙁 I’ve mainly slept for the past 48hrs I can’t stop shaking >>and
>>
>>crying. I’m not being sick or needing the loo too much which is a
godsend
>>
>>(I do try to feel grateful for that) but I just feel so CRAP! My >>friend
>>is
>>
>>being good too though he keeps moaning and begging me to score (does he
>>
>>think I’m made of cash? I spent over £200 on H and rock on tues and >>wed
>>
>>easy) And my dealers won’t stop ringing me. My phones on silent now >>cuz
>>I
>>
>>don’t feel like talking to anyone. Sorry if my spellings bad but my
hands
>>
>>won’t stop shaking. Even if I scored I wouldn’t be able to get
myself-my
>>
>>hands are so sore and swollen from missing.
>
>>Ok That’s my moaning out the way. I guess I’ll just go back to bed. I
>>just
>>
>>wanna feel good. I never did Snowballs in company cuz I like to really
>>FEEL
>>
>>it. My n my friend meditate on it breathing deeply ooooh…… stop
>>
>>talking. I’ve been clean before though n life was boring.
>>
>>
>>
>>I’m not really expecting replies I just wanted to vent. Basically just
>>
>>feeling sorry for myself. I just feel like this will never end. I’ll
>>never
>>
>>feel good again without drugs of one sort or nother.
>>
>>
>>
>>I’ll stop now. I’m gonna make a hot sweet cup of tea. I’d have a
shower
>>
>>but I think i’d collapse. Now I think about it I haven’t eaten since
>>
>>Wednesday anyway n hardly drtunk anything. That’s probably why I feel
>>so
>>
>>weak! I’ll try eat some soup or summat easily digestable.
>
>>Thanks for listening.
>>
>>Hannah
>
>
>
>
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From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from T..
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:30:01 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

How come when all Kerry and his buddy war protesters lined up to throw their medals in the fire in front of the Capital ( I think that’s where it was) back in the early 70’s, he’s the only one who kept his medals and just threw his ribbons in the fire? There’s a clip of it on the news. He said he accidently left them at home, I think. If your going to do something to make a statement that strong about the Vietnam War, wouldn’t you go all the way or nothing. Wow, what a BOLD statement, John. If I was his buddies, some who probably wish they had their medals back, i’d be wanting his. Or a good ass kicking contest with him. I wouldn’t trust anybody who got his thing up and then wussed out on his friends, who served with him and who had each others lifes in their hands. Every minute. I’d make him take the lead. Don’t want him covering my back.

From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:15:39 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carla, that’s all propoganda. I don’t know the truth about this issue, so I’ll keep my mouth shut. But, I do have a tendency to believe the “Purple Heart” stories about Kerry are true. And, also to shoot a wounded, running, man is the back is something I would have a problem with, even in war.

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:08:30 -1000

Very Funny!

High Morals and Ethics?

Does that include using influence to avoid Vietnam, then turning around and attempting to smear someone WHO ACTUALLY SERVED?

Does that include cashing out from Harkin with a tidy profit DAYS BEFORE HARKIN WENT BELLY UP? (leaving employees and shareholders empty handed!)

Does that include the Bush family legacy of profiteering from oil and Munitions manufacture? (munitions used to de-stabilize countries who just so happen to have LOTS of oil under their soil)

Does that include having the notorious reputation of residing over the highest amount of state executions (150) while he was Gov of Texas? (more than any other Gov in the history of the US!)

Does that include deceiving a Nation into going to war? and shifting rhyme and reason each time their rational is exposed to be false? All the while thumbing his nose at our long-standing Allies?

Does that include turning a blind eye to the Bin Laden family (and other “sensitive” Saudi’s) being allowed to leave the country only hours after 9-11 when the rest of the country is under a no-fly order?

Does that include stomping on Afghanistan and quickly departing to get Saddams oil, leaving the afghan war lords largely in charge to grow their Poppies so they can put more heroin on the streets of Europe and the Eastern US than has been seen in years?

Does that include the fact that Bush and everyone in his administration are corporate crooks and lobbyists with only one goal: to fill their greedy little small minded pockets with the payola of their mega corporation sponsors? Who also are hell-bent on removing Democracy from the table of America?

Describe to me the “Morals and High Ethics” at Guantanamo and Abu Grahib? (or the legal counsel Bush sought to exonerate himself and cabinet members from torture accountability – before the detainees arrived???)

Does that include opening up the countries last remaining nature preserves to Lumber and Fossil Fuel exploitation?

Refusing to sign the Kyoto agreement?

If so, I suppose “Morals and High Ethics” has taken on a whole new meaning

I am pro-choice. and given that the worlds population is about to double in the next 10 years, birth control and abortion aren’t such a bad thing. Oh wait, of course the ultra right corpo’s don’t want abortions! that means less consumers, which means less profits! Less cattle to consume twinkies and FOX News. Less disillusioned youth who will eventually stick a needle in their arm. we can’t have that! MORE is better!

Consume!

Reproduce!

Obey!

_.dh

On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 04:53 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

I a can tell you why.
Because George Bush is strong and has high morals and ethics, and he won’t sink to the level to “talk purdy” and say whatever someone wants to hear to get a vote. You can tell a person’s level of moral development, and worth, by how they take up for those who can’t take up for themselves, and how they will do the right things for people even though those people are so ignorant they can’t see it. Anyone who will vote for partial-birth abortion is a terriorist. The safest place for a human on earth should be it’s Maother’s womb.
From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:30:09 -0800 (PST)

Carla,

I agree. We Canadians are avidly following the
election, because we also fear another four years with
that inbred, uncultured redneck. Personally, I can’t
imagine why any intelligent person would cast a vote
for that wanker(Bush). There will be street parties
in Toronto if Kerry takes the election.

George Bush is a LIAR, a MANIPULATOR, and a complete
and utter sham. He and Cheney need to stick to the
skin bars, and leave the decision making to a more
competent individual. Kerry may not be perfect, but
at least his main concern isn’t enriching his fat cat
prick friends.

Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Julie

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From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:15:11 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I believe Ray Reynolds. God bless you. for helping these poor people who have known nothing but fear and depression for years. Just because the Liberal Press didn’t report it, does not mean it ain’t been done. I’d bet you 80-85% of the average Iraqi people are glad were there. Most are still afraid to speak their minds after being brainwashed all their lifes. If you have not been over there personally, you don’t know. This man says he has. The 80-85% is my opinion. But no one on this board knows unless you go take a poll. That’s just like when(media) they come down to the part of the country I live in. They talk the dumbest red-neck with the confederate flag on his truck, instead of black head city councelman we have, black police chief we have, or the black judge, professors or doctors. It’s controversy they want you to see. Not the truth. Truth don’t sell papers or TV time. Controversy does. Simple. Even though I swear to God I don’t know how far back in the woods they have to go get him ( Ronnie Red) It’s very, very uncommon to see these idiots in the flesh. They are almost like the dodo bird. Almost extinct. Will be soon, I hope.

From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:12:28 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ron, I have never used drugs, or even smoked a cigarette for that matter. My son was addicted to Oxycontin and I’m one to find a cure, rather than a treatment. Thst’s why I’m interested in Iboga. But, I’m not hearing alot about addicts overcoming they’re addiction. So, is it taken for granted that all addicts are for Kerry? My son is not. I love everyone and would do my best to help anyone, but I’ve always had a strong sense of justice, and do have a problem with hearing President Bush treated so badly by those who he has taken so much heat to protect. But, If Kerry wins, I will not say a harsh word against him, because he would be my President, and any criticism is fuel to terriorists fire and empowers them to kill more of our troops.

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:40:45 -0600

faith: were you a junkie or addict? or are you just another republican who has infiltrated the opposition the way fbi agents did with what’s left of organized crime and the peace movement under the j. edgar hoover reign? rwd

—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas

Carla,

Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Julie

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] up coming treatment ….some issues
Date: October 31, 2004 at 4:08:04 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Congratulation! You must feel very lucky.
All the best,

Sara
Van: Jeffgd1@aol.com [mailto:Jeffgd1@aol.com]  Verzonden: zondag 31 oktober 2004 20:49 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: [Ibogaine] up coming treatment ….some issues

Hello List…
Well, here I am just a few days before I am supposed to be treated…mmm wish I had a better word….supposed to be dosed? supposed to … be given freedom from all these years of opiated living…..i suppose one of those or something else will have to do.
So I have been pretty quiet, kind of calm, as I ponder this upcoming experience. I am a combination of scared, worried, excited, nervous, confident, and so much more.

I am not sure exactly when I am dosing but it is in this upcoming week. I will let the list know as we have a regular “candle tradition” started here don’t you think!

Now some background so you all know who this is. I am 45 as of yesterday. I am married to an amazing woman (with no experience whatso ever in opiate use, abuse, or kicking, as well as any other powders) I lost my first wife to a heroin overdose back in 1993 we had a 7 year old son (who now 18 just started college!) and I raised him alone after my wife’s death. The experience of losing my woman, revealing our completely unknown drug use to her family as well as my own as she lay dying, well surreal doesn’t come close but is the only word I find to do justice to my feelings during that time.
I met my present wife while on tour seeing a band we both love back in 1999 marrying her in a spiritual ceremony with our guru Mata Amritandamayi in 2000 and again with a hippie rabbi to “legalize it” in 2001 She like to say she loves me so much she married me twice! That’s my Rachel I love her!!
I never thought I would be done with my methadone even when I had to tell Rachel about my history of drug use and my methadone medication.(about a week after our love at first site) But it was what she calls “The Bomb” that is the bomb I dropped in telling her about this storied past I own. A past she has a very hard time relating to at times it being a foreign world to her and her experience .(lucky girl)
I heard about Ibogaine many many years ago and ALWAYS knew it would be the way I would finally put this aspect of my life behind….I also knew that it would be a long time before I was ready to do that and that Ibogaine and I would find each other when the time was right…..all good things in all good time….
Now that we have found each other I am ready and Rachel is very nervous. as am I albeit in different ways and for different reasons.
I don’t think the list needs to hear about the specifics but the upcoming treatment has produced a definite amount of stress between us. She is a person who wants to have all things in order and set and I am a person who knows things will work out the way they are supposed to two very different outlooks and when applied to Ibogaine well it has been a hard few weeks. any one else had spousal or relatives problems leading up to and even post ibo??
Now back to a little background…After losing my wife I continued to use and was in a big habit very quickly. For good or ill money at that time was no object and I was doing a lot of dope and coke as well sometimes. Finally about two years after the death of Sue I went on a methadone program (something I swore i would never do again after two failed detoxes in the past) but I went in with an attitude of using Methadone as “my insulin” I was going to be on it forever I thought I went in thinking my brain was different than most peoples and that I needed this medicine like diabetics need their medicine. and it worked I got away from the shooting of dope and coke and got away from the everyday copping and doing things that I shouldn’t have been doing as far as risk taking involved with that lifestyle. I loved my methadone and was a model patient .. I ended up on a 1 time a week pick up schedule and being that my social life was a non issue as i was concentrating on raising my now 9 year old so it didn’t really interfere with anything.
As my boy got older and as time healed wounds of mine I began to socialize a bit and found a musical scene that I loved and through that a new group of amazing folks to hang with … and travel with now my 1 time a week schedule didn’t seem quite so convenient but when i needed to my counselor set me up with visits I have been to the Denver clinic, the Berkley clinic, the santa Rosa clinic, the Nashville clinic, and others in my travels i started to think maybe it would be easier if i didn’t have to use this medicine ….hmmmm
Then I started feeling the emotional dullness ….I realized I never ever ever remember my dreams (I assume i have some) and I used to dream so powerfully and loved it. i feel that the methadone is an emotional crippler. I am not feeling my life. I am not expressing my life as i should. I also have a huge energy problem I cant seem to find the motivation to do the things I need to do and even the things I want to do. I cant seem to get the motivation to do things that would make my life easier i self sabotage all the time not paying bills when the money is there putting off doing paperwork until it is a whole new bigger mess. Pay a ticket before a penalty is added HA! never! not this fucked up methadone freak.
I attribute a lot of this …what I call an Inertia problem as in an object (me) at rest stays at rest until acted upon by another) to my methadone I mean how can being in an opiated state for 9 years NOT screw with your motivation and energy levels????
So somehow I stumble onto this list and Howard and Patrick and watch as it goes from a list of a few people who have done Ibo and a whole lot who are thinking and reading about it to a list of people who are DOING Ibo and/or scheduling a treatment…it has been a wondrous thing to watch.
We have so many truly knowledgeable folks on this list so i figured I would put out a few questions I have to the list…
Aftercare- such an important part of Ibogaine therapy this we know. I feel that as a person who hasn’t been in an “active” heroin using state (not going to cop everyday et al) that being I live in a stable environment and wouldn’t even know where to get a bog of dope if i wanted to-that i am not in the kind of ‘danger ‘ that someone whop is living in a dope hood would be or someone who has just a week or so before (dosing with ibogaine) was copping dope everyday would be. BUT I still know that being opiate free for the first time in so many years can still be a dangerous place for me. So i want ti have in place a consoler preferably a psychiatrist (that is who my health benefits will cover) for my post Ibo help. I have seen many names thrown out but one more time if any or all of you can one more time send out the names of those here in the NYC area for aftercare that would be understanding of the unique space that those post Ibogaine are in.
Also an MD I think that I may find that these now 45 year old bones have been happily hiding behind the methadone. I have very bad knees and work in construction for over 20 years now and any one in this business knows that 20 years on the job takes a toll on you so…I may need to address some physical issues as well. Again I want to go to a Dr. that I can be 100% honest with about Ibogaine and any other doper related issues that may arise.
I tend to keep secrets like so manyof us addicts and haven’t been to a DR psych or dentist that I could be hones within many many years. So any names out there among you in the know will be most appreciated.
Nutrition and vitamin natropathic ….Another avenue to explore and another request for a name or two of those in the ibogaine loop so to speak.
I will let you all know when I am going to be dosing so you will be hearing from me again before that time. I thankyou all for being here
Freak Freely!
Jeff G

From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 3:55:47 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

No offense Julie, but the death toll of this war does not even compare to the hundreds of thousands (some say millions) of innocent Kurds and others this mad man gassed to death. Not counting Kuwait, either. Not counting starving his own people while he had a palace on every block. And look who was poised to take over. His mad dog animal sons, who raped women and killed their husbands for fun. And I do believe there are a lot more people than you think that are glad we are there. I think i’d choose free elections and democracy anyday. Get rid of the pockets of insurgents, which will happen, and it will go smoother. We’re better off, they are better off, all of the region is better off. I hope Osama is right behind him rotting in hell. I’ll admit he’s been lucky so far. But his luck will run out, too.

From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: October 31, 2004 at 3:39:42 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Don’t forget the Billy Gibbons and the boys. “You know what i’m talking about.”

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: October 31, 2004 at 3:08:30 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Very Funny!

High Morals and Ethics?

Does that include using influence to avoid Vietnam, then turning around and attempting to smear someone WHO ACTUALLY SERVED?

Does that include cashing out from Harkin with a tidy profit DAYS BEFORE HARKIN WENT BELLY UP? (leaving employees and shareholders empty handed!)

Does that include the Bush family legacy of profiteering from oil and Munitions manufacture? (munitions used to de-stabilize countries who just so happen to have LOTS of oil under their soil)

Does that include having the notorious reputation of residing over the highest amount of state executions (150) while he was Gov of Texas? (more than any other Gov in the history of the US!)

Does that include deceiving a Nation into going to war? and shifting rhyme and reason each time their rational is exposed to be false? All the while thumbing his nose at our long-standing Allies?

Does that include opening up the countries last remaining nature preserves to Lumber and Fossil Fuel exploitation?

Refusing to sign the Kyoto agreement?

If so, I suppose “Morals and High Ethics” has taken on a whole new meaning

Consume!

Reproduce!

Obey!

_.dh

On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 04:53 AM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Carla,

Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Julie

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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Hanna
Date: October 31, 2004 at 3:04:55 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Julie,

I live in Lincoln which is in the East Midlands, UK. A little, slightly backward town 😉 I really can’t wait, I can’t get hold of ANY of my drugs up there so I have to be good-there’s no temptation. (We are taking some nice weed with us though) Lots of cuddly time with my boyf too which we both need. 🙂 It is proper romantic poet countryside, especially this time of year with all the leaves red and gold. When your around Dove Cottage where Wordsworth lived you can shut your eyes and imagine you’re back in time! You can really see what inspired him!

Love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Ms Iboga
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Hanna

Dear Hannah,

I am so jealous! You know, an out of country trip during the post-acute phase is always a major blessing, and I’m sure you’ll find it very rewarding. Take a lot of sweaters, cuz England can get pretty cold due to the humidity.

I’ve always wanted to hike the Lake District, to take the path of so many Romantic poets like Coleridge, Byron, and Woodsworth.

You are so lucky,
Julie

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From: Jeffgd1@aol.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] up coming treatment ….some issues
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:49:07 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I am not sure exactly when I am dosing but it is in this upcoming week. I will let the list know as we have a regular “candle tradition” started here don’t you think!

From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:52:26 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I don’t think there is anyone here that agrees with you…
—– Original Message —–
From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?

Subject: why wasn’t this in the newspapers?

As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks
of my stay in Iraq, I wanted to say thanks to
all of you who did not believe the media.
They have done a very poor job of covering
everything that has happened. I am sorry that
I have not been able to visit all of you
during my two week leave back home.
And just so you can rest at night knowing
something is happening in Iraq that is noteworthy,
I thought I would pass this on to you.
This is the list of things that has happened
in Iraq recently:
(Please share it with your friends and compare
it to the version that your paper is producing.)

* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations

* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.

* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of
the weapons stored there so education can occur.

* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be
off-loaded from ships faster.

* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export
of oil in August.

* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water
for the first time ever in Iraq.

* The country now receives 2 times the electrical
power it did before the war.

* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed,
compared to 35% before the war.

* Elections are taking place in every major city,
and city councils are in place.

* Sewer and water lines are installed in every
major city.

* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.

* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are
securing the country.

* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the
streets side by side with US soldiers.

* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the
first time ever.

* Students are taught field sanitation and
hand washing techniques to prevent the spread
of germs.

* An interim constitution has been signed.

* Girls are allowed to attend school.

* Textbooks that don’t mention Saddam are in
the schools for the first time in 30 years.

Don’t believe for one second that these people
do not want us there. I have met many, many
people from Iraq that want us there, and in
a bad way. They say they will never see the
freedoms we talk about but they hope their
children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq
and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me
on these facts. If you are like me and very
disgusted with how this period of rebuilding
has been portrayed, email this to a friend and
let them know there are good things happening.

Ray Reynolds,
SFC Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist
dictator from Texas
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:00:31 -0800 (PST)

Ya know,

It never ceases to amaze me how the right becomes
morally indignant over abortion and stem cell issues,
yet remains nonplussed, almost completely unfazed, by
the death count of this bullshit war! What about the
tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians who lost their
lives? Out of sight, out of mind, right?

It seems very hypocritical to me to condemn one form
of murder yet condone another, when in fact they are
somewhat similar.

Anyone who would vote for a man who orchestrated a
whole war in order to secure profits and oil for
himself and the old boys club, is an idiot, in my
humble opinion.

Julie

— Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

I a can tell you why.
Because George Bush is strong and has high morals
and ethics, and he won’t
sink to the level to “talk purdy” and say whatever
someone wants to hear to
get a vote. You can tell a person’s level of moral
development, and worth,
by how they take up for those who can’t take up for
themselves, and how they
will do the right things for people even though
those people are so ignorant
they can’t see it. Anyone who will vote for
partial-birth abortion is a
terriorist. The safest place for a human on earth
should be it’s Maother’s
womb.
From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the
fascist capitalist dictator
from Texas
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:30:09 -0800 (PST)

Carla,

I agree. We Canadians are avidly following the
election, because we also fear another four years
with
that inbred, uncultured redneck. Personally, I
can’t
imagine why any intelligent person would cast a
vote
for that wanker(Bush). There will be street
parties
in Toronto if Kerry takes the election.

George Bush is a LIAR, a MANIPULATOR, and a
complete
and utter sham. He and Cheney need to stick to the
skin bars, and leave the decision making to a more
competent individual. Kerry may not be perfect,
but
at least his main concern isn’t enriching his fat
cat
prick friends.

Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Julie

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From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:40:45 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carla,

Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Julie

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From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:30:32 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

nah, just the politicians.

I mean, Like Texas gave us Ms Joplin.

On Saturday, October 30, 2004, at 07:47 PM, Charliedog43@aol.com wrote:

Got something against Texas?

From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Hanna
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:31:10 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks for all this info-I’m really glad I’m on this list. My Doctor GUARANTEED me that I would not get withdrawals from Subutex (I wish I’d got it in writing!) All the staff at my clinic say that its nit addictive. They put you on maintenance every time and then they only have to think about the taper ina year or so’s time! They get really arsey if you start questioning their methods, however subtley. Things change slowly in this litlle town.
Thanks again,
Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Hanna

Suboxone and alike are absolutely very addictive. 0.3 of Bup injected is equal to 8 mgs of morphine. I have seen many get addicted to Bup and they are not happy. As it is a mixed agonist / antagonist, it is on and off the receptor so you are okay and then not and then okay and then not again. I feel it is a poor maintenance drug and is addicting.
Be off of Bup/ Subox for at least 14 days prior to IBO. It has weird metabolites that stick around that long and can effect how IBO and noribo bind to the opiate receptors.

Switch over to short acting opiates 2 weeks prior to Ibo if you are on Bup.

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Hanna
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:21:44 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Hannah,

I’ve always wanted to hike the Lake District, to take the path of so many Romantic poets like Coleridge, Byron, and Woodsworth.

You are so lucky,
Julie

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From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Dear Ron
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:18:37 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

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From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:25:05 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’ll be burning a candle over here for you anyway-remember that! 🙂

Lots of love Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: Jasen Chamoun
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen

Hello Hannah,
Thankyou,these supportive emails make a big difference to me.
Yes you are right,I will be IN Europe,for some reason I keep thinking
that I will be in the UK.

I am going to try to stay away for 8 weeks.
I am very thankfull for all of this,and I give thanks
in advance for my freedom.
With Smiles Jasen.
From: Hannah Clay
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Jasen

Hey Jasen,

I just wanted to tell you that I’m really excited for you and can’t wait to hear how it goes! You wrote an amazing emial to me once that I still keep. Just remember that we’ll all be thinking of you and sending lots of positive vibes your way.

Oh and isn’t the Netherlands part of Europe?

Lota of love Hannah

From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Second Treatment Complete Success!!!
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:23:46 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I’m on a effexor-is that why I can’t stop shaking and can’t keep my hands still? I feel like I’m on speed or something! Its different to gouching though…
—– Original Message —–
From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Second Treatment Complete Success!!!

Welbrutrin is pure norepinephrine increaser and will make anxiety, insomnia and withdrawal, worse. Bad idea always. Effexoer and Cymbalta are also no no’s (sic)

From: “Hannah Clay” <hannah.clay@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Hanna
Date: October 31, 2004 at 2:10:26 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Thanks Randy,
I just felt silly cuz after a good night’s sleep things didn’t seem so bad. Both our guests have agreed to spend only one week of every two at mine so that’ll be much better. I’m also on Day 4 and my cravings have eased off slightly (touch wood) and I feel a bit better. I took my dog for a long walk today to get outdoors and its really starting to feel wintery-cold and clear. I love it like this. And in a couple of weeks I’ll be in the Lake District in the middle of nowhere in a climbing hut-basic but lots of log fires (some of my family will be there but I hope it’ll go ok) I can’t wait. Standing in woodland listening to the rain drip from the branches around you and not being able to hear anything but distant sheep bleeting….and then coming in from the cold to squeeze round a fire and eat, drink and be merry….

As you can see I’m feeling alot more chirpy (my boyf’s paying, not me!). I couldn’t believe how kind you all were to me and I’m very grateful. People on this list are cool. I guess that goes to show that there ARE sound people out there-they won’t either dismiss me for being a junkie or rip me off! I’m gonna have to start getting out more!

Love to you all. Happy Samhain!
Hannah
—– Original Message —–
From: BiscuitBoy714@aol.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Re: Hanna

Hanna, I don’t think anyone is looking down at you. I personally just want to help. I really care about most of the people who show up here on the list. People I didn’t even know by sight helped me immensely in my struggles. I’m just trying to pass it on. It’s an AA thing. I’m a raging alcoholic too. I’ve let love completely screw me numerous times. Probably will again but, I’ll walk before I use next time. Or she will. Whoever that may be. Randy

From: “Ron Davis” <rwd3@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] was this a bad joke???
Date: October 31, 2004 at 1:44:00 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

bush bites, but this forum should be non political. i live in the florida panhandle and have watched every politician elected as a democrat convert to republican once theygot the whitehouse and congress. i would opine that most voters make their decisons on sound bites and political ads. listen and read the tripe and you’ll see each candidate doing the same thing in their campaigns. think any of the candidates would embrace the members of this forum? a bunch of ex or recovered junkies? think any of them would endorse ibo or the legalization of any class 1 drug? methadones’s cool b/c the pharmacutical industry is behind it. alcohol is ok b/c it’s a “legitimate” part of our culture and people make billions from its sales. i’m just a rusty old public defender who has been practicing for 20 years and 99% of my caseload is drug and alcohol related in some fashion which is further exacerbated by the unbridled populaton growth which no elected offical or judge dare comment on, except for the few that are federal judges who have lifetime appointments. even those are reluctant if they have aspirations for a higher appointment. to the unaddicted or well heeled alkie, most on this forum would be an unwelcommed dinner guest. BUSH IS KILLING US AND KERRY WILL DO THE SAME, BOTH LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. rwd, an over worked schmuck who has watched this culture turn its back on helping helping people and now just wants to punish. hey, what happened to that huge fed surplus that gave us tiny refunds and large corporations millions? i am
54, fighting for my life and worrying if i’ll 1) live to receive social security and 2) if there will be any left if i make it. i was a junkie who started drinking at 12 , shooting dope at 16 and then somehow pulled out. later i got tripped when a doc prescribedbenzos and now i’m really cooked. ever read the ama detox protocal for comming off benzos? every m.d i know is consumed by the fear of being sued yet all make thousands more a year than the rest of the poulation, most are afraid to try anything new b/c of the potential lawsuit or possible prosecution for violating our barbaric drug laws. i have been on both sides of the barbedwire( which i disclosed when applying for lawschool andlater admission to the bar) so i have some basis to render an informed opinion. druggies are the weak link in the food chain and noone gives a rat’s behind about them as to really finding a cure. having ranted for so long, can anyone on this forum tell me if IBO works on benzo w/d’s? this stuff is worse than any withdrawal i have experienced . i w/d from junk, methadone and oxys and want to be totally chemically free. this crap, legal or prescribed hancuffs an addict,and folks if you’ve read this far thanks, which limits my place in the world. let us all hope the right , rich and spoiled candidate wins.
—– Original Message —– From: “Carla Barnes” <carlambarnes@yahoo.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 2:49 AM
Subject: [Ibogaine] was this a bad joke???

This is one of the most disgusting small minded things
i’ve ever read on this list and that is saying a lot.
I didn’t know anybody except rich companies voted for
bush but I am proven wrong.

I dont know what country you live in but this isn’t
the united states of fundemntalist christianity. There
is separation of church and state, there’s some dumb
psychopath who belongs in the loonie bin in the white
house who makes people on mindvox seem normal.
declaring wars, talking about god to justify it. I’m
not even going there.

If you don’t support the right of women to control
their own bodies or have abortions then I suggest you
don’t get one. Nobody elected you god or judge over
everyone else.

Why are you even on the ibogaine list? are you on
heroin or someone in your family? Does Bush and
fundamentalis christianity approve of drug addicts now
or did I miss something? Won’t the junkies be in the
same line to the gas ovens with the homosexuals,
blacks, women who have had abortions???

Carla B

— Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

Our creator, and the decent people in the US are
getting very fed up of the
attacks against the decent. The weakest, most
despicible beings there are
are those who feel so safe attacking the good,
decent people who will stand
for the rights of the people who are too tiny to
vote, those that believe
that every human freedom of choice to live or die,
and has the moxie to
fight against terriorism, when it’s so unpopular.
No, George Bush speech
comes from the heart, and he gets emotional. John
Kerry really doesn’t
care, sounds like it’s memorized. You had to hear
him say that he would use
OUR tax money to give to some female “being” to
murder another human. I
would rather not work, than to let any of my money
go for this terriorist
act, tha John Kerry supports.

>From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
>Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
>Subject: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
>Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:22:53 -1000
>
>He’s been America’s most unorthodox political
commentator for more than 30
>years. But for Dr Hunter S Thompson the Bush
presidency is evil beyond
>belief – and judgement is nigh
>
>
>28 October 2004
>
>
>The genetically vicious nature of presidential
campaigns in America is too
>obvious to argue with, but some people call it fun,
and I am one of them.
>Election day – especially when it’s a presidential
election – is always a
>wild and terrifying time for politics junkies, and
I am one of those, too.
>We look forward to major election days like sex
addicts look forward to
>orgies. We are slaves to them.
>
>Which is not a bad thing, all in all, for the
winners. They are not the
>ones who bitch and whine about slavery when the
votes are finally counted
>and the losers are forced to get down on their
knees. No. The slaves who
>emerge victorious from these drastic public
decisions go crazy with joy and
>plunge each other into deep tubs of chilled Cristal
champagne with naked
>strangers who want to be close to a winner.
>
>That is how it works in the victory business. You
see it every time. The
>weak suck up to the strong, for fear of losing
their jobs and money and all
>the fickle power they wielded only 24 hours ago. It
is like suddenly losing
>your wife and your home in a vagrant poker game,
then having to go on the
>road with whoremongers and beg for your dinner in
public. Nobody wants to
>hire a loser. Right? They stink of doom and defeat.
>
>”What is that horrible smell in the office, Tex?
It’s making me sick.”
>
>”That is the smell of a loser, senator. He came in
to apply for a job, but
>we tossed him out immediately. Sgt Sloat took him
down to the parking lot
>and taught him a lesson he will never forget.”
>
>”Good work, Tex. And how are you coming with my new
enemies list? I want
>them all locked up. They are scum.”
>
>”We will punish them brutally. They are terrorist
sympathisers, and most of
>them voted against you. I hate those bastards.”
>
>”Thank you, Sloat. You are a faithful servant. Come
over here and kneel
>down. I want to reward you.”
>
>That is the nature of high-risk politics. Veni,
vidi, vici, especially
>among Republicans. It’s like the ancient Bedouin
saying: “As the camel
>falls to its knees, more knives are drawn.”
>
>Presidential politics is a vicious business, even
for rich white men, and
>anybody who gets into it should be prepared to
grapple with the meanest of
>the mean. The White House has never been seized by
timid warriors. There
>are no rules, and the roadside is littered with
wreckage. That is why they
>call it the passing lane. Just ask any candidate
who ever ran against
>George Bush – Al Gore, Ann Richards, John McCain –
all of them ambushed and
>vanquished by lies and dirty tricks. And all of
them still whining about
>it.
>
>That is why George W Bush is President of the
United States, and Al Gore is
>not. Bush simply wanted it more, and he was willing
to demolish anything
>that got in his way, including the US Supreme
Court. It is not by accident
>that the Bush White House (read: Dick Cheney &
Halliburton Inc) controls
>all three branches of our federal government today.
They are powerful thugs
>who would far rather die than lose the election in
November.
>
>The Republican establishment is haunted by painful
memories of what
>happened to Old Man Bush in 1992. He peaked too
early, and he had no
>response to “It’s the economy, stupid.” Which has
always been the case.
>Every GOP administration since 1952 has let the
Military-Industrial Complex
>loot the Treasury and plunge the nation into debt
on the excuse of a
>wartime economic emergency. Richard Nixon comes
quickly to mind, along with
>Ronald Reagan and his ridiculous “trickle-down”
theory of US economic
>policy. If the rich get richer, the theory goes,
before long their pots
>will overflow and somehow “trickle down” to the
poor, who would rather eat
>scraps off the Bush family plates than eat nothing
at all. Republicans have
>never approved of democracy, and they never will.
It goes back to
>pre-industrial America, when only white male
property owners could vote.
>
>Things haven’t changed much where George W Bush
comes from. Houston is a
>cruel, crazy town on a filthy river in East Texas
with no zoning laws and a
>culture of sex, money and violence. It’s a shabby,
sprawling metropolis
>ruled by brazen women, crooked cops and super-rich
pansexual cowboys who
>live by the code of the West – which can mean just
about anything you need
>it to mean, in a pinch.
>
>Houston is also the unnatural home of two out of
the last three presidents
>of the United States of America, for good or ill.
The other one was a
>handsome, sex-crazed boy from next-door Arkansas,
which has no laws against
>any deviant practice not specifically forbidden in
the New Testament,
>including anal incest and public cunnilingus with
farm animals.
>
>Back in 1948, during his first race for the US
Senate, Lyndon Johnson was
>running about 10 points behind, with only nine days
to go. He was
>desperate. And it was just before noon on a Monday,
they say, when he
>called his equally depressed campaign manager and
told him to call a press
>conference for just before lunch on a slow news day
and accuse his
>high-riding opponent, a pig farmer, of having
routine carnal knowledge of
>his sows, despite the pleas of his wife and
children.
>
>His campaign manager was shocked. “We can’t say
that, Lyndon,” he
>supposedly said. “You know that it isn’t true.”
>
>”Of course it’s not!” Johnson barked. “But let’s
make the bastard deny it!”
>
>Johnson – a Democrat, like Bill Clinton – won that
election by fewer than
>100 votes, and after that he was home free. He went
on to rule Texas and
>the US Senate for 20 years and to be the most
powerful vice president in
>the history of the United States. Until now.
>
>Armageddon came early for George Bush this year,
and he was not ready for
>it. His long-awaited showdowns with John Kerry
turned into a series of
>embarrassments that broke his nerve and demoralised
his closest campaign
>advisers. They knew he would never recover, no
matter how many votes they
>could steal for him in Florida, where the
presidential debates were closely
>watched and widely celebrated by millions of Kerry
supporters who suddenly
>had reason to feel like winners.
>
>Kerry came into October as a five-point underdog
with almost no chance of
>winning three out of three rigged confrontations
with a treacherous little
>freak like George Bush. But the debates are over
now, and the victor was
>John Kerry every time. He steamrollered Bush and
left him for roadkill.
>
>Did you see Bush on TV, trying to debate? Jesus, he
talked like a donkey
>with no brains at all. The tide turned early, in
Coral Gables, when Bush
>went belly up less than halfway through his first
bout with Kerry, who
>hammered poor George into jelly. It was pitiful…
I almost felt sorry for
>him, until I heard someone call him “Mister
President”, and then I felt
>ashamed.
>
>Karl Rove, the President’s political wizard, felt
even worse. There is
>angst in the heart of Texas today, and panic in the
bowels of the White
>House. Rove has a nasty little problem, and its
name is George Bush. The
>president failed miserably from the instant he got
onstage with John Kerry.
>He looked weak and dumb. Kerry beat him like a gong
in Coral Gables, then
>again in St Louis and Tempe. That is Rove’s
problem. His candidate is a
>weak-minded frat boy who cracks under pressure in
front of 60 million
>voters.
>
>Bush signed his own death warrant in the opening
round, when he finally had
>to speak without his teleprompter. It was a
Cinderella story brought up to
>date in Florida that night – except this time, the
false prince turned back
>into a frog.
>
>Immediately after the first debate ended, I called
Muhammad Ali at his home
>in Michigan, but whoever answered said the champ
was laughing so hard that
>he couldn’t come to the phone. “The debate really
cracked him up,” he
>chuckled. “The champ loves a good ass-whuppin’. He
says Bush looked so
>scared to fight, he finally just quit and laid
down.”
>
>This year’s first presidential debate was such a
disaster for George Bush
>that his handlers had to be crazy to let him get in
the ring with John
>Kerry again. Yet Karl Rove let it happen, and we
can only wonder why. But
>there is no doubt that the president has lost his
nerve, and his career in
>the White House is finished. No mas.
>
>Indeed. The numbers are weird today, and so is this
dangerous election. The
>time has come to rumble, to inject a bit of fun
into politics. That’s
>exactly what the debates did. John Kerry looked
like a winner, and it
>energised his troops. Voting for Kerry is starting
to look like serious fun
>for everyone except poor George, who now looks like
a loser. That is fatal
>in a presidential election.
>
>I look at elections with the cool and dispassionate
gaze of a professional
>gambler, especially when I’m betting real money on
the outcome. Contrary to
>most conventional wisdom, I see Kerry with five
points as a recommended
>risk. Kerry will win this election, if it happens,
by a bigger margin than
>Bush finally gouged out of Florida in 2000. That
was about 46 per cent,
>plus five points for owning the US Supreme Court –
which seemed to equal 51
>per cent. Nobody really believed that, but George W
Bush moved into the
>White House anyway.
>
>It was the most brutal seizure of power since
Hitler burned the Reichstag
>in 1933 and declared himself the new boss of
Germany. Karl Rove is no
>stranger to Nazi strategy, if only because it
worked for a while, and it
>was sure fun for Hitler. But not for long. He ran
out of oil, the whole
>world hated him, and he liked to gobble pure
crystal biphetamine and stay
>awake for eight days in a row with his maps and
bombers and his dope-addled
>general staff.
>
>They all loved the whiff. It is the perfect drug
for war, as long as you
>are winning, and Hitler thought he was king of the
hill forever. He had
>created a new master race, and every one of them
worshipped him. They were
>fanatics. That was 66 years ago, and things are not
much different today.
>We still love war.
>
>George Bush certainly does. In four short years he
has turned our country
>from a prosperous nation at peace into a
desperately indebted nation at
>war. But so what? He is the President of the United
States, and you’re not.
>Love it or leave it.
>
>BULLETIN: KERRY WINS GONZO ENDORSEMENT; DR THOMPSON
JOINS DEMOCRAT IN
>CALLING BUSH “THE SYPHILIS PRESIDENT”.
>
>”Four more years of George Bush will be like four
more years of syphilis,”
>the famed author said yesterday at a hastily called
press conference near
>his home in Woody Creek, Colorado.
>
>”Only a fool or a sucker would vote for a dangerous
loser like Bush. He
>hates everything we stand for, and he knows we will
vote against him in
>November.” Thompson, well known for the eerie
accuracy of his political
>instincts, went on to denounce Ralph Nader as “a
worthless Judas goat with
>no moral compass.”
>
>”I endorsed John Kerry a long time ago,” he said,
“and I will do everything
>in my power, short of roaming the streets with a
meat hammer, to help him
>be the next president of the United States.”
>
>Which is true. I said all those things, and I will
say them again. Of
>course I will vote for John Kerry. I have known him
for 30 years as a good
>man with a brave heart – which is more than even
the President’s friends
>will tell you about George W Bush, who is also an
old acquaintance from the
>white-knuckle days of yesteryear. He is hated all
over the world, including
>large parts of Texas, and he is taking us all down
with him. Bush is a
>natural-born loser with a filthy-rich daddy who
pimped his son out to rich
>oil-mongers. He hates music, football and sex, and
he is no fun at all.
>
>I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, but I won’t make
that mistake again. The
>joke is over for Nader. He was funny once, but now
he belongs to the dead.
>Nader is a fool, as is anybody who votes for him in
November – with the
>obvious exception of professional Republicans who
have paid big money to
>turn him into a world-famous Judas goat. Nader is
so desperate that he’s
>paying homeless people to gather signatures to get
him on the ballot. In
>Pennsylvania, the petitions he submitted contained
tens of thousands of
>phoney signatures, including Fred Flintstone,
Mickey Mouse and John Kerry.
>A judge dumped Ralph from the ballot there, calling
it “the most deceitful
>and fraudulent exercise ever perpetrated upon this
court”.
>
>But they will keep his name on the ballot in the
long-suffering Hurricane
>State, which is ruled by the President’s younger
brother, Jeb, who also
>wants to be the next president of the United
States. In 2000, when they
>sent Jim Baker to Florida, I knew it was all over.
In that election, 97,488
>people voted for Nader in Florida, and Gore lost
the state by 537 votes.
>You don’t have to be from Texas to understand the
moral of that story. It’s
>like being out-coached in the Super Bowl. Only
losers play fair, and all
>winners have blood on their hands.
>
>Back in June, when John Kerry was beginning to feel
like a winner, we had a
>quick rendezvous on a rain-soaked runway in Aspen,
Colorado, where he was
>scheduled to meet a harem of wealthy campaign
contributors. I told him that
>Bush’s vicious goons in the White House are
perfectly capable of
>assassinating Nader and blaming it on him. His
staff laughed, but the
>Secret Service men didn’t. Kerry suggested I might
make a good running
>mate, and we reminisced about trying to end the
Vietnam War in 1972.
>
>That was the year I first met him, at a riot on
that elegant little street
>in front of the White House. He was yelling into a
bullhorn and I was
>trying to throw a dead rat over a black-spike fence
and on to the
>President’s lawn. We were angry and righteous in
those days, and there were
>millions of us. We kicked two chief executives out
because they were stupid
>warmongers. We conquered Lyndon Johnson and we
stomped on Richard Nixon –
>which wise people said was impossible, but so what?
It was fun. We were
>warriors then, and our tribe was strong like a
river. That river is still
>running. All we have to do is get out and vote,
while it’s still legal, and
>we will wash those crooked warmongers out of the
White House.
>
>

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 1:40:11 PM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ok. But in India 2,000,000 women get raped buy police officers each year when they come to ask for help.
after getting the dowry many are killed by the own new husband.
Many women sleep on a small cloth on the streets, breast feed on the street, beg for food and have no health care or education.
They are sold to prostitution houses. And get bitten by their owner.
in Ethiopia woman die after being circumcised with rusty razor blades, people are barbaric towards women all over the world,
They always have been, even in the Netherlands. it all come down to sex, abuse, and men who like to think of themselves as superior to women.

Van: Charliedog43@aol.com [mailto:Charliedog43@aol.com]  Verzonden: zondag 31 oktober 2004 19:10 Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?

Yes sir, what opportunities for women abound in IRAQ.
After the 1991 Gulf War and economic embargos were applied, living conditions for women in Iraq began to deteriorate. The declining economy caused many women to lose their jobs and abandon their education. Girls and women today are now facing a major learning gap and there has been a sharp decline in adult female literacy. Many women in Iraq now focus all their efforts in search of food and clean water to ensure their family’s survival. Some women have even resorted to prostitution to provide for their children and families.
Current Status of Women in Iraq
The movement for women in Iraw has greatly suffered due to sanctions and anti-women legislation imposed by Hussein’s regime since the mid-90s. Under Islamic law, the punishment for a women who commits adultery is death. But women in Iraq are also being murdered for fighting with their husbands, having a relationship with a man outside marriage, and for being raped, because this brings shame on the family. Women have been stoned to death in public, disabled, disfigured and/or kidnapped. Women have even been kept hostage in their own homes.
According to the Iraq Foundation Web site “The rights of women in Iraq are going down the drain, along with everything else … In 1998, Saddam ordered all women secretaries working in government agencies be dismissed. Now there are new laws barring women from work altogether.”

From: Charliedog43@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 1:09:57 PM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 11:47:26 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

I believe that most of these statements are simply lies. Iraq is in total
chaos. What seemed like a good decision to let the Iraqi army slip away when we
invaded has come back to haunt us. Bush has not waged war competently and my
greatest fear is not his foreign policy but, his destruction of democracy in
this country. As for Kerry, I wish we had a better choice and I anticipate
that not only will Kerry continue the war but, will have to escalate it rather
than leave a new rogue government in power. But, then maybe the baathists and
Kerry can work out a deal and turn Iraq over to the remnants of Saddam
Hussein’s regime. Not good for the Kurds who have supported us or the Shi’ites who
were suppressed by Hussein. The Bush regime is a money grab for his family and
pals. Where do you think the cash causing our multi trillion dollar debt is
going?

Howard

In a message dated 10/31/04 11:18:25 AM, bchloej@hotmail.com writes:

Subject: why wasn’t this in the newspapers?

* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations

* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.

* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of
the weapons stored there so education can occur.

* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be
off-loaded from ships faster.

* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export
of oil in August.

* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water
for the first time ever in Iraq.

* The country now receives 2 times the electrical
power it did before the war.

* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed,
compared to 35% before the war.

* Elections are taking place in every major city,
and city councils are in place.

* Sewer and water lines are installed in every
major city.

* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.

* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are
securing the country.

* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the
streets side by side with US soldiers.

* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the
first time ever.

* Students are taught field sanitation and
hand washing techniques to prevent the spread
of germs.

* An interim constitution has been signed.

* Girls are allowed to attend school.

* Textbooks that don’t mention Saddam are in
the schools for the first time in 30 years.

Ray Reynolds,
SFC Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Second Treatment Complete Success!!!
Date: October 31, 2004 at 11:33:13 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Hi Howard,

1) At how many hours from your start point of taking ibogaine would you say
it was fully effective? Around the 3 hour I felt completely anesthetized- no withdrawal, just a bit of yawning.

2) How would you describe “fully effective?” I have never been able to get off opiates this easily. Even though I feel a bit weak and sleepless, I am 100 times better than I would be cold-turkeying. I have a bit of residual withdrawal, but only 10-15% of what I would have had otherwise.

3) Did you visualize?Yes. It came in peaks and valleys, and would usually begin about 30 minutes after my ingestions, and last for 2-3 hours.

4) If so what did you see? This time was a bit darker than last. I still saw strange faces, but also some gruesome scenes- I saw a guy getting decapitated. As his head was severed, his soul ‘flew’ out of his neck and up to the sky. I also saw a few monsters, and relived/reflected on a few melancholy events from my life.

5) How are you feeling today? Tired, a bit achey, and grumpy. I just took a trazodone, and seem to be feeling a bit better. The insomnia is getting to me, though.

6) Who determined which medications you would take? My doctor gave me trazodone, clonidine, arthrotec, loperamide and gravol. I decided to get a script for Wellbutrin, as it has helped before. However, it seems to perpetuate and inflame the symptoms, so I have discontinued it.

Howard, feel free to use any part of my story for your website. And muchas gracias for bringing this miracle to the modern world.

Regards, Julie

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 11:29:28 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Girls are allowed to attend school.

It’s always been that way, there are plenty of educated Iraki women.

My mother has been to the university of Bagdad in the early 50′.

She study to become a lawyer. Her sisters went to school too in the 40′.

This has nothing to do with the Americans occupation.

From: “m.finman” <mafinman@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: October 31, 2004 at 11:17:59 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Faith,
Why in this country of so called opportunity and wealth and prospects, are there so many people who “can’t take up for themselves? ” I’ll bet you anything that when the whites are the minority they will definitley come up with another word to describe that status. Just the word connotates lack of empowerment. If politicians want to help those who can’t stand up for themselves maybe they can come up with something that alters the mindset ,that implements the behavior, that requires so many of these abortions. Change the status quo. Stop generational habits of how we treat or limit a persons positive abilities. Get rid of the victim mentality that most have. I’ve seen it consume every aspect of every moment in the life of some. I’ve seen it dictate direction and choices over and over. Fear based, victim mentality. Wounds Wound and more wounds. Look to your son to see what and where his wounds came from. That is the base for addiction and dysfunctional behavior. Being brainwashed and cult material is another one.
Everyone wants to blame everyone else for the problems in their camp. As a participant you are also doing the tango.
With all due respect,
Martee
—– Original Message —– From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas

Carla,

Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Julie

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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Ibogaine] Why wasn’t this is the news?
Date: October 31, 2004 at 11:15:23 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Subject: why wasn’t this in the newspapers?

* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations

* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.

* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of
the weapons stored there so education can occur.

* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be
off-loaded from ships faster.

* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export
of oil in August.

* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water
for the first time ever in Iraq.

* The country now receives 2 times the electrical
power it did before the war.

* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed,
compared to 35% before the war.

* Elections are taking place in every major city,
and city councils are in place.

* Sewer and water lines are installed in every
major city.

* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.

* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are
securing the country.

* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the
streets side by side with US soldiers.

* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the
first time ever.

* Students are taught field sanitation and
hand washing techniques to prevent the spread
of germs.

* An interim constitution has been signed.

* Girls are allowed to attend school.

* Textbooks that don’t mention Saddam are in
the schools for the first time in 30 years.

Ray Reynolds,
SFC Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:00:31 -0800 (PST)

Ya know,

It seems very hypocritical to me to condemn one form
of murder yet condone another, when in fact they are
somewhat similar.

Anyone who would vote for a man who orchestrated a
whole war in order to secure profits and oil for
himself and the old boys club, is an idiot, in my
humble opinion.

Julie

— Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I a can tell you why.
> Because George Bush is strong and has high morals
> and ethics, and he won’t
> sink to the level to “talk purdy” and say whatever
> someone wants to hear to
> get a vote. You can tell a person’s level of moral
> development, and worth,
> by how they take up for those who can’t take up for
> themselves, and how they
> will do the right things for people even though
> those people are so ignorant
> they can’t see it. Anyone who will vote for
> partial-birth abortion is a
> terriorist. The safest place for a human on earth
> should be it’s Maother’s
> womb.
> >From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
> >Subject: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the
> fascist capitalist dictator
> >from Texas
> >Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:30:09 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Carla,
> >
> >I agree. We Canadians are avidly following the
> >election, because we also fear another four years
> with
> >that inbred, uncultured redneck. Personally, I
> can’t
> >imagine why any intelligent person would cast a
> vote
> >for that wanker(Bush). There will be street
> parties
> >in Toronto if Kerry takes the election.
> >
> >George Bush is a LIAR, a MANIPULATOR, and a
> complete
> >and utter sham. He and Cheney need to stick to the
> >skin bars, and leave the decision making to a more
> >competent individual. Kerry may not be perfect,
> but
> >at least his main concern isn’t enriching his fat
> cat
> >prick friends.
> >
> >Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?
> >
> >Julie
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: HSLotsof@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Second Treatment Complete Success!!!
Date: October 31, 2004 at 11:15:37 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Dear Julie,

Some questions if I may?

1) At how many hours from your start point of taking ibogaine would you say
it was fully effective?

2) How would you describe “fully effective?”

3) Did you visualize?

4) If so what did you see?

5) How are you feeling today?

6) Who determined which medications you would take? (names not required –
only status, doctor, provider, pharmacist, prior prescriptions)

Thanks

Howard

In a message dated 10/29/04 7:56:03 PM, ms_iboga@yahoo.com writes:

Oh my God,

I can’t believe it- I have been opiate free since
Tuesday, 10pm. I had to reschedule my treatment for
Wednesday, 12pm, at which time I ingested 350ml of
Ibogaine HCL, and 175ml every hour or so thereafter,
to 1000mg, total. The music therapy aspect was SO
rewarding- it calmed me throughout the whole
treatment, and reduced the freakier parts into mere
afterthoughts.

Guys/gals, I can’t believe the difference between my
two treatments. Other than lethargy, low energy, and
a few uncomfortable moments(hot/cold flashes,
piloerection, periodic insomnia, aches), the last two
days have been a breeze. I would say the Ibo
treatment reduced my symptoms by 85-90%. I have been
able to grab naps for 2-4 hours in duration, and last
night I was able to sleep for approximately 6 hours!
On the second day after ceasing my opiate intake!

Hot baths and meds really helped too- trazadone and
clonidine together seemed to really tranquilize and
sedate my body, mind and soul, especially throughout
the tougher parts.

I was able to eat a Swiss Chalet quarter chicken
dinner yesterday, and have started on a brief, short
term regiment of light antidepressants(Wellbutrin
100mg/sr) which have worked miracles with my energy
levels. Listening to music is amazing- I have been
digging Air, Talvin Singh, the Clash, and of course,
Radiohead. Return to Brixton is especially blowing my
mind!

Howard, thanks for bringing this miracle to the
masses; Patrick, thanks for making this discussion
list possible; And to everyong else: thanks for the
support, and for just being YOU.

love Julie

From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: October 31, 2004 at 11:00:31 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Ya know,

It seems very hypocritical to me to condemn one form
of murder yet condone another, when in fact they are
somewhat similar.

Anyone who would vote for a man who orchestrated a
whole war in order to secure profits and oil for
himself and the old boys club, is an idiot, in my
humble opinion.

Julie

— Faith Bowling <bchloej@hotmail.com> wrote:

I a can tell you why.
Because George Bush is strong and has high morals
and ethics, and he won’t
sink to the level to “talk purdy” and say whatever
someone wants to hear to
get a vote. You can tell a person’s level of moral
development, and worth,
by how they take up for those who can’t take up for
themselves, and how they
will do the right things for people even though
those people are so ignorant
they can’t see it. Anyone who will vote for
partial-birth abortion is a
terriorist. The safest place for a human on earth
should be it’s Maother’s
womb.
From: Ms Iboga <ms_iboga@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the
fascist capitalist dictator
from Texas
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:30:09 -0800 (PST)

Carla,

I agree. We Canadians are avidly following the
election, because we also fear another four years
with
that inbred, uncultured redneck. Personally, I
can’t
imagine why any intelligent person would cast a
vote
for that wanker(Bush). There will be street
parties
in Toronto if Kerry takes the election.

George Bush is a LIAR, a MANIPULATOR, and a
complete
and utter sham. He and Cheney need to stick to the
skin bars, and leave the decision making to a more
competent individual. Kerry may not be perfect,
but
at least his main concern isn’t enriching his fat
cat
prick friends.

Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Julie

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From: “Sara Glatt” <sara119@xs4all.nl>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: October 31, 2004 at 10:38:10 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Mr. Bush is try his radioactive weapon, were else can he try them? And on
who? he had to create an enemy to be able to check out the affectivity of
His weapons and his army, and to invest more money into defense and new war
technologies.
You see, mr. Izgy it is an huge industry and they do need the petrol to fly
f-16 and drive those war machines they don’t happened to work on solar
energy.

Bush wants to show the rest of the world his military power, and so he did,
but
Shame on what and who’s account. His own soldiers are suffering from the
same radioactive weapon they are using against their “enemies”.
The whole region is going to die of cancer sooner or later and all the
people who went to Irak will suffer for it too.
This is not a war with sticks this is a war which leaves traces years after
it will be finished.
Mr. bush is suffering from brain damage so he doesn’t even understand
himself, what the hell he is doing in Irak.
If you need to get one man why would you need to have so many soldiers.
For sure the Israelis could trace his phone calls to his wife who is in
Lebanon. That wasn’t too difficult for them to do. They don’t need an army
For that.they don’t need an army to find weapon for mass distraction
Because there was no one who could work this kind of weapon in Irak, without
the
American knowledge who sold it to Sadam in the first place.
Just as well as the pilots terrorist who learn how to fly into the w.t.c
Learn that in the US. how come they didn’t learn to land. what kind of
flying lessons they got?
selling a weapon of mass distraction to a dictator but without instruction
how to use it, and then regret of selling it to him, and go bankruptcy to
get that back.

—–Oorspronkelijk bericht—–
Van: FakePlacebo [mailto:fakeplacebo@hotmail.com]
Verzonden: zondag 31 oktober 2004 15:36
Aan: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Onderwerp: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]

Some Facts about USA:
%3 of worlds population lives in USA but consuming %40 of world wealth,
producing %25 of polutions. There is no mass distraction of weapons in Irak.
Do you think Marins are fighting for USA’s safety? Do you realy believe
this. Is there anyone who can tell me what’s Mr. Bush doing in Irak.
Best Regards
FakePlacebo

—– Original Message —–
From: “D H” <dave@phantom.com>
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]

If you consider George Bush a decent human being… maybe you ought to
take a serious look at his track record.

Do you by chance watch FOX News or something?

On Saturday, October 30, 2004, at 02:14 PM, Faith Bowling wrote:

Our creator, and the decent people in the US are getting very fed up
of the attacks against the decent. The weakest, most despicible
beings there are are those who feel so safe attacking the good,
decent people who will stand for the rights of the people who are too
tiny to vote, those that believe that every human freedom of choice to
live or die, and has the moxie to fight against terriorism, when it’s
so unpopular. No, George Bush speech comes from the heart, and he
gets emotional. John Kerry really doesn’t care, sounds like it’s
memorized. You had to hear him say that he would use OUR tax money to
give to some female “being” to murder another human. I would rather
not work, than to let any of my money go for this terriorist act, tha
John Kerry supports.

From: D H <dave@phantom.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Subject: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:22:53 -1000

He’s been America’s most unorthodox political commentator for more
than 30 years. But for Dr Hunter S Thompson the Bush presidency is
evil beyond belief – and judgement is nigh

28 October 2004

The genetically vicious nature of presidential campaigns in America
is too obvious to argue with, but some people call it fun, and I am
one of them. Election day – especially when it’s a presidential
election – is always a wild and terrifying time for politics junkies,
and I am one of those, too. We look forward to major election days
like sex addicts look forward to orgies. We are slaves to them.

Which is not a bad thing, all in all, for the winners. They are not
the ones who bitch and whine about slavery when the votes are finally
counted and the losers are forced to get down on their knees. No. The
slaves who emerge victorious from these drastic public decisions go
crazy with joy and plunge each other into deep tubs of chilled
Cristal champagne with naked strangers who want to be close to a
winner.

That is how it works in the victory business. You see it every time.
The weak suck up to the strong, for fear of losing their jobs and
money and all the fickle power they wielded only 24 hours ago. It is
like suddenly losing your wife and your home in a vagrant poker game,
then having to go on the road with whoremongers and beg for your
dinner in public. Nobody wants to hire a loser. Right? They stink of
doom and defeat.

“What is that horrible smell in the office, Tex? It’s making me sick.”

“That is the smell of a loser, senator. He came in to apply for a
job, but we tossed him out immediately. Sgt Sloat took him down to
the parking lot and taught him a lesson he will never forget.”

“Good work, Tex. And how are you coming with my new enemies list? I
want them all locked up. They are scum.”

“We will punish them brutally. They are terrorist sympathisers, and
most of them voted against you. I hate those bastards.”

“Thank you, Sloat. You are a faithful servant. Come over here and
kneel down. I want to reward you.”

That is the nature of high-risk politics. Veni, vidi, vici,
especially among Republicans. It’s like the ancient Bedouin saying:
“As the camel falls to its knees, more knives are drawn.”

Presidential politics is a vicious business, even for rich white men,
and anybody who gets into it should be prepared to grapple with the
meanest of the mean. The White House has never been seized by timid
warriors. There are no rules, and the roadside is littered with
wreckage. That is why they call it the passing lane. Just ask any
candidate who ever ran against George Bush – Al Gore, Ann Richards,
John McCain – all of them ambushed and vanquished by lies and dirty
tricks. And all of them still whining about it.

That is why George W Bush is President of the United States, and Al
Gore is not. Bush simply wanted it more, and he was willing to
demolish anything that got in his way, including the US Supreme
Court. It is not by accident that the Bush White House (read: Dick
Cheney & Halliburton Inc) controls all three branches of our federal
government today. They are powerful thugs who would far rather die
than lose the election in November.

somehow “trickle down” to the poor, who would rather eat scraps off
the Bush family plates than eat nothing at all. Republicans have
never approved of democracy, and they never will. It goes back to
pre-industrial America, when only white male property owners could
vote.

Things haven’t changed much where George W Bush comes from. Houston
is a cruel, crazy town on a filthy river in East Texas with no zoning
laws and a culture of sex, money and violence. It’s a shabby,
sprawling metropolis ruled by brazen women, crooked cops and
super-rich pansexual cowboys who live by the code of the West – which
can mean just about anything you need it to mean, in a pinch.

Houston is also the unnatural home of two out of the last three
presidents of the United States of America, for good or ill. The
other one was a handsome, sex-crazed boy from next-door Arkansas,
which has no laws against any deviant practice not specifically
forbidden in the New Testament, including anal incest and public
cunnilingus with farm animals.

Back in 1948, during his first race for the US Senate, Lyndon Johnson
was running about 10 points behind, with only nine days to go. He was
desperate. And it was just before noon on a Monday, they say, when he
called his equally depressed campaign manager and told him to call a
press conference for just before lunch on a slow news day and accuse
his high-riding opponent, a pig farmer, of having routine carnal
knowledge of his sows, despite the pleas of his wife and children.

His campaign manager was shocked. “We can’t say that, Lyndon,” he
supposedly said. “You know that it isn’t true.”

“Of course it’s not!” Johnson barked. “But let’s make the bastard
deny it!”

Johnson – a Democrat, like Bill Clinton – won that election by fewer
than 100 votes, and after that he was home free. He went on to rule
Texas and the US Senate for 20 years and to be the most powerful vice
president in the history of the United States. Until now.

Armageddon came early for George Bush this year, and he was not ready
for it. His long-awaited showdowns with John Kerry turned into a
series of embarrassments that broke his nerve and demoralised his
closest campaign advisers. They knew he would never recover, no
matter how many votes they could steal for him in Florida, where the
presidential debates were closely watched and widely celebrated by
millions of Kerry supporters who suddenly had reason to feel like
winners.

Kerry came into October as a five-point underdog with almost no
chance of winning three out of three rigged confrontations with a
treacherous little freak like George Bush. But the debates are over
now, and the victor was John Kerry every time. He steamrollered Bush
and left him for roadkill.

Did you see Bush on TV, trying to debate? Jesus, he talked like a
donkey with no brains at all. The tide turned early, in Coral Gables,
when Bush went belly up less than halfway through his first bout with
Kerry, who hammered poor George into jelly. It was pitiful… I
almost felt sorry for him, until I heard someone call him “Mister
President”, and then I felt ashamed.

Karl Rove, the President’s political wizard, felt even worse. There
is angst in the heart of Texas today, and panic in the bowels of the
White House. Rove has a nasty little problem, and its name is George
Bush. The president failed miserably from the instant he got onstage
with John Kerry. He looked weak and dumb. Kerry beat him like a gong
in Coral Gables, then again in St Louis and Tempe. That is Rove’s
problem. His candidate is a weak-minded frat boy who cracks under
pressure in front of 60 million voters.

Bush signed his own death warrant in the opening round, when he
finally had to speak without his teleprompter. It was a Cinderella
story brought up to date in Florida that night – except this time,
the false prince turned back into a frog.

Immediately after the first debate ended, I called Muhammad Ali at
his home in Michigan, but whoever answered said the champ was
laughing so hard that he couldn’t come to the phone. “The debate
really cracked him up,” he chuckled. “The champ loves a good
ass-whuppin’. He says Bush looked so scared to fight, he finally just
quit and laid down.”

This year’s first presidential debate was such a disaster for George
Bush that his handlers had to be crazy to let him get in the ring
with John Kerry again. Yet Karl Rove let it happen, and we can only
wonder why. But there is no doubt that the president has lost his
nerve, and his career in the White House is finished. No mas.

Indeed. The numbers are weird today, and so is this dangerous
election. The time has come to rumble, to inject a bit of fun into
politics. That’s exactly what the debates did. John Kerry looked like
a winner, and it energised his troops. Voting for Kerry is starting
to look like serious fun for everyone except poor George, who now
looks like a loser. That is fatal in a presidential election.

I look at elections with the cool and dispassionate gaze of a
professional gambler, especially when I’m betting real money on the
outcome. Contrary to most conventional wisdom, I see Kerry with five
points as a recommended risk. Kerry will win this election, if it
happens, by a bigger margin than Bush finally gouged out of Florida
in 2000. That was about 46 per cent, plus five points for owning the
US Supreme Court – which seemed to equal 51 per cent. Nobody really
believed that, but George W Bush moved into the White House anyway.

It was the most brutal seizure of power since Hitler burned the
Reichstag in 1933 and declared himself the new boss of Germany. Karl
Rove is no stranger to Nazi strategy, if only because it worked for a
while, and it was sure fun for Hitler. But not for long. He ran out
of oil, the whole world hated him, and he liked to gobble pure
crystal biphetamine and stay awake for eight days in a row with his
maps and bombers and his dope-addled general staff.

They all loved the whiff. It is the perfect drug for war, as long as
you are winning, and Hitler thought he was king of the hill forever.
He had created a new master race, and every one of them worshipped
him. They were fanatics. That was 66 years ago, and things are not
much different today. We still love war.

George Bush certainly does. In four short years he has turned our
country from a prosperous nation at peace into a desperately indebted
nation at war. But so what? He is the President of the United States,
and you’re not. Love it or leave it.

BULLETIN: KERRY WINS GONZO ENDORSEMENT; DR THOMPSON JOINS DEMOCRAT IN
CALLING BUSH “THE SYPHILIS PRESIDENT”.

“Four more years of George Bush will be like four more years of
syphilis,” the famed author said yesterday at a hastily called press
conference near his home in Woody Creek, Colorado.

“Only a fool or a sucker would vote for a dangerous loser like Bush.
He hates everything we stand for, and he knows we will vote against
him in November.” Thompson, well known for the eerie accuracy of his
political instincts, went on to denounce Ralph Nader as “a worthless
Judas goat with no moral compass.”

“I endorsed John Kerry a long time ago,” he said, “and I will do
everything in my power, short of roaming the streets with a meat
hammer, to help him be the next president of the United States.”

Which is true. I said all those things, and I will say them again. Of
course I will vote for John Kerry. I have known him for 30 years as a
good man with a brave heart – which is more than even the President’s
friends will tell you about George W Bush, who is also an old
acquaintance from the white-knuckle days of yesteryear. He is hated
all over the world, including large parts of Texas, and he is taking
us all down with him. Bush is a natural-born loser with a filthy-rich
daddy who pimped his son out to rich oil-mongers. He hates music,
football and sex, and he is no fun at all.

I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000, but I won’t make that mistake again.
The joke is over for Nader. He was funny once, but now he belongs to
the dead. Nader is a fool, as is anybody who votes for him in
November – with the obvious exception of professional Republicans who
have paid big money to turn him into a world-famous Judas goat. Nader
is so desperate that he’s paying homeless people to gather signatures
to get him on the ballot. In Pennsylvania, the petitions he submitted
contained tens of thousands of phoney signatures, including Fred
Flintstone, Mickey Mouse and John Kerry. A judge dumped Ralph from
the ballot there, calling it “the most deceitful and fraudulent
exercise ever perpetrated upon this court”.

But they will keep his name on the ballot in the long-suffering
Hurricane State, which is ruled by the President’s younger brother,
Jeb, who also wants to be the next president of the United States. In
2000, when they sent Jim Baker to Florida, I knew it was all over. In
that election, 97,488 people voted for Nader in Florida, and Gore
lost the state by 537 votes. You don’t have to be from Texas to
understand the moral of that story. It’s like being out-coached in
the Super Bowl. Only losers play fair, and all winners have blood on
their hands.

Back in June, when John Kerry was beginning to feel like a winner, we
had a quick rendezvous on a rain-soaked runway in Aspen, Colorado,
where he was scheduled to meet a harem of wealthy campaign
contributors. I told him that Bush’s vicious goons in the White House
are perfectly capable of assassinating Nader and blaming it on him.
His staff laughed, but the Secret Service men didn’t. Kerry suggested
I might make a good running mate, and we reminisced about trying to
end the Vietnam War in 1972.

That was the year I first met him, at a riot on that elegant little
street in front of the White House. He was yelling into a bullhorn
and I was trying to throw a dead rat over a black-spike fence and on
to the President’s lawn. We were angry and righteous in those days,
and there were millions of us. We kicked two chief executives out
because they were stupid warmongers. We conquered Lyndon Johnson and
we stomped on Richard Nixon – which wise people said was impossible,
but so what? It was fun. We were warriors then, and our tribe was
strong like a river. That river is still running. All we have to do
is get out and vote, while it’s still legal, and we will wash those
crooked warmongers out of the White House.

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From: “Faith Bowling” <bchloej@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Ibogaine] Carla, re: George Bush, the fascist capitalist dictator from Texas
Date: October 31, 2004 at 9:53:19 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Carla,

Faith, have you seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

Julie

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From: Schmoolyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] Schmoolyboy, re:antidepressants
Date: October 31, 2004 at 9:46:05 AM EST
To: ibogaine@mindvox.com
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com

Zoloft is easy to get . Start at 25 mgs every Am for 1 week . Then on day #8 go to 50 mgs. Most people need 75-100mgs per day. Increases are made every 5 -7 days till stable.

Also ask for 2.5 mgs. Zyprexa. Take anywhere from 2.5 -7.5 mgs i hour prior to sleep or for a panic attack when needed. Start at the lowest dose as it can make you very lethargic. Check w/ your doc if this med is okay for you to take. You can use it as needed and it is not addictive. At high dosages it it a antipsychotic but don’t let this sway you. It will get you throufg the post acute benzo hell.

hang in there. it passes with time and you will feel well again.

From: “FakePlacebo” <fakeplacebo@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ibogaine] H.S.Thompson [OT]
Date: October 31, 2004 at 9:36:14 AM EST
To: <ibogaine@mindvox.com>
Reply-To: ibogaine@mindvox.com